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(Huffington Post)   So like......check it bro......some study found that medical weed shops do NOT lead to an increase in crime, yo. Woah. I got it dude...hear me out...ok, so we like build weed shops wherever there is war. Boom. No war   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 96
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2012-06-12 12:48:47 PM
Makes sense to me.

A magazine publisher, Wayne Green, said to end the Vietnam War all we had to do was give all the Vietnamese a TV and provide some mindless programming and they would be too distracted to fight.

Both these ideas are probably correct.
 
2012-06-12 12:55:18 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu:
so basically the medical part of medical marijuana is a joke, and is intended to be a joke, with only lip service to public health. mostly, it's just about folks wanting to get high on something the same way the same folks would get a buzz from alcohol or get a feeling of 'urge sated' from tobacco?


Yes, the "medical" part is one of the biggest farces going. Stoners rallied behind the "think of the sick people" slogans while doing the nudge-nudge/wink-wink - one of the most disingenuous campaigns run - and that's no small feat.

I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.
 
2012-06-12 01:05:27 PM

bhcompy: So let's accept your hypothesis, does this mean that Mexican drug cartels don't exist?


The drug cartels only exist because drugs are illegal. That said 90% of the drug trade is pot. Legalize pot and 90% of the drug trade disappears and with it 90% of the costs of enforcement.
 
2012-06-12 01:07:03 PM
The War On Drugs(tm) leads to an increase in crime.

Taking some of the supply of one drug out of the War is only going to reduce it.

/ where is OBVIOUS tag?
 
2012-06-12 01:12:16 PM

AllUpInYa: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
so basically the medical part of medical marijuana is a joke, and is intended to be a joke, with only lip service to public health. mostly, it's just about folks wanting to get high on something the same way the same folks would get a buzz from alcohol or get a feeling of 'urge sated' from tobacco?


Yes, the "medical" part is one of the biggest farces going. Stoners rallied behind the "think of the sick people" slogans while doing the nudge-nudge/wink-wink - one of the most disingenuous campaigns run - and that's no small feat.

I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.


THIS.
 
2012-06-12 01:14:37 PM

AllUpInYa: I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.


You don't have to be a "stoner" to support the legalization of marijuana.

That said the notion that you could go from complete prohibition to complete legalization on something as taboo as drugs is absurd. You have to do thinks like this incrementally to demonstrate to people things that they think are false - like the study found in TFA.
 
2012-06-12 01:20:13 PM

The Homer Tax: AllUpInYa: I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.

You don't have to be a "stoner" to support the legalization of marijuana.

That said the notion that you could go from complete prohibition to complete legalization on something as taboo as drugs is absurd. You have to do thinks like this incrementally to demonstrate to people things that they think are false - like the study found in TFA.


This.
 
2012-06-12 01:25:35 PM

AllUpInYa: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
so basically the medical part of medical marijuana is a joke, and is intended to be a joke, with only lip service to public health. mostly, it's just about folks wanting to get high on something the same way the same folks would get a buzz from alcohol or get a feeling of 'urge sated' from tobacco?


Yes, the "medical" part is one of the biggest farces going. Stoners rallied behind the "think of the sick people" slogans while doing the nudge-nudge/wink-wink - one of the most disingenuous campaigns run - and that's no small feat.

I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.


Good thing you don't smoke weed or that big straw man of yours could catch on fire, then you'd have to address the issue honestly.
 
2012-06-12 01:35:55 PM

Digital Communist: AllUpInYa: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
so basically the medical part of medical marijuana is a joke, and is intended to be a joke, with only lip service to public health. mostly, it's just about folks wanting to get high on something the same way the same folks would get a buzz from alcohol or get a feeling of 'urge sated' from tobacco?


Yes, the "medical" part is one of the biggest farces going. Stoners rallied behind the "think of the sick people" slogans while doing the nudge-nudge/wink-wink - one of the most disingenuous campaigns run - and that's no small feat.

I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.

Good thing you don't smoke weed or that big straw man of yours could catch on fire, then you'd have to address the issue honestly.


Digital Communist: AllUpInYa: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
so basically the medical part of medical marijuana is a joke, and is intended to be a joke, with only lip service to public health. mostly, it's just about folks wanting to get high on something the same way the same folks would get a buzz from alcohol or get a feeling of 'urge sated' from tobacco?


Yes, the "medical" part is one of the biggest farces going. Stoners rallied behind the "think of the sick people" slogans while doing the nudge-nudge/wink-wink - one of the most disingenuous campaigns run - and that's no small feat.

I might respect stoners more if they had some balls and got the real law changed, and not some pansy-assed dodge.

Good thing you don't smoke weed or that big straw man of yours could catch on fire, then you'd have to address the issue honestly.


Actually, I have smoked weed and would have accepted the repercussions if I was caught. AND
I would be in favor of legalization.
I wouldn't posterize some sick people and start moaning "think of the sick people" just so that I
would be able to sneak my way around the law to get high.
 
2012-06-12 01:44:11 PM

knobmaker: Garm: I guess it depends on the management or the locale... We had one for a while until the Feds mashed their dinner. The strip mall it was in was marginal already. It had a CVS which was safe enough and a usual assortment of stores...Papa John's, Hollywood Video, BofA. Two of the stores were dollar stores. So not upscale by any means.

While the dispensary was there I would compare the folks shambling about as similar to a seedy Liquor Store. Cars got broken into, store windows were occasionally broken. Correlation vs causation, who knows, I live in a town full of assholes and this was probably just a convergence point. It shifted my opinion of dispensaries quite a bit though.

I'd really like to believe you, because you sound so concerned.


Oh, I didn't make an absolute statement that dispensaries are good or bad. Must be a concern troll... I think MM should be legal, hell, even without a card I don't have a problem with legalization. The issue from what I saw is that dispensaries aren't the gentle hippy oases some would like you to believe. If the dispensary or property management doesn't handle the location properly, its a blight.
 
2012-06-12 01:50:28 PM

Garm: If the dispensary or property management doesn't handle the location properly, its a blight.


This can be said for any business and any property management entity.

If you don't handle your business and property properly, it can go to shiat. More at 11.
 
2012-06-12 01:50:55 PM
Subby,


Your a farking moron who has no real understanding of the difference between medical cannabis and marijuana. Please refrain from speaking in public, as what you typed as a headline was about as funny the Sandusky trial. How about this, you go DIAF, and leave medical cannabis to the professionals.


Believe it or not, not all people who use cannabis say "dude", "whoa", "man", or even have long hair. Quit being a piece of shiat that continues to stay the stereotypes in peoples minds instead of perpetuating the the stoner-lifestyle.
 
2012-06-12 01:59:55 PM

Krymson Tyde: Sounds like a winning plan. We should also have them in places where people who want wars live as well.


We do....Washington DC has a medical law.....We just need to get a dispensary next to the cafeteria, in the Capitol building..... No More preemptive war.
 
2012-06-12 02:01:00 PM

Alphakronik: Subby,


Your a farking moron who has no real understanding of the difference between medical cannabis and marijuana. Please refrain from speaking in public, as what you typed as a headline was about as funny the Sandusky trial. How about this, you go DIAF, and leave medical cannabis to the professionals.


Believe it or not, not all people who use cannabis say "dude", "whoa", "man", or even have long hair. Quit being a piece of shiat that continues to stay the stereotypes in peoples minds instead of perpetuating the the stoner-lifestyle.


Calm down, Bevis. You're ruining it.
 
2012-06-12 02:06:54 PM

gibbon1: bhcompy: So let's accept your hypothesis, does this mean that Mexican drug cartels don't exist?

The drug cartels only exist because drugs are illegal. That said 90% of the drug trade is pot. Legalize pot and 90% of the drug trade disappears and with it 90% of the costs of enforcement.


And with that 90% of the budget for enforcement, 90% of the jobs in enforcement...

No one really WANTS the cartels to go away because their existence gives police huge amounts of money and power.
 
2012-06-12 02:07:08 PM
kingmike.net
 
2012-06-12 02:10:54 PM

JackieRabbit: Alphakronik: Subby,


Your a farking moron who has no real understanding of the difference between medical cannabis and marijuana. Please refrain from speaking in public, as what you typed as a headline was about as funny the Sandusky trial. How about this, you go DIAF, and leave medical cannabis to the professionals.


Believe it or not, not all people who use cannabis say "dude", "whoa", "man", or even have long hair. Quit being a piece of shiat that continues to stay the stereotypes in peoples minds instead of perpetuating the the stoner-lifestyle.

Calm down, Bevis. You're ruining it.


Ruining it? fark that. It's people that continue to proliferate the stereotypes that are ruining it. Maybe if everyone who inhales came out of the closet as a active, and productive member of society instead of a lazy, good for nothing stoner we would stop having our friends and family arrested for simple possession.
 
2012-06-12 02:12:07 PM

gibbon1: Legalize pot and 90% of the drug trade disappears and with it 90% of the costs of enforcement.


OR, more likely, they will fill that 90% with harder drugs.
 
2012-06-12 02:15:11 PM
This again? They are practically on every corner here. That's right. Boulder.
 
2012-06-12 02:16:09 PM

AllUpInYa: OR, more likely, they will fill that 90% with harder drugs.


You're begging the question that there is exactly the same demand for marijuana as there is for "harder drugs."

You don't actually subscribe to the "Gateway Drug" theory, do you?
 
2012-06-12 02:23:32 PM

The Homer Tax: AllUpInYa: OR, more likely, they will fill that 90% with harder drugs.

You're begging the question that there is exactly the same demand for marijuana as there is for "harder drugs."

You don't actually subscribe to the "Gateway Drug" theory, do you?


More likely they'll just move in to smuggling prescription drugs and such because it targets the same young crowd with that little bit of disposable income, whereas coke, meth, etc is truly a different crowd.
 
2012-06-12 02:24:30 PM

AllUpInYa: gibbon1: Legalize pot and 90% of the drug trade disappears and with it 90% of the costs of enforcement.

OR, more likely, they will fill that 90% with harder drugs.


So? That's not a good reason to keep something harmless illegal.
 
2012-06-12 02:25:12 PM

AllUpInYa: gibbon1: Legalize pot and 90% of the drug trade disappears and with it 90% of the costs of enforcement.

OR, more likely, they will fill that 90% with harder drugs.


Interesting - even on Fark still see discredited slippery slope/gateway drug arguments repeated.

Easy enough to point out the fallacy to individuals like AllUpInYa, but shows that, as in a lot of other discussions, rational argument doesn't work to convince wider audience.

Will schools get round to teaching people how to think, and teach them about confirmation bias etc, and how to separate emotional from factual arguments?
 
2012-06-12 02:31:19 PM

The Homer Tax: AllUpInYa: OR, more likely, they will fill that 90% with harder drugs.

You're begging the question that there is exactly the same demand for marijuana as there is for "harder drugs."

You don't actually subscribe to the "Gateway Drug" theory, do you?


No, I subscribe to human nature; that once something becomes commonplace, people will move on towards something more. Examples would be deep-fried foods, caffeinated drinks.
Now, I'm no expert, but I would think that a weight of a powdered drug carries more profit than an equal weight of mj. Why, as a cartel member, wouldn't I look to keep my income by enticing people to my product?

I think it's incredibly naive, maybe even dangerously irresponsible, to even think that the drug problem goes away just because mj becomes legal.
 
2012-06-12 02:44:23 PM
At last, something I can comment on.
I live in Denver, in town. Actually pretty nice part of town.
Nice house, in nice part of high density old neighborhood.
West Wash Park, for those in the know.
I have 6 dispensaries within 1/4 mile radius of my house.
I have 1 on my actual block, and 1 that is a block away.
Only crime trouble we have are drunks walking home from the 15 restaurants and bars late at night, and stupid taggers once or twice a year.
Dispensary related crime isn't even a thing.
 
2012-06-12 02:58:57 PM
 
2012-06-12 03:04:39 PM

AllUpInYa: No, I subscribe to human nature; that once something becomes commonplace, people will move on towards something more. Examples would be deep-fried foods, caffeinated drinks.


That's not human nature. That's bullshiat.

AllUpInYa: I think it's incredibly naive, maybe even dangerously irresponsible, to even think that the drug problem goes away just because mj becomes legal.


Did anyone suggest as much? Good lord, you're like a walking logical fallacy. You've begged the question, used the slippery slope fallacy, and built a fantastic strawman. Sure there isn't a reductio ad absurdum that you want to throw in there as well?

You can't force people to do drugs, people do drugs because *people want to do drugs*. You don't "fix the drug problem" by having a "war on drugs," because that's just a war on people. People who think like you have been fighting the "war on drugs" for 50 farking years and where has it gotten you? A fat lot of nowhere.

You don't fix "the drug problem" by fighting drugs, you fix "the drug problem" by fighting addiction. The "drug problem" is a medical problem, not a criminal one. We tried it your way, it didn't work - the answer isn't to do the exact same thing only harder, it's to try something new.

And, so far, everywhere that has tried this different way, it's (shockingly) working out exactly like we told you it would.
 
2012-06-12 03:16:04 PM

The Homer Tax: AllUpInYa: No, I subscribe to human nature; that once something becomes commonplace, people will move on towards something more. Examples would be deep-fried foods, caffeinated drinks.

That's not human nature. That's bullshiat.

AllUpInYa: I think it's incredibly naive, maybe even dangerously irresponsible, to even think that the drug problem goes away just because mj becomes legal.

Did anyone suggest as much? Good lord, you're like a walking logical fallacy. You've begged the question, used the slippery slope fallacy, and built a fantastic strawman. Sure there isn't a reductio ad absurdum that you want to throw in there as well?

You can't force people to do drugs, people do drugs because *people want to do drugs*. You don't "fix the drug problem" by having a "war on drugs," because that's just a war on people. People who think like you have been fighting the "war on drugs" for 50 farking years and where has it gotten you? A fat lot of nowhere.

You don't fix "the drug problem" by fighting drugs, you fix "the drug problem" by fighting addiction. The "drug problem" is a medical problem, not a criminal one. We tried it your way, it didn't work - the answer isn't to do the exact same thing only harder, it's to try something new.

And, so far, everywhere that has tried this different way, it's (shockingly) working out exactly like we told you it would.


WOW, way to miss the whole point!
gibbon1: Legalize pot and 90% of the drug trade disappears and with it 90% of the costs of enforcement.
 
2012-06-12 03:22:06 PM

AllUpInYa: WOW, way to miss the whole point!


I'm missing nothing. Your argument is tired.

Remember when alcohol prohibition was overturned in this country? Did all of those organized crime syndicates just go into worse, more heinous avenues of crime? No. Many established political dynasties which still hold sway today. So, in a way "yes," but you see what I mean.

The point remains that continuing to fight the same failing "drug war" that has been ineffective for 50 years because of what Mexican Cartels may or may not do is silly. Decriminalize Marijuana and you free up the police to use their resources to fight actual crimes.

I'll be interested to see where you move the goalposts (ding!) to, though.
 
2012-06-12 03:22:25 PM

The Homer Tax: And, so far, everywhere that has tried this different way, it's (shockingly) working out exactly like we told you it would.


Agreed. See, Vancouver and Spain for examples. There's another one I'm missing, I'm sure of it.
 
2012-06-12 03:28:01 PM
Hey. I know you...

thegoldensombrero.com
 
2012-06-12 03:42:49 PM

The Homer Tax: AllUpInYa: WOW, way to miss the whole point!

I'm missing nothing. Your argument is tired.

Remember when alcohol prohibition was overturned in this country? Did all of those organized crime syndicates just go into worse, more heinous avenues of crime? No. Many established political dynasties which still hold sway today. So, in a way "yes," but you see what I mean.
.


Running drugs == running drugs, whether it's mj or cocaine.
They're going to give up drug routes into the US, and potential profits, just because their product is different.
 
2012-06-12 03:48:10 PM
I'm pretty sure that if they shut down the dispensary that is literally right next door to my house, that the neighborhood would still be ghetto without it.

My block: house-house-my house-dispensary-panaderia-liquor store

/csb
 
2012-06-12 03:49:20 PM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-12 03:54:32 PM
Don't forget Washington's I-502 this November as well.
 
2012-06-12 04:09:25 PM
I live fairly close to a light industrial area, where most of the "Medicinal Marijuana" dispensaries have decided to set up shop. Within about 10 minutes walking distance, there are at least 3 separate shops. There were 4 of them, but I think Fartbongo's Gestapo came in and closed one of them down.

The problem I have with the "Medicinal Marijuana" angle is the hypocrisy. I realize that they can't out and out legalize it because of the feds. But when every stoner can go get a "prescription" because their "hair hurts", I think it actually gives a black eye to the real medical benefits (my gramps, who thought very poorly of marijuana smokers, benefited before he died of tobacco related stomach cancer...).

I kid you not, I have seen this crap, and it infuriates me (SFW)

"Medicinal" indeed. Might as well have a guy out with a Viagra or Vicodin sign.

I don't smoke myself, but if a vote came up to legalize it, I would vote YES just to tax the hell out of it and cut off some of the money that the Mexican cartel's are making through either smuggling or growing here in the good old USofA (destroying public lands in the process). The laws are a joke anyways. Anyone who wants to get weed already does so. Might as well make some tax dollars off of it. And maybe if you could buy a pack of joints @ 7-11, there would be fewer shady dispensaries around.
 
2012-06-12 04:12:16 PM

AllUpInYa: Running drugs == running drugs, whether it's mj or cocaine.
They're going to give up drug routes into the US, and potential profits, just because their product is different.


They're not just going to "run drugs" into the US to do it. They're only going to do it if there is demand to meet supply that results in a price that makes the risk worth it.

That's why you're argument is silly. It's not like legalizing marijuana will create some sort of "drug vacuum" that needs to be filled with cocaine. This is where your entire argument breaks down.

Criminal organizations don't do what they do for the fark of it, they do what they do because it makes them money.
 
2012-06-12 04:13:32 PM

Khell: I live fairly close to a light industrial area, where most of the "Medicinal Marijuana" dispensaries have decided to set up shop. Within about 10 minutes walking distance, there are at least 3 separate shops. There were 4 of them, but I think Fartbongo's Gestapo came in and closed one of them down.

The problem I have with the "Medicinal Marijuana" angle is the hypocrisy. I realize that they can't out and out legalize it because of the feds. But when every stoner can go get a "prescription" because their "hair hurts", I think it actually gives a black eye to the real medical benefits (my gramps, who thought very poorly of marijuana smokers, benefited before he died of tobacco related stomach cancer...).

I kid you not, I have seen this crap, and it infuriates me (SFW)

"Medicinal" indeed. Might as well have a guy out with a Viagra or Vicodin sign.

I don't smoke myself, but if a vote came up to legalize it, I would vote YES just to tax the hell out of it and cut off some of the money that the Mexican cartel's are making through either smuggling or growing here in the good old USofA (destroying public lands in the process). The laws are a joke anyways. Anyone who wants to get weed already does so. Might as well make some tax dollars off of it. And maybe if you could buy a pack of joints @ 7-11, there would be fewer shady dispensaries around.


The problem is 7-11 would begin selling year old looseys in a bulk display. Weed should be treated better than that.
 
2012-06-12 04:16:53 PM

Alphakronik: JackieRabbit: Alphakronik: Subby,


Your a farking moron who has no real understanding of the difference between medical cannabis and marijuana. Please refrain from speaking in public, as what you typed as a headline was about as funny the Sandusky trial. How about this, you go DIAF, and leave medical cannabis to the professionals.


Believe it or not, not all people who use cannabis say "dude", "whoa", "man", or even have long hair. Quit being a piece of shiat that continues to stay the stereotypes in peoples minds instead of perpetuating the the stoner-lifestyle.

Calm down, Bevis. You're ruining it.

Ruining it? fark that. It's people that continue to proliferate the stereotypes that are ruining it. Maybe if everyone who inhales came out of the closet as a active, and productive member of society instead of a lazy, good for nothing stoner we would stop having our friends and family arrested for simple possession.


Subby was just having a little fun. So lighten up. And the stoner stereotype is more of a hollywood thing than anything else. Pot is mainstream and no one thinks much about it anymore. I know a lot of successful, professionals who indulge. I would myself if it weren't so damned hard to do. I don't have time to find a dealer and keep up with it all. But reefer will be legal one day. Besides, as a friend of mine once said: "pot is an old man's drug."
 
2012-06-12 04:17:03 PM

Khell: The problem I have with the "Medicinal Marijuana" angle is the hypocrisy. I realize that they can't out and out legalize it because of the feds. But when every stoner can go get a "prescription" because their "hair hurts", I think it actually gives a black eye to the real medical benefits (my gramps, who thought very poorly of marijuana smokers, benefited before he died of tobacco related stomach cancer...).


FWIW, that's not really "hypocrisy." No one's actually contradicting themselves by advocating for medical marijuana. They're just not being entirely honest about the intentions, but they're doing so because, as was previously mentioned, the only way to get people like your grandpa to understand that marijuana isn't some sort of devil plant that's going to make white women go crazy and run away with jazz musicians is to give them some sort of plausible dependability and actually demonstrate that the world's not going to end if people smoke weed.

It's silly that we even have to do things like this, but we do, because people really, really care when other people do things that they wouldn't do themselves.
 
2012-06-12 04:43:19 PM

The Homer Tax:
That's why you're argument is silly. It's not like legalizing marijuana will create some sort of "drug vacuum" that needs to be filled with cocaine. This is where your entire argument breaks down.


And I think you're wrong, here.. It's human nature to want bigger, better, faster, riskier, more exclusive .... whatever.
When mj becomes commonplace, there will be the "grass is greener" attitude towards drugs that offer a stronger/different effect, and this whole cycle will happen all over again. So claiming that legalizing mj will result in some huge savings to society, or economically, isn't realistic.
 
2012-06-12 05:19:29 PM
They've been know to be linked to an increase in disc golf playing.
 
2012-06-12 05:25:00 PM

Expolaris: [i46.tinypic.com image 514x287]

I've loved Jon Stewart's comparison on the Daily Show the past few days. Just shows how ridiculously out of wack out priorities have gotten. For those who didn't see the show. It's a $200 fine for serving a 22 ounce coke, while a $100 fine for being caught with an ounce of weed in NY.

We've become convinced that policing half the issues while gracefully pushing the others off to the side like they don't matter will save us from our own mistakes.


Well isn't that what the government's there for? To protect us from ourselves?
:)
 
2012-06-12 10:07:03 PM
AllUpInYa


And I think you're wrong, here.. It's human nature to want bigger, better, faster, riskier, more exclusive .... whatever.
When mj becomes commonplace, there will be the "grass is greener" attitude towards drugs that offer a stronger/different effect, and this whole cycle will happen all over again. So claiming that legalizing mj will result in some huge savings to society, or economically, isn't realistic.


...you have brown eyes.

So then the next logical conclusion is that the only reason you don't do heroin is because it is illegal. Right?

See? Bullsh*t.
 
2012-06-12 10:41:03 PM
LMAO, this headline sounds exactly like the sort of plan some of the potheads I've known would think is totally plausible.
But, like, the government is making too much money on war, or something, so itt'l never happen.

Lol.

I'm totally for decriminalization btw, but those hopelessly smoke-addled types I knew in HS and college are pathetically farking hilarious.
 
2012-06-13 08:19:38 AM

busy chillin': AllUpInYa


And I think you're wrong, here.. It's human nature to want bigger, better, faster, riskier, more exclusive .... whatever.
When mj becomes commonplace, there will be the "grass is greener" attitude towards drugs that offer a stronger/different effect, and this whole cycle will happen all over again. So claiming that legalizing mj will result in some huge savings to society, or economically, isn't realistic.

...you have brown eyes.

So then the next logical conclusion is that the only reason you don't do heroin is because it is illegal. Right?

See? Bullsh*t.


if pot was illegal there would be an INCREASE in bath salt users. cause the high isn't that great for jacking off. and they want something similar to amphetamines to make them "hornier"
 
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