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(The Atlantic)   Low-carb high-fat diets, once deemed bad for cholesterol, then good for cholesterol, then bad, then good, are now considered bad until tomorrow's rigorous scientific study finds the opposite   (theatlantic.com) divider line 177
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2012-06-12 12:21:03 AM
"Low anything-high anything else" diets are all bad. Your body was made to have a balance of all three of fat, protein, and carbs.
 
2012-06-12 12:24:15 AM
Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

(Though, as Pollan himself has attested, Inuit subsist rather well on a diet comprising mostly seal meat.)
 
2012-06-12 12:25:23 AM
What's the matter, subby? Lose the URL for the Daily Mail?
 
2012-06-12 12:28:55 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

(Though, as Pollan himself has attested, Inuit subsist rather well on a diet comprising mostly seal meat.)


And blubber. Don't forget the blubber.
 
2012-06-12 12:38:47 AM
As someone who just got put on high blood pressure meds, this article is relevant to my interests.
 
2012-06-12 12:41:23 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

(Though, as Pollan himself has attested, Inuit subsist rather well on a diet comprising mostly seal meat.)


Why mostly plants?

what is "mostly".
 
2012-06-12 12:41:52 AM
Considering how massively carb-centric our modern diets are, a little high cholesterol probably beats the fark out of the 'beetus.
 
2012-06-12 12:54:41 AM

Smackledorfer: what is "mostly".


bestuff.com
 
2012-06-12 12:56:47 AM
How is taking in 45% of your calories by way of carbs a low-carb diet? I'm fairly certain people who are pushing for high fats are only taking in like 5-10% carbs.
 
2012-06-12 12:57:51 AM
When did anyone (who wasn't selling a book) consider low carb, high fat diets to be good?
 
2012-06-12 01:01:55 AM
Is coffee still good for you...this week?
 
2012-06-12 01:06:29 AM
The processed food companies that licensed the names of all the low carb diets managed to find plenty of interesting ways to make low carb diets unhealthy.
 
2012-06-12 01:10:32 AM

whatshisname: When did anyone (who wasn't selling a book) consider low carb, high fat diets to be good?


The millions of people who bought the books maybe?
 
2012-06-12 01:11:00 AM
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It's not good for motorcycles, either.
 
2012-06-12 01:11:55 AM
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2012-06-12 01:12:25 AM
I'm following the "It tastes like shiat" diet.

Basically if it tastes like shiat, you eat it. Invariably, if something tastes good, it's bad for you. So buy more of the stuff that tastes like shiat.

Seems to be working.
 
2012-06-12 01:15:27 AM
Yes, many people have lost weight on a low carbohydrate diet, and an entire industry has sprouted up around that claim. But while complex carbohydrate consumption in the U.S. has declined significantly since the late 1990s, American obesity rates remain the highest on the planet.

Uh, what? When did this happen?

Seriously, we're at a point where even water is now loaded with sugar.

They'll make their usual claim: that this is yet another conspiracy of scientists who just don't get it, scientists who don't understand nutrition, scientists who somehow made it through their PhD's and MD's without knowing the first thing about how the human body works. But let's face it -- most of us know in our hearts that eschewing a breakfast of whole grains and fruit crowned with a dab of yogurt for a greasy pile of sausage, bacon, and eggs is not the road to health.

I didn't realize that your heart was now considered a scientific source.

Also, the paper doesn't even refute the idea of low carb diets. It refutes the idea of diets where fat consumption went up slightly. Here's an except:

In conclusion, men and women in northern Sweden decreased their reported intake of total and saturated fat in the first years following the introduction of an intervention programme, but after 2004 fat intake increased, especially saturated fat and butter-based spread for bread and butter for cooking. Supportive opinions in media for high-fat diets seem to have had an impact on consumer behaviour. Initially beneficial and thereafter deleterious changes in blood cholesterol paralleled these trends in food selection, whereas a claimed weight reduction by high-fat diets was not seen in the most recent years. In contrast, BMI increased continuously over the 25-year period. These changes in risk factors may have important effects on primary and secondary prevention of CVD.

I'm pretty sure that the low carb diet doesn't encourage people to eat lots and lots of bread.
 
2012-06-12 01:19:04 AM

Lipspinach: whatshisname: When did anyone (who wasn't selling a book) consider low carb, high fat diets to be good?

The millions of people who bought the books maybe?


I've never seen a long-term "low-carb" diet plan that was really all that low carb anyways. None that I've seen say "ketosis for life!" and every one I've seen recommends tracking what you eat and tweaking what you eat based on your activity level. If you are active, you can up your carbs quite a bit.

On top of that, you look at a lot of the low-carb advice and it biggest focus is cutting out sugar snacks and bullshiat like white bread. 1 cup of berries is fewer carbs than a slice of wonder bread. An active person still eat quite a bit of fruits, veggies, milk, etc.

I think the low-carb plans get a much worse rap than they should.
 
2012-06-12 01:19:24 AM
Yeah, look at figure 2.

This study is talking about people who (in the mens' case) went from roughly 240g of carbohydrates per day per 2000 calories to 200g (on a 2000 calorie diet, 40% of energy from carbs would = 800cal from carbs. 1g/4cal = 200g). At the same time they approached 40% of their energy as an upper bound from fat - again, same calorie diet = 800/cal * 1g/9cal = 88.8g of fat. (Now, as a bonus question - wonder how many of these people ate anything close to a 2000 calorie diet?)

This study doesn't say anything about "low-carb/high-fat" diets at all.
 
2012-06-12 01:20:44 AM
I've heard that those keto diets are really good for kids with epilepsy.

And by "heard" I mean "read on the interwebs"
 
2012-06-12 01:25:30 AM

schrodinger: Yes, many people have lost weight on a low carbohydrate diet, and an entire industry has sprouted up around that claim. But while complex carbohydrate consumption in the U.S. has declined significantly since the late 1990s, American obesity rates remain the highest on the planet.

Uh, what? When did this happen?

Seriously, we're at a point where even water is now loaded with sugar.

They'll make their usual claim: that this is yet another conspiracy of scientists who just don't get it, scientists who don't understand nutrition, scientists who somehow made it through their PhD's and MD's without knowing the first thing about how the human body works. But let's face it -- most of us know in our hearts that eschewing a breakfast of whole grains and fruit crowned with a dab of yogurt for a greasy pile of sausage, bacon, and eggs is not the road to health.

I didn't realize that your heart was now considered a scientific source.

Also, the paper doesn't even refute the idea of low carb diets. It refutes the idea of diets where fat consumption went up slightly. Here's an except:

In conclusion, men and women in northern Sweden decreased their reported intake of total and saturated fat in the first years following the introduction of an intervention programme, but after 2004 fat intake increased, especially saturated fat and butter-based spread for bread and butter for cooking. Supportive opinions in media for high-fat diets seem to have had an impact on consumer behaviour. Initially beneficial and thereafter deleterious changes in blood cholesterol paralleled these trends in food selection, whereas a claimed weight reduction by high-fat diets was not seen in the most recent years. In contrast, BMI increased continuously over the 25-year period. These changes in risk factors may have important effects on primary and secondary prevention of CVD.

I'm pretty sure that the low carb diet doesn't encourage people to eat lots and lots of bread.


HFCS is a simple sugar.
 
2012-06-12 01:32:45 AM

meat0918:

HFCS isn't a simple sugar.


fixt
 
2012-06-12 01:37:01 AM
What about the frogurt?
 
2012-06-12 01:41:54 AM
If it weren't for grappellispizza.com, I'd be an Adonis.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:51 AM

Stile4aly: What about the frogurt?


It's cursed. But you get your choice of topping.
 
2012-06-12 02:04:09 AM

lewismarktwo: meat0918:

HFCS isn't a simple sugar.

fixt


HFCS is just bad.
 
2012-06-12 02:06:11 AM

GearishFear: How is taking in 45% of your calories by way of carbs a low-carb diet? I'm fairly certain people who are pushing for high fats are only taking in like 5-10% carbs.


Exactly. Even back when Atkins wrote his book he specifically mentioned that most "low-carb" studies only dropped the cabs a little bit. In the initial phase of his diet carbs are dropped to well under 30 grams a day, or 10% of normal intake. It needs to be this low for his diet to actually force your metabolism to change. So whoever wrote this drivel obviously knows nothing about an actual low-carb diet.

But that's nothing compared to this whopper:

FTA: But the popular folk lore that carbohydrates found naturally in fruits, vegetables and grains are responsible for the nation's epidemic of obesity...

Lol wut?

Ok, does it even count as a straw man argument if you obviously live in a fantasy land?

/been on Atkins and yes, it works like crazy for weight loss. Is it healthy for you long term? Almost certainly not.
 
2012-06-12 02:17:28 AM

LordOfThePings: Stile4aly: What about the frogurt?

It's cursed. But you get your choice of topping.


That's good.
 
2012-06-12 02:21:45 AM

Zombalupagus: /been on Atkins and yes, it works like crazy for weight loss. Is it healthy for you long term? Almost certainly not.


It actually has multiple phases. Once you get past the actual weight-losing phase you can add quite a bit more carbs.

And, to add to my earlier post, regardless of what diet you choose for your lifetime goals, exercise and activity is your friend. If you are doing much of either, you will be eating plenty of carbs even on a relatively low-carb diet.
 
2012-06-12 02:22:47 AM

AbbeySomeone: lewismarktwo: meat0918:

HFCS isn't a simple sugar.

fixt

HFCS is just bad.


All refined sugars are bad when you consume too much.
 
2012-06-12 02:36:44 AM
I've seen this article already. The study is bad and the article is worse. I could go into it more, but you should be skeptical of the language alone.
 
2012-06-12 02:50:21 AM

Harry_Seldon: AbbeySomeone: lewismarktwo: meat0918:

HFCS isn't a simple sugar.

fixt

HFCS is just bad.

All refined sugars are Everything is bad when you consume too much.


FTFY.
 
2012-06-12 03:07:12 AM

Benjimin_Dover: "Low anything-high anything else" diets are all bad. Your body was made to have a balance of all three of fat, protein, and carbs.


CITATION NEEDED
 
2012-06-12 03:08:35 AM
In the last 3 weeks i've cut out Fast Food, Chips, regular and diet soda, candy, and added salt. I've been traveling for work, and somehow i got into these crap food habits over the course of the last 8 months. Mind you i've never stopped working out or exercising (a couple years ago I had my bench press at 300lbs, while my body weight was 195). I had gotten up to 240lbs and just decided that if i didnt fix this mess i put myself in, i was going to get fat as can be. I had basically gotten to the point where I was addicted to shiat food. Now, i'm mentally focused. I've been working on a go-live for a hospital, for the last four nights doing 12 hour nights. Junk food everywhere, and all i'm doing is water, black coffee, apples and oranges, and protein shakes.

I've already dropped 14lbs and starting to see some of my old muscle definition again. Coupled with doing cardio and lifting, I'm about 20lbs away from being at a good weight again. its a huge burden off my shoulders, because I knew what i was doing but for whatever reason the light wasn't going off in my head telling me to freaking STOP!.

I completely understand people that struggle with food. Its the same brain processes that get you addicted to whatever else, eating shiatty foods just feels good. Its been very, very, very hard the last few weeks to deal with. especially cutting out salt. but like i said, its a relief that i got my mind right with bad eating.

in any case, i have noticed i'm eating less carbs. but not out of forcing myself; I just havent been craving them since i started really dieting hard.
 
2012-06-12 03:20:12 AM

Smackledorfer: Zombalupagus: /been on Atkins and yes, it works like crazy for weight loss. Is it healthy for you long term? Almost certainly not.

It actually has multiple phases. Once you get past the actual weight-losing phase you can add quite a bit more carbs.

And, to add to my earlier post, regardless of what diet you choose for your lifetime goals, exercise and activity is your friend. If you are doing much of either, you will be eating plenty of carbs even on a relatively low-carb diet.


Been using Atkins for almost two years and have lost 160 pounds. Even under the first stage of it your eating tons of veggies. 4-6 ounce of meat per meal. No where in Dr Atkins book does it say go crazy on butter or other fats.
 
2012-06-12 03:35:15 AM

LordJiro: Harry_Seldon: AbbeySomeone: lewismarktwo: meat0918:

HFCS isn't a simple sugar.

fixt

HFCS is just bad.

All refined sugars are Everything is bad when you consume too much.

FTFY.


I ate a giant bowls of raw veggies for dinner with a little balsamic vinegar and hot sesame chili oil ( and 56 grams of baked chicken). I like it, but it makes me gassy.

//the kind of thing you will confess to Farkers, but not your best friends.
 
2012-06-12 06:46:02 AM
Most people just need to indulge the low-everything diet.

It solves the entire issue.
 
2012-06-12 07:20:19 AM
I prefer the, "exercise vigorously, est whatever the hell i want" diet.

/""
 
2012-06-12 07:32:08 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

(Though, as Pollan himself has attested, Inuit subsist rather well on a diet comprising mostly seal meat.)


I have been eating asparagus and salmon almost everyday this month. My urine smells horrid but I feel grrrrreat.
 
2012-06-12 07:52:24 AM

meat0918: TofuTheAlmighty: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

(Though, as Pollan himself has attested, Inuit subsist rather well on a diet comprising mostly seal meat.)

And blubber. Don't forget the blubber.


Macadamia.
 
2012-06-12 08:01:01 AM

Benjimin_Dover: "Low anything-high anything else" diets are all bad. Your body was made to have a balance of all three of fat, protein, and carbs.


Yeah, but the carbs weren't things like processed sugar, high fructose corn syrup, or stuff like bread and potatoes. It was more like the natural sugars in fruits and such, and unprocessed whole grains.

The problem becomes when your diet consists mostly of stuff like potatoes, bread, pasta, etc. Those are easily absorbed and calorie dense foods that make it far too easy to take in more energy than you burn. I went on a low-carb, low-fat diet over a year ago, and I've lost over 60 lbs. I even *FEEL* healthier. And it's not just a diet, it's how I eat now.
 
2012-06-12 08:08:32 AM

schrodinger:
They'll make their usual claim: that this is yet another conspiracy of scientists who just don't get it, scientists who don't understand nutrition, scientists who somehow made it through their PhD's and MD's without knowing the first thing about how the human body works. But let's face it -- most of us know in our hearts that eschewing a breakfast of whole grains and fruit crowned with a dab of yogurt for a greasy pile of sausage, bacon, and eggs is not the road to health.

I didn't realize that your heart was now considered a scientific source.


ConAgra loves me, this I know.
For Monsanto tells me so.
All our base belong to it.
So eat your corn; stop talking shiat.
 
2012-06-12 08:12:23 AM
I lost 60 pounds over the last year on a low-ish carb, reasonable-calorie diet. 1,500 calories on days I don't work out, 1,800 calories on days I do. Cut way back on "dense" carbs (pasta, potatoes,) still have whole wheat bread a few times a week. Get out and walk about 3 miles when I get home from work rather than sit on the couch and drink beer. No fast food, & keep a huge box of 1-oz packs of peanuts from Sam's in the office for when I need a mid-afternoon snack.

Sounds radical, I know.
 
2012-06-12 08:17:58 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: No where in Dr Atkins book does it say go crazy on butter or other fats.


Exactly. He says that they aren't as bad as most people assume, so people shouldn't be afraid of them, but recommends as balanced a diet as possible while maintaining whatever amount of carbs causes you to still lose weight.
 
2012-06-12 08:18:08 AM

Old enough to know better: As someone who just got put on high blood pressure meds, this article is relevant to my interests.


Having just got myself OFF of high blood pressure meds and anti-inflammatories, you owe it to yourself to check out this book and this site:

- 53 lbs and counting...

The Primal Blueprint

http://www.marksdailyapple.com
 
2012-06-12 08:19:08 AM
Look its not that hard. Like someone said above me most high carb foods are calorie dense and nutritionally vacuous. Bread, potatoes, pasta, staples of the american diet are composed of nothing but pure make-you-fatium molecules. Eat meat, eat cheese, eat veggies. Their nutrition to calorie ratio is a lot higher. Hell I even stay away from fruit, because honestly you can get most of the nutrition you can get from fruit in vegetables without the huge amounts of sugar. If most americans would stop drinking carbonated syrup and chugging bread like its a requirement with every meal they'd be fine. and guess what, if you do that its carb restriction. You dont have to freebase butter to be on a low carb diet.
 
2012-06-12 08:23:48 AM

TofuTheAlmighty: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

(Though, as Pollan himself has attested, Inuit subsist rather well on a diet comprising mostly seal meat.)


you can eat mostly plants, and still eat low-carb. I do.
My diet is around 50-60 % non starchy plants, the rest fat and protein. No grains! No sugar!

Im a type 1 diabetic and have reduced my insulin requirements to 0-3 units per meal (before I was taking 7-12 units per meal). Im 32 and my bloodwork looks like a teenagers (cholesterol, hA1C). I'm under 8% bodyfat.
And to anyone who thinks you need carbs for 'energy'. I did this brutal crossfit workout last month while in ketosis (zero carb for a few days) and had one of the best scores at my gym- "Murph" (1 mile run, 100 pullups, 200 pushups, 300 Squats, another 1 mile run, all wearing a 20 pound vest)- I did it in 43 minutes.

If someone can get this can of success eating high carb... Bravo! But I havent seen it, or been able to do it myself.
 
2012-06-12 08:25:14 AM
We need to add basic nutrition as a class starting in 1st grade. An entire generation doesn't have any idea how to eat healthy so they can't pass that information on to their kids. If we teach people how to eat and exercise young maybe in 30 or 40 years well start reducing obesity numbers.
 
2012-06-12 08:25:35 AM
I lost 50 pounds of unsightly fat on low-carb, then I became physically active again, upped the carbs to match my level of physical activity, works like a charm.

Haven't eaten fast food since 2008

/jonesing for a Wendy's cheeseburger and fries and frostee
 
2012-06-12 08:29:02 AM
Low carbohydrate evangelists will almost certainly attack today's announcement--and perhaps this post -- with biblical fury. They'll make their usual claim: that this is yet another conspiracy of scientists who just don't get it, scientists who don't understand nutrition, scientists who somehow made it through their PhD's and MD's without knowing the first thing about how the human body works.

How activists are destroying the public's trust in science... but it's for your own good!
 
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