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(AZCentral)   Now that it looks like LeBron James will get his title, sport writers across America are doing about-faces and writing flattering stories about how great he is. "I've never seen a great player more ridiculed than he has been"   (azcentral.com) divider line 249
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2012-06-12 10:11:09 AM
Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.

I'm neutral on these Finals, but my entire reason for being ok with the Heat is how over-the-top people's reactions to them have been.
 
2012-06-12 10:15:59 AM
Actually, the Thunder are favored to win the series, both by people who actually think they're the better team and people who understand how Stern rigs things, if/when he does.
 
2012-06-12 10:17:02 AM
And by "people who actually think they're the better team" I mean Vegas, who has the Thunder as huge favorites (-160).
 
2012-06-12 10:18:32 AM

FreakinB: Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.


I'd agree with that. I think that The Decision was waaaaaay overhyped and a ridiculous PR circus disaster. The truth is, I'd like to see him Lebron a ring, just not in Miami. The Heat are the team of hubris and I can't root for that, but I don't think he's a bad guy.
 
2012-06-12 11:07:24 AM
Also, the quote in the headline is not from the author, but from the Phoenix Suns' Head Coach.
 
2012-06-12 11:32:34 AM
What?! The Heat is beating the Thunder in the series 3-0 already? Damn. And here I thought that the finals start today.
 
2012-06-12 01:09:35 PM

FreakinB: Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.

I'm neutral on these Finals, but my entire reason for being ok with the Heat is how over-the-top people's reactions to them have been.


Im with you.

I am hoping we get some amazing games out of the new faces of the NBA.
 
2012-06-12 01:09:54 PM
Wait, the Heat are going to win? I must be living in a fantasy world....
 
2012-06-12 01:12:37 PM

IAmRight: Actually, the Thunder are favored to win the series, both by people who actually think they're the better team and people who understand how Stern rigs things, if/when he does.


I was thinking about that the other day. To be honest, I think the Heat will win if Stern decides to rig it. The Heat clearly need this title to justify their strategy and the Thunder are young team who can get more chances. I'm looking at the Heat to win this year and the Thunder next. Who know though? Maybe Stern wants the Heat to fall by the wayside.
 
2012-06-12 01:15:11 PM

Lando Lincoln: What?! The Heat is beating the Thunder in the series 3-0 already? Damn. And here I thought that the finals start today.


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2012-06-12 01:17:08 PM

FreakinB: Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.

I'm neutral on these Finals, but my entire reason for being ok with the Heat is how over-the-top people's reactions to them have been.


I can't speak for all Lebron anti-fans, but for me "The Decision" was just the straw that broke the camels back. While he hasn't done anything near the douche-caliber of that since, he's still cursed with a huge ego and a lack of humility.

I still think he's the best player since Jordan, but he's got a bad attitude and plays a style of basketball I find boring to watch: The kind where a team's best player puts everyone on his back and doesn't pass the ball to anyone (Only 1 assist in Game7, and that was in garbage time).
 
2012-06-12 01:17:38 PM
Just remember, when LeBron said 'not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven', he did leave open the possibility of zero.
 
2012-06-12 01:18:47 PM

redmid17: To be honest, I think the Heat will win if Stern decides to rig it.


Stern is close, close friends with Bennett.
Stern and the owners were pissed about "The Decision" and the owners (Stern's employers) hate that players got to choose what teams they went to, circumventing them and their front offices.

There is no f*cking way in hell that Stern, if he's rigging it, would rig it for the team that basically caused the owners to get butthurt and stage a lockout and rig it against the guy he helped wrangle a team for.
 
2012-06-12 01:19:37 PM

damnproud1388: FreakinB: Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.

I'm neutral on these Finals, but my entire reason for being ok with the Heat is how over-the-top people's reactions to them have been.

I can't speak for all Lebron anti-fans, but for me "The Decision" was just the straw that broke the camels back. While he hasn't done anything near the douche-caliber of that since, he's still cursed with a huge ego and a lack of humility.

I still think he's the best player since Jordan, but he's got a bad attitude and plays a style of basketball I find boring to watch: The kind where a team's best player puts everyone on his back and doesn't pass the ball to anyone (Only 1 assist in Game7, and that was in garbage time).


You can not like the guy, but the bolded statement is completely, utterly false.
 
2012-06-12 01:19:52 PM

damnproud1388: but he's got a bad attitude and plays a style of basketball I find boring to watch: The kind where a team's best player puts everyone on his back and doesn't pass the ball to anyone (Only 1 assist in Game7, and that was in garbage time).


So, that was the first time you've watched him in your career, or what?

LeBron doesn't pass the ball to anyone...wow.
 
2012-06-12 01:21:30 PM

Langston: FreakinB: Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.

I'd agree with that. I think that The Decision was waaaaaay overhyped and a ridiculous PR circus disaster. The truth is, I'd like to see him Lebron a ring, just not in Miami. The Heat are the team of hubris and I can't root for that, but I don't think he's a bad guy.


This. In any case, Durant's the better player IMHO.
 
2012-06-12 01:21:57 PM
As a Cleveland fan, i dislike Wade and Reilly more than LeBron. I wouldn't mind seeing James excel in a losing Miami effort.
 
2012-06-12 01:22:37 PM

damnproud1388: I still think he's the best player since Jordan, but he's got a bad attitude and plays a style of basketball I find boring to watch: The kind where a team's best player puts everyone on his back and doesn't pass the ball to anyone (Only 1 assist in Game7, and that was in garbage time).


Obviously he's learned from experience that passing the ball is bad, since every time he's ever passed to a wide open teammate for a game-winning shot he's been crucified for it.
 
2012-06-12 01:22:53 PM

Rwa2play: Langston: FreakinB: Sigh, another one. I'll say it again: I think the backlash against him has been excessive relative to his actions. Two years is a long time to hold a grudge for what amounted to nothing more than a couple of PR mistakes.

I'd agree with that. I think that The Decision was waaaaaay overhyped and a ridiculous PR circus disaster. The truth is, I'd like to see him Lebron a ring, just not in Miami. The Heat are the team of hubris and I can't root for that, but I don't think he's a bad guy.

This. In any case, Durant's the better player IMHO.


Offensive player.
 
2012-06-12 01:23:30 PM

Rwa2play: This. In any case, Durant's the better player IMHO.


Your opinion is wrong. Durant's probably the better pure scorer, but Lebron is a better passer and much better defensively.
 
2012-06-12 01:25:09 PM
I don't hate lebron, I don't begrudge him MVP titles or being considered the best basketball player in the world. But I do think it would be poetic justice if he win zero championships after promising 8 (well, technically he promised 7), so that's the scenario I'm rooting for.
 
2012-06-12 01:26:06 PM

FireZs: if he win zero championships after promising 8


It was a farking pep rally.
 
2012-06-12 01:26:27 PM

Rwa2play: Durant's the better player IMHO scorer.


There isn't a person remotely connected to the NBA that feels Durant is a better defender or passer nor a better attacker in the lane. Amazingly, that stuff is a part of basketball.

Nobody doubts he has a better shot, though.
 
2012-06-12 01:27:32 PM

FireZs: (well, technically he promised 7)


Technically he promised nothing.

"I believe we can win multiple championships" is not a promise.
 
2012-06-12 01:28:58 PM
Did the Thunder die in a plane crash last night or something?
 
2012-06-12 01:29:05 PM

IAmRight: Actually, the Thunder are favored to win the series, both by people who actually think they're the better team and people who understand how Stern rigs things, if/when he does.


Would probably be good to pull attention from casual fans. Keeping LeBJ at 0 championships makes predetermined thugball at least somewhat amusing.
 
2012-06-12 01:29:06 PM

you have pee hands: Rwa2play: This. In any case, Durant's the better player IMHO.

Your opinion is wrong. Durant's probably the better pure scorer, but Lebron is a better passer and much better defensively.


Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).

LeBron doesn't have the killer instinct that Durant has and if you gave me the choice I'll take Durant FTW.

LeBron seems to not want to be *the guy* while Durant just does it.
 
2012-06-12 01:29:09 PM
Go Thunder, if only because we need to hear the clip of Jalen Rose singing "Young and Ready" more often on ESPN. lol
 
2012-06-12 01:29:22 PM

T.rex: As a Cleveland fan, i dislike Wade and Reilly more than LeBron. I wouldn't mind seeing James excel in a losing Miami effort.


Having many Cleveland friends, I can't imagine that being a popular sentiment over there regarding Lebron the Betrayer.
 
2012-06-12 01:30:12 PM

T.rex: As a Cleveland fan, i dislike Wade and Reilly more than LeBron. I wouldn't mind seeing James excel in a losing Miami effort.


Gentlemen, we've found the one rational Cleveland fan. Someone page CavalierEternal so he can take notes.
 
2012-06-12 01:30:17 PM
I just want Durant to win a ring before Lebron, that's it.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:00 PM

Rwa2play: Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).


I guess you missed LeBron's clinical dissection of the Celtics in the 4th quarter of game 7, when he repeatedly got into the lane for layups or free throws, then ripped their hearts out with a 35 foot three-pointer at the end of the shot clock.

Or, you know, his absurd 45/15/5 performance on the road in Game 6.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:10 PM

Rwa2play: Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).

LeBron doesn't have the killer instinct that Durant has and if you gave me the choice I'll take Durant FTW.


You didn't watch game six. Got it.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:18 PM

Rwa2play: LeBron doesn't have the killer instinct that Durant has and if you gave me the choice I'll take Durant FTW.


LeBron didnt have to close Game 6 out in the 4th because he closed it out in Quarters 1 through 3
 
2012-06-12 01:33:09 PM

Rwa2play: Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).


Yes, kids, LeBron has never closed games out! The only series that ever happened in his playoff career was the 2011 Finals!
 
2012-06-12 01:34:37 PM

Rwa2play: Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).

LeBron doesn't have the killer instinct that Durant has and if you gave me the choice I'll take Durant FTW.

LeBron seems to not want to be *the guy* while Durant just does it


This piece said it better than I ever could. There are times when he's done it and times when he hasn't. It's just that people only seem to remember the times when he hasn't.
 
2012-06-12 01:35:01 PM

Gunny Highway: FireZs: if he win zero championships after promising 8

It was a farking pep rally.


Uh, yeah and that's why people are still pissed at him.

See, it would've been one thing for LeBron to have given a statement, been low key about it and moved on. Hell, I feel everybody (even Clevleand fans) would've understood it and moved on.

But he goes ahead, has a friggin' TV show about it, then goes down to Miami and they have a pep rally around it as if it's set in stone that their gonna win title after title.

When you not only get the bullseye directed at you but actually encourage it, then it's out of your hands.
 
2012-06-12 01:35:16 PM

Rwa2play: Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).


Are entire basketball games played with 10 seconds left on the clock or something? You said Durant is a better player which isn't even remotely true except to people that ignore reality just to hate on LeBron.

Rwa2play: LeBron doesn't have the killer instinct that Durant has and if you gave me the choice I'll take Durant FTW.
LeBron seems to not want to be *the guy* while Durant just does it.


Game 5 2007 ECF - LeBron scores 25 straight points and 29 of his teams last 30 in the 4th quarter and OT.
Game 7 2008 ECSF - LeBron scores 45 against Boston, Cavs lose by 5. By god, he WILTED! He should've just scored 60 and won the game.
Game 6 2010 ECF - LeBron gives up and goes for 27/19/10. He gives up on his team with triple double. 30/20 gets laughed at as not being enough.
Game 4 2012 ECSF - LeBron goes for 40/20 to even the series
Game 6 2012 ECF - 45/15 with 30 in the first goddamn half

The guy sucks. He never wants to be "the guy".
 
2012-06-12 01:38:05 PM

bulldg4life: The guy sucks. He never wants to be "the guy".


You left off the game-winning 3 against Orlando in '09 in Game 2. Only averaged 35 points/game in the series, but clearly it was his fault the Cavs didn't win.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:19 PM

IAmRight: Actually, the Thunder are favored to win the series, both by people who actually think they're the better team and people who understand how Stern rigs things, if/when he does.


I knew you'd be among the first three people to post, but even I didn't think you'd be 3 of the first 5!

/did he ship you a game worn jock yet?
 
2012-06-12 01:38:45 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Or, you know, his absurd 45/15/5 performance on the road in Game 6.


Or the 40-19-9 he put up to even the Indiana series on the road. Maybe some of those points were in the first half though, I can't remember.

The Thunder have so much talent, though. This should be a really good series as long as Wade & Harden don't turn it into a flopfest.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:51 PM

Gunny Highway: FireZs: if he win zero championships after promising 8

It was a farking pep rally.


So he didn't really mean it?

IAmRight: FireZs: (well, technically he promised 7)

Technically he promised nothing.

"I believe we can win multiple championships" is not a promise.


He didn't say "multiple," he gave an actual numerical range: <1 or >7. And even if it's not a promise (which it was effectively, since that's how everyone took it; I don't think he's ever corrected people on that), I still think it would be poetic justice if he wins zero championships while believing he could win 8.
 
2012-06-12 01:38:54 PM

FreakinB: You can not like the guy, but the bolded statement is completely, utterly false.


And to add on to that, his assist was hardly garbage time ... here's a rundown of what led to it.

9:07 - LeBron layup & foul, 3pt play - 81-79 MIA
8:48 - Ray Allen 3pter - 82-81 BOS
7:58 - LeBron driving dunk - 83-82 MIA
7:16 - Bosh 3pter (LeBron assist) - 86-82 MIA
6:50 - LeBron makes 4-footer - 88-82 MIA
6:09 - Brandon Bass jumper - 88-84 MIA
5:43 - LeBron makes 31-foot 3pter - 91-84 MIA

Truly gutless.
 
2012-06-12 01:40:18 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Rwa2play: Except Durant can actually close out games (see game 4 v. the Lakers).

I guess you missed LeBron's clinical dissection of the Celtics in the 4th quarter of game 7, when he repeatedly got into the lane for layups or free throws, then ripped their hearts out with a 35 foot three-pointer at the end of the shot clock.

Or, you know, his absurd 45/15/5 performance on the road in Game 6.


Hmmmmm, I seem to remember LeBron having a 48-point game v. the Pistons...and then get swept by the Spurs.

So, yeah, I've seen the script before...let's see if the ending's different this time.
 
2012-06-12 01:41:12 PM

Rwa2play: Gunny Highway: FireZs: if he win zero championships after promising 8

See, it would've been one thing for LeBron to have given a statement, been low key about it and moved on. Hell, I feel everybody (even Clevleand fans) would've understood it and moved on.


Yeah dude's such a bastard for finding a creative way to raise $2 million for a children's charity. Awful guy. Much worse than all those sports figures commiting infedelity, getting domestic violence charges, and getting convicted of vehicular manslaughter.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:19 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Truly gutless.


Reminds me of a thread during the Indiana series. Someone mentions that the game is still close after the Pacers get a big three to pull with one or two.

LeBron scores 6 straight points off of 2 turnovers and a miss. Same group of people says LeBron is scoring with the game out of reach.

*face palm*
 
2012-06-12 01:42:22 PM
The big stage starts tonight, let's see how he does. He better bring some of that Eastern Conference Finals mojo he constantly has to the Finals Finals, or else he's in for another year of shiat.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:47 PM

Gunny Highway: It was a farking pep rally.


And until and unless he delivers, he'll be hearing about that pep rally. You crow about winning eight titles when you've gone perhaps the first half of your career without any, you best get cracking.
 
2012-06-12 01:43:11 PM

Rwa2play: Hmmmmm, I seem to remember LeBron having a 48-point game v. the Pistons...and then get swept by the Spurs.


So, you remember the game where he was "that guy" who did everything to will his team to victory and close out a HUGE road game.....but because of something that happened in a completely different series doesn't count?
 
2012-06-12 01:43:54 PM

Rwa2play: Hmmmmm, I seem to remember LeBron having a 48-point game v. the Pistons...and then get swept by the Spurs.

So, yeah, I've seen the script before...let's see if the ending's different this time


Yeah, because beating a Duncan/Parker/Ginobili team when the next-best player on your team is Larry Hughes is so incredibly easy. The fact that team even made it that far was incredible.
 
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