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2012-06-11 08:17:09 PM  
if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.
 
2012-06-11 10:26:35 PM  
Sucks being on a suck team, but he did sign on the line.
 
2012-06-11 10:50:49 PM  

thomps: if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.


Yep. A contract is a contract. Why doesn't he just have his agent open negotiations with another team to buy out his contract and pay him better money? I'm sure there's some team out there that would...
 
2012-06-11 10:51:36 PM  
that we expect him to fulfill those obligations

Unless he plays absolutely awful after putting on 30 pounds or suffers a massive injury and we could save money by cutting him.
 
2012-06-11 10:53:38 PM  

thomps: if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.


And when the team cuts him because they don't want to pay the last year?

Can he come back and say "if you don't want to pay the 5 year contract, don't let me sign one"?
 
2012-06-11 11:02:03 PM  

bulldg4life: thomps: if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.

And when the team cuts him because they don't want to pay the last year?

Can he come back and say "if you don't want to pay the 5 year contract, don't let me sign one"?


Normally I'd be with you but he got a good market deal on his last contract and it was front-loaded enough to get him over 7m per the first three years. With two years left plus the right to franchise him, there's no way they'll extend him. He'll get run into the ground these next couple of years while they try to develop Gabbert and they'll end up finding a younger guy to replace him.
 
2012-06-11 11:07:54 PM  

coolio mack: Normally I'd be with you but he got a good market deal on his last contract and it was front-loaded enough to get him over 7m per the first three years. With two years left plus the right to franchise him, there's no way they'll extend him. He'll get run into the ground these next couple of years while they try to develop Gabbert and they'll end up finding a younger guy to replace him.


That's my point, though. He has no say in the matter when he gets cut. But, the owners (and their defenders) will scream til their blue in the face that he should honor the contractual obligations.
 
2012-06-11 11:08:30 PM  
They just want to make sure they get the most possible bang for their buck from that 3rd-round punter selection.
 
2012-06-11 11:09:28 PM  
Renegotiating with a running back who's going to hit his fall off point fairly soon isn't good business. RBs are the most fungible skill position in the NFL. MJD's own draft position reinforces that point. Jags would be better off in the long term if they donated that money to the local Baptist church to pray for Gabbert's development.

/MJD is great but not worth the going rate for top flight RBs
 
2012-06-11 11:17:29 PM  
Next season is looking better and better for my Texans.
 
2012-06-11 11:17:38 PM  

thomps: if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.


Farking this. You can't "outplay" your contract. You can only sign a contract you later regret. Suck it up and do the job you're paid to do.
 
2012-06-11 11:49:38 PM  
God dammit, they're backing out of contracts with 2 years left now? WTF?
 
2012-06-11 11:54:21 PM  
They're both wrong. MJD signed the deal and he needs to hold his end up. Jacksonville has a fantastic back and should have responded with 'we will happily renegotiate when there is 1 year left on the deal, but not two'.
 
2012-06-12 12:04:52 AM  

iron_city_ap: They're both wrong. MJD signed the deal and he needs to hold his end up. Jacksonville has a fantastic back and should have responded with 'we will happily renegotiate when there is 1 year left on the deal, but not two'.


Extending a deal with an older back with a very likely 2300-2400+ touches in career (at the end point of current contract) is pretty stupid in an NFL where passing is overwhelmingly the least intelligent way to engineer a team outside of drafting a punter in the 3rd round

/wait what
 
2012-06-12 12:11:45 AM  
The Jags aren't moving to LA. Their stadium deal would make it extremely difficult and very, very expensive to move. The Rams are still the most likely target, but we'll see how arbitration on their stadium goes.
 
2012-06-12 12:24:28 AM  

Lafnlion: The Jags aren't moving to LA. Their stadium deal would make it extremely difficult and very, very expensive to move. The Rams are still the most likely target, but we'll see how arbitration on their stadium goes.


Doesn't the NFL have a stipulation about teams that says they have to fill seats? Jacksonville just isn't big enough to keep a team.

/ I hope it's the Jags that move here
// I just need an NFL team out here, one that isn't the Raiders
 
2012-06-12 12:30:34 AM  

Banacek: Jacksonville just isn't big enough to keep a team.


Jacksonville is actually the largest city in Florida, it just happens to be Gator country so no one gives a fark about its crappy NFL team.
 
2012-06-12 12:47:16 AM  

Perditions: Banacek: Jacksonville just isn't big enough to keep a team.

Jacksonville is actually the largest city in Florida, it just happens to be Gator country so no one gives a fark about its crappy NFL team.


Largest by area =/= largest by population

Indianapolis is "larger" than Chicago but no one thinks it is bigger
 
2012-06-12 12:49:25 AM  
The word "fungible" means, basically, "interchangeable." Or, "of such nature that one specimen may be used in place of another specimen in the satisfaction of an obligation."

/cool word
//you're welcome
///looked it up in a real dictionary just now
 
2012-06-12 12:53:37 AM  

redmid17: Perditions: Banacek: Jacksonville just isn't big enough to keep a team.

Jacksonville is actually the largest city in Florida, it just happens to be Gator country so no one gives a fark about its crappy NFL team.

Largest by area =/= largest by population

Indianapolis is "larger" than Chicago but no one thinks it is bigger


Actually, the city itself is also the largest in Florida by population. The problem is, it doesn't really have extensive suburbs. Literally, Jacksonville IS the Jacksonville metro area. And it's relatively expansive and somewhat lower-income as a whole.

Population in-and-of itself probably isn't the problem, though.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:41 AM  
He's 27 with two years left on his current contract. Why not sign him to a lucrative three-year extension with all the guaranteed money up front? That way you have a happy superstar, you send a message to the lockerroom that great play will be rewarded, and if he hits the running-back wall when he's 30 you can cut him with no long-term harm to the team.

What a poorly run organization.
 
2012-06-12 01:57:05 AM  

bulldg4life: And when the team cuts him because they don't want to pay the last year?

Can he come back and say "if you don't want to pay the 5 year contract, don't let me sign one"?



Guaranteed money is guaranteed money. They pay him if he plays or not. If they do cut him, someone else can pick him up and pay whatever they like, but JAX pays that year.
 
2012-06-12 02:07:22 AM  
Ordinarily I'd be in the "suck it up, you whiny millionaire" camp, but Jones-Drew is one of the few players in the league that deserves a whole lot more than he's getting. The work he's done on such a lousy team is remarkable, and the workload they've been putting on him is pretty much guaranteed to have him out of the league by 30.

I understand completely why they don't want to renegotiate his contract, but that doesn't make it any less douchey.
 
2012-06-12 03:38:25 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yep. A contract is a contract. Why doesn't he just have his agent open negotiations with another team to buy out his contract and pay him better money? I'm sure there's some team out there that would...


They're called tampering rules. As in, a player can't talk to another team while still under contract. Any team that does can lose draft picks.
 
2012-06-12 03:50:03 AM  
Jones Drew certainly is a diamond in the turd pile that is the Jaguars, but if he were so important to their winning, wouldn't his great contributions have translated to, I don't know, wins?
 
2012-06-12 04:02:18 AM  
Saying things like, "You signed your contract, honor it" is usually appropriate but not so much in the NFL. The Owners own everything and make all the rules. Contracts aren't guaranteed from the team side. The Jaguars could cut Jones-Drew and not pay him any more. This isn't true about the other major sports.

Being an NFL player is rough. The physical demands are very high. Perhaps Basketball players have more in-game stamina requirements but no sport competes with football for the chance to be permanently disabled. Also, contracts aren't' guaranteed. The NFL creates a contentious environment and the players are seen as the bad guys when they try to play tough. Don't cry for the billionaire owners.
 
2012-06-12 07:03:17 AM  

haemaker: Guaranteed money is guaranteed money. They pay him if he plays or not. If they do cut him, someone else can pick him up and pay whatever they like, but JAX pays that year.


NFL contracts are not fully guaranteed like baseball. He is getting less than 5 million the next two years (something noticeably lower than the other top backs in the league) and, if he suffers a massive knee injury in training camp, the team could cut him and not even worry about the last two years.

If a player under-performs a contract, he can be cut with no repercussions to the team. If a player over-performs relative to his contract, his only recourse is to hold out for a better contract.

Given the extremely short careers and chance for career ending injury at, seemingly, every point of practice and games....saying "it's a contract, honor it" is ridiculously stupid for players when the owners damn sure don't do the same.
 
2012-06-12 07:24:58 AM  
Wouldn't there be less of this if NFL contracts were guaranteed, like baseball? I can't recall hold-outs happening very often in MLB, if ever since the dawn of free agency. Whereas, if I sign a 5 year/$70 million contract with the Jaguars, only half of it or so is guaranteed and the rest is at the whim of the team. Excusing the obscene amount of money I would get anyway, that just seems ridiculous. However, if ALL of my contract were guaranteed, I definitely wouldn't hold out for a better one in the middle of it. I might play like a dog, but football careers are so much shorter, so I probably wouldn't want to do that on purpose, either.
 
2012-06-12 09:02:15 AM  

Cubs300: Wouldn't there be less of this if NFL contracts were guaranteed, like baseball? I can't recall hold-outs happening very often in MLB, if ever since the dawn of free agency. Whereas, if I sign a 5 year/$70 million contract with the Jaguars, only half of it or so is guaranteed and the rest is at the whim of the team. Excusing the obscene amount of money I would get anyway, that just seems ridiculous. However, if ALL of my contract were guaranteed, I definitely wouldn't hold out for a better one in the middle of it. I might play like a dog, but football careers are so much shorter, so I probably wouldn't want to do that on purpose, either.


Even with non-guaranteed contracts you have guys showing up overweight and out of shape. It's not a huge problem but it would become one if they were going to get paid whether they try hard or not. Look at the NBA for this.

How about: Don't sign a front-loaded contract and then complain that your base pay is lower at the end.
 
2012-06-12 09:05:21 AM  

king of vegas: Saying things like, "You signed your contract, honor it" is usually appropriate but not so much in the NFL. The Owners own everything and make all the rules. Contracts aren't guaranteed from the team side. The Jaguars could cut Jones-Drew and not pay him any more. This isn't true about the other major sports.

Being an NFL player is rough. The physical demands are very high. Perhaps Basketball players have more in-game stamina requirements but no sport competes with football for the chance to be permanently disabled. Also, contracts aren't' guaranteed. The NFL creates a contentious environment and the players are seen as the bad guys when they try to play tough. Don't cry for the billionaire owners.


Like that horiffic injury to Johnny Knox last year. I don't think he will be able to play this year. Possibly never again?? Though he is young enough to mount a comeback, possibly. He's still walking crooked.
 
2012-06-12 09:22:55 AM  

puffy999: redmid17: Perditions: Banacek: Jacksonville just isn't big enough to keep a team.

Jacksonville is actually the largest city in Florida,.


Funny thing is, it is actually the biggest city in the United States. Yeah, bigger than NYC, LA, Boston, etc.....
 
2012-06-12 09:31:20 AM  

puffy999: Actually, the city itself is also the largest in Florida by population. The problem is, it doesn't really have extensive suburbs. Literally, Jacksonville IS the Jacksonville metro area. And it's relatively expansive and somewhat lower-income as a whole.

Population in-and-of itself probably isn't the problem, though


I never knew this so I just looked it up. Jacksonville is 11th-most populous city in the US (!!), but only the 40th most populous metro-area. And the city's land area is more than double that of NYC. What the hell kind of annexation went on there?

Also, add me to the "asking for a new contract is ok in the NFL" crowd. If the owners can cut an underperforming player, than an overperforming player should have some leverage too.
 
2012-06-12 09:47:32 AM  
I'm also in the only Guaranteed Contracts are real crowd.

On the other hand, no team would ever voluntarily move to LA. LA has proven they do not WANT a football team.
 
2012-06-12 09:54:24 AM  

redmid17: iron_city_ap: They're both wrong. MJD signed the deal and he needs to hold his end up. Jacksonville has a fantastic back and should have responded with 'we will happily renegotiate when there is 1 year left on the deal, but not two'.

Extending a deal with an older back with a very likely 2300-2400+ touches in career (at the end point of current contract) is pretty stupid in an NFL where passing is overwhelmingly the least intelligent way to engineer a team outside of drafting a punter in the 3rd round

/wait what


I'm not saying they should sign him to a long term deal, especially because of his age/mileage. Of course the team will use both of those in negotiations and is the reason he wants the extention now and they want to wait. You don't want one of the best backs in the league too disgruntled but you also don't break the bank keeping him, especially considering where he is in his career.

Offer to open negotiations after this season. He'll have a monster year because of it. Try to work out a 3-4 year extention and if he insists on longer, trade him while his value is high.
 
2012-06-12 09:56:34 AM  
If nobody bites on a trade, you still have him for another season where he is looking at free agency, so he'll bust ass then too.
 
2012-06-12 10:00:56 AM  

iron_city_ap: If nobody bites on a trade, you still have him for another season where he is looking at free agency, so he'll bust ass then too.


Yeah but his production isn't going to spike, especially with a bad QB at the helm. I don't think he's going to do any better this year than he did last year
 
2012-06-12 10:10:38 AM  
Dumping the talent so they'll lose and move the team?

Is the owner a recently widowed hot blonde?
 
2012-06-12 10:13:55 AM  

thomps: if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.


Pre-farking-cisely.
 
2012-06-12 10:14:42 AM  

thomps: if you don't want to be locked into a 5 year contract, don't sign a 5 year contract. guaranteed money works both ways.


NFL contracts aren't fully guaranteed.
 
2012-06-12 10:40:05 AM  
If the Jags weren't close to $20 million UNDER the salary cap I might agree with Gene Smith, but they are. There's plenty of money left to pay the best player on their team and one of the best in the NFL. Running back or not. The top teams in the NFL are all close to their cap. The last 5 SB winners were in the top 5 in cap money spent. Not cap money saved. It's weird how some teams never get better and people wonder why. It's because they are cheap and refuse to pay the money required to get/keep the top talent on their team. I had hoped Khan might be different but as long as Gene Smith is in charge we will continue to be the laughing stock of football.

/punter in the 3rd my ass
//Smith should be gone just for that alone
 
2012-06-12 10:47:45 AM  
Hopefully, it's the Rams or the Jaguars that move. Please, for the love of God, leave the Chargers in San Diego. Besides, I wouldn't wish Norv on anyone.

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2012-06-12 11:03:15 AM  

draa: If the Jags weren't close to $20 million UNDER the salary cap I might agree with Gene Smith, but they are. There's plenty of money left to pay the best player on their team and one of the best in the NFL. Running back or not. The top teams in the NFL are all close to their cap. The last 5 SB winners were in the top 5 in cap money spent. Not cap money saved. It's weird how some teams never get better and people wonder why. It's because they are cheap and refuse to pay the money required to get/keep the top talent on their team. I had hoped Khan might be different but as long as Gene Smith is in charge we will continue to be the laughing stock of football.

/punter in the 3rd my ass
//Smith should be gone just for that alone


How many of those SB winners had a RB that was paid as well as MJD? The only one who came close was Ryan Grant and he was on IR for almost the entire season when the team won.
 
2012-06-12 11:41:54 AM  

FreakinB: puffy999: Actually, the city itself is also the largest in Florida by population. The problem is, it doesn't really have extensive suburbs. Literally, Jacksonville IS the Jacksonville metro area. And it's relatively expansive and somewhat lower-income as a whole.

Population in-and-of itself probably isn't the problem, though

I never knew this so I just looked it up. Jacksonville is 11th-most populous city in the US (!!), but only the 40th most populous metro-area. And the city's land area is more than double that of NYC. What the hell kind of annexation went on there?

Also, add me to the "asking for a new contract is ok in the NFL" crowd. If the owners can cut an underperforming player, than an overperforming player should have some leverage too.


Jacksonville is essentially just a county that incorporated as a city. There's a decent sized downtown area like most cities. And suburbs like most areas around cities. And some pretty rural areas a bit further out.

All of it is considered part of Jacksonville the city.

Still a little bitter they got a team before Baltimore. I think attendance records show how idiotic that was.
 
2012-06-12 08:33:01 PM  
Wondering if anybody here has actually looked at his contract... and seen how his signing bonus pays out... and how much he will actually earn this year.

Actually... not really wondering... 'cause it's pretty apparent that nobody did.

MJD is hardly 'underpaid'. I really like the guy... he's funny as hell on radio... but with two years left and being paid in the top tier of backs in the league and holding out... I am disappoint.
 
2012-06-13 05:31:34 PM  

TheZorker: I'm also in the only Guaranteed Contracts are real crowd.

On the other hand, no team would ever voluntarily move to LA. LA has proven they do not WANT a football team.


LA will get pro football back, but only until every single team has a new stadium mostly built with public money. Then once the NFL can't use "we'll move the team to Los Angeles" as a threat, they'll get one or two expansion teams and cash in on the new team fees.
 
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