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2012-06-12 09:49:23 AM  
Siri, when do I turn?

Turn right in .....signal lost....


yeah, these will put portable GPS units out of business
 
2012-06-12 10:02:15 AM  

EnviroDude: Siri, when do I turn?

Turn right in .....signal lost....


yeah, these will put portable GPS units out of business


Well, routes will actually be cached, and anyway, Android has had turn by turn directions for years, and Waze also wonders what all of the fuss is about.
 
2012-06-12 10:33:49 AM  
My only issue with using a smart phone as a GPS device is I can't multitask and talk on the phone while driving (I know what I'm doing! And I rarely ever do it!) if I need to use it as a navigation device.
 
2012-06-12 10:48:19 AM  

Cythraul: I know what I'm doing!


Yeah, we know what you're doing, too, and it's putting the rest of us in danger.

/debie downer
 
2012-06-12 10:50:03 AM  

Calmamity: Cythraul: I know what I'm doing!

Yeah, we know what you're doing, too, and it's putting the rest of us in danger.

/debie downer


Well, whatever. I don't care about you anyway and I hope you all die!
 
2012-06-12 11:19:31 AM  
because...... everybody has a cell phone ????


/NOT
//don't have one
///don't need one
 
2012-06-12 11:19:48 AM  
But how will I text?
 
2012-06-12 11:20:28 AM  

haemaker: EnviroDude: Siri, when do I turn?

Turn right in .....signal lost....


yeah, these will put portable GPS units out of business

Well, routes will actually be cached, and anyway, Android has had turn by turn directions for years, and Waze also wonders what all of the fuss is about.


Owning an Android device with maps, and having used a friends Garmin from time to time, I do have to say Google maps still doesn't compare to a high quality Garmin. The traffic and lane guidance on Garmin systems is simply amazing, and well above Googles or Apples offerings.
 
2012-06-12 11:21:16 AM  

AKTurkey: But how will I text?


With the Siri button on your steering wheel.
 
2012-06-12 11:22:01 AM  
Using your smartphone instead of your dedicated GPS device is great until the GPS sucks the life out your batteries 30 minutes into your journey.
 
2012-06-12 11:23:10 AM  
Will the smartphone based locations services work in areas without cellular service? No?

Then dedicated GPS receivers aren't going anywhere.
 
2012-06-12 11:23:27 AM  

Cythraul: My only issue with using a smart phone as a GPS device is I can't multitask and talk on the phone while driving (I know what I'm doing! And I rarely ever do it!) if I need to use it as a navigation device.


Sure you do nancy.

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/publications/road_traff i c/distracted_driving_en.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/Motorvehiclesafety/Distracted_Driving/index.html
 
2012-06-12 11:23:47 AM  

skodabunny: Using your smartphone instead of your dedicated GPS device is great until the GPS sucks the life out your batteries 30 minutes into your journey.


This.

Plus, the GPS on my Droid X2 often places me up to a quarter-mile away from my actual position.
 
2012-06-12 11:24:06 AM  

skodabunny: Using your smartphone instead of your dedicated GPS device is great until the GPS sucks the life out your batteries 30 minutes into your journey.


Or until you realize your garmin works anywhere, not just where there is a cellphone network, it has got a 5" screen and a really large speaker.
 
2012-06-12 11:24:11 AM  

MindStalker: Owning an Android device with maps, and having used a friends Garmin from time to time, I do have to say Google maps still doesn't compare to a high quality Garmin. The traffic and lane guidance on Garmin systems is simply amazing, and well above Googles or Apples offerings.


This. I'm a DJ for a living, and I drive. A lot. In two years I put 200,000 miles on my car. Performed in VA with a friend, drove down from MA. Friend had his iPhone, I brought my Garmin.

Garmin won, hands down for the reasons above. Even Mr. iPhone riding with me begrudgingly liked the Garmin better.

Sometimes, a dedicated device is simply better.
 
2012-06-12 11:24:16 AM  
Article: Apple and Google have killed portable GPS

Real-life: Android GPS: amazing, Apple GPS: almost unusable

Fark Headline: APPLE SAVES THE DAY AGAIN!

You fanbois crack me up
 
2012-06-12 11:24:20 AM  
Sure... Staring at a bad interface on a tiny screen without turn by turn becomes better than a 9 inch in dash with turn by turn.

I'll get right on that. Dealing with the shiatty map implementation on the iPhone 4S got me lost and nearly killed on my recent trip to the asshole of the earth (DC SMA for those that know these things). It can't route around traffic, it doesn't understand or get construction closures and lack of turn by turn can bite me.

tl;dr fark the current Apple mapping solution

/I'll put money down that Apple tries to claim they invented audible turn by turn when it's announced on the iPhone 5
 
2012-06-12 11:25:09 AM  
Yeah, right. I have the sprint Epic Touch and I cannot even get the freaking weather to update correctly. I'll keep my garmin and maybe just buy another garmin out of spite!
 
2012-06-12 11:25:15 AM  
What I want in my car is this form factor.
static.cargurus.com

I like having all my map data all the time, not subject to cell service access.
The only problem is that integrated GPS systems don't get map updates for very long.

If I could download map data for an entire region, or country, from my phone and into my car, I'd be happy.


I don't want to use my phone as an in car GPS. I'd have to put it somewhere.
 
2012-06-12 11:26:02 AM  
Yeah, I'll just continue to use the GPS I bought 6 years ago. And use my phone for phone calls. And my computer for computering.
 
2012-06-12 11:26:45 AM  
Hey I don't have a smart phone because I can't afford it plus the data contract. I'm heading to Florida in a couple days for vacation and pick up a nice Garmin at a pawn shop for $50. Why would I need a fancy phone instead?
 
2012-06-12 11:26:53 AM  
Expensive? The only expensive device we're talking about here is the iphone.
 
2012-06-12 11:27:24 AM  

Strik3r: because...... everybody has a cell phone ????


/NOT
//don't have one
///don't need one


And get off my lawn!
 
2012-06-12 11:28:16 AM  
Oh... let me just run out and throw away my reliable and useful GPS that I keep in the car and go buy an an Apple product!

Apple strikes me as the rich kid who enjoys insulting any kid who isn't wearing the latest popular name brand clothes.
 
2012-06-12 11:28:30 AM  
That, and nobody's mentioning the subscription costs. Buy the Garmin, and you're done. No monthly fee.
 
2012-06-12 11:30:14 AM  
No clue how the Apple stuff works, but the google navigation (which is free) has been awesome for me. Excited for the caching of maps (I was so sad when it disappeared from the google labs options!).
 
2012-06-12 11:30:29 AM  

haemaker: EnviroDude: Siri, when do I turn?

Turn right in .....signal lost....


yeah, these will put portable GPS units out of business

Well, routes will actually be cached, and anyway, Android has had turn by turn directions for years, and Waze also wonders what all of the fuss is about.



I tried Waze exactly ONCE. Was a passenger in a car driven by another person, we were running late for a meeting, on the highway and Waze wouldn't let me enter a destination until the car was stopped.

I understand the whole distracted driving/ safety thing, but not bring able to actually use the device/app is a deal killer
 
2012-06-12 11:31:06 AM  
I really want my pilot asking Siri for approach vectors, Victor.
 
2012-06-12 11:32:37 AM  

Malcolm_Sex: Real-life: Android GPS: amazing, Apple GPS: almost unusable

You fanbois crack me up


Frankly, I'm impressed that you have an iOS 6 device and therefore are an Apple employee, and yet don't consider yourself a fanboi.
 
2012-06-12 11:33:25 AM  
For all the ballyhoo about the impending death of the single-use device, I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. Smartphones have too many limitations and shortcoming to competently replace GPS devices in the short-term future. The *biggest* shortcoming is their size, frankly, which can't increase too much before they become unwieldy.

If standalone GPS devices die, it'll be because car manufacturers are increasingly making GPS units built into cars more affordable, perhaps soon to the point of being standard even in economy cars.
 
2012-06-12 11:34:48 AM  
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/moto_droid_goog l e_nav.jpg

Wow...Thanks Apple...This will be a game changer!

(Miss my old Droid sometimes)
 
2012-06-12 11:35:15 AM  

EnviroDude: Siri, when do I turn?

Turn right in .....signal lost....


yeah, these will put portable GPS units out of business


I'm lazy and I *still* managed to read enough of the article to know that it was about how Apple and Google's products are both caching enough information offline that you don't need a constant signal.
 
2012-06-12 11:36:15 AM  
cdn.arstechnica.net

Sorry..pic to go with previous comment
 
2012-06-12 11:37:18 AM  
I wonder how much data this app will consume.

You obviously can't be on wireless if you're driving coast to coast, if this requires constant data use when running, could wind up eating all of your 1-2GB of monthly data pretty fast.

Interesting that this is being released after most data plans decided to dump unlimited data and throttle use after a certain level

Still looks cool
 
2012-06-12 11:38:18 AM  
So glad Apple just invented GPS with driving directions on a phone. I mean, my G2 has had it for two years now, but whatever.
 
2012-06-12 11:38:42 AM  

dittybopper: Will the smartphone based locations services work in areas without cellular service? No?

Then dedicated GPS receivers aren't going anywhere.


What are you referring to?

Smartphones get coords from GPS just like your dedicated GPS receiver, *in addition to* their ability to "guess" at your location based on cell towers and wifi access points.
 
2012-06-12 11:39:40 AM  
I still use my compass and map. Learned it from Zelda.
 
2012-06-12 11:40:01 AM  
But can your

Handsome B. Wonderful: Expensive? The only expensive device we're talking about here is the iphone.


In all fairness, the iPhone under contract is priced the same as a higher end Android phone.


Still chose the Samsung Galaxy S2.
 
2012-06-12 11:40:02 AM  

Cinaed: Cythraul: My only issue with using a smart phone as a GPS device is I can't multitask and talk on the phone while driving (I know what I'm doing! And I rarely ever do it!) if I need to use it as a navigation device.

Sure you do nancy.

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/publications/road_traff i c/distracted_driving_en.pdf
http://www.cdc.gov/Motorvehiclesafety/Distracted_Driving/index.html


My nam'es notNancy. Sorry forr misspellngs. its hard to txt and drive @ same time
 
2012-06-12 11:40:30 AM  

dittybopper: Will the smartphone based locations services work in areas without cellular service? No?

Then dedicated GPS receivers aren't going anywhere.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?

FTFA: "offline map downloading"

What does a dedicated GPC receiver have over a smartphone if they both have GPS built in and they both have a local repository of map data?
 
2012-06-12 11:40:44 AM  

fluffy2097: I don't want to use my phone as an in car GPS. I'd have to put it somewhere.


Hi there.
 
2012-06-12 11:41:28 AM  

JohnnyC: Oh... let me just run out and throw away my reliable and useful GPS that I keep in the car and go buy an an Apple product!

Apple strikes me as the rich kid who enjoys insulting any kid who isn't wearing the latest popular name brand clothes.


Yeah, how dare they add a feature to their product line! THOSE A-HOLES!!!!!
 
2012-06-12 11:41:43 AM  

skodabunny: Using your smartphone instead of your dedicated GPS device is great until the GPS sucks the life out your batteries 30 minutes into your journey.


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-06-12 11:43:05 AM  

Timmy the Tumor: I wonder how much data this app will consume.

You obviously can't be on wireless if you're driving coast to coast, if this requires constant data use when running, could wind up eating all of your 1-2GB of monthly data pretty fast.

Interesting that this is being released after most data plans decided to dump unlimited data and throttle use after a certain level

Still looks cool


Android's google maps don't require a whole lot of data to download the tiles of images for roads, and beyond that, the rest is negligible. According to this page, a full download of a Garmin North America map is 1.62GB. You'll only need a very small fraction of that to do a road trip on your smart phone.
 
2012-06-12 11:44:10 AM  
Got the Nokia Lumia 900 which includes Nokia Drive... "Full" featured GPS with downloadable maps of your choice. I'm sure it will work in a pinch but still doesn't come close to the iGo Primo or even TomTom I'm use to using.
 
2012-06-12 11:44:27 AM  

skodabunny: Using your smartphone instead of your dedicated GPS device is great until the GPS sucks the life out your batteries 30 minutes into your journey.


Hi there to you too.
 
2012-06-12 11:45:26 AM  

jonny_q: dittybopper: Will the smartphone based locations services work in areas without cellular service? No?

Then dedicated GPS receivers aren't going anywhere.

What are you referring to?

Smartphones get coords from GPS just like your dedicated GPS receiver, *in addition to* their ability to "guess" at your location based on cell towers and wifi access points.


Map data on the other hand are stored on the standalone GPS device, which also calculates the route. With the new maps app, map data is stored on remote servers, and the route is also calculated remotely.
 
2012-06-12 11:45:28 AM  
iOS 6 integrates TomTom GPS maps into the iPhone 4S and iPad 2. The latest iDevices are stand-alone GPS units as of next update.

Also, there are plenty of GPS map apps available for just about every phone. I use my Droid X as a GPS often enough to know that it works pretty damn flawlessly.

So yeah...I got nuthin'.

/sorry
//I'm just lonely
 
2012-06-12 11:45:49 AM  

skodabunny: Using your smartphone instead of your dedicated GPS device is great until the GPS sucks the life out your batteries 30 minutes into your journey.


Who doesn't drive in their car without a phone charger plugged in? YOU?
 
2012-06-12 11:46:01 AM  
4S + MotionX app + car charger


//gets me around LA quite nicely and it can reroute me around traffic
 
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