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2012-06-11 11:44:36 PM
I am ok with this. Police should only have the same rights as citizens. If you illegally enter someone's house, you can get shot. Just because you're a police officer does not mean you get a free pass. Yeah, I know. Unicorns are grazing on my lawn and Pegasus brought me into work tonight.
 
2012-06-11 11:44:48 PM

James F. Campbell: low_dazzle: So if I don't call it Stand Your Ground, and just call it shooting people, that still sounds anti-cop to me.

You're terrible at this. Please stop before you hurt yourself.


well i'm "standing my ground" and SMOKING some WEED MON!!
 
2012-06-11 11:45:15 PM

BronyMedic: Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.

Did you miss yesterdays thread?

You never answered the question. These departments aren't getting Top Secret military hardware. They're not patrolling the streets in M2 Bradleys, or using Apachies for DUI Checkpoints.


You can do no-knock raids with (or without) a tax stamp too. Might get you shot though.
 
2012-06-11 11:45:15 PM
We don't need a law like that in Michigan. Most of us are armed better than the cops, and they know it. It makes for very polite exchanges/warrant servings...most the time anyway.

My take on it is that this is a very basic 2nd amendment issue. You can't keep people from protecting themselves against corrupt (or inept) government actions and/or officials. Figuring out what is and what is not a legal entry is a separate issue, and not having that issue clear is indeed going to make for some ugly situations. But that itself should be powerful incentive to address that issue quickly. Personally, I think no-knock warrants should be reserved solely for situations in which someone's life is known to be in active danger.
 
2012-06-11 11:45:24 PM

Silly Jesus: Here's the only problem with this. How does the person in the home determine whether or not the police action is legal before they decide to start shooting at them?


It's not about whether the police action is legal, its about whether you even know they are police. The point is that when someone bursts down your bedroom door wearing a balaclava (the police often wear them), it is reasonable to assume the worst. If they properly declare they are police, then this law wouldn't apply.

This certainly isn't about protecting yourself from "illegal police action", it's about surprise/unexpected armed intruders and whether you wait around to sort things out before defending yourself.
 
2012-06-11 11:45:42 PM

BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.


law enforcement agencies can apply to get no longer in use, but otherwise perfectly good equipment from the military at little or no charge. there was a thread on Fark yesterday about it.... lets see HERE IT IS!!! (pops).

i also have a friend that was his entire job at his law enforcement agency. before he retired, all he did was apply for grants of equipment and such and track it (he could tell you where everything he signed for was, unless signed out from his inventory in under 2 hours) with a paper system. he got is agency a FARKING TRACKED APC for SWAT to use, as well as for some regular rescue (mountainous Mohave Desert).

oh and i am pretty sure your tax stamp grants the feds permission for them to come to your property at anytime and declare an audit and go through your crap (could be wrong on this one & confusing it with gun collector's license). My uncle use to have several stamped weapons unitl he went full collector's license cause it was simpler.
 
2012-06-11 11:45:50 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Now they need to legalize black talon apr


Black Talon ammo is NOT armor piercing. Bullet coatings (such as Teflon, the Black Talon coating, etc.) are used to reduce wear and tear on the gun barrel. They typically don't effect terminal performance that much, and they definitely don't make a regular bullet into an armor-piercing bullet. If Black Talon is illegal in your state it is because it is specifically regulated or because of its coating, not because it's a true armor piercing round.

In fact, Teflon coatings in particular were found to perform worse against bullet proof vests. The coating did, however, improve penetration against thin metal and glass, which would result in better and safer performance (through reducing ricochets) against non-armored targets like regular vehicles. The notion that Teflon and other coatings can take a regular bullet and make it armor piercing is a total media fiction. The only way to make a true armor-piercing bullet is to use dense metals as the bullet core.

Armor piercing handgun ammo is legal for citizens to own, sell, and shoot, but it is illegal for FFL holders to sell it to non-governmental agencies. Hence, for civilians, true armor piercing handgun ammunition is much like fully automatic weapons in that they are legal to own and use, but the manufacture or import of new supply is illegal.

//The more you know
 
2012-06-11 11:46:57 PM
I'm guessing this will drastically lower address mistakes on search warrants.
 
2012-06-11 11:46:58 PM

Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.

Did you miss yesterdays thread?


DAmned Brony...

shakes tiny outraged fist...
 
2012-06-11 11:48:31 PM
But the Karmic Debt for all the trees hmmmm. Been to indiana almost had to stop...scary.
 
2012-06-11 11:49:02 PM
I love this idea. It shouldnt matter who it is- if someone is entering a home, unannounced, uninvited and illegally, they should expect to be shot, regardless if they're cops or not...
 
2012-06-11 11:50:13 PM

jabelar: Silly Jesus: Here's the only problem with this. How does the person in the home determine whether or not the police action is legal before they decide to start shooting at them?

It's not about whether the police action is legal, its about whether you even know they are police. The point is that when someone bursts down your bedroom door wearing a balaclava (the police often wear them), it is reasonable to assume the worst. If they properly declare they are police, then this law wouldn't apply.

This certainly isn't about protecting yourself from "illegal police action", it's about surprise/unexpected armed intruders and whether you wait around to sort things out before defending yourself.


Never mind, after re-reading the article maybe it does allow you to shoot known police if you think they don't have lawful entry ... interesting.

I would support if it was what I thought it was -- i.e. strengthening the need for police to properly identify themselves.
 
2012-06-11 11:51:03 PM
I guess Mitch Daniels took Mitt Romney's call for eliminating the number of police officers seriously and found a free market solution.
 
2012-06-11 11:52:13 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Now they need to legalize black talon apr


This is why the M1 Garand is a fantastic choice...even if the armor does stop the bullet, they're still out of the fight.
 
2012-06-11 11:52:32 PM
DORMAMU: law enforcement agencies can apply to get no longer in use, but otherwise perfectly good equipment from the military at little or no charge. there was a thread on Fark yesterday about it.... lets see HERE IT IS!!! (pops).

Oh Good. Again, as was pointed out by people in that thread, just because something is DOD or "Mil-spec" does not mean a civilian cannot legally own this.

DORMAMU: also have a friend that was his entire job at his law enforcement agency. before he retired, all he did was apply for grants of equipment and such and track it (he could tell you where everything he signed for was, unless signed out from his inventory in under 2 hours) with a paper system. he got is agency a FARKING TRACKED APC for SWAT to use, as well as for some regular rescue (mountainous Mohave Desert).

Again, this is not something that you can't purchase as a civilian. Several private security firms use APCs for contract jobs on sensitive facilities. They're not mounting machine guns or heavy weaponry on them, and armored vehicles like this are used to rescue and to make entry under fire.

Take the MP5/M4 example above. The reason patrols are armed with such weapons is because of situations like the West Hollywood shootout.

DORMAMU:
oh and i am pretty sure your tax stamp grants the feds permission for them to come to your property at anytime and declare an audit and go through your crap (could be wrong on this one & confusing it with gun collector's license). My uncle use to have several stamped weapons unitl he went full collector's license cause it was simpler.


The Feds track every weapon issued to Law Enforcement unless it's bought privately by that cop.
 
2012-06-11 11:52:45 PM

Thoguh: However, with more and more police forces wanting to play soldier and do no knock warrants at night I am totally okay with this. If I'm at home asleep and the door comes crashing down because they are at the wrong house shouldn't be under any obligation to wait and find out if they are cops who can't read an address correctly before I start shooting.


And you will promptly be dead.

That is the problem.
In addition to the fact that you have no way to know if the police are illegally in your house, just wait for the first case where the police lawyers start arguing that you had no reasonable reason to believe they were in your house illegally and therefore you were intending to attack police officers that were legally in your home.

There are definitely issues that need to be dealt with (militarization, excessive use of no-knock warrants, etc) but increasing the odds of a gunfight in homes is a bad idea.

If there are cases where the police are illegally entering homes (be it intentional or simple negligence), the department and officers involved need to have the book thrown at them, but it needs to be done afterwards.
 
2012-06-11 11:53:08 PM

Bunnyhat: I have no issue with this one


How idiotic can you get ?

What do you think the next step from this would be ?

I HATE cops arriving with guns, but this law will make them NEED to draw guns

// Freaking retarded
/ try some other methods idjuts
 
2012-06-11 11:53:33 PM

dugitman: So a little background if you care-(this is kinda from memory and I'm a few credits short for my GED in law)

A couple years back 2 officers responded to a 911 call of domestic violence in a small Indiana town. When they got there, the girlfriend/wife/whatever recanted and the guy blocked the front door refusing to let them in. Indiana has one of those automatic arrest thingies for domestic violence(girl had visible marks) so the cops entered the guy's house(legally) and the dude started punching and kicking them. So he gets arrested, but the domestic violence charge doesnt stick. To get out of the assaulting a police officer charge, he gets the ICLU on his side and they argue something along the lines of it being an illegal entry because there was no domestic violence. Goes all the way to the Indiana Supreme court who rule that under the existing (broadly written law) citizens shouldnt resist cops whether the entry was legal or not because it puts everyone in danger. The victim(homeowner) can seek remedy through the court system later if they did indeed have their rights violated(cough-laf). Couple all that with a huge uptick in no-knock warrants, and Indiana's recent publicized promotion(and corruption) of the property-seizure biz-- and you got the libertarians(and a whole lot of liberals) going batshiat screechy. Sooo, this law was put in place to actually put restrictions on the previous law which was so poorly written it gave police carte-blanche to do pretty much whatever the fark they wanted, even in the homes of private citizens.

Because People in power are Stupid: Now they need to legalize black talon apr
They were never illegal. Just discontinued.


I have 6 shiny ones in my .357 mag. just for those special occasions.
 
2012-06-11 11:53:44 PM

puffy999: Good.

I mean, this won't do anything except give police more reason to murder innocent people (or people who don't deserve to be executed for whatever crimes they did commit), but at least now people do have the right to defend themselves.


Amen! and I WILL defend myself.
 
2012-06-11 11:53:54 PM

Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.

Did you miss yesterdays thread?


Pfft. I can go down to Bass Pro Shop and buy an APC and a six-pack of teargas.
 
2012-06-11 11:54:06 PM
Good.

Cops shouldn't be entering your house without a warrant. Makes them more likely to follow the rules.
 
2012-06-11 11:54:45 PM
Uisce Beatha: BronyMedic: Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand:

You never answered the question. These departments aren't getting Top Secret military hardware. They're not patrolling the streets in M2 Bradleys, or using Apachies for DUI Checkpoints.

Really?
[cmsimg.freep.com image 512x341]

Really?
[media.independent.com image 479x298]

Really?
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

You don't have to look very hard to see that the police, in fact, do have military equipment I can't purchase as a civilian


You might want to check your laws, then. Because you can own any of that.

Hell, you can legally own an M1 Tank if you wanted to. You just can't mount weapons on it.

By the way, the reason they have those is to make rescue and entry on active shooter events without exposing their people to gunfire. They don't mount guns themselves.
 
2012-06-11 11:55:20 PM
So when is Sheriff season and what is the bag limit.

Does bow season start a week earlier ?
 
2012-06-11 11:56:18 PM
buckler:

It's about goddamned time. Maybe this will help police stop overreaching their bounds.

And apparently the NRA got behind this idea and pushed really hard. Maybe now I can stop being ashamed to like Charlton Heston movies.

I want to see the Kentucky legislature pass a law like this. This and stand your ground.

So far we don't even have the castle doctrine here. It's like "The was a window behind you you could have jumped from so you didn't have to shoot the armed bath-salted intruder; that the window is five stories up and you're paraplegic in a wheelchair only meant you should have called on Jesus to give you strength."
 
2012-06-11 11:56:41 PM

One Bad Apple: So when is Sheriff season and what is the bag limit.

Does bow season start a week earlier ?


Muzzle-loaders the following week too.
 
2012-06-11 11:57:00 PM

Thoguh: This law seems overly broad. However, with more and more police forces wanting to play soldier and do no knock warrants at night I am totally okay with this. If I'm at home asleep and the door comes crashing down because they are at the wrong house shouldn't be under any obligation to wait and find out if they are cops who can't read an address correctly before I start shooting.

I would think that the real impact of this law will be that cops who get a hard on pretending they are in the military will be forced to think twice about unnecessary no knock warrants. And when they do get such a warrant they'll be more likely to make sure they check the address before they come in guns drawn.


Problem is, I can see the flip side already: Cops go to serve a totally valid and legal warrant, with an accurate address and all as you say...and the meth dealer or militia member on the other side blows them away and says in his defense "I didn't think they were really cops! I didn't believe they had a valid warrant!" And here's this law that says, well, okay, I guess you're in the clear.

Also, you better check with who is issuing the no-knock warrants. My ire has always been with the tame judges who rubber-stamp them, without doing a double-check of their own. Warrants have to be approved and signed, no-knock doubly so; and if the cops getting their rocks off kicking in doors makes you mad, maybe you should also be pissed about the judge who signed off on the paper that let them do it. All that's needed is for the judge to say "Are you SURE you need a waiver for knock-and-announce?" and half of these would go away. Oh, and the judge DOES have that discretion, btw. Don't let anyone tell you they don't.
 
2012-06-11 11:57:17 PM

BronyMedic: Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.

Did you miss yesterdays thread?

You never answered the question. These departments aren't getting Top Secret military hardware. They're not patrolling the streets in M2 Bradleys, or using Apachies for DUI Checkpoints.


Its more subtle than that, its about the role of police in society. The police fight wars now, drugs, gangs, etc. and they sure dress the part.

shocklee.com

Would these men look more in place in Afghanistan or central California?

www.nothirdsolution.com

How does this "protect and serve" anyone?

freespeech.vo.llnwd.net

/the great thing about sufficiently militarizing police is that you dont even have to declare martial law
 
2012-06-11 11:57:18 PM

Uisce Beatha: BronyMedic: Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand:

You never answered the question. These departments aren't getting Top Secret military hardware. They're not patrolling the streets in M2 Bradleys, or using Apachies for DUI Checkpoints.

Really?
[cmsimg.freep.com image 512x341]

Really?
[media.independent.com image 479x298]

Really?
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

You don't have to look very hard to see that the police, in fact, do have military equipment I can't purchase as a civilian


i798.photobucket.com

gotta love the 'splosions
 
2012-06-11 11:57:35 PM

bikerbob: I have 6 shiny ones in my .357 mag. just for those special occasions


So what is your grand plan for 7 officers arrive dipshiat ?

// If your plan ends at "shiny ones" you might need to keep polishing
 
2012-06-11 11:57:49 PM

BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand: Maybe we should stop funding police militarization. Seriously, what point is there to invading a home at night? Most cops will go on about how dangerous this threat to our freedoms really is, but how is that worse than power-hungry assholes playing soldier on our dime?

Please tell me how the police have access to Military equipment you can't purchase as a civilian, again?

And, please don't say because they carry M-4s or MP-5s on patrol. Because I can go down the street to the gunshop and buy one with a tax stamp.


the DART/SWAT team in Cincy were showing off their new AA12's last fall at the Cincy Convention center.

/Only pisses me off because... well, I want one!
 
2012-06-11 11:58:15 PM

Silly Jesus: Here's the only problem with this. How does the person in the home determine whether or not the police action is legal before they decide to start shooting at them?

Rightly or wrongly, there are going to be some dead folks as a result of this law. And, whether they are in the right or not, most of those dead folks probably won't be the police.

"Hey, look, it's SWAT with a no-knock search warrant." "My GED in law tells me that their no-knock entry is illegal, so I'll start shooting at them." "Oops, they have a lot more armor, weapons, and training...now I'm dead..."


That was the case long before this law was passed. If you have a firearm and someone kicks in your door, your first reaction will be to defend yourself. All this does is offer you some level of legal protection should you end up being justified. More likely than not, you'll still end up dead because they have body armor and you don't.
 
2012-06-11 11:58:59 PM

One Bad Apple: So when is Sheriff season and what is the bag limit.

Does bow season start a week earlier ?


Two weeks, then blackpowder.
 
2012-06-12 12:01:47 AM

BronyMedic: Uisce Beatha: BronyMedic: Cyno01: BronyMedic: Guntram Shatterhand:

You never answered the question. These departments aren't getting Top Secret military hardware. They're not patrolling the streets in M2 Bradleys, or using Apachies for DUI Checkpoints.

Really?
[cmsimg.freep.com image 512x341]

Really?
[media.independent.com image 479x298]

Really?
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

You don't have to look very hard to see that the police, in fact, do have military equipment I can't purchase as a civilian

You might want to check your laws, then. Because you can own any of that.

Hell, you can legally own an M1 Tank if you wanted to. You just can't mount weapons on it.

By the way, the reason they have those is to make rescue and entry on active shooter events without exposing their people to gunfire. They don't mount guns themselves.


I was under the impression that police can utilize full auto while that is not available to the public....is that incorrect? All I seem to be able to find on the topic are forums.....don't trust them 100% but they seem to say that too....
 
2012-06-12 12:03:30 AM
I'm OK with this. Cops frequently bust into the wrong house when they misread warrants. The first thing a cop does when he breaks down a door into a house, is kill the dogs, because they don't want to take the risk of being attacked.

This will make cops in Indiana check those house numbers much more carefully and save heartache that friends of my family have been through because a goddamn sheriff couldn't read a farking piece of paper.
 
2012-06-12 12:04:44 AM

GonadtheBarbarian: Because People in power are Stupid: Now they need to legalize black talon apr

This is why the M1 Garand is a fantastic choice...even if the armor does stop the bullet, they're still out of the fight.


I'm not sure an 8-shot semi-automatic rifle is the best defense against any handgun at close range. Even if you managed to kill all of your assailants with that tiny clip, I'm pretty sure you'd then be permanently deaf from firing multiple rounds of .30-06 indoors without hearing protection.
 
2012-06-12 12:05:01 AM

BronyMedic: They don't mount guns themselves.


Try again
img832.imageshack.us

Yup, that is a US police department, rolling with an M2 50 cal
 
2012-06-12 12:05:04 AM

dugitman: Because People in power are Stupid: Now they need to legalize black talon apr
They were never illegal. Just discontinued.


Not discontinued. Rebranded.
www.sgammo.com
 
2012-06-12 12:05:04 AM
If you don't have Black Talon Ammo I can guarantee you a 12 Ga. slug to the chest or face, Armor or not, will drop you like a sack of potatoes.
 
2012-06-12 12:06:13 AM
Cyno01: Its more subtle than that, its about the role of police in society. The police fight wars now, drugs, gangs, etc. and they sure dress the part.

Your picture makes a dishonest comparison. There was no violence expected or predicted at the Million Man March. It was largely a peaceful protest. On the contrast, there WAS violence expected at Oakland occupy. Groups were actively promoting anarchist riots against the police and local businesses, which THANKFULLY was avoided because cooler heads in occupy prevailed. The cops had legitimate threats. Riot Cops are gonna do what Riot cops are going to do. They're going to dress to protect themselves against improvised weapons like large rocks, glass bottles, and the like. They're going to dress to protect against tear-gas. And they're going to do what they need to do to dispurse a riot, which is use overwhelming shows of force.

Cyno01: How does this "protect and serve" anyone?

Using staged press photos of a SWAT Team (Special Weapons and Tactics) doesn't prove your point either. ANd none of that equipment, by the way, is only available to law enforcement. Right down to the assault rifles.

Cyno01: /the great thing about sufficiently militarizing police is that you dont even have to declare martial law

That's some pretty hard core, paranoid level derp right there, Cyno.

You do see the massive number of imaging and cameras on the top of that armored vehicle, right? They're designed to go into active shooter events and get information, perform rescue, and deliver operators without getting them shot too.
 
2012-06-12 12:09:05 AM
Shot the Sheriff?

www.iwatchstuff.com

/approves

//too soon?
 
2012-06-12 12:10:12 AM
Avery614: I was under the impression that police can utilize full auto while that is not available to the public....is that incorrect? All I seem to be able to find on the topic are forums.....don't trust them 100% but they seem to say that too....

Anyone who is willing to go through the background checks and pay the 1500 dollar/weapon fea can own a fully automatic weapon - with a few restrictions.

Uisce Beatha: BronyMedic: They don't mount guns themselves.

Try again
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Yup, that is a US police department, rolling with an M2 50 cal


Ok. That's not only ridiculous, that's bloody overkill. And I'm wondering how it's even legal.
 
2012-06-12 12:12:18 AM

Uisce Beatha: BronyMedic: They don't mount guns themselves.

Try again
[img832.imageshack.us image 431x269]

Yup, that is a US police department, rolling with an M2 50 cal


I could see that as part of an elite Border Patrol response unit (without the mounted 50-cal on the APC), but then I see it is in South Carolina.

And I see that the equipment is considered so dangerous that the US Military doesn't use it except against armored targets.

I'll grant cops the weapons they need to defend us against civilian threats--but I didn't realize we were fighting the goddamn Syrian Army down in Carolina.
 
2012-06-12 12:12:23 AM

BronyMedic: which THANKFULLY was avoided because cooler heads in occupy prevailed


Even after police violently escalated certain situations.

At least they didn't shoot anyone in the back as they lay cuffed on the ground.
 
2012-06-12 12:13:34 AM
BronyMedic: Cyno01:You do see the massive number of imaging and cameras on the top of that armored vehicle, right? They're designed to go into active shooter events and get information, perform rescue, and deliver operators without getting them shot too.

If that was *all* they were used for, I would probably not care as much. However, when they are used to roll through the walls of someone's house, who was accused of something more minor, like cock-fighting (not an endorsement on my part of animal cruelty, frak folks who do that), simply because a celeb is there, cameras are rolling, and because you can, well, those armored vehicles look like just another means for someone to live out their bully fantasies.
 
2012-06-12 12:14:42 AM
Anyway, my point was, it's almost as if those evil anarchists are more rational than various local police departments. Since Oakland is such a focus, let's look at OTHER cities (like Portland or Seattle).

At this point, the biggest differences between cops and gang members involves the amount of armor each one sports.
 
2012-06-12 12:14:48 AM

BronyMedic: You do see the massive number of imaging and cameras on the top of that armored vehicle, right? They're designed to go into active shooter events and get information, perform rescue, and deliver operators without getting them shot too.


Yeah, like the time last summer in my GF's PD when they have to go after a guy who holed himself up with around 15-20 fully-automatic assault rifles and shotguns after he relapses on coke and his half-beaten girlfriend escapes to give local law enforcement a heads up that he threatened to kill them both. Oh, and the house is booby-trapped because the guy is a bit of a paranoid white supremacist. But nope, none of that SWAT equipment is necessary to law enforcement's job ever.
 
2012-06-12 12:15:38 AM

puffy999:

At least they didn't shoot anyone in the back as they lay cuffed on the ground.


Some people take that for GRANTed.
 
2012-06-12 12:15:49 AM
If police are after a person in a home, why not catch him when he comes out to go somewhere on his own? If police are after a thing in a home, why not wait till sometime when nobody's home? Raiding a home with people inside seems like it ought to be a last resort.
 
2012-06-12 12:16:46 AM
To be honest, after reading the article and a bit of the background, I still haven't made up my mind. On the one hand, the court there had I think their heads up their woohoos when they said that there was "no right to reasonably resist unlawful entry by police officers". That's just farking stupid.

On the other, the police have a point in saying that, as it reads, the law allows people to shoot public servants, even police, when they enter the home. But then again, its "unlawful" entry only. So...that's quite a can of worms the legal expert guys are going to have to sort through.

I'm going to have to consider things a bit more before I make up my mind.
 
2012-06-12 12:16:55 AM
Uisce Beatha:
If that was *all* they were used for, I would probably not care as much. However, when they are used to roll through the walls of someone's house, who was accused of something more minor, like cock-fighting (not an endorsement on my part of animal cruelty, frak folks who do that), simply because a celeb is there, cameras are rolling, and because you can, well, those armored vehicles look like just another means for someone to live out their bully fantasies.


Clearly not being used for what they're designed for or given to those departments for, then. We're in agreeance here. Just like an M2 on a Cop Vehicle is way more DAKKA than they need.

On the other hand, I won't be too disturbed about patrol cops carrying M-4s. And this is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_sf5_rftI
 
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