FloydA: GAT_00: Wangiss: Double the taxes! Triple the taxes! Squeeze every drop out of those insolent, musical peasants.

Don't forget, more tax cuts on the rich will fix everything! Never mind how, they totally will!

It will trickle down, by and by, we just have to do it harder. The reason that the wealth hasn't tricked down at all, even one cent, for the past 32 years is that we just haven't been kind enough to the top 1%.

I swear, I don't know what it'll take to convince the supply-siders that trickle down doesn't work. It'll probably never happen, because Jim Bob down in Wanksburg, AL, believes whatever bullshiat Karl Rove's slinging with a gold plated shovel bought by the Koch Brothers, and he just knows he'll be one of them billionuhmaires someday so he don't want to pay that outright Communisms top bracket, so he's sure not voting for somebody with a D after their name, because Better Dead Than Red!

At this point, we need Paul Krugman to forge a guillotine from his beard and cock, name it "The Paradox of Thrift," set it up on Wall Street, and use it execute Grover Norquist, followed by anyone who uses the phrase "You can't spend your way out of a recession!"

Double the taxes! Triple the taxes! Squeeze every drop out of those insolent, musical peasants.

In before somebody chimes in with airtight advice for how to get high paying jobs, like going into engineering...

That's why (if I was American) I'd vote republican.

quickdraw: kmmontandon: At this point, we need Paul Krugman to forge a guillotine from his beard and cock, name it "The Paradox of Thrift," set it up on Wall Street, and use it execute Grover Norquist, followed by anyone who uses the phrase "You can't spend your way out of a recession!"

dude..... I think I love you.

If the only thing a Nobel Prizewinning economist can do to save the country is kill people with his dick, I'd say we've passed the point of no return.

MemeSlave: You could always try getting a job.

Taxes so unfair.
Half my millions taxed away.
Your food stamps untouched.

Kali-Yuga: Ishkur: I think the question you should be asking isn't "Why should I pay taxes on property I own?" but rather "Why should the rest of us permit you to own property if you don't want to pay for the infrastructure necessary to ensure that ownership?"

Not if "pay for the infrastructure" is just code for giving hand-outs to the poor.

If it helps you sleep at night, don't call it "hand-outs to the poor". Call it "guillotine insurance".

> What's wrong with providing for the poor?

We hates them. They wants our precious.

Notabunny: Are you saying we should wear tights, or live communally with men? Because I have skinny legs and can't sleep if someone's snoring.

We've found our Maid Marian.

kmmontandon: I swear, I don't know what it'll take to convince the supply-siders that trickle down doesn't work.

Umm...I think you are missing the real goal.

Wangiss: Double the taxes! Triple the taxes! Squeeze every drop out of those insolent, musical peasants.

Don't forget, more tax cuts on the rich will fix everything! Never mind how, they totally will!

Kali-Yuga: ialdabaoth: If it helps you sleep at night, don't call it "hand-outs to the poor". Call it "guillotine insurance".

I'd be in Galt's Gulch before it got to that point.

I doubt you'd be in so deep that a mob of angry peasants couldn't pull you out of him.

Kali-Yuga: Ishkur: I think the question you should be asking isn't "Why should I pay taxes on property I own?" but rather "Why should the rest of us permit you to own property if you don't want to pay for the infrastructure necessary to ensure that ownership?"

Not if "pay for the infrastructure" is just code for giving hand-outs to the poor.

The less fortunate get all the breaks!

Society can no longer live under the 1%, in other words, its existence is no longer compatible with society."

Isn't it funny how you can take the communist manifesto, and replace the words bourgeoisie and proletariat with 99% and 1% and it looks exactly like the complaints the occupiers are making?

Someone bring J.P. Morgan back from the dead. I just watch watch him start throwing everyone on Wall Street out of their offices, starting with JPMorgan.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ambivalence: The My Little Pony Killer: In before somebody chimes in with airtight advice for how to get high paying jobs, like going into engineering...

I was going to say stripping but then I realized....no one really wants to see most of us naked.

Hell... I don't want to see myself naked

/I can't help but cry

Pints of Häagen-Dazs for everyone. We can cry together.

/I'll even let you eat real ice cream if you want

Ishkur: Before then, the vast majority of the working populace lived in appalling conditions.

Now if everyone pulls together, we can bring back those days of yore! Who's with me?!



... the poor aren't so bad, just spread some raspberry jam on 'em!

busy chillin': It goes against capitalism to help the employees make more money.

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Crank these bad boys up to high and all of our problems go away.

intelligent comment below: Thunderpipes: Rich pay more taxes now than they ever had.


Citation needed

He could type it again in all caps if you like...

Still relevant

But the Government bears absolutely no responsibility for this whatsoever. Nope, not a bit. All the State has done is artificially manipulate markets in such a way that prices have soared, and basic human services are so expensive that the state has to massively tax us in order to under deliver those services, while wasting trillions on failed military and law enforcement initiatives.

So keep voting for the same ol' same ol', and things will continue to get better for you! Keep blaming the evil rich, Comrade! It is they who keep you down!

Socialism and wealth redistribution... NOW.

Mr. Right: Father_Jack: Mr. Right: Employer paid health insurance (the government mandate) will have the same effect. A huge chunk of a worker's productivity will be confiscated by the employer and spent, supposedly, on the worker's behalf. The problem is that no matter how healthy the worker may keep himself, he will never see a dividend on that insurance premium unless he used medical services. Which, of course, will lead to increased demand and rising prices for medical services.

mr right,

Thanks for your thoughtful and polite post. Your Randian libertarian roots are showing but that's ok. :)

I would like to point out this is incorrect, however. If more people had insurance, ie, it was mandated by the govt for everyone to buy a policy, this would put more money into the insurance pots, and lower the risks to the insurance company of any single individual taking out too much for illness and costing the insurer too much money. Having more people in the insurance pool lowers premiums. This means that the premiums go down since the risk is spread across more people. So I don't think you have your supply and demand causality worked out correctly here.

History has already proven me correct. For several years, insurance would not cover office visits but it would cover emergency room visits. Immediately, everything became an emergency room visit. About 40 years ago, I was working on a construction job, jumped off a ladder and on to a nail, right through my foot. My insurance only covered major medical - pretty common in the day. I called my doctor's office, told him what had happened, I wasn't bleeding to death or anything so his office made room for me pretty quickly, I went in, was treated, had a quick X-ray to make sure no bones were broken, got a tetanus shot, wrote a check for $25.00, which paid for everything, and went back to work, just a little bit more careful about going down ladders instead of jumping off to save a few seconds. Fast forward to about 2 years ago when ...

Not sure how the anecdotatal story you told refutes my point... if anything you sound like youre advocating single payer care to do away with the legions of admins who must go thru the paperwork shenanigans whenever anyone's admitted to hospital because there are so many insurers and insurance products on the market it makes administration and processing of claims a nightmare. If everyone had the same policy that wouldn't be an issue now would it?

My equivalent story:
Torn tendon in my knee. Went to the clinic (not the ER, not the regular dr) in phoenix Arizona. Went thru 3 separate nursing stations where I signed papers swearing to pay, not to sue, I understand their privacy policy (so glad to know the hospitals will keep my data to sell to marketers) yadda yadda 3 hrs later finally see a dr.

Torn tendon in my knee (do it once, you do it more than once) here in switzerland. Go to the ER. Swipe a card. See a dr. immediately.

And re: rand, your posts have a libertarian "govt is theft and takes from productive members of society" feel to it, which is championed heavily by Objectivists, ie, the Rand fetishists. Assuming you're in your 50s/60s based on your story, youre much too old to be a standard Rand fan, since the typical rand fan seems to be the privileged white republican male, aged 17-25. Most sensible folks out grow Rand, but her stuff is an important developmental phase in people and her influence is very important in libertarian thinking, much the way marx is in hardcore leftists or hitler is in the teaparty.

ialdabaoth: Debeo Summa Credo: ialdabaoth: cretinbob: wages have been flat over the past 20 years. taxes has nothing to do with it

We could use tanks; it'd be hilarious to just roll over people, real slowly, while they scream and their bones and tendons shatter under the weight of a 60-ton MBT. Leave bloody smears across the front lawns of all those underachieving scum that can't be assed to get off their butts and work for a living.

Decent plan but keep in mind that most of them don't have lawns. We could run them over in front of their housing projects but the bloody mess would unfortunately be washed away almost immediately by the water gushing from all the open fire hydrants.

Belt sanders? Or we can go back to the rape idea... I like rape.

I like the rabid bear rape idea. But you need to train the bears not to kill the poor person before raping, and that will require time and patience.

Also, realize that some poor people are gay and would likely enjoy being raped by a bear. Worst case scenario would be looking on approvingly of justice being meted out via bear rape and the limp wristed deadbeat looks up with a smile on his face "ha ha you had to pay for my aids medicine and now you treat me to a beast rape? Thank you!". Aaarggh that would be so irritating.

The Southern Dandy: Part of me wants Democrats to get out of the Republican's way and just let them drive the economy over the cliff, so Americans will finally come to their senses, but then I remember how farking stupid the American public is and how they'd listen to the Republicans as they blame the Dems for the disaster.

That's not a prediction. It's a recollection.

jeaux65: Most of these things that we're buying up these days are made overseas, no? That means someone over there is getting paid, and someone over here...isn't.

Actually just remembered a nice little detail that gets overlooked in all that. Samsung, which is a South Korean company, makes its phones in South Korea. Now the labor in South Korea is quite a bit more expensive than the labor in China, where most other cell phones are made, yet funny enough Samsung phones don't cost more than other companies for similar models and Samsung makes a ton on their cell phones. Oh and for a bit of irony, Samsung makes the processor chip used in iPhones, and the plant that makes those chips is in Austin, Texas. I can't help but think somewhere at Samsung is someone laughing behind Apple's back and how utterly screwed up their manufacturing processes are. Or rather how utterly screwed up the manufacturing processes they contract out are.

WhyteRaven74: ialdabaoth: Of course they're scapegoats. So what?

Scapegoating people is wrong.

People who use words like "right" and "wrong" should be raped to death as a warning to others.

BOOT ON HUMAN FACE FOREVER.

Kali-Yuga: Lupine Chemist: I did take my taxpayer funded engineering degree abroad. Have fun tightening immigration law to help at the very least slow down brain gain if not cause brain drain.

If Obama is re-elected he'll just give them amnesty instead and the next day we'll have 16 million mexicans to add to the welfare rolls.

And he's gonna totally take your guns too, and make al-Qaeda the fourth branch of government, and rebuild the Statue of Liberty to look like Karl Marx in a turban.

WhyteRaven74: Mr. Right: . The government, under the guise of helping the poor own a home, made mortgages far too easy to obtain.

Oh and I really really want to see what you have to support this claim.

Why? You wouldn't believe him even if he provided it, and he wouldn't care that you didn't believe him.

NEWSFLASH: No one cares about facts. We're past that. We're so far past the "debate the issues" phase that it's not even funny. NO ONE CARES. We just want our side to win in a way that causes as much grief and misery and horror to the other side as possible. Get with the program.

cretinbob: wages have been flat over the past 20 years. taxes has nothing to do with it

We could use tanks; it'd be hilarious to just roll over people, real slowly, while they scream and their bones and tendons shatter under the weight of a 60-ton MBT. Leave bloody smears across the front lawns of all those underachieving scum that can't be assed to get off their butts and work for a living.

Kali-Yuga: Lupine Chemist: I did take my taxpayer funded engineering degree abroad. Have fun tightening immigration law to help at the very least slow down brain gain if not cause brain drain.

If Obama is re-elected he'll just give them amnesty instead and the next day we'll have 16 million mexicans to add to the welfare rolls.

Not if we roll through Mexico killing and raping and burning the whole way. Throw it on national TV so the Americans can masturbate to five year old mexican girls being dismembered and raped to death. It'd be hot.

Kali-Yuga: Petit_Merdeux: Private charities are much better

From your own source: "High salaries do not necessarily indicate inefficiencies, just as low salaries are not always a plus." I agree that one should make informed decisions on which charities they donate to.

And I happen to think churches should be taxed too.

The way to decrease poverty and welfare dependence is by education and job training of the poor, not paying them to sit at home and pop out babies so their monthly check gets bigger.

Alternatively, we take the military, line them up in ranks, and start marching on every major urban center, laying down suppressing fire with automatic weapons until there's nothing left that moves. Pull all the important people out first, and once we're done the population is back to manageable levels.

ialdabaoth: Kali-Yuga: Ishkur: I think the question you should be asking isn't "Why should I pay taxes on property I own?" but rather "Why should the rest of us permit you to own property if you don't want to pay for the infrastructure necessary to ensure that ownership?"

Not if "pay for the infrastructure" is just code for giving hand-outs to the poor.

If it helps you sleep at night, don't call it "hand-outs to the poor". Call it "guillotine insurance".

Maybe e doesn't take the guillotine part seriously because it's going to made out of Paul Krugman's dick.

WhyteRaven74: I must admit I am completely ignorant

Truest Fark post I've ever seen.

untaken_name: WhyteRaven74: untaken_name: Oh, really? Well, that sure clears things up. Nice rebuttal. You have some information which differs from what I said or do you prefer to just cast aspersions without actually backing them up in any way, shape, or form?

BTW care to explain all those other planks of communism that are in play in the US? It's fun watching you be wrong.

How would you know? You've never seen it. Why don't you go ahead and substantively criticize the plank I already did? If you can handle that, we'll move on to plank #2. Since you can't, I'm not worried about having to do more work for you for free.


I know of at least 80 members of the Democratic party who are Communists.

Are you the baby of a cross dressing J. Edgar and his boy toy Allan West?

Kali-Yuga: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 448x314]
Society can no longer live under the 1%, in other words, its existence is no longer compatible with society."

Isn't it funny how you can take the communist manifesto, and replace the words bourgeoisie and proletariat with 99% and 1% and it looks exactly like the complaints the occupiers are making?


Just wait until you start reading noted Commie Adam Smith. That guy was a complete Marxist.

Tellingthem: Wouldn't that mean that Clinton caused the massive income inequality that we see today?

I don't get it. Is your point that "Income disparity between the average worker and CEOs is bad, so vote Republican"? If it is, you're an idiot in addition to being an asshole.

Ebbelwoi: Do Republicans even stilll talk about trickle down? Or is that just a Bogeyman for the Dems?


No, Republicans don't talk at all about job creators and lowering taxes on the rich to help the economy. What dumbasses those Democrats are for creating this boogieman. Unless you are talking about some sort of airplane lingo, "bogeyman." If so then I apologize, retard.

kmmontandon: At this point, we need Paul Krugman to forge a guillotine from his beard and cock, name it "The Paradox of Thrift," set it up on Wall Street, and use it execute Grover Norquist, followed by anyone who uses the phrase "You can't spend your way out of a recession!"

It's such a brilliantly simple plan now that you say it, I'm surprised no one has thought of it before.

kmmontandon: At this point, we need Paul Krugman to forge a guillotine from his beard and cock, name it "The Paradox of Thrift," set it up on Wall Street, and use it execute Grover Norquist, followed by anyone who uses the phrase "You can't spend your way out of a recession!"

farking BRILLIANT, that is.

P.S. The noted commie libs at the Economist:

If we keep telling our children that their home is not, in fact, a home, but an INVESTMENT whose value must be protected for the day it can be cashed in, then surely they will grow up well adjusted and have loving families of their own.

You'd think they'd have to let us all smoke pot or or, hell...I don't know...believe in the righteousness of an invisible sky wizard as a distraction from how shi-HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!

You mean Communism doesn't work? Color me shocked.

I'm hoping they'll raise my fica contribution to offset this somehow.

Ambivalence: The My Little Pony Killer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Ambivalence: The My Little Pony Killer: In before somebody chimes in with airtight advice for how to get high paying jobs, like going into engineering...

I was going to say stripping but then I realized....no one really wants to see most of us naked.

Hell... I don't want to see myself naked

/I can't help but cry

Pints of Häagen-Dazs for everyone. We can cry together.

/I'll even let you eat real ice cream if you want

is Häagen-Dazs your stripper name? That would make an awesome stripper name.

If I were to become a stripper, it would be.