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2012-06-11 11:51:53 AM  
There is only so much we can do. 11 years is enough. It is time for the Afghans to rise or fall on their own. We have our own problems to attend to.
 
2012-06-11 11:52:51 AM  
at least it was a good investment.
 
2012-06-11 11:53:31 AM  
FTA: Success...will largely depend on what happens in the next two years.

This is a repeat of 2004...2005...2006...
 
2012-06-11 11:56:19 AM  
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-11 11:58:11 AM  
Accomplishment?

Nothing.
How about nothing.

Lots of people got PAID and that's all that matters when you're a capitalist PIMP.
 
2012-06-11 11:59:14 AM  
The GOP and Romney didn't want us to get out of Iraq, and now they don't want us out of Afghanistan. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex is their primary mission, regardless of the cost in human lives. Too bad there isn't a word that would describe what this is...
 
2012-06-11 11:59:44 AM  
BLah Blah Blah....the author of this article has shiat but an opinion. If you haven't been in the shiat you have no place talking about it. It's all about me and my buddies asses and not the pinko liberal commie tree huggers that spout this crap. You don't know what it's like -- I'm the one out there every day putting his ass on the line. And I'm not out of order! You're out of order! The whole freaking system is out of order! You want the truth? You want the truth? You can't handle the truth! 'Cause when you reach over and put your hand into a pile of goo that used to be your best friend's face, you'll know what to do! Forget it you scumbag, it's Chinatown!"
 
2012-06-11 12:02:08 PM  

montex: The GOP and Romney didn't want us to get out of Iraq, and now they don't want us out of Afghanistan. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex is their primary mission, regardless of the cost in human lives. Too bad there isn't a word that would describe what this is...


0/10- It's Obama's War.


www.carolinapatriots.org
 
2012-06-11 12:03:38 PM  

montex: The GOP and Romney didn't want us to get out of Iraq, and now they don't want us out of Afghanistan. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex is their primary mission, regardless of the cost in human lives. Too bad there isn't a word that would describe what this is...


Oh but wait there's more.

Romney has said he will go to war with Iran. Iran is four times larger than Iraq and we put 1.5 million military personnel into Iraq.

The $600 billion we spent in Afghanistan will be a drop in the bucket compared to the money we spend in Iran if Romney gets elected.

How many people will we lose in Iran? Romney apparently doesn't care how many we lose. Just as long as those contractors who are funding his campaign get him elected so he can start stacking the cheese for them.
 
2012-06-11 12:06:57 PM  
Liberals tax and spend tax and spend, social costs, welfare queens, socialist queers, sanctity of marriage, suck blow suck blow.

What a colossal waste. Big fat rich white kids being bullies in somebody else's sandbox. Surgical eliminations and black ops and no publicity and a lot of this could have been just "cleaned up". Instead we get the biggest corporate and administrative Dine and Dash of all time. Emptied the public coffers and ran away laughing their asses off. Congratulations.
 
2012-06-11 12:07:03 PM  
well, at least we got all that oil...
 
2012-06-11 12:08:38 PM  
Russians are laughing their asses off

/DNRTFA
 
2012-06-11 12:09:47 PM  
Isn't "Christian Science" somewhat contradictory in terms?

That's always bothered me.
 
2012-06-11 12:19:39 PM  
Of the conquerors of Afghanistan only the Mongols had anything that would considered success and their methods were a bit harsh. The Brits couldn't do it when you could be full mean, the USSR couldn't do it when you could be a bit mean, why do you we think our methods will work? Even our "Give hugs while well armed" method has gotten us where? Some people don't want to be saved, don't want to be moved into the 20th century let alone the 21st.
The Afghan problem appeals to the worst of both sides of the political aisles. The right doesn't want to appear to be backing down from a fight without a clear win on the score board. They want to spread capitalism and contain the spread of the "evil". The left wants to help the downtrodden, fix what war and poverty has destroyed and help make an inclusive society for all. But the Afghan want none of that. We can't make them want any of that. Their culture, their religion, their tribes, their history point to they don't want it now and probably ever. Those that will turn it into a training ground for their brand of evil have plenty of places to do so and probably still doing their training their today, even with our efforts. The hubris of the west is that all societies can be reformed if we just try hard enough. It just isn't true. While a person might be smart, people are stupid and will do stupid things that are clearly not in their best interests. Add a thousand years of it and you will bankrupt any empire trying to undo it.

I'll put it in a Fark friendly way:
Afghanistan is like a stripper. The business man thinks more dollars in g-string means more going on in the champagne room, the bleeding heart thinks the stripper can be saved if they just to got to talk about it and get the stripper some education, and the stripper just wants the money from both of them and they both can get the freak out of there so the stripper can score some drugs and get back to her hazy life of just like yesterday. No matter how much one talks or the other pays, they've been doing the hazy life so long there is no other way. And like most stripper stories it ends up with somebody getting stabbed in some far away place all hepped up on goofballs, tons of money used and wasted and only death gets a tally in the win column.
 
2012-06-11 12:20:15 PM  
That was a rather unnerving article

I hope real diplomats that have way more info can help.(very naive assumption).

Maybe a Real leader can unite the disparate factions. I would just like the cultural hatred between groups to be moderated. As mentioned in the article, making a "nation" with the Army as a melting pot is an admirable goal. I wish them luck. Education is the key and the different advisors and trainers from multi-national forces are the ones to do it.

I would not really like to be assigned to a unit training the ANA. The folks doing that job have my utmost respect.
 
2012-06-11 12:21:46 PM  

baronvonzipper: Russians are laughing their asses off

/DNRTFA


At least we didn't go against a Sicilian WHEN DEATH WAS ON THE LINE
 
2012-06-11 12:22:38 PM  

mytdawg: Isn't "Christian Science" somewhat contradictory in terms?

That's always bothered me.



Bothered enough to look up why it's called that
 
2012-06-11 12:23:19 PM  
FTA: Aid donors point to increased political freedoms, improved economic opportunities, thousands of newly built girls' schools, and rising survival rates for newborn infants and their mothers.

And every bit of this will be flushed down the crapper when the last American leaves. I predict that in less then five years after we are gone they will have reverted back to what they were.
I am sad for the American lives that were lost and I support our troops there, I'd hate to see that it was all for nothing.
 
2012-06-11 12:26:16 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Accomplishment?

Nothing.
How about nothing.

Lots of people got PAID and that's all that matters when you're a capitalist PIMP.


Not for lack of effort by some.
 
2012-06-11 12:29:00 PM  

dougermouse: Of the conquerors of Afghanistan only the Mongols had anything that would considered success and their methods were a bit harsh. The Brits couldn't do it when you could be full mean, the USSR couldn't do it when you could be a bit mean, why do you we think our methods will work? Even our "Give hugs while well armed" method has gotten us where? Some people don't want to be saved, don't want to be moved into the 20th century let alone the 21st.
The Afghan problem appeals to the worst of both sides of the political aisles. The right doesn't want to appear to be backing down from a fight without a clear win on the score board. They want to spread capitalism and contain the spread of the "evil". The left wants to help the downtrodden, fix what war and poverty has destroyed and help make an inclusive society for all. But the Afghan want none of that. We can't make them want any of that. Their culture, their religion, their tribes, their history point to they don't want it now and probably ever. Those that will turn it into a training ground for their brand of evil have plenty of places to do so and probably still doing their training their today, even with our efforts. The hubris of the west is that all societies can be reformed if we just try hard enough. It just isn't true. While a person might be smart, people are stupid and will do stupid things that are clearly not in their best interests. Add a thousand years of it and you will bankrupt any empire trying to undo it.

I'll put it in a Fark friendly way:
Afghanistan is like a stripper. The business man thinks more dollars in g-string means more going on in the champagne room, the bleeding heart thinks the stripper can be saved if they just to got to talk about it and get the stripper some education, and the stripper just wants the money from both of them and they both can get the freak out of there so the stripper can score some drugs and get back to her hazy life of just like yesterday. No matter ho ...


Or, we could just say that we should apply the Prime Directive to Afghanistan. If they don't want us there, let's get the hell out.
 
2012-06-11 12:33:10 PM  
The biggest losers of the Iraq war were the people of Afghanistan.
 
2012-06-11 12:35:39 PM  

dougermouse: I'll put it in a Fark friendly way:
Afghanistan is like a stripper. The business man thinks more dollars in g-string means more going on in the champagne room, the bleeding heart thinks the stripper can be saved if they just to got to talk about it and get the stripper some education, and the stripper just wants the money from both of them and they both can get the freak out of there so the stripper can score some drugs and get back to her hazy life of just like yesterday. No matter how much one talks o ...


That is the most beautiful assessment of the situation I have ever read and one I think I will use henceforth.

/Your newsletter...I stole one.
 
2012-06-11 12:39:27 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: montex: The GOP and Romney didn't want us to get out of Iraq, and now they don't want us out of Afghanistan. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex is their primary mission, regardless of the cost in human lives. Too bad there isn't a word that would describe what this is...

Oh but wait there's more.

Romney has said he will go to war with Iran. Iran is four times larger than Iraq and we put 1.5 million military personnel into Iraq.

The $600 billion we spent in Afghanistan will be a drop in the bucket compared to the money we spend in Iran if Romney gets elected.

How many people will we lose in Iran? Romney apparently doesn't care how many we lose. Just as long as those contractors who are funding his campaign get him elected so he can start stacking the cheese for them.


NO way the American public let's this happen. You guys are bankrupt and in trouble, there would be too much of an outcry over invading Iran. And if yuo guys don't uprise, you deserve the next huge recession. Plus I don't think you can beat Iran, you've been toiling around in 2 third world countries now for 12 years... As much as the Americans talk and go to war, you're not very good at it.
 
2012-06-11 12:41:12 PM  

ChipNASA: It's all about me and my buddies asses and not the pinko liberal commie tree huggers that spout this crap.


IN other words, you are way too retarded to grasp the concept that the Christian Science Monitor is a CONSERVATIVE publication.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

This should help you
 
2012-06-11 12:46:01 PM  

msirois: TheShavingofOccam123: montex: The GOP and Romney didn't want us to get out of Iraq, and now they don't want us out of Afghanistan. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex is their primary mission, regardless of the cost in human lives. Too bad there isn't a word that would describe what this is...

Oh but wait there's more.

Romney has said he will go to war with Iran. Iran is four times larger than Iraq and we put 1.5 million military personnel into Iraq.

The $600 billion we spent in Afghanistan will be a drop in the bucket compared to the money we spend in Iran if Romney gets elected.

How many people will we lose in Iran? Romney apparently doesn't care how many we lose. Just as long as those contractors who are funding his campaign get him elected so he can start stacking the cheese for them.

NO way the American public let's this happen. You guys are bankrupt and in trouble, there would be too much of an outcry over invading Iran. And if yuo guys don't uprise, you deserve the next huge recession. Plus I don't think you can beat Iran, you've been toiling around in 2 third world countries now for 12 years... As much as the Americans talk and go to war, you're not very good at it.


We reelected George W. Bush. The stupid in this country knows no bottom. But I would say this election is about war (Romney) and peace (Obama). The choice is pretty damn clear if people would take a moment and think back to the last Republican administrations.
 
2012-06-11 12:48:20 PM  

TheHappTroll: mytdawg: Isn't "Christian Science" somewhat contradictory in terms?

That's always bothered me.


Bothered enough to look up why it's called that


Christian Scientists are weird, but as far as News Organizations go, CSM is great. They are conservative, but are never afraid to call out the Right for acting like morons and point out when the Left is actually bringing up valid discussion points. I would say CSM is what Fox would be if they were actually interested in being "Fair and Balanced", which of course they aren't.
 
2012-06-11 12:50:48 PM  

Mikey1969: ChipNASA: It's all about me and my buddies asses and not the pinko liberal commie tree huggers that spout this crap.

IN other words, you are way too retarded to grasp the concept that the Christian Science Monitor is a CONSERVATIVE publication.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

This should help you


media.tumblr.com
Link
img.ponibooru.org
 
2012-06-11 12:57:02 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: msirois: TheShavingofOccam123: montex: The GOP and Romney didn't want us to get out of Iraq, and now they don't want us out of Afghanistan. Supporting the Military Industrial Complex is their primary mission, regardless of the cost in human lives. Too bad there isn't a word that would describe what this is...

Oh but wait there's more.

Romney has said he will go to war with Iran. Iran is four times larger than Iraq and we put 1.5 million military personnel into Iraq.

The $600 billion we spent in Afghanistan will be a drop in the bucket compared to the money we spend in Iran if Romney gets elected.

How many people will we lose in Iran? Romney apparently doesn't care how many we lose. Just as long as those contractors who are funding his campaign get him elected so he can start stacking the cheese for them.

NO way the American public let's this happen. You guys are bankrupt and in trouble, there would be too much of an outcry over invading Iran. And if yuo guys don't uprise, you deserve the next huge recession. Plus I don't think you can beat Iran, you've been toiling around in 2 third world countries now for 12 years... As much as the Americans talk and go to war, you're not very good at it.

We reelected George W. Bush. The stupid in this country knows no bottom. But I would say this election is about war (Romney) and peace (Obama). The choice is pretty damn clear if people would take a moment and think back to the last Republican administrations.


I don't get the States, it's such a great place, but dam.. Lately seems it's batshiat nuts down there. I mean I'm not a conservative, but there have been some pretty dam smart men in that party, who knew about Economics, were educated, were well spoken, were willing to work with the Libs, not nut cases likes you guys have in that party now. I mean seriously, the whole conservative party has only crazy people in it. I mean you guys narrowed it down to a guy who wears magic underwear... Where have all the normal conservatives gone??? Someone tell me.
 
2012-06-11 12:58:39 PM  

Mikey1969: TheHappTroll: mytdawg: Isn't "Christian Science" somewhat contradictory in terms?

That's always bothered me.


Bothered enough to look up why it's called that

Christian Scientists are weird, but as far as News Organizations go, CSM is great. They are conservative, but are never afraid to call out the Right for acting like morons and point out when the Left is actually bringing up valid discussion points. I would say CSM is what Fox would be if they were actually interested in being "Fair and Balanced", which of course they aren't.


The purpose of our journalism is to "bless" not "injure." That is central to how we cover the news:
We're unrelenting but fair.
We're excited by what's new and developing - yet always mindful of the history behind us.
We're broad in scope but written for the individual.
And we make a point of resisting the sensational in favor of the meaningful.

About CSM
 
2012-06-11 01:03:35 PM  

mytdawg: Isn't "Christian Science" somewhat contradictory in terms?

That's always bothered me.


Not at all, unless you're some kind of heathen who's 'too good' for laying on of hands and uses devil-based "medical intervention" to get your children out of diabetic comas.
 
2012-06-11 01:11:33 PM  

kingoomieiii: mytdawg: Isn't "Christian Science" somewhat contradictory in terms?

That's always bothered me.

Not at all, unless you're some kind of heathen who's 'too good' for laying on of hands and uses devil-based "medical intervention" to get your children out of diabetic comas.


I never got that, if it is wrong to stop God's grace from deciding who lives or dies, why are they allowed to eat?
 
2012-06-11 01:21:12 PM  
The same thing that is holding back this country is the same thing that is holding back Pakistan, Iraq, Iran, and most of the middle east - religion.

Take out the idiots clinging to hardcore/old school/insane interpretations of their religion (esp. those who also wield the power of government), and you'd make light years of progress. Every time articles like this one are published, one thing always stands out - the utter contempt the younger subjects of the article have for the extremist elders in their part of the world.

they may love and respect their faith, but they want running water, college degrees, and the ability to wear shorts and drive a car if they want to. they want education and work that doesn't revolve solely around 'why god tells us to hate people'.

No amount of guns or good will from the West will change that. That kind of change can only come from within.
 
2012-06-11 01:49:30 PM  

baronvonzipper: Russians are laughing their asses off

/DNRTFA


That.

Don't know why anyone thinks there's more worth saying...
 
2012-06-11 02:00:52 PM  

ChipNASA: Mikey1969: ChipNASA: It's all about me and my buddies asses and not the pinko liberal commie tree huggers that spout this crap.

IN other words, you are way too retarded to grasp the concept that the Christian Science Monitor is a CONSERVATIVE publication.

Thanks for clearing that up for us.

This should help you

[media.tumblr.com image 225x225]
Link
[img.ponibooru.org image 548x360]


Not new at all, there are just plenty of asshat morons bouncing around Fark, as you should well know. Since I didn't recognize your name as one of the people I've seen, it was an easy mistake to make
 
2012-06-11 03:58:31 PM  
www.bpod.org

Here's the deal.

When we believe the images and memes spread about why we're in Afghanistan, we fail to examine the whole deck of cards. Because the best way to lie is to tell the truth ... just not all of it.

Yes our men are killing pork-hating misogynists. Yes, we're tearing down terrorist strongholds. And that's good. I approve.

But ... the real story is the battle for control of a $500 billion annual black market crop, all of which goes off-book.

If you think the people who line the shoreline drives of Newport Beach and Martha's Vineyard and deep in the foilage of Arlington VA actually care about terrorism or national security or whether your airline flight is safe .... you're not just dumb, you're dangerously ignorant.

Government DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU

What they do care about is the black market pipeline of off-book dollars remaining in their control. Tis why the Russians were there in the 80s, trying to get control of this vast source of wealth. Why the British were there in the late 1800s, why the Bekka Valley is constantly in turmoil and why Burma is now a military junta drug war lord hell hole. Cuba, for God's dake, is the primary conduit for laundered $$$ between the Americas and Europe. Or, didn;t anyone read how Al Capone set that up by effectively owning Mexico? And why this global war on terror includes Mexican drug cartels one faction of this global war is using against another faction.

It is now, it is always, it will always be about the Opium.

Anyone tells you different is either lying,. Or, uneducated.

Selah
 
2012-06-11 04:07:10 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [www.bpod.org image 400x300]

Here's the deal.

When we believe the images and memes spread about why we're in Afghanistan, we fail to examine the whole deck of cards. Because the best way to lie is to tell the truth ... just not all of it.

Yes our men are killing pork-hating misogynists. Yes, we're tearing down terrorist strongholds. And that's good. I approve.

But ... the real story is the battle for control of a $500 billion annual black market crop, all of which goes off-book.

If you think the people who line the shoreline drives of Newport Beach and Martha's Vineyard and deep in the foilage of Arlington VA actually care about terrorism or national security or whether your airline flight is safe .... you're not just dumb, you're dangerously ignorant.

Government DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU

What they do care about is the black market pipeline of off-book dollars remaining in their control. Tis why the Russians were there in the 80s, trying to get control of this vast source of wealth. Why the British were there in the late 1800s, why the Bekka Valley is constantly in turmoil and why Burma is now a military junta drug war lord hell hole. Cuba, for God's dake, is the primary conduit for laundered $$$ between the Americas and Europe. Or, didn;t anyone read how Al Capone set that up by effectively owning Mexico? And why this global war on terror includes Mexican drug cartels one faction of this global war is using against another faction.

It is now, it is always, it will always be about the Opium.

Anyone tells you different is either lying,. Or, uneducated.

Selah


The Helmand Valley irrigation project helped create thousands of fertile acres for the production of opium. The CIA and other federal government agencies helped develop that district during the 1950s.

Just like Cambodia, Laos and Thailand during the Vietnam war. And Central and South America during Reagan. The US government is making clandestine money off of drugs. Along with plenty of very rich Americans who are all for democracy in drug production areas. As long as it's their kind of democracy.
 
2012-06-11 04:08:12 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: [www.bpod.org image 400x300]

Here's the deal.

When we believe the images and memes spread about why we're in Afghanistan, we fail to examine the whole deck of cards. Because the best way to lie is to tell the truth ... just not all of it.

Yes our men are killing pork-hating misogynists. Yes, we're tearing down terrorist strongholds. And that's good. I approve.

But ... the real story is the battle for control of a $500 billion annual black market crop, all of which goes off-book.

If you think the people who line the shoreline drives of Newport Beach and Martha's Vineyard and deep in the foilage of Arlington VA actually care about terrorism or national security or whether your airline flight is safe .... you're not just dumb, you're dangerously ignorant.

Government DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU

What they do care about is the black market pipeline of off-book dollars remaining in their control. Tis why the Russians were there in the 80s, trying to get control of this vast source of wealth. Why the British were there in the late 1800s, why the Bekka Valley is constantly in turmoil and why Burma is now a military junta drug war lord hell hole. Cuba, for God's dake, is the primary conduit for laundered $$$ between the Americas and Europe. Or, didn;t anyone read how Al Capone set that up by effectively owning Mexico? And why this global war on terror includes Mexican drug cartels one faction of this global war is using against another faction.

It is now, it is always, it will always be about the Opium.

Anyone tells you different is either lying,. Or, uneducated.

Selah


Ron Paul like typing detected....
 
2012-06-11 04:59:05 PM  
the spice must flow!
 
2012-06-11 06:44:53 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Just like Cambodia, Laos and Thailand during the Vietnam war. And Central and South America during Reagan. The US government is making clandestine money off of drugs. Along with plenty of very rich Americans who are all for democracy in drug production areas. As long as it's their kind of democracy.


But I thought we should decriminalize drugs? Is it only a crime if it's a Republican profiting from the deal?
 
2012-06-12 12:13:13 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Clemkadidlefark: [www.bpod.org image 400x300]

Here's the deal.

When we believe the images and memes spread about why we're in Afghanistan, we fail to examine the whole deck of cards. Because the best way to lie is to tell the truth ... just not all of it.

Yes our men are killing pork-hating misogynists. Yes, we're tearing down terrorist strongholds. And that's good. I approve.

But ... the real story is the battle for control of a $500 billion annual black market crop, all of which goes off-book.

If you think the people who line the shoreline drives of Newport Beach and Martha's Vineyard and deep in the foilage of Arlington VA actually care about terrorism or national security or whether your airline flight is safe .... you're not just dumb, you're dangerously ignorant.

Government DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU

What they do care about is the black market pipeline of off-book dollars remaining in their control. Tis why the Russians were there in the 80s, trying to get control of this vast source of wealth. Why the British were there in the late 1800s, why the Bekka Valley is constantly in turmoil and why Burma is now a military junta drug war lord hell hole. Cuba, for God's dake, is the primary conduit for laundered $$$ between the Americas and Europe. Or, didn;t anyone read how Al Capone set that up by effectively owning Mexico? And why this global war on terror includes Mexican drug cartels one faction of this global war is using against another faction.

It is now, it is always, it will always be about the Opium.

Anyone tells you different is either lying,. Or, uneducated.

Selah

The Helmand Valley irrigation project helped create thousands of fertile acres for the production of opium. The CIA and other federal government agencies helped develop that district during the 1950s.

Just like Cambodia, Laos and Thailand during the Vietnam war. And Central and South America during Reagan. The US government is making clandestine money off of drugs. Along with plenty of ...


Close. And you're so right about the Shan Mountain States, the 5th Koumintang, the origin of Heroin #3, etc etc

But it's not the "government" per se.

It's the scion-families of the Northeast who built the China Trade. CT is a euphemism for the opium trade. Among the leaders of that vast accumulation of wealth from opium are the Russels, the Forbes, the Delano family. You remember a famous Delano. Franklin Delano Roosevelt? His grandfather made a fortune on the Pearl River delta that would make Bill Gates gasp. Franklin inherited it all. A fortune built on the addiction horrors of coolies and peasants.

There's not a chance in hell that the 100 or so families of the Northeast who controlled the China Trade gave it up as modernity approached. You don't quit a business where your money quite literally grows on trees. What you do is create onion layers of Law, Regulation, office holders, government bastions of power beholden to you, etc etc. They're still in it up to their eyeballs but you'll never prove it.

And that's who is battling to control the Trade. There are always new players for them to whack, to sidestep, to control and to deal with. All we have to know that Opium is the reason for Afghanistan is that DARPA in the late 90s develpoed an aerosol micro-fungicide that when applied aerially not only kills the current crops but ruins the ground for a decade+, and harms nothing else.

And the USA has never used this strategic measure anywhere in the world, let alone Afghanistan. That means powerful people in and out of government are protecting rice bowls. The rest follows logically.

Because, "government" doesn't make decisions in and of itself. There is no government, only people acting like government. And people are making the decision not to use the aerial spray. By denying the Taliban and Al-Queda and Pakistan's ISI the money flow from opium we could be out of the region inside of a year. I think that's about as ipso-facto as it gets.
 
2012-06-12 12:14:19 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Clemkadidlefark: [www.bpod.org image 400x300]

Here's the deal.

When we believe the images and memes spread about why we're in Afghanistan, we fail to examine the whole deck of cards. Because the best way to lie is to tell the truth ... just not all of it.

Yes our men are killing pork-hating misogynists. Yes, we're tearing down terrorist strongholds. And that's good. I approve.

But ... the real story is the battle for control of a $500 billion annual black market crop, all of which goes off-book.

If you think the people who line the shoreline drives of Newport Beach and Martha's Vineyard and deep in the foilage of Arlington VA actually care about terrorism or national security or whether your airline flight is safe .... you're not just dumb, you're dangerously ignorant.

Government DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU

What they do care about is the black market pipeline of off-book dollars remaining in their control. Tis why the Russians were there in the 80s, trying to get control of this vast source of wealth. Why the British were there in the late 1800s, why the Bekka Valley is constantly in turmoil and why Burma is now a military junta drug war lord hell hole. Cuba, for God's dake, is the primary conduit for laundered $$$ between the Americas and Europe. Or, didn;t anyone read how Al Capone set that up by effectively owning Mexico? And why this global war on terror includes Mexican drug cartels one faction of this global war is using against another faction.

It is now, it is always, it will always be about the Opium.

Anyone tells you different is either lying,. Or, uneducated.

Selah

Ron Paul like typing detected....


(sigh)

I despair
 
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