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(Huffington Post)   So like......check it bro......some study found that medical weed shops do NOT lead to an increase in crime, yo. Woah. I got it dude...hear me out...ok, so we like build weed shops wherever there is war. Boom. No war   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 21
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2012-06-12 11:05:50 AM
4 votes:
Rigorous scientific studies have been disproving the link between marijuana and all manner of negative behaviors for decades and it hasn't changed the reaction to its use by the authorities one jot. The reason we crack down on marijuana isn't because it's a nuisance; it's because lots of people make lots of money from doing so.
2012-06-12 11:31:14 AM
3 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Heron: Rigorous scientific studies have been disproving the link between marijuana and all manner of negative behaviors for decades and it hasn't changed the reaction to its use by the authorities one jot. The reason we crack down on marijuana isn't because it's a nuisance; it's because lots of people make lots of money from doing so.

big tobacco could also make lots of money from it, so why isn't big tobacco? make cannibus 'miller in a can', and tobacco 'milller in a glass bottle' like that old class division advertisment. more money, more revenue streams from cannibus uses, can charge more for tobacco itself as a luxury item, bam, more profit.


/i think users are losers
//but there's worse out there



The tobacco companies don't want to see legal weed because it's really easy to grow enough behind your garage for personal use. They can't get a cut if they aren't part of distribution.

Big brewers and distillers don't want to see legal weed because drunk and high are essentially interchangeable types of intoxication, and it's in their best interests to limit recreational drugs that could be alternatives to alcohol.

Cotton growers don't want to see legal weed because legalizing marijuana means hemp can proliferate, which can make cheap and durable clothing at a fraction of the price of cotton.

There is a lot of money at stake, and a lot of people interested in preserving the status quo. Only if/when governments get desperate enough for additional tax revenue will marijuana sales be legalized.
2012-06-12 11:25:36 AM
3 votes:
i46.tinypic.com

I've loved Jon Stewart's comparison on the Daily Show the past few days. Just shows how ridiculously out of wack out priorities have gotten. For those who didn't see the show. It's a $200 fine for serving a 22 ounce coke, while a $100 fine for being caught with an ounce of weed in NY.

We've become convinced that policing half the issues while gracefully pushing the others off to the side like they don't matter will save us from our own mistakes.
2012-06-12 09:40:54 AM
3 votes:
Subby, I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. Or gimme the phone# for your dealer. Whichever.
2012-06-12 04:17:03 PM
2 votes:

Khell: The problem I have with the "Medicinal Marijuana" angle is the hypocrisy. I realize that they can't out and out legalize it because of the feds. But when every stoner can go get a "prescription" because their "hair hurts", I think it actually gives a black eye to the real medical benefits (my gramps, who thought very poorly of marijuana smokers, benefited before he died of tobacco related stomach cancer...).


FWIW, that's not really "hypocrisy." No one's actually contradicting themselves by advocating for medical marijuana. They're just not being entirely honest about the intentions, but they're doing so because, as was previously mentioned, the only way to get people like your grandpa to understand that marijuana isn't some sort of devil plant that's going to make white women go crazy and run away with jazz musicians is to give them some sort of plausible dependability and actually demonstrate that the world's not going to end if people smoke weed.

It's silly that we even have to do things like this, but we do, because people really, really care when other people do things that they wouldn't do themselves.
2012-06-12 01:50:55 PM
2 votes:
Subby,


Your a farking moron who has no real understanding of the difference between medical cannabis and marijuana. Please refrain from speaking in public, as what you typed as a headline was about as funny the Sandusky trial. How about this, you go DIAF, and leave medical cannabis to the professionals.


Believe it or not, not all people who use cannabis say "dude", "whoa", "man", or even have long hair. Quit being a piece of shiat that continues to stay the stereotypes in peoples minds instead of perpetuating the the stoner-lifestyle.
2012-06-12 10:46:03 AM
2 votes:
I guess it depends on the management or the locale... We had one for a while until the Feds mashed their dinner. The strip mall it was in was marginal already. It had a CVS which was safe enough and a usual assortment of stores...Papa John's, Hollywood Video, BofA. Two of the stores were dollar stores. So not upscale by any means.

While the dispensary was there I would compare the folks shambling about as similar to a seedy Liquor Store. Cars got broken into, store windows were occasionally broken. Correlation vs causation, who knows, I live in a town full of assholes and this was probably just a convergence point. It shifted my opinion of dispensaries quite a bit though.
2012-06-12 09:48:24 AM
2 votes:
Sounds like a winning plan. We should also have them in places where people who want wars live as well.
2012-06-12 02:10:54 PM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: Alphakronik: Subby,


Your a farking moron who has no real understanding of the difference between medical cannabis and marijuana. Please refrain from speaking in public, as what you typed as a headline was about as funny the Sandusky trial. How about this, you go DIAF, and leave medical cannabis to the professionals.


Believe it or not, not all people who use cannabis say "dude", "whoa", "man", or even have long hair. Quit being a piece of shiat that continues to stay the stereotypes in peoples minds instead of perpetuating the the stoner-lifestyle.

Calm down, Bevis. You're ruining it.


Ruining it? fark that. It's people that continue to proliferate the stereotypes that are ruining it. Maybe if everyone who inhales came out of the closet as a active, and productive member of society instead of a lazy, good for nothing stoner we would stop having our friends and family arrested for simple possession.
2012-06-12 01:14:37 PM
1 votes:

AllUpInYa: I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.


You don't have to be a "stoner" to support the legalization of marijuana.

That said the notion that you could go from complete prohibition to complete legalization on something as taboo as drugs is absurd. You have to do thinks like this incrementally to demonstrate to people things that they think are false - like the study found in TFA.
2012-06-12 12:55:18 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
so basically the medical part of medical marijuana is a joke, and is intended to be a joke, with only lip service to public health. mostly, it's just about folks wanting to get high on something the same way the same folks would get a buzz from alcohol or get a feeling of 'urge sated' from tobacco?


Yes, the "medical" part is one of the biggest farces going. Stoners rallied behind the "think of the sick people" slogans while doing the nudge-nudge/wink-wink - one of the most disingenuous campaigns run - and that's no small feat.

I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.
2012-06-12 11:54:17 AM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: Gunderson: [www.drugwarfacts.org image 620x460]

So why is marijuana illegal and tobacco/alcohol legal again?

Oh, I forgot, Pot got popular back when the youth told the government to go fark itself.

/Now the younger generation is too busy voting for the fat chick on American Idol

You missed it by about 40 years.

Pot/Weed/Hemp has been illegal since the 1920s, when laws were passed banning the possession without a permit, and possession required to get a permit. It was backed partly by growers of cotton and makers of newspulp as hemp threatened those industries with a competing product.

The whole "War on drugs" thing is a new spin on the same old laws.


Still missing a lot of the story. Was back partly by cotton growers, yes, but mostly by LA Sheriffs wanting an excuse to close down black jazz clubs and by midwestern and western congressmen wanting an excuse to deport hispanics.

Of course, nowhere in any of that is there any mention of health side-effects being a reason, and in fact the AMA was blocked from testifying in the hearings leading up to the bans.

/but I've been told that ignorant people voting for ignorant policies has no effect on me, so it must be something else...
2012-06-12 11:48:24 AM
1 votes:

Gunderson: So why is marijuana illegal and tobacco/alcohol legal again?

Oh, I forgot, Pot got popular back when the youth told the government to go fark itself.

/Now the younger generation is too busy voting for the fat chick on American Idol


No, it goes back way farther than that. For a long time, all newspapers in the US were printed on hemp paper. Newspaper magnate William Randolph Hearst bought huge tracks of timberland in the West, with a mind to corner the market with wood-based newsprint. But to do that, he had to rid himself of competition from the cheaper (and less polluting) hemp newsprint. So he paid off the right people and the government began a public "education" campaign to tell people how dangerous marijuana is. The movie Reefer Madness was actually produced for and by the government. One of the scare tactics was that pot was very popular with the Colored and it drove them to want to rape white women and commit other heinous crimes. Before long an outraged public demanded action and pot was outlawed. Since that time, the alcohol industry has vehemently opposed the legalization or decriminalization of pot.
2012-06-12 11:44:42 AM
1 votes:
Jubeebee: Big brewers and distillers don't want to see legal weed because drunk and high are essentially interchangeable types of intoxication,

what? nope.
2012-06-12 11:43:13 AM
1 votes:
I was clicking around on youtube last night and found an interesting legalize weed video.

It was a bit of conspiracy, but it brought up a great point. something like:

It is not the governments job to protect your from alcohol, or cigarettes, or guns, or people with guns, or driving too fast without a seatbelt, it is not the governments job to protect you from yourself. They generally do not care what you do to yourself, however they chose to make marijuana illegal. Do you wonder why?

Because of all the uses of hemp. And the threat it posed to so many American industries.

It went on about rope and clothing and a fuel for cars. It was interesting.

We've talked about this 1000 times on here though so this is all pretty obvious propaganda to us now...but people still buy the lies.
2012-06-12 11:41:00 AM
1 votes:

Gunderson: [www.drugwarfacts.org image 620x460]

So why is marijuana illegal and tobacco/alcohol legal again?

Oh, I forgot, Pot got popular back when the youth told the government to go fark itself.

/Now the younger generation is too busy voting for the fat chick on American Idol


You missed it by about 40 years.

Pot/Weed/Hemp has been illegal since the 1920s, when laws were passed banning the possession without a permit, and possession required to get a permit. It was backed partly by growers of cotton and makers of newspulp as hemp threatened those industries with a competing product.

The whole "War on drugs" thing is a new spin on the same old laws.
2012-06-12 11:39:51 AM
1 votes:

Jubeebee: Big brewers and distillers don't want to see legal weed because drunk and high are essentially interchangeable types of intoxication, and it's in their best interests to limit recreational drugs that could be alternatives to alcohol.


Except they're not, at all. The chemistry, physiology and degree and type of impairment are drastically different.
2012-06-12 11:36:24 AM
1 votes:

bhcompy: Heron: Rigorous scientific studies have been disproving the link between marijuana and all manner of negative behaviors for decades and it hasn't changed the reaction to its use by the authorities one jot. The reason we crack down on marijuana isn't because it's a nuisance; it's because lots of people make lots of money from doing so.

So let's accept your hypothesis, does this mean that Mexican drug cartels don't exist?


So we should continue to criminalize a perfectly harmless plant here because of what some terrorists are doing in Mexico? That's sound logic!
2012-06-12 11:23:47 AM
1 votes:
www.drugwarfacts.org

So why is marijuana illegal and tobacco/alcohol legal again?

Oh, I forgot, Pot got popular back when the youth told the government to go fark itself.

/Now the younger generation is too busy voting for the fat chick on American Idol
2012-06-12 11:21:08 AM
1 votes:

One Bad Apple: Let the canabis gentrification commence.

Legal *snerk* medical weed won't increase crime where the dispensary itself is located but as it drives the illegal weed dealers out of business crime in those neighborhoods will increase.

So if you ever buy "medical" marijuana you are no better than the CIA that invented crack and dumped it into the inner city


Anyone who compares crack to marijuana has no idea what they are talking about. As someone who lived in Detroit for 50 years (still work there...sigh) I can tell you that what crack does to people is worse than anything you can imagine. It RUINS people.

Weed? Most I have seen is that it makes people lazy and might give them breathing problems. As far as I am concerned if I found the genie in the lamp, I would wish alcohol out of existance and let marijuana be legal. I know far too many people whose lives have been ruined by booze.
2012-06-12 11:05:03 AM
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Are we including the L.A. County Sheriff data in this study?


Obviously not. SF is Disneyland compared to the shiat the goes on at LA dispensaries.
 
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