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2012-06-12 05:17:10 AM  
Interesting article, informative, but the writer sounds fat..
 
2012-06-12 05:20:20 AM  
Been saying this for a long time now. Fat-free foods are often/generally far worse than the full fat alternative.
 
2012-06-12 08:57:29 AM  
Think I'll chow down on this can of Crisco.
 
2012-06-12 09:06:47 AM  
I can assure you that's not why I'm fat.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-12 09:09:59 AM  
Interesting article.

Other studies have found that sugar may even coat semen and result in obese men becoming less fertile. One researcher told me that, ultimately, perhaps nothing needs to be done about obesity, as obese people will wipe themselves out.

There are plenty of obese women to pass on their obese genes in combination with merely overweight, fertile men.
 
2012-06-12 09:14:10 AM  
Some people may also be fat because their bodies are not properly regulating angiogenesis, which can be repaired, in part, by dietary changes to include naturally anti-angiogenic compounds.
 
2012-06-12 11:16:15 AM  

ZAZ: Interesting article.

Other studies have found that sugar may even coat semen and result in obese men becoming less fertile. One researcher told me that, ultimately, perhaps nothing needs to be done about obesity, as obese people will wipe themselves out.

There are plenty of obese women to pass on their obese genes in combination with merely overweight, fertile men.


A species of chubby chasers. I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 
2012-06-12 11:20:31 AM  
Headline: Why our food is making us fat

It took them a long time to say "because we're eating too much of it"
 
2012-06-12 11:27:45 AM  
Up a rickety staircase at the Newarke Houses Museum in Leicester, England hangs a portrait of Britain's first obese man, painted in 1806. Daniel Lambert weighed 53st (335kg) and was considered a medical oddity.

upload.wikimedia.org

Would like a word.
 
2012-06-12 11:29:27 AM  
The specially designed ambulance carries an array of bariatric gizmos including a "spatula" to help with people who have fallen out of bed or, on a recent occasion, an obese man jammed between the two walls in his hallway.

I used to know some folks who had a ridiculously fat weiner dog, that periodically would become too fat to walk. Their solution was to move the food bowl away from the dog until it slimmed down enough to walk to the food bowl. I'm not advocating animal cruelty, but really, if you're so fat you get stuck in your own hallway, can't you just wait a few days until you can slip out?
 
2012-06-12 11:31:18 AM  
So government got us to eating more corn and now we're fat.

I always said the food pyramid was stupid and we should have stuck with the 4 food groups.

We were much thinner when we had the 4 food groups.
 
2012-06-12 11:42:00 AM  
FTA "Who is responsible for making us fat?"

YOU ARE

Put down the snacks and go for a walk.
 
2012-06-12 11:49:19 AM  

Pixiest: So government got us to eating more corn and now we're fat.

I always said the food pyramid was stupid and we should have stuck with the 4 food groups.

We were much thinner when we had the 4 food groups.


Yep. The same food that was used to fatten our burgers has been fed to us for the past 30 years. Maybe we're really just being fattened for the kill.
 
2012-06-12 11:50:25 AM  
Americans are so fat they think in shape women are skinny.
 
2012-06-12 11:56:19 AM  
If you're interested in how the food industry you should read the Omnivore's Dilemma. It's a really interesting read about how every processed food we eat has some sort of corn product in it. I think something like 40% of products in the typical grocery store contains corn. Most of our sugar comes from corn and most of our protein comes from soy beans. And the more processed something is the less your body has to work to digest it because it's already been so chemically and mechanically broken down. Think about that the next time you're eating a dorito taco with fake hamburger mush on it.
 
2012-06-12 12:06:04 PM  
Mercury doesn't help either:


Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury
Wednesday, January 28, 2009; 12:00 AM

Almost half of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ content/article/2009/01/26/AR200 9 012601831.html
 
2012-06-12 12:19:04 PM  

mcreadyblue: Mercury doesn't help either:


Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury
Wednesday, January 28, 2009; 12:00 AM

Almost half of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ content/article/2009/01/26/AR200 9 012601831.html


Also, the ratio published by food manufacturers of HFCS is not what the actual ratios are. Link

This is why your body doesn't metabolize HFCS the same way even though it's supposed to have the same ratio as sugar.
 
2012-06-12 12:22:57 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: If you're interested in how the food industry you should read the Omnivore's Dilemma. It's a really interesting read about how every processed food we eat has some sort of corn product in it. I think something like 40% of products in the typical grocery store contains corn. Most of our sugar comes from corn and most of our protein comes from soy beans. And the more processed something is the less your body has to work to digest it because it's already been so chemically and mechanically broken down. Think about that the next time you're eating a dorito taco with fake hamburger mush on it.


I assure you, when I'm eating ANYTHING from Taco Bell, the last thing I want to think about is where it came from.
 
2012-06-12 12:24:07 PM  
How many of these farking articles have we read over the past 20 years or so trying to explain why we're getting fat? How many billions of dollars have we spent in studies?

Want to not be fat? Here's what you do. You eat less, make what you DO eat healthier, and exercise. That's it. Period. It's not gonna be fun, and there's no secret.
 
2012-06-12 12:33:58 PM  

Marine1: How many of these farking articles have we read over the past 20 years or so trying to explain why we're getting fat? How many billions of dollars have we spent in studies?

Want to not be fat? Here's what you do. You eat less, make what you DO eat healthier, and exercise. That's it. Period. It's not gonna be fun, and there's no secret.


No dude, you are so wrong....it is clearly glandular. And let me say this, according to most fatties i know, they insist their bodies are defying Newtonian laws of thermodynamics and creating mass out of nothing...they don't snack or eat bad food or hell, they don't even eat very much at all...it must be magic...fat magic.
 
2012-06-12 12:39:43 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: Been saying this for a long time now. Fat-free foods are often/generally far worse than the full fat alternative.


*opens fridge, looks for 'full fat' carrots, celery and tomatoes*
 
2012-06-12 12:42:38 PM  
People are fat for a variety of reasons, none of them being singular in origin. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
 
2012-06-12 12:53:51 PM  

Dude O Matic 5000: People are fat for a variety of reasons, none of them being singular in origin. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.


Scientists are years aways from a Unified Field Theory of Fat-Bastardism.
 
2012-06-12 12:57:24 PM  
The prevalence of HFCS and the rise in obesity is definitely more than a coincidence.
 
2012-06-12 01:29:04 PM  

Nurglitch: Dude O Matic 5000: People are fat for a variety of reasons, none of them being singular in origin. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

Scientists are years aways from a Unified Field Theory of Fat-Bastardism.


Fat people are ugly on the outside because they are ugly on the inside. Simple as that.
 
2012-06-12 02:03:26 PM  
A combination of economic factors, misleading advertising, misleading food labels and the FDA who approves them, sedentary lifestyles, genetics and upbringing are all responsible pieces of this puzzle. There is so much misleading information out there that the right advice hides in the background as fad diets, foods and other such things scream at consumers to get out their credit cards.

Speaking from personal experience, as a girl who has been overweight most of her life, the blame is not entirely on the individual, but the individual is far from absolved of any blame. Years ago, I dropped over 100 lbs and maintained it for 2 years, proving to myself that a little research and some common sense does the job. Unfortunately, I got Lupus, but it took me 4 years to find a doctor who knew what the ____ they were doing and get proper treatment. Until that time, I stopped exercising because I had no balance, no strength, swollen joints, vasculitis which drove up my blood pressure, microcytic anemia which winded me, and neuropathy. Then came the depression in seeing all that hard work go down the drain. The pounds quickly packed back on as I laid in my recliner, night after night, barely able to move, feeling sorry for myself and eating anything and everything under the sun.

Despite my medical issues, I am just as much to blame for my current weight as Lupus is, but I'm only human. I don't judge people who are overweight, simply because I don't walk in their shoes. We can work to fix the problem within ourselves, but there's little we can do to ward off the amount of influence that the food industry has over the regulators in order to put less and less nutritional value in increasingly higher priced items.

/cue picture of Dr. House
 
2012-06-12 02:04:57 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: The prevalence of HFCS and the rise in obesity is definitely more than a coincidence.


It's way more than just HFCS. Search on 'fast food vs obesity' for lots of really depressing information.

Short answer: it's fats, sugars, simple carbs, too many calories and not enough exercise.

There's no mystery here.
 
2012-06-12 02:43:33 PM  

asmodeus224: Marine1: How many of these farking articles have we read over the past 20 years or so trying to explain why we're getting fat? How many billions of dollars have we spent in studies?

Want to not be fat? Here's what you do. You eat less, make what you DO eat healthier, and exercise. That's it. Period. It's not gonna be fun, and there's no secret.

No dude, you are so wrong....it is clearly glandular. And let me say this, according to most fatties i know, they insist their bodies are defying Newtonian laws of thermodynamics and creating mass out of nothing...they don't snack or eat bad food or hell, they don't even eat very much at all...it must be magic...fat magic.


Its dismissive stupidity like this that will ensure the issue is never adequately addressed. But ignoring that there are real reasons why people are more likely to be overweight today than 30 years ago just plays into the modern right-wing world view that people today are lazier than ever. Its another level of justification for hating your country so you can absolve yourself of any fiscal or social responsibility for it without any pangs of guilt. Its not your fault that someone dies in the gutter, its because they were lazy, fat, and stupid.
 
2012-06-12 02:46:10 PM  

GoddessofSnowandIce: Speaking from personal experience, as a girl who has been overweight most of her life, the blame is not entirely on the individual, but the individual is far from absolved of any blame.


If the article is to be believed, fewer than 1,5% of people aren't to be blamed (assuming equal amounts of men and women in the population). It is highly unlikely that the obesity rate is sky-rocketing due to genetics or even certain medicines.

OT:

Another benefit of good old fashioned fat is that you get the feeling of being satiated much sooner and for a longer period than when the fat would be replaced for sugars.
 
2012-06-12 02:47:23 PM  

GoddessofSnowandIce: A combination of economic factors, misleading advertising, misleading food labels and the FDA who approves them, sedentary lifestyles, genetics and upbringing are all responsible pieces of this puzzle. There is so much misleading information out there that the right advice hides in the background as fad diets, foods and other such things scream at consumers to get out their credit cards.



This is a big one, and part of the cultural change we've had in the last century that's part of why we're becoming so fat as a society. We just don't move around much; we don't have to, and because of the form our entertainment takes, we don't want to.

Read about a study done at the Mayo Clinic not long ago ("Citation needed," blah blah blah. I'll find it.) They brought in a bunch of volunteers, controlled their caloric intake, and monitored their movement and metabolism. What happened was that the metabolism of these folks practically shut off after something like 1-2 hours of sitting. The result, IIRC, was that the loss of resting metabolic rate was so great that exercising later in the day wasn't likely to make up for the loss.

Which makes a lot of sense. You probably know fat people who eat less than 2000 calories a day but still remain fat. You probably know skinny people who say they never exercise but somehow stay skinny anyhow. It's metabolism, and sitting at a desk all day and on a couch all night is just as big a part of what's killing us as overeating is.

/I sound fat
 
2012-06-12 02:53:59 PM  

Pixiest: So government got us to eating more corn and now we're fat.

I always said the food pyramid was stupid and we should have stuck with the 4 food groups.

We were much thinner when we had the 4 food groups.


i197.photobucket.com

/q&d
 
2012-06-12 03:14:16 PM  

davideggy: Up a rickety staircase at the Newarke Houses Museum in Leicester, England hangs a portrait of Britain's first obese man, painted in 1806. Daniel Lambert weighed 53st (335kg) and was considered a medical oddity.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x379]

Would like a word.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-06-12 03:40:13 PM  

hstein3: GoddessofSnowandIce: A combination of economic factors, misleading advertising, misleading food labels and the FDA who approves them, sedentary lifestyles, genetics and upbringing are all responsible pieces of this puzzle. There is so much misleading information out there that the right advice hides in the background as fad diets, foods and other such things scream at consumers to get out their credit cards.



This is a big one, and part of the cultural change we've had in the last century that's part of why we're becoming so fat as a society. We just don't move around much; we don't have to, and because of the form our entertainment takes, we don't want to.

Read about a study done at the Mayo Clinic not long ago ("Citation needed," blah blah blah. I'll find it.) They brought in a bunch of volunteers, controlled their caloric intake, and monitored their movement and metabolism. What happened was that the metabolism of these folks practically shut off after something like 1-2 hours of sitting. The result, IIRC, was that the loss of resting metabolic rate was so great that exercising later in the day wasn't likely to make up for the loss.

Which makes a lot of sense. You probably know fat people who eat less than 2000 calories a day but still remain fat. You probably know skinny people who say they never exercise but somehow stay skinny anyhow. It's metabolism, and sitting at a desk all day and on a couch all night is just as big a part of what's killing us as overeating is.

/I sound fat


According to a few studies, if you lose weight, you must consume 20% fewer calories to maintain that weight than a person normally at the same weight until you body adjusts(2-3 years).

www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?pa g ewanted=all
 
2012-06-12 03:49:45 PM  

mcreadyblue: hstein3: GoddessofSnowandIce: A combination of economic factors, misleading advertising, misleading food labels and the FDA who approves them, sedentary lifestyles, genetics and upbringing are all responsible pieces of this puzzle. There is so much misleading information out there that the right advice hides in the background as fad diets, foods and other such things scream at consumers to get out their credit cards.



This is a big one, and part of the cultural change we've had in the last century that's part of why we're becoming so fat as a society. We just don't move around much; we don't have to, and because of the form our entertainment takes, we don't want to.

Read about a study done at the Mayo Clinic not long ago ("Citation needed," blah blah blah. I'll find it.) They brought in a bunch of volunteers, controlled their caloric intake, and monitored their movement and metabolism. What happened was that the metabolism of these folks practically shut off after something like 1-2 hours of sitting. The result, IIRC, was that the loss of resting metabolic rate was so great that exercising later in the day wasn't likely to make up for the loss.

Which makes a lot of sense. You probably know fat people who eat less than 2000 calories a day but still remain fat. You probably know skinny people who say they never exercise but somehow stay skinny anyhow. It's metabolism, and sitting at a desk all day and on a couch all night is just as big a part of what's killing us as overeating is.

/I sound fat

According to a few studies, if you lose weight, you must consume 20% fewer calories to maintain that weight than a person normally at the same weight until you body adjusts(2-3 years).

www.nytimes.com/2012/01/01/magazine/tara-parker-pope-fat-trap.html?pa g ewanted=all


From the article:

A full year after significant weight loss, these men and women remained in what could be described as a biologically altered state.

Their still-plump bodies were acting as if they were starving and were working overtime to regain the pounds they lost.

For instance, a gastric hormone called ghrelin, often dubbed the "hunger hormone," was about 20 percent higher than at the start of the study. Another hormone associated with suppressing hunger, peptide YY, was also abnormally low.

Levels of leptin, a hormone that suppresses hunger and increases metabolism, also remained lower than expected.

A cocktail of other hormones associated with hunger and metabolism all remained significantly changed compared to pre-dieting levels. It was almost as if weight loss had put their bodies into a unique metabolic state, a sort of post-dieting syndrome that set them apart from people who hadn't tried to lose weight in the first place.
 
2012-06-12 03:53:20 PM  
No one commenting on the article seems to understand that the crucial part is that sugar/carbs INCREASE apetite. If you eat a little for a "snack" it makes you hungry for more. This is obvious to me and I have witnessed it happening to myself over and over again.

If I have a little beef jerky for a snack, I'm done. I don't want anymore. If I have fruit, ice cream, jelly, crackers, whatever, I always want more.

My wife is a vegetarian. She says she is addicted to sugar and I believe her.

So, in short, sugar is the problem. Having said that, avoiding it is not impossible, though it can be more expensive or time-consuming to avoid.

1) If you're consuming sugar/carbs, eat it as part of a meal with lots of protein and saturated fat that makes you feel full faster.

2) Don't eat carbs/sugar for snacks. Only eat protein. But do snack regularly so you don't feel hungry an hour before mealtimes. Being hungry promotes gorging carbs.

3) Schedule a day for a sugary dessert. Don't pig out.

/$0.02USD
 
2012-06-12 05:19:33 PM  
I have a tendancy to actually keep one of my legs twitching, so my sitting heart rate isn't as low as someone who's completely still. I have to actively think about keeping my legs still so they don't move. It drives some people crazy, but there are studies suggesting it's a genetic survival trait.

/I still need to lose some weight.
 
2012-06-12 05:27:23 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: CPT Ethanolic: Been saying this for a long time now. Fat-free foods are often/generally far worse than the full fat alternative.

*opens fridge, looks for 'full fat' carrots, celery and tomatoes*


And you'd find them too. A medium, ripe red tomato has about 0.2g of fat in it. You don't think lipids are absent from fruits and vegetables, do you?

/Ever seen a low-fat tomato?
//Then they're all 'full fat'
 
2012-06-12 06:02:08 PM  
I don't understand why people believe eating fat will necessarily make you fat. That's like believing eating animal genitals will increase the size of your member. If you are going to discriminate against certain types of calories, I think anything that burns fast like sugar or some carbs would be the problem, not fat.

/don't have time to read the article, but it probably says something similar
 
2012-06-12 06:40:56 PM  

LasersHurt: Some people may also be fat because their bodies are not properly regulating angiogenesis, which can be repaired, in part, by dietary changes to include naturally anti-angiogenic compounds.


Those people are a small minority, unlike fat people.
 
2012-06-12 07:10:24 PM  

Eternal Virgin: LasersHurt: Some people may also be fat because their bodies are not properly regulating angiogenesis, which can be repaired, in part, by dietary changes to include naturally anti-angiogenic compounds.

Those people are a small minority, unlike fat people.


Sure, but even normal fat people can benefit from a diet rich in anti-angiogenic compounds. If there aren't enough blood vessels to feed the fat, it should get reabsorbed and sent to a greasy stool death.

Ew, actually.
 
2012-06-12 08:49:41 PM  

gopher321: Think I'll chow down on this can of Crisco.


You'd be better off with lard.

Srsly.
 
2012-06-12 08:52:09 PM  
I eat it all the time and I'm fat.

I also don't suffer from arthritis... unless I stop eating fat.

One pound rib-eye each night. Good diet.
 
2012-06-12 09:47:33 PM  
Here's a trick: eat more unprocessed vegetables, meats, and healthy fats like olive oil, less breads, pastas, starchy stuff, and don't eat any junk food like sweets, cakes, sugary sodas. You won't even need to exercise to lose weight. As for the "eat more of this" stuff, you can eat all you want until you're no longer hungry. Problem solved.

"B-b-b-b-but freedom of choice!"

OK, then you choose to be fat. And I'm not going to choose to pay to try and save your fat ass from Type-2 diabeetus or heart disease or both. Enjoy your dinner of Mountain Dew and Doritos and your early death.

/formerly husky, now moderately ripped.
 
2012-06-12 10:37:05 PM  
I had a great medical explanation typed out for this, then I realized most people probably don't care. Instead, I propose the following:

Randomized Controlled Trial/Death Race studying the population of Fark users:
-All Bacon Diet vs. All Soda Diet

-Even number of letters in your screen name = Bacon. Odd = Soda.
-The group with the most living members at the end of 5 years wins.

Do it for Science!
 
2012-06-12 11:32:18 PM  
Vegan diet, spiced with the occasional boiled egg or serving of pickled herring, it's the way to go
 
2012-06-12 11:35:26 PM  
I remember my grandma used to cook with lard, real butter and so on. She ate eggs, bacon, red meat, etc. But she also ate green leafy veggies, etc. No health problems. No weight issues.

I cook around here with lard, real butter, eggs, bacon, red meat, etc. We eat green leafy veggies and a balanced diet. But I also cook with olive oil, we eat plenty of fish and chicken as well. We do have soda around, but not a lot. I avoid shiat with HFCS in it if at all possible and try to make everything I can from scratch -- including my breads. I went to the store to buy some lard once. They didn't have it on the shelf so I went up to customer service to ask if they had any. While I am sitting there waiting for some stock boy to go find it, this lady next to me starts lecturing me about how unhealthy lard is, how it will give you heart disease and make you fat. The lady was probably 400 lbs, had a mega-sized soda in the front seat of her cart, four cases of soda under it and every frozen pre-processed food known to man in it and fat-free everything else. My cart? A bunch of veggies, simple ingredients and natural foods. And standing next to me, my two girls who are skinny and trim. Her son couldn't have been much older than 10 years old and he was so heavy you could hear his having labored breathing. Both the manager and I looked at each other when she left the counter and gave each other that knowing look, left speechless.

So yeah. The Fark headline might be an over simplification, but there is a little truth in it.
 
2012-06-13 12:05:46 AM  

dforkus: Vegan diet, spiced with the occasional boiled egg or serving of pickled herring, it's the way to go


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2012-06-13 01:32:01 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Been saying this for a long time now. Fat-free foods are often/generally far worse than the full fat alternative.


There's quite a bit of research that backs this up but still a lot of people refuse to accept it because it's the basic premise behind the Atkins Diet.
 
2012-06-13 01:35:07 AM  

Carth: Headline: Why our food is making us fat

It took them a long time to say "because we're eating too much of it"


I defy anyone to gain weight bu eating nothing but meat for a week. In fact I defy anyone to not lose weight doing this, regardless of how much meat they eat.
 
2012-06-13 02:10:33 AM  
"because they stopped consuming fat"

bullshiat. We're eating more fat than ever. The idea that we actually reduced our fat intake it the biggest lie and misunderstanding of the situation perpetuated by Atkins freaks. Yes the % of fat in our diet is down...but the sheer amount of fat is up. We just increased carbs at a higher rate than we increased fat consumption, so it "pushed" the % of fat down. That doesn't mean we're eating less fat.

We're eating more fat than ever. We're eating more sugar than ever, too. We're eating more calories than ever. Doesn't take a genius to see where that's going to lead. Yet people continue to make big stupid conspiracy theories out of all of it.
 
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