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(STLToday)   City excise commissioner tells homebrew beer club holding their sixth annual homebrew beer festival they can't serve homebrew beer because giving samples of their legally brewed homebrew beer is illegal   (stltoday.com) divider line 86
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-06-12 09:20:29 AM
Some of these laws started as attempts to protect small business from big business and now work the opposite way. Where I live you're either a big brewery or a small one. Big breweries must sell through distributors, they can't set up their own outlet stores to put small liquor stores out of business. Small breweries can sell their own beer. Recently the state changed rules to make it difficult to get a small brewery license: you have to use locally grown hops. Most license holders can't do that. So big business found a way to reverse the law to stomp on smaller competitition.
 
2012-06-12 09:41:01 AM
the beer i drink is awesome. the beer you drink sucks.
 
2012-06-12 09:42:42 AM

Andrew Wiggin: the beer i drink is awesome. the beer you drink sucks.


One of these threads? Oh good!

Ahem. OHIO BEERS ROCK, WOOOO!

Am I doing this right?
 
2012-06-12 09:45:29 AM
What if you just left little paper cups of your beer sitting on a table and people passing by stole them?
 
2012-06-12 09:45:30 AM
A friend (this in Canada) started a small brewing company a few years ago; amazing how many hoops he had to jump through. Like weighing all the wastage so it can be tracked. He was allowed to give out samples not exceeding a couple of ounces if you toured the place. He even had to buy his own beer, it was that tightly controlled.
 
2012-06-12 09:45:47 AM
St. Louis is an evil place. Here's hoping that Schlafley, O'Fallon, and Boulevard have a lobbyist who can get this overturned in Jefferson City.
 
2012-06-12 09:46:18 AM
Brought to you from the home of Anhueser Busch.
 
2012-06-12 09:48:56 AM
When dealing with bureaucrats like this, there are three steps:

1. Petition clown town council
2. Tar, feathers, fence rail.
3. Guillotine
 
2012-06-12 09:49:14 AM
As a Homebrewer myself that just sucks.
fark St. Louis

My Beer is better than yours oh and Budweiser SUCKS!
 
2012-06-12 09:49:35 AM

Tomahawk513: Andrew Wiggin: the beer i drink is awesome. the beer you drink sucks.

One of these threads? Oh good!

Ahem. OHIO BEERS ROCK, WOOOO!

Am I doing this right?


Hey, I've got a great joke about American beer and sexual intercouse on a small boat. You ever heard it?
 
2012-06-12 09:49:54 AM
meanwhile giving free samples of bath salts is perfectly legal. and in TOUCH with the general population.
 
2012-06-12 09:50:01 AM
Don't call it beer. It is a hop based dietary supplement. It makes fat women attractive. Duh.
 
2012-06-12 09:51:31 AM
Douche.
 
2012-06-12 09:52:56 AM

ZAZ: Some of these laws started as attempts to protect small business from big business and now work the opposite way. Where I live you're either a big brewery or a small one. Big breweries must sell through distributors, they can't set up their own outlet stores to put small liquor stores out of business. Small breweries can sell their own beer. Recently the state changed rules to make it difficult to get a small brewery license: you have to use locally grown hops. Most license holders can't do that. So big business found a way to reverse the law to stomp on smaller competitition.


Big Alchohol is actively lobbying states to impose/increase taxes required to distribute alchohol across state lines. This is an attempt to limit smaller breweries/wineries into having to go through them if they wish to expand. Farking mafia tactics. Thank god that MN told the lobbyists to fark off.
 
2012-06-12 09:56:02 AM
In Ohio you can't "give" away free alcohol, even in sample sizes. That is why if you go to a winery and do a tasting afterwards, they ask for a quarter for each sample.

Of course, one place had a bucket full of quarters they were handing out for free before the tour...
 
2012-06-12 09:56:50 AM

H31N0US: Brought to you from the home of Anhueser Busch.


anheuser busch is a major sponsor of the homebrew event.
 
2012-06-12 09:58:41 AM

ZAZ: Some of these laws started as attempts to protect small business from big business and now work the opposite way. Where I live you're either a big brewery or a small one. Big breweries must sell through distributors, they can't set up their own outlet stores to put small liquor stores out of business. Small breweries can sell their own beer. Recently the state changed rules to make it difficult to get a small brewery license: you have to use locally grown hops. Most license holders can't do that. So big business found a way to reverse the law to stomp on smaller competitition.


BIG BUSINESS IS ALWAYS ALTRUISTIC AND NEVER DOES A THING THAT IS NOT IN OUR COLLECTIVE BEST INTERESTS
 
2012-06-12 09:59:45 AM
But they got a free ticket to the festival.

/the ticket is cursed
 
2012-06-12 10:01:30 AM
Yay for more regulations! Some of us have been telling you big business has been doing this for years, but we always get shouted down for.causing the bank failures. This is the most common form of new regulation. In many California towns, for example, big signs or window signs are not allowed. Why? Cheapest form of advertisement. Current business is exempt however. Can we have a talk about honest regulations yet? This is what happens when.government keeps expanding its role in society. It is too expensive to start new business today.
 
2012-06-12 10:01:32 AM
Ok, just a few clarifications here:

1. It has always been illegal to sell your homebrew

2. This ruling only applies to dispensing homebrew at an event that charges an admission fee

3. Any festival where you can get in for free, you can still dispense homebrew

4. As a homebrewer, I'm not terribly worked up about this. They were planning to dispense over 1000 gallons of beer. This is a big time event.
 
2012-06-12 10:01:43 AM

Diogenes: ZAZ: Some of these laws started as attempts to protect small business from big business and now work the opposite way. Where I live you're either a big brewery or a small one. Big breweries must sell through distributors, they can't set up their own outlet stores to put small liquor stores out of business. Small breweries can sell their own beer. Recently the state changed rules to make it difficult to get a small brewery license: you have to use locally grown hops. Most license holders can't do that. So big business found a way to reverse the law to stomp on smaller competitition.

BIG BUSINESS IS ALWAYS ALTRUISTIC AND NEVER DOES A THING THAT IS NOT IN OUR COLLECTIVE BEST INTERESTS


No! THIS IS UNTRUE! BIG BUSINESS IS CURRENTLY UNABLE TO BE ALTRUISTIC BECAUSE OF REGULATIONS AND LAWS THAT PREVENT THEM FROM ACTING AS TRULY FREE MARKET RATIONAL ACTOR TYPE CORPORATE PERSONS! WE NEED FEWER REGULATIONS TO FREE CORPORATIONS AND BIG BUSINESS TO TRULY SHOW US HOW TO BE HUMAN!!!!!

(except for this regulation, which is clearly regulation to protect the GLORIOUS FREE MARKET from the communist influence of the modern bourgeois and their small business dreams)
 
2012-06-12 10:02:34 AM
I'll be honest. I was more interested in reading the 17 year old complaining to dear Abby about losing her virginity than TFA
 
2012-06-12 10:02:49 AM
They just have to get together and get the law changed. Or get something added to it that says they can give it away at the annual festival.

I think.
 
2012-06-12 10:03:41 AM

Citrate1007: Big Alchohol is actively lobbying states to impose/increase taxes required to distribute alchohol across state lines. This is an attempt to limit smaller breweries/wineries into having to go through them if they wish to expand. Farking mafia tactics. Thank god that MN told the lobbyists to fark off.


I know there's a lot of back-and-forth over the Commerce Clause of the U. S. Constitution right now, but what you mention there is PRECISELY the reason for the clause's existence. Action by the states in restraint of interstate trade can be overruled by Congress...that is, assuming anyone can be found to carry that particular banner...

/homebrewer
//yes, my beer's good, but I bet yours is too - there are VERY few BAD beers
 
2012-06-12 10:12:22 AM
Politicians: People whose job it is to convince you to pay them to stop you from having any fun.
 
2012-06-12 10:12:42 AM

Andrew Wiggin: the beer i drink is awesome. the beer you drink sucks.


But what if we drink the same beer?
 
2012-06-12 10:14:49 AM
I wonder what it feels like to have a clydesdale's hoof up my arse.
 
2012-06-12 10:15:22 AM
Simple solution. Charge a penny per sample.
 
2012-06-12 10:16:11 AM
Laws like these are very common, you'd be surprised. Wisconsin of all places just got a similar law overturned - I think, it's been such a long and drawn-out battle I lost track of where it was.

There are some states like Alabama where homebrewing technically isn't even legal - although there was a bill to overturn that this session, I don't know where that one ended up, either.

Alcohol laws in this country are just generally out of control and make no sense. It's like this perfect storm of jackasses when religious busybodies, big corporations, and government tax/regulate addicts all get together.

The Craft Beer industry and the Homebrewing Hobby are both exploding right now, and people/states who can pull their heads out of their asses and get with the program are currently being rewarded for it. Ask North Carolina where not one (Sierra Nevada) but two (New Belgium) Craft Breweries have expanded their east coast operations.
 
2012-06-12 10:16:57 AM

Andrew Wiggin: the beer i drink is awesome. the beer you drink sucks.


You've never even heard of the beer I drink.
 
2012-06-12 10:17:11 AM
Tadpole

Don't call it beer. It is a hop based dietary supplement. It makes fat women attractive. Duh.

As long as it is bitter and chewable, I'll take two!
 
2012-06-12 10:19:12 AM
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Look dude, you don't know beer. This 348 minute ipa i had for breakfast is beyond the comprehension of your limited and simplistic kiddy palette. Quit drinking that American piss you call beer, and have real one. Oh and drink it warm too cause that's the way real beer is supposed to be enjoyed. Ahh ok, theres the right one.
 
2012-06-12 10:19:22 AM
Andrew Wiggin: the beer i drink is awesome. the beer you drink sucks.

But what if we drink the same beer?


My palette is more refined so I'm better able to appreciate it. You're probably not even drinking it in the right glass you philistine. Also, I homebrew, so unless you've been stealing beer out of my fridge, we're not drinking the same beer.

/my beer is awesome because I made it just the way I like it.
 
2012-06-12 10:22:35 AM
Lord Thorn:

/homebrewer
//yes, my beer's good, but I bet yours is too - there are VERY few BAD beers


You're right man. I'm a homebrewer also and just want to say I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. Some are better than others, but very few are bad. I'm gonna keep drinking beer looking for them though, just to warn people when I find one.
 
2012-06-12 10:26:58 AM

jayphat: I'll be honest. I was more interested in reading the 17 year old complaining to dear Abby about losing her virginity than TFA


Alright, back to the website....

Meh, boring.

/ok, still giggity
 
2012-06-12 10:27:48 AM
This sucks, for the home brewers that donated for this event. I have no doubt that a private event will be held soon to sample the beers.

AB, Schlafly, and O'Fallon are strong supporters of the home brew effort. AB every now and then will have excess grain they will give away to home brewers, Schlafly will occasional give away the yeast they use (you bring the sanitized container), and O'Fallon will do the same plus they host our monthly brewers meeting at their brewery.
 
2012-06-12 10:34:20 AM
NO BEER FOR YOU!
 
2012-06-12 10:34:41 AM

Citrate1007: ZAZ: Some of these laws started as attempts to protect small business from big business and now work the opposite way. Where I live you're either a big brewery or a small one. Big breweries must sell through distributors, they can't set up their own outlet stores to put small liquor stores out of business. Small breweries can sell their own beer. Recently the state changed rules to make it difficult to get a small brewery license: you have to use locally grown hops. Most license holders can't do that. So big business found a way to reverse the law to stomp on smaller competitition.

Big Alchohol is actively lobbying states to impose/increase taxes required to distribute alchohol across state lines. This is an attempt to limit smaller breweries/wineries into having to go through them if they wish to expand. Farking mafia tactics. Thank god that MN told the lobbyists to fark off.


They told them to fark off now, but they'll come with enough money soon enough to get their way. Don't you even worry.
 
2012-06-12 10:43:18 AM
"We'd like to have a private event for homebrewers, friends and families. And we'd like to do it soon -- because there's been a lot of beer brewed for this festival."

Sounds like they need opinionated, know-it-all beer snobs, en masse. So...Fark party, then?
 
2012-06-12 10:45:32 AM

wholedamnshow: Simple solution. Charge a penny per sample.


That would require a liquor license.
 
2012-06-12 10:51:11 AM

NewWorldDan: My palette is more refined so I'm better able to appreciate it.


Your palette may be more refined, but I'll guarantee mine is more colorful than yours.

My palate, however, is another story.
 
2012-06-12 10:51:37 AM
H31N0US: Brought to you from the home of Anhueser Busch Belgian-Brazilian multinational conglomerate InBev.

/ftfy
 
2012-06-12 10:53:18 AM

Tadpole: Don't call it beer. It is a hop based dietary supplement. It makes fat women attractive. Duh.


Chock-full of vitamin B-1!
 
2012-06-12 10:54:44 AM
I just bottled 70 gallons of Mead, Cyser, Melomel, Cider and some insanely alchoholic pancake syrup.

Does that count?
 
2012-06-12 10:55:32 AM
As a homebrewer who drank homebrew at a beer festival last weekend that I paid to get into, I'm getting a real kick...
 
2012-06-12 10:57:18 AM

jfivealive: Quit drinking that American piss you call beer, and have real one. Oh and drink it warm too cause that's the way real beer is supposed to be enjoyed. Ahh ok, theres the right one.


In defense of good taste:
Most of those big "American Beers" are rice beer. Especially bud and coors (no capitals nec.) That is why they taste like nothing and are best served ice cold, so you can't taste the nothing.
 
2012-06-12 10:59:31 AM
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-06-12 10:59:58 AM

wholedamnshow: Simple solution. Charge a penny per sample.


The whole reason they can't be at this festival is because people are paying to get in. They are, in the most technical of senses, "selling" their beer, which I'm guessing is illegal where they are. That's why they have to have a free event to get rid of it.
 
2012-06-12 11:02:17 AM

NewWorldDan: Ok, just a few clarifications here:

1. It has always been illegal to sell your homebrew

2. This ruling only applies to dispensing homebrew at an event that charges an admission fee

3. Any festival where you can get in for free, you can still dispense homebrew

4. As a homebrewer, I'm not terribly worked up about this. They were planning to dispense over 1000 gallons of beer. This is a big time event.


You can take your logic and clarifications and GTFO. They have no place here, and i am offended by your attempt to subdue my anger with your logic and facts.

//also a homebrewer
///would love to go to a festival with 1000 gallons of homebrew
|/_... these slashies represent me as i fall over after attending such an event
 
2012-06-12 11:04:09 AM

jfivealive: Oh and drink it warm too cause that's the way real beer is supposed to be enjoyed. Ahh ok, theres the right one.


You can drink your beer at whatever temp you want, it's your beer and I don't concern myself with how you enjoy it.

That said, I prefer to drink my beer at cellar temps (~45F) because I can taste so much more of the beer, which is why I drink it. When a beer is at or near freezing temps, I can't taste anything, so I don't see the point.

I had a Northern English Brown that I brewed this fall that went from fine to good to great as it warmed up, which really helped me appreciate the effect of temperature on taste.

To each their own though. I don't judge you for the temperature at which you drink your beer, all I ask is the same respect in return.
 
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