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2012-06-12 12:15:40 PM  
and she was shot by the casing not the bullet
 
2012-06-12 12:34:28 PM  
Guns don't kill people. The shell casings of errant, mishandled cartidges do.
 
2012-06-12 12:35:58 PM  
What programming language does this correspond to?
 
2012-06-12 12:37:26 PM  
 
2012-06-12 12:37:45 PM  
Before reading the article: Without the use of a gun... she defied the odds by growing a penis?
After reading zedster's post: ah, never mind then. thanks for the heads up. no clicky link.
 
2012-06-12 12:40:31 PM  
In before someone posts this...


Hello Mr DEA Agent

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2012-06-12 12:43:57 PM  
Guns do not kill people. Bullets good people. The guns just make the bullets go really, really, really fast.

/Homage to Jake Johanson.
 
2012-06-12 12:45:00 PM  
Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.
 
2012-06-12 12:45:33 PM  
dmme.net
 
2012-06-12 12:46:05 PM  

Mock26: Guns do not kill people. Bullets good people. The guns just make the contain the cartridge casing so the bullets go really, really, really fast out of the barrel toward the intended target.

/Homage to Jake Johanson.


FTFYa
 
2012-06-12 12:46:13 PM  
I need Mythbusters on this one.
 
2012-06-12 12:51:01 PM  

Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.


And yet I can't buy firecrackers in Georgia, but I can buy bullets.

That reminds me, I need to make a run to Tennessee soon.
 
2012-06-12 12:55:53 PM  
I had a friend in Pennsylvania. A little old lady named Pearl. Pearl loved birds and had a bird feeder. Pearl hated squirrels. Pearl had a 357 magnum. She was also a terrible shot. There were holes in the feeder, holes in the pipe that held the feeder and holes in the shed. One day a bear came out of the woods...

/no foolin'.
 
2012-06-12 12:59:21 PM  

Felix_T_Cat: I had a friend in Pennsylvania. A little old lady named Pearl. Pearl loved birds and had a bird feeder. Pearl hated squirrels. Pearl had a 357 magnum. She was also a terrible shot. There were holes in the feeder, holes in the pipe that held the feeder and holes in the shed. One day a bear came out of the woods...

/no foolin'.


Was he wiping his ass with a rabbit?
 
2012-06-12 01:04:33 PM  
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Would prefer if she just ate the bullet, but approves none the less
 
2012-06-12 01:06:54 PM  

Felix_T_Cat: I had a friend in Pennsylvania. A little old lady named Pearl. Pearl loved birds and had a bird feeder. Pearl hated squirrels. Pearl had a 357 magnum. She was also a terrible shot. There were holes in the feeder, holes in the pipe that held the feeder and holes in the shed. One day a bear came out of the woods...

/no foolin'.


And ate Pearl?
 
2012-06-12 01:09:40 PM  

blatz514: Felix_T_Cat: I had a friend in Pennsylvania. A little old lady named Pearl. Pearl loved birds and had a bird feeder. Pearl hated squirrels. Pearl had a 357 magnum. She was also a terrible shot. There were holes in the feeder, holes in the pipe that held the feeder and holes in the shed. One day a bear came out of the woods...

/no foolin'.

And ate Pearl?


No he just dry humped her.....

She gave him crabs too

Now he has to go to the veterinarian and get checked for herpes.

And do you know how hard it is to shave bear pubes to get rid of the scabies and apply lotion when you don't have opposable thumbs ?
 
2012-06-12 01:09:45 PM  
Rewind to 1978. My reprobate friends and I are walking down the street when Lucas White sees something shiny in the grass next to the sidewalk. It's a bullet (short, probably from a handgun). Lucas picks it up. Does he:
1. Throw it away (turn to page 87)
2. Bring it to his parents (turn to page 30)
3. Take it to his garage and hit it with a sledge hammer (turn to page 148)
 
2012-06-12 01:15:26 PM  
What odds are these that she's defying, subby? Carrying loose ammo in pockets, handbags, etc aren't that hard to set off...
 
2012-06-12 01:24:04 PM  

Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.


CSB:

I was at the range once, and there was a sheriff officer in the lane next to me. Then there was a lot of excitement. What had happened was he had a box of ammo sitting on the firing shelf. The ammo was in the styrofoam packing but out of the cardboard. A bullet casing was ejected from the gun, bounced off the lane wall, and fell and struck the primer on one of the rounds. The casing exploded, taking a chunk of packaging with it, and tossed some casing shrapnel about, but no one was injured. The bullet was on the 3 feet away on the floor.
 
2012-06-12 01:26:55 PM  
The dangers of carrying a gun in your purse-even a pretty pink one-are pretty well-established.

[citation needed].
 
2012-06-12 01:29:53 PM  

MythDragon: I was at the range once


Not too long ago, that exact story down to the details about a chunk of the packaging getting blown out was reported in several gun magazines....so either you happened to be at exactly the right place at exactly the right time, or you're full of it.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:32 PM  
I had something similar happen as a kid and had posted my story on a related Fark thread and got called out for being full of shiat. Just want to point out that yes it is possible. As someone already pointed out without it comong from a gun barrel there isn't much behind it but it can break skin and hurt like a mother farker.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:59 PM  

Tiiba: Link


You,sir, rock
 
2012-06-12 01:33:14 PM  

Weidbrewer: What odds are these that she's defying, subby? Carrying loose ammo in pockets, handbags, etc aren't that hard to set off...


Then why do ammo manufacturers sell ammo cans full of loose ammo?

ammo
 
2012-06-12 01:34:19 PM  
www.macuser.com

Pop quiz hotshot...shoot the hostage in the leg!
 
2012-06-12 01:38:40 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: Then why do ammo manufacturers sell ammo cans full of loose ammo?

ammo



Because it's actually harder to set off when they're all packed in together like that, even loose. Also, people don't generally carry an ammo can swinging like a pendulum from their should like a purse.

Basically, even a full purse or pocket is going to have a lot more open space in it than a full ammo can - a set of keys, pocket knife, etc can build up a lot more momentum going from one side of your purse to the other than loose rounds jingling lightly together in a can. Full ammo can getting roughly moved around? Not much of a problem. Toss a loose round from table height back into that can? Probably not, but a lot more likely.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:58 PM  

Weidbrewer: MythDragon: I was at the range once

Not too long ago, that exact story down to the details about a chunk of the packaging getting blown out was reported in several gun magazines....so either you happened to be at exactly the right place at exactly the right time, or you're full of it.


Well, hey, somebody had to be there or else it wouldn't have gotten reported, now, would it? Hmmm?

/nahhh, he's probably full of it
 
2012-06-12 01:57:25 PM  

Weidbrewer: What odds are these that she's defying, subby? Carrying loose ammo in pockets, handbags, etc aren't that hard to set off...


Sure they are. This woman had a one in a billion chance occurance. I would love to know what object she had in her purse, what she was doing to hit it hard enough to strike and fire a primer and what brand/model round it was.
 
2012-06-12 01:58:11 PM  

Weidbrewer: MythDragon: I was at the range once

Not too long ago, that exact story down to the details about a chunk of the packaging getting blown out was reported in several gun magazines....so either you happened to be at exactly the right place at exactly the right time, or you're full of it.


Yeah I was there. It was at Shoal River Sporting Clays in Crestview, Fl. 2001 or 2002. It was a while back. Though this could be a different incident you read about. I'm sure any bullet that goes off in the packaging is going to take chunks out of the styroforam. There wasn't a big deal made out of it while I was there. It was me, the cop, and some other dude. Basicly it was me asking, 'What the hell just happened over there?" and the cop showing us the casing fragments and saying something along the lines of "That really sucked."

As far as I know, it didn't get reported to the range staff, much less a magazine, so I probably was not at the one you read about. (I was around exploding bullets before they were cool)

While I do enjoy spewing ridiculous stories on Fark, this one is real. Not like that time Michael Jackson come over to my house to use the bathroom.
 
2012-06-12 01:58:48 PM  

zedster: and she was shot by the casing not the bullet


anytime a round of ammunition goes off outside of the chamber of a gun, the casing is going to be the dangerous part. The chamber contains the explosion and forces the expanding gases out of the barrel, propelling the bullet forward.

Outside of a gun, nothing contains the explosion, except the strength of the casing and the friction between the bullet and casing. Basically the bullet is sent forward with the same energy as the casing is sent backwards. Since the casing is lighter, it has higher velocity and does the damage. The casing, because of its light mass usually only causes minor injuries.

At house fires, we will frequently hear bullets exploding. The casings will be scattered all over the place, but the bullets will still be together. Never had anybody in my department hurt by exploding ammo....yet (hopefully never)

Those small canisters of propane, the ones you attach to a camping lantern or stove, those are scary when they explode, no one hurt by one of those either, but they scare me worse than ammo does.
 
2012-06-12 02:03:28 PM  

MythDragon: Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.

CSB:

I was at the range once, and there was a sheriff officer in the lane next to me. Then there was a lot of excitement. What had happened was he had a box of ammo sitting on the firing shelf. The ammo was in the styrofoam packing but out of the cardboard. A bullet casing was ejected from the gun, bounced off the lane wall, and fell and struck the primer on one of the rounds. The casing exploded, taking a chunk of packaging with it, and tossed some casing shrapnel about, but no one was injured. The bullet was on the 3 feet away on the floor.


There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.
 
2012-06-12 02:05:40 PM  

Weidbrewer: Psycoholic_Slag: Then why do ammo manufacturers sell ammo cans full of loose ammo?

ammo


Because it's actually harder to set off when they're all packed in together like that, even loose. Also, people don't generally carry an ammo can swinging like a pendulum from their should like a purse.

Basically, even a full purse or pocket is going to have a lot more open space in it than a full ammo can - a set of keys, pocket knife, etc can build up a lot more momentum going from one side of your purse to the other than loose rounds jingling lightly together in a can. Full ammo can getting roughly moved around? Not much of a problem. Toss a loose round from table height back into that can? Probably not, but a lot more likely.


Ammo is very stable and difficult to "accidently" have explode. If this was not the case ammo manufacturers would have a sh*t load of liability to deal with. I still think something about this story is missing.
 
2012-06-12 02:24:55 PM  

Whatthefark: MythDragon: Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.

CSB:

I was at the range once, and there was a sheriff officer in the lane next to me. Then there was a lot of excitement. What had happened was he had a box of ammo sitting on the firing shelf. The ammo was in the styrofoam packing but out of the cardboard. A bullet casing was ejected from the gun, bounced off the lane wall, and fell and struck the primer on one of the rounds. The casing exploded, taking a chunk of packaging with it, and tossed some casing shrapnel about, but no one was injured. The bullet was on the 3 feet away on the floor.

There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.


Some guns have pretty energetic ejection. It can happen (and as mention further up the thread at least one incident was mentioned in a shooting magazine), but it's incredibly rare.
 
2012-06-12 02:29:03 PM  
Although hitting the primer is possible, I would be willing to bet it was electricity. Either static or something like a flashlight helped make a connection.
 
2012-06-12 02:33:51 PM  
My high school history teacher had been in the Korean War and in the camp was a tent that housed some rowdy guys. All the tents had these wood burning stoves and for shiats and giggles, someone would occasionally sneak a .45 round onto the top of the stove and everybody'd jump when it cooked off. A few brass fragments would scatter around but it was no big deal.

One day my teacher was escorting around a new guy when they heard a bang inside that tent. The FNG went wide-eyed and said, "What the hell was that?!" My teacher casually said, "Oh, probably one of those guys has shot the other again." Just at that moment a guy came falling backwards through the door, blood streaming from his head. Then it was my teacher's turn to go wide-eyed and the FNG just about shiat.

Turns out they'd been playing cards and someone thought this guy had been cheating and whacked him with a pistol butt at the same time the cartridge on the stove went off. I'm not sure if these were the same guys who dug a pit at the end of the wooden floor and would pull the pin on a grenade, and bowl it down the floor into the pit.
 
2012-06-12 02:40:34 PM  
I shoot myself in the leg every day... for 45 years with insulin syringe....

You do that.
 
2012-06-12 02:44:19 PM  

Whatthefark: MythDragon: Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.

CSB:

I was at the range once, and there was a sheriff officer in the lane next to me. Then there was a lot of excitement. What had happened was he had a box of ammo sitting on the firing shelf. The ammo was in the styrofoam packing but out of the cardboard. A bullet casing was ejected from the gun, bounced off the lane wall, and fell and struck the primer on one of the rounds. The casing exploded, taking a chunk of packaging with it, and tossed some casing shrapnel about, but no one was injured. The bullet was on the 3 feet away on the floor.

There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.


Well apparently is does because I saw it happen. I physically held the fractured casing in my hand. And why would this have anything to do with the brady campaign? If anything, it shows bullets are (relatively) safe because the casing explodes into minor injury causing fragments instead of launching the bullet through someone's brainpan. And it wasn't just a 'loose casing' it was a casing that had been ejected by the force (indirectly) of the powder exploding.
 
2012-06-12 02:48:50 PM  

Whatthefark: MythDragon: Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.

CSB:

I was at the range once, and there was a sheriff officer in the lane next to me. Then there was a lot of excitement. What had happened was he had a box of ammo sitting on the firing shelf. The ammo was in the styrofoam packing but out of the cardboard. A bullet casing was ejected from the gun, bounced off the lane wall, and fell and struck the primer on one of the rounds. The casing exploded, taking a chunk of packaging with it, and tossed some casing shrapnel about, but no one was injured. The bullet was on the 3 feet away on the floor.

There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.


What about a loose HOT casing?
 
2012-06-12 03:01:15 PM  

Mishno: There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.

What about a loose HOT casing?


Well, while a casing may be hot enough to burn you, I doubt a single casing would be hot enough to ignite the gunpowder in another casing. Bouncing off woud not be near enough time to transfer the heat energy, and even if it was sitting on the other casing, that casing would act more as a heat sink and draw the heat around the outside of the casing where it will quickly cool before allowing it to penetrate to the powder. You'd have to toss a round into a fire to get it hot enough to go off, and even then it takes a little bit.
 
2012-06-12 03:07:42 PM  

MythDragon: Yeah I was there. It was at Shoal River Sporting Clays in Crestview, Fl. 2001 or 2002.


Well, then it was the first option.

I guess I'm getting old when I think of 2001 or 2002 as not being that long ago. The article was pretty interesting (it was published in one mag i read, and reprinted elsewhere) and I think it's the same one you're talking about. It was basically a write-up of the WTF-ness of it in relation to "never assume anything" in range-safety.
 
2012-06-12 03:13:06 PM  
MB already did this, didn't they? I don't think it's really possible for a casing to get through a substantial purse. And even if it did, the injury would be "a small red mark". BFD.
 
2012-06-12 03:15:36 PM  

MythDragon: Mishno: There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.

What about a loose HOT casing?

Well, while a casing may be hot enough to burn you, I doubt a single casing would be hot enough to ignite the gunpowder in another casing. Bouncing off woud not be near enough time to transfer the heat energy, and even if it was sitting on the other casing, that casing would act more as a heat sink and draw the heat around the outside of the casing where it will quickly cool before allowing it to penetrate to the powder. You'd have to toss a round into a fire to get it hot enough to go off, and even then it takes a little bit.


I was thinking more of the hot casing landing on the primer of one of the rounds in the box.

/how easy is it to accidentally set off a rimfire cartridge? I don't make a habit of this, but is it risky to have a .22LR in your pocket with a bunch of change? I've never set one off outside of the chamber of a gun so I don't really know how sensitive they are.
 
2012-06-12 03:25:06 PM  

Mishno: MythDragon: Mishno: There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.

What about a loose HOT casing?

Well, while a casing may be hot enough to burn you, I doubt a single casing would be hot enough to ignite the gunpowder in another casing. Bouncing off woud not be near enough time to transfer the heat energy, and even if it was sitting on the other casing, that casing would act more as a heat sink and draw the heat around the outside of the casing where it will quickly cool before allowing it to penetrate to the powder. You'd have to toss a round into a fire to get it hot enough to go off, and even then it takes a little bit.

I was thinking more of the hot casing landing on the primer of one of the rounds in the box.

/how easy is it to accidentally set off a rimfire cartridge? I don't make a habit of this, but is it risky to have a .22LR in your pocket with a bunch of change? I've never set one off outside of the chamber of a gun so I don't really know how sensitive they are.


I had a friend set one off with a hammer and screwdriver when I was a kid (8 years old). He held the bullet in a vise and smacked it. Somehow the casing went through palm of his hand.
 
2012-06-12 03:27:02 PM  

davidab: Although hitting the primer is possible, I would be willing to bet it was electricity. Either static or something like a flashlight helped make a connection.


There's no way to get a circuit through the powder or primer unless (and this is just ridiculously unlikely) the round was using electric primers like the old Remington EtronX.

You could have enough power running through the case to heat it to the point of autoignition, but that would take a lot of current. More than you'll get from anything likely to be in a purse and if it did happen the whole purse would probably be on fire.
 
2012-06-12 03:43:52 PM  

MythDragon: Weidbrewer: MythDragon: I was at the range once

Not too long ago, that exact story down to the details about a chunk of the packaging getting blown out was reported in several gun magazines....so either you happened to be at exactly the right place at exactly the right time, or you're full of it.

Yeah I was there. It was at Shoal River Sporting Clays in Crestview, Fl. 2001 or 2002. It was a while back. Though this could be a different incident you read about. I'm sure any bullet that goes off in the packaging is going to take chunks out of the styroforam. There wasn't a big deal made out of it while I was there. It was me, the cop, and some other dude. Basicly it was me asking, 'What the hell just happened over there?" and the cop showing us the casing fragments and saying something along the lines of "That really sucked."

As far as I know, it didn't get reported to the range staff, much less a magazine, so I probably was not at the one you read about. (I was around exploding bullets before they were cool)

While I do enjoy spewing ridiculous stories on Fark, this one is real. Not like that time Michael Jackson come over to my house to use the bathroom.


AAHAHAHAHA awesome goonies reference
i believe ya myth...now just get 11 more and we can make it gospel
 
2012-06-12 03:51:59 PM  

Mishno: MythDragon: Mishno: There is no way a loose casing has enough energy to set off a primer. My guess is that this story originated from someone at the Brady Campaign.

What about a loose HOT casing?

Well, while a casing may be hot enough to burn you, I doubt a single casing would be hot enough to ignite the gunpowder in another casing. Bouncing off woud not be near enough time to transfer the heat energy, and even if it was sitting on the other casing, that casing would act more as a heat sink and draw the heat around the outside of the casing where it will quickly cool before allowing it to penetrate to the powder. You'd have to toss a round into a fire to get it hot enough to go off, and even then it takes a little bit.

I was thinking more of the hot casing landing on the primer of one of the rounds in the box.

/how easy is it to accidentally set off a rimfire cartridge? I don't make a habit of this, but is it risky to have a .22LR in your pocket with a bunch of change? I've never set one off outside of the chamber of a gun so I don't really know how sensitive they are.


I don't think it would make a difference if it were hot or not, as the primer is a contact exposive. I've carried loose rounds in a travel bag before when I used it to carry some guns to the range. (Protip - make sure you have all your loose rounds out of the bag before you use it to fly somewhere...unless you'd like to have a lenghty chat with the TSA. Trust me), and I've never had a problem.

The only time I was worried it when I first bought a FS2000. The FS2000 is a bullpup that ejects spent/unfired casings out near the front of the rifle via a tube. I was cycling unfired 5.56 shells through it to check out the action, when I realised I was basicly thumping a whole bunch of sharp nosed bullets and primers together. I would hope that it would be engineered not to stack them in the tube with enough force to set one off. I'm not sure I would like to find out what would happen if bullet number 3 in a line of 7 bullets (about how many can stack up before forcing open the dust cover and being pushed out) were to go off. That's a chain reaction I would not like to have occur near my face.
 
2012-06-12 04:20:57 PM  

tillerman35: Rewind to 1978. My reprobate friends and I are walking down the street when Lucas White sees something shiny in the grass next to the sidewalk. It's a bullet (short, probably from a handgun). Lucas picks it up. Does he:
1. Throw it away (turn to page 87)
2. Bring it to his parents (turn to page 30)
3. Take it to his garage and hit it with a sledge hammer (turn to page 148)


Might regret this but I'm guessing (3).
/rewind? 1978 still triggers a "wooo, teh future!" reflex in my brain.
 
2012-06-12 04:48:36 PM  

Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.


Citation to back up your claim?
 
2012-06-12 05:29:33 PM  

Mock26: Virtue: Your typical bullet exploding outside of the chamber of a gun has about as much energy as a firecracker.

Citation to back up your claim?


Do you seriously doubt it? It's essentially just the primer going off, since there's not enough containment for the powder to burn or for it to be directed into useable energy the way it would in the barrel of a gun.

If you must have a cite: http://mythbustersresults.com/episode85
 
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