I guess Mitch Daniels took Mitt Romney's call for eliminating the number of police officers seriously and found a free market solution.

I almost forgot to add that when you say "beer can" in an English accent it's the same as saying "bacon" in a Jamaican accent.

djkutch: low_dazzle: So Stand Your Ground is cool and all when it's the Cops, but not if it's a drugged-out minority youth coming to get you.

Armed law enforcement vs. kid with skittles. You've done well. I expect great trolls from you.

I so rarely get in early enough.

illannoyin: I almost forgot to add that when you say "beer can" in an English accent it's the same as saying "bacon" in a Jamaican accent.

You rule. I have been doing this and laughing my arse off all day. At work. They think I'm on PCP.

BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.

totally. i was just on my way to the dealership for one of these babies:


or maybe


ya, those fellows don't look at all like military. just like officer friendly and his pals.

One Bad Apple: So when is Sheriff season and what is the bag limit.

Does bow season start a week earlier ?

Muzzle-loaders the following week too.

buckler:

It's about goddamned time. Maybe this will help police stop overreaching their bounds.

And apparently the NRA got behind this idea and pushed really hard. Maybe now I can stop being ashamed to like Charlton Heston movies.

I want to see the Kentucky legislature pass a law like this. This and stand your ground.

So far we don't even have the castle doctrine here. It's like "The was a window behind you you could have jumped from so you didn't have to shoot the armed bath-salted intruder; that the window is five stories up and you're paraplegic in a wheelchair only meant you should have called on Jesus to give you strength."

jabelar: Silly Jesus: Here's the only problem with this. How does the person in the home determine whether or not the police action is legal before they decide to start shooting at them?

It's not about whether the police action is legal, its about whether you even know they are police. The point is that when someone bursts down your bedroom door wearing a balaclava (the police often wear them), it is reasonable to assume the worst. If they properly declare they are police, then this law wouldn't apply.

This certainly isn't about protecting yourself from "illegal police action", it's about surprise/unexpected armed intruders and whether you wait around to sort things out before defending yourself.

Never mind, after re-reading the article maybe it does allow you to shoot known police if you think they don't have lawful entry ... interesting.

I would support if it was what I thought it was -- i.e. strengthening the need for police to properly identify themselves.

But the Karmic Debt for all the trees hmmmm. Been to indiana almost had to stop...scary.

I'm guessing this will drastically lower address mistakes on search warrants.

We don't need a law like that in Michigan. Most of us are armed better than the cops, and they know it. It makes for very polite exchanges/warrant servings...most the time anyway.

My take on it is that this is a very basic 2nd amendment issue. You can't keep people from protecting themselves against corrupt (or inept) government actions and/or officials. Figuring out what is and what is not a legal entry is a separate issue, and not having that issue clear is indeed going to make for some ugly situations. But that itself should be powerful incentive to address that issue quickly. Personally, I think no-knock warrants should be reserved solely for situations in which someone's life is known to be in active danger.

James F. Campbell: low_dazzle: So if I don't call it Stand Your Ground, and just call it shooting people, that still sounds anti-cop to me.

You're terrible at this. Please stop before you hurt yourself.

well i'm "standing my ground" and SMOKING some WEED MON!!

Now the Indiana legislature needs to make a law that makes killing a civilian dog murder, the same way killing a police dog is murder.

I take that back, a shiatload of this thread so far is made up of delusional people who have seen way to many movies.

low_dazzle: djkutch: low_dazzle: So Stand Your Ground is cool and all when it's the Cops, but not if it's a drugged-out minority youth coming to get you.

Armed law enforcement vs. kid with skittles. You've done well. I expect great trolls from you.

I so rarely get in early enough.

Next time, let it ride. Avoid the temptation to interact. See if you get more bites. More to work with.

violentsalvation: If the police hit your house by mistake and you shoot at them you are going to have a couple hundred bullets flying at you. Still, I like the law. Get the f*cking address right you stupid pigs.

You've seen way too many movies.

Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.

AverageAmericanGuy: If they aren't doing anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to fear.

Exactly. This is what they tell the folks they stop/detain/question.

/My stepson was an officer
//He got out because of The System

If they aren't doing anything wrong, they shouldn't have anything to fear.

In the future, everyone will be Robocop instead of just thinking they're Robocop.

low_dazzle: So Stand Your Ground is cool and all when it's the Cops, but not if it's a drugged-out minority youth coming to get you.

0.1/10.

Your trolling needs to include more about Arizona brand canned Teas, skittles brand candies, and black people. YOU NEED TO SELL THE BRAND!

Bunnyhat:


I have a lot of issues with people playing judge, jury, and executioner. Specially when they are the ones who escalated the situation. I have problems with people shooting someone in the back and claiming it was self defense under stand your ground. I have problems with people shooting an unharmed person who hadn't even physically assaulted them yet and claim self-defense under stand your ground. I have a problem with people trespassing on someone elses property and then killing the homeowner while claiming self-defense under stand your ground. I have a problem with people stalking and then murdering a young man and claiming self defense under stand your ground.

I have no problem with someone defending their lives against a home invader.


So if I don't call it Stand Your Ground, and just call it shooting people, that still sounds anti-cop to me.

So Stand Your Ground is cool and all when it's the Cops, but not if it's a drugged-out minority youth coming to get you.