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(Grist)   $28 for a cabbage, $65 per pound for chicken, $105 for a case of bottled water. No, this isn't New York. Welcome to Nunavut Canada   (grist.org) divider line 243
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2012-06-11 10:18:00 PM

optikeye: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Marcus Aurelius: [learnsomethingnewtoday.us image 250x253]
Maybe they should MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS

Came to make sure this had been covered

/thank you, Mr. Aurelius

You're both retarded. They where a Nomadic tribe that did move and hunt and live off the land, until the land was taken away from them and they where placed on a reservation.


I was not aware that hunting was forbidden in this part of the great white north. Thank God hunting is legal here. I could only imagine the price of beef should deer season be cancelled next year.
 
2012-06-11 10:19:23 PM
Thought that we were talking about convention food service at McCormick Place.
 
2012-06-11 10:21:06 PM
The entire community for the most part lives on government welfare and does not work.

Actually, most the community does not have jobs, but they all work. Do the math, just with $65 chicken, your food would cost several times what they get in welfare. They do pretty much everything themselves, else they die. Saying these people don't work because there is no one offering jobs that pay cash is like saying mothers never work cause no one pays them.

"The decline of hunting is partially due to the fact that young people lack the skills to survive off the land. They are no longer skilled in hunting like their ancestors and are growing more accustomed to the Qallunaat ("White people") food that they receive from the south. The high costs of hunting equipment-snowmobiles, rifles, sleds, camping gear, gasoline, and oil-is also causing a decline in families who hunt for their meals."

Um... Your people survived for generations without that sh*t.

Then the white Christians came along and made them stop migrating (it made building churches too hard) and made the children learn reading and writing instead of how to hunt and fish. We made it impossible for them to learn the important things to maintaining their culture (killed off several hundred native languages not to mention the specialized knowledge required to hunt enough to feed your self and your family in that ecosystem) and kept it up long enough for those with the knowledge to die off.

Or find somewhere to create your own self-sufficient society.

They are already at the ends of the earth, where do you suggest they go?

You left out the part where we set them up to fail, forced to live on the worst land we could find, dragging their children away to be buggered, terrorized and brainwashed in Christian residential schools (they were beaten for speaking their Native language), robbing them of what riches their land later was found to have, and generally screwing them over seven ways from Sunday. Yeah, it's all their fault those lazy drunken Indians >:(

And all this happened when?


1890s through ~1970s. I know natives who were beaten as children for speaking their own languages.
 
2012-06-11 10:22:19 PM
I like how the denigration of the pole, a lasting lifestyle eliminated for progress, is illuminated here on Fark, jokingly.

We joke while the world melts...

Welcome the to world?

;)
 
2012-06-11 10:22:54 PM
They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting in to when they agreed to live up there. I say let 'em starve!
 
2012-06-11 10:23:38 PM

Kazan: InspectorZero: unyon: This isn't particularly new. It's as expensive as hell to live in the north with a southern diet. What did flabbergast me was the $104 case of Nestle water. I have no idea why someone that lives amongst melting glaciers would feel the need to buy bottled water, like it's somehow better from someplace else on the planet. Three cheers for marketing!

Well, the glaciers you speak of produce water free from flouride, pharmaceuticals and various other industrial waste. Why would you not want that? That stuff helps your teeth.

flouride actually does help your teeth - in small amounts. so don't lump it in with the other two unless you enjoy looking like a farking retard


Must be the effect of all the fluoride.
 
2012-06-11 10:24:21 PM
Have people always lived in these towns or do they only exist to support the sportsmen that come for the hunting and fishing?
 
2012-06-11 10:31:08 PM
Ahhh... the internet... it burns...

So many people...such assholes.... ahhhhhhhh
 
2012-06-11 10:32:17 PM
That is just seriously messed up. Normally i am against government telling business what they can charge for stuff but in this case they needs to step in and investigate as someone is gouging someone along the line and it needs to stop.
 
2012-06-11 10:35:49 PM

ununcle:
I agree, but I don't understand why the free market isn't working in this case. Why the hell wouldn't an entrepreneur step up and half the prices and make a huge profit and be a savior. I just don't get these times. It's like the people who can stand up and make a difference just don't want to.


Because 1) humans are incredibly greedy, and 2) anyone doing that would find themselves doing a naked dog paddle in middle of Hudson Bay.
 
2012-06-11 10:36:45 PM

9beers: According to Google, the capital, Iqaluit, has a Kentucky Fried Chicken. I wonder how much they charge for some delicious chicken?


http://relocatecanada.com/nunavut/index.html reports $44 a bucket
 
2012-06-11 10:36:56 PM
Electrify:
Last residential school closed down in the 1990s.

NotARocketScientist:
I know natives who were beaten as children for speaking their own languages.

Thanks. There are either some real dedicated trolls, or some super racist asshats in this thread. The smug white entitlement just reeks.

wildcardjack:
If you want milk get it in bulk pallets of UHT room temp stable product

I'm not saying you're a terrible person, but UHT milk is not tasty. It's ok for your tea and baking but a glass of it is not really drinkable. (YMMV). Soy/almond milk would be perfect for up north but I bet they'd still get stuck paying $10 a carton for it :/
 
2012-06-11 10:37:44 PM

HempHead: Gough: HempHead: Marcus Aurelius: [learnsomethingnewtoday.us image 250x253]
Maybe they should MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS

Actually, the Canadian government relocated the tribes there from land white men coveted.

I don't think this is the case with the Inuit. They've been hanging out there for thousands of years. An interesting aside is that the Canadian government doesn't group them with the other aboriginal groups that they call "First Nations."

According to wikipedia:

During the 1980s, the relocated Inuit and their descendants initiated a claim against the Canadian Government arguing that "there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that the central, if not the sole, reasons, for the relocation of Inuit to the High Arctic was the desire by Canada to assert its sovereignty over the Arctic Islands and surrounding area", and in 1987 sought $10 million in compensation from the federal government.[12]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Arctic_relocation


My mistake, thanks for posting that.
 
2012-06-11 10:39:11 PM

Walkingtalkingeye: [whl.uploads.mrx.ca image 628x260]
Don't mess with my Tootoo


Heh, didn't he have a pretty severe alcohol/drug problem?
 
2012-06-11 10:41:55 PM
I worked with someone who went up there, worked for the power authority. Ridiculous pay, but everyone has a job gurantee. This "they don't work" thing isn't true: they work. They do very little. He is in IT and they had a full, room-sized multifunction printer capable of collating, folding, and everything, people's power bills.

Again he was paid so much he was willing to relocate his family in to a place where your food comes in rarely via boat/plane and you get picked up at your doorstep because of the insane temperature and bizzards.

This machine was provided de facto because it was used everywhere else to get the job done - but theirs was collecting dust. So he set it up and turned it on. They were furious, because it was half a dozen or so people's jobs to come in, once a week, to sit in a circle and hand fold/seal all the power bills.

They had no interest in efficiency/productivity.

History is what it is, but these people are so addicted to sugar they have no teeth, pain killers that we have to debate whether we can stop narcotic abuse of them because of their dependency, and alcohol, oh god the alcohol..
 
2012-06-11 10:47:24 PM
People on welfare in Nunavut make $41K a year. I've lost all sympathy.
Canadian Gov't
/coming from someone who has lived on the rez and understands some of the problem; it's still not sustainable.
 
2012-06-11 10:47:51 PM
Area of Nunavut: 2,093,190 sq. km (808,185 sq. miles) (Natural Resources Canada, 2001)
Population of Nunavut: 31,906 (Statistics Canada, 2011 Census)

Gee why would fresh vegetables an processed food be expensive?
 
2012-06-11 10:49:05 PM
But on the other hand, bags of ice are only a dollar.
 
2012-06-11 10:50:10 PM

change1211: Walkingtalkingeye: [whl.uploads.mrx.ca image 628x260]
Don't mess with my Tootoo

Heh, didn't he have a pretty severe alcohol/drug problem?


Who doesn't, plebe?

Seriously, caster of stones, stones aggregate...

Coffee much?

Sugar much?

Tobacco much?

"Illicits" much?

fark off.

;)
 
2012-06-11 10:52:35 PM

Haplo127x: People on welfare in Nunavut make $41K a year. I've lost all sympathy.


Well, maybe it costs that much to live there... At least, until recently when the food cost jumped.
 
2012-06-11 10:52:35 PM

9beers: Here are some food menus for a few restaurants in the region. Remember, these prices are at least a few years old.

Link


So it's like living in an airport terminal... (price-wise)...
 
2012-06-11 10:53:51 PM

parkthebus: ᐊᑏ ᓂᕆᓕᖅᑕ


Can someone please tell me what font this is?

/threadjack?
 
2012-06-11 11:00:35 PM
So it's remote, and cold, and sparsely settled, but none of that really explains why food is so outrageously expensive that the basic necessities of life are beyond normal people's reach.

Actually, that really does explain it. How far do you think that cabbage has to travel to get up there? I'll tell ya: A fark of a long way. And it ain't getting there by truck.

They either need to learn to live like their ancestors or [sam_kinison.jpg]
 
2012-06-11 11:03:47 PM
Some of these people saying they should just get jobs reminds me of an old episode of South Park, when on their way to the rainforest they pass through an impoverished Central American town and Cartman yells out the window for the people to get jobs.
 
2012-06-11 11:11:48 PM

Philbb: parkthebus: ᐊᑏ ᓂᕆᓕᖅᑕ

Can someone please tell me what font this is?


Inuktitut is the language. The Wiki page links to "Inuktitut fonts" so you can see all of them. I remember seeing it on signs and placards all over the Inuit towns I visited. I think it was on the safety card in the seat back on one plane flight I took.
 
2012-06-11 11:14:43 PM

Indubitably: change1211: Walkingtalkingeye: [whl.uploads.mrx.ca image 628x260]
Don't mess with my Tootoo

Heh, didn't he have a pretty severe alcohol/drug problem?

Who doesn't, plebe?

Seriously, caster of stones, stones aggregate...

Coffee much?

Sugar much?

Tobacco much?

"Illicits" much?

fark off.

;)


2.5/10
 
2012-06-11 11:18:45 PM
What currency are they using up there? The Zimbabwean Dollar?
 
2012-06-11 11:22:18 PM

HempHead: According to wikipedia:

During the 1980s, the relocated Inuit and their descendants initiated a claim against the Canadian Government arguing that "there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that the central, if not the sole, reasons, for the relocation of Inuit to the High Arctic was the desire by Canada to assert its sovereignty over the Arctic Islands and surrounding area", and in 1987 sought $10 million in compensation from the federal government.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Arctic_relocation


They moved 87 Inuit to one specific area. There were Inuit around there for thousands of years and in fact 3 of the Inuit they moved were from nearby (they were to be guides). So stop distorting reality to fit your own biased views.
 
2012-06-11 11:27:25 PM

Rakishi: HempHead: According to wikipedia:

During the 1980s, the relocated Inuit and their descendants initiated a claim against the Canadian Government arguing that "there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that the central, if not the sole, reasons, for the relocation of Inuit to the High Arctic was the desire by Canada to assert its sovereignty over the Arctic Islands and surrounding area", and in 1987 sought $10 million in compensation from the federal government.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Arctic_relocation

They moved 87 Inuit to one specific area. There were Inuit around there for thousands of years and in fact 3 of the Inuit they moved were from nearby (they were to be guides). So stop distorting reality to fit your own biased views.


The plot thickens....
 
2012-06-11 11:29:15 PM

Indubitably: The Bear spirit is a strong one.

Destroy the land on which the bear lives, and the bear spirit may curse you forever to spoil your endeavors forever squared.

Tread carefully, uglies.

;)


images.wikia.com

Some still retain the bear spirit
 
2012-06-11 11:42:27 PM

change1211: Indubitably: change1211: Walkingtalkingeye: [whl.uploads.mrx.ca image 628x260]
Don't mess with my Tootoo

Heh, didn't he have a pretty severe alcohol/drug problem?

Who doesn't, plebe?

Seriously, caster of stones, stones aggregate...

Coffee much?

Sugar much?

Tobacco much?

"Illicits" much?

fark off.

;)

2.5/10


Bit rate?

Pffft.

Guess what? When schooled, you don't get to rate; you just learn.

;)
 
2012-06-11 11:52:30 PM

Mike_LowELL: Only in Taxbongo's America.


ummm...
nevermind...

I'm sure you think that's ironic or relevant or whatever.

good for you.
 
2012-06-11 11:53:05 PM
Anybody other then me have any experience in the bush?

Not likely on fark.
 
2012-06-11 11:57:59 PM
They need a Frostco.
 
2012-06-12 12:00:35 AM
I am just guessing here, but maybe this is what's happening:

1. Raise Prices
2. Natives can't afford food, cry to government
3. Government increases social assistance for food.
4. Raise Prices
ecetera......

The population of Nunavut is 32,000. When you are dealing with a government with 14 million taxpayers money, I'm sure the pockets seem endless. The sad thing is if this is what happening, it is certainly what you would expect from a capitalist system driven by the desire to make as much money as possible.
 
2012-06-12 12:01:13 AM

optikeye: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Marcus Aurelius: [learnsomethingnewtoday.us image 250x253]
Maybe they should MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS

Came to make sure this had been covered

/thank you, Mr. Aurelius

You're both retarded. They where a Nomadic tribe that did move and hunt and live off the land, until the land was taken away from them and they where placed on a reservation.


They're free to move again. Many Inuit continue to hunt and live off the land (at least partially). Nobody's forcing them to stay on a reservation.
 
2012-06-12 12:14:58 AM

Rakishi: HempHead: According to wikipedia:

During the 1980s, the relocated Inuit and their descendants initiated a claim against the Canadian Government arguing that "there is overwhelming evidence to suggest that the central, if not the sole, reasons, for the relocation of Inuit to the High Arctic was the desire by Canada to assert its sovereignty over the Arctic Islands and surrounding area", and in 1987 sought $10 million in compensation from the federal government.[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Arctic_relocation

They moved 87 Inuit to one specific area. There were Inuit around there for thousands of years and in fact 3 of the Inuit they moved were from nearby (they were to be guides). So stop distorting reality to fit your own biased views.


You had better get your butt over to wikipedia and edit that there page then buddy boy so it reflects the true reality®.
 
2012-06-12 12:15:11 AM
There has to be gouging going on here, it isn't just transportation costs like some people are claiming.
I've lived on a remote Pacific atoll that got all of it's supplies flown or barged in the 2400 miles from farking Hawaii and it still wasn't that expensive, even for meats and veggies.

/Repies, kick...yadda yadda.
//Prices in Hawaii are high, but not that high if you avoid the Waikiki ABC stores
 
2012-06-12 12:23:51 AM

buzzcut73: I've lived on a remote Pacific atoll that got all of it's supplies flown or barged in the 2400 miles from farking Hawaii and it still wasn't that expensive, even for meats and veggies.


The only way into many of these areas for 9 months out of the year is by flying and then you have the weather to contend with.
 
2012-06-12 12:23:52 AM

Perducci: They're free to move again. Many Inuit continue to hunt and live off the land (at least partially). Nobody's forcing them to stay on a reservation.


Considering the fact that it would likely be necessary to fly out of Nunavut in order for people to move, how do you propose they pay for the move when they can't even afford to feed themselves?

It's not like the area has drivable roads most of the year.
 
2012-06-12 12:25:58 AM

HempHead: You had better get your butt over to wikipedia and edit that there page then buddy boy so it reflects the true reality®.


Hey, don't get butt hurt when the source you cite utterly fails to support your claim. Not my fault you're incompetent at making an argument.
 
2012-06-12 12:44:02 AM

leevis: shower_in_my_socks: leevis: Perhaps you'd prefer the die-hard leftists goal of food rationing.

I'm a die-hard leftist and I don't support food rationing. Your move.

Well good for you. The first thing I thought of when I read your earlier post was a half-wit college professor I had several years back. She practically wet herself talking about how wonderful it would be if everybody had their entire life laid out for them when they were born, and all production and consumption was predetermined by the government.
And don't worry about taking a vacation or even a leave of absence, they won't leave you with enough take-home pay to even think about saving anything. THIS WAS IN OUR TEXTBOOK. This same professor also tried to say that scientists from the Soviet Union, which didn't even exist until the end of WW1, invented a light bulb before Thomas Edison.


You should have gone to a better college. But then again since that's the first thing you think of when you think of leftists - and that your first thought is about "leftists" well, ...
 
2012-06-12 12:59:27 AM

fireclown: Woof. I thought the transportation costs came down hard in Hawaii.

All Kinnison jokes aside, they might just want to pack it in and move to Vancouver. In a few generations they'll be assimilated.



No.

No, no, NO NO NO ...... Not EVER.

This has been tried thousands of times - Nice idea, in theory, to be sure - but no way in hell would it ever work so wonderfully as you presume.

If it worked at all, then it would work only after 8 to 10 generations (on average; of course, a small percentage would pick up on it right away, but most would be complete disasters).

Check out http://www.missingwomeninquiry.ca/ and numerous other reports on similar attempts by natives/aboriginals to escape the poverty (largely caused by tribal leaders, as has been pointed out) of native reserves.
 
2012-06-12 01:04:30 AM

LesserEvil: Well, at least they get their ice cream treats cheap, right?


i.qkme.me
 
2012-06-12 01:05:45 AM

Reverend Monkeypants: . I mean, WTF did the Inuit do before there was bottled water?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-12 01:08:24 AM

9beers: buzzcut73: I've lived on a remote Pacific atoll that got all of it's supplies flown or barged in the 2400 miles from farking Hawaii and it still wasn't that expensive, even for meats and veggies.

The only way into many of these areas for 9 months out of the year is by flying and then you have the weather to contend with.


I guess I wasn't specific enough. The barge came about once every 9 months if we were lucky. Everything else was flown in. True, the landing weather was nicer where I was, but it still had to be flown IFR for 2400 miles, from suppliers that were based in Hawaii, where things are already expensive due to transportation costs from the mainland.

True, my experience is anecdotal, but it is still based in experience. There is no way that transportation costs make a head of cabbage cost $28. The USDOT BTS has air freight cost at just over $1.00/ton/mile for air freight, which means shipping a head of cabbage (avg weight 2lbs) costs about $2.42 to ship by air for 2400 miles. (2lb/2000)(2400*1.01). Even if you double the ton/mile cost of air shipment to account for the remote airstrip, you still can't come up with a scenario where there is some gouging in the name of transportation costs going on.
 
2012-06-12 01:14:25 AM

FormlessOne: Free market capitalism at its ugliest.
/flame on



It stops becoming a free market when goods are heavily restricted and hoarded by a small number of people causing high prices.
 
2012-06-12 01:16:47 AM

buzzcut73: but it still had to be flown IFR


Why would it have to be flown IFR?
 
2012-06-12 01:17:39 AM
Raymond King wrote a book called "Ayorama: That's the Way It Is", which describes the attempts to "civilize" the Inuit people and Christianize them, and his travels in the wild with different family groups. It's profoundly depressing what a little civilization can do to thousands upon thousands of years of successful existence.
 
2012-06-12 01:18:35 AM

OscarTamerz: They're just a bunch of drunk Eskimos so of course they're going to have the hell gouged out of them. If they had a modicum of ambition they'd set up a food collective, drive the store out of business and sell the food themselves. But that would require them to not get drunk all day every day. Just drive a truck down the Dempster Highway and buy all the food they want for a decent price and bring it back. It wouldn't take too many $65 chickens to finance the project. But that would require someone to forgo getting drunk for 4 days, too big of a sacrifice for Little Bear and his squaw.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 640x480]


*Sigh* The stupid, it burns.

First off, the Dempster runs from the Yukon just outside of Dawson City (population, maybe 1000) to Inuvik, NWT which is a thousand miles or so from Nunavut's capital. And where would that food come from? Maybe Whitehorse, the biggest city in the Yukon which according to a YP.ca search has two supermarkets(Extra Foods, Real Canadian Superstore) to serve 20,000 people. (Whitehorse oddly enough has a Starbucks). And it's a few hundred miles to the Dempster from Whitehorse. Or of course they can somehow manage to fill a cargo plane with groceries in Yellowknife, NWT which has two branches of Extra Foods.

When you factor in the weather also, it's a bit difficult to be bootstrappy and haul in a shiatload of food from another small isolated city a thousand miles away
 
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