I'm sure this will in no way make the Republican party look like they are putting politics ahead of doing the work of the people.

dr_blasto: If DOJ has turned over tens of thousands of documents and Holder has appeared some 8 times, what is the committee still expecting? What is contempt for?

I ask, only because it seems they are mad that DOJ didn't turn over documents that specifically say Holder personally handed guns to Mexican drug lords. What if nothing more is actually there?

So, they named the person at DOJ who was ultimately responsible for this? I must have missed that. What was his name again?

War crimes are still cool, though.

People died, Holder lied.

BillCo: dr_blasto: If DOJ has turned over tens of thousands of documents and Holder has appeared some 8 times, what is the committee still expecting? What is contempt for?

I ask, only because it seems they are mad that DOJ didn't turn over documents that specifically say Holder personally handed guns to Mexican drug lords. What if nothing more is actually there?

So, they named the person at DOJ who was ultimately responsible for this? I must have missed that. What was his name again?

Some guy named Freeway Ricky Ross. Trust me. It all begins and ends with him.

So can any federal employee set foreign policy or do you have to be a 3rd shift supervisor or something?

I liked the part where Holder goes to Vin Diesel's cool party, but there's only one beer left. Because when I think of a really cool party, I think they would only have one beer.

Big_Fat_Liar: So can any federal employee set foreign policy or do you have to be a 3rd shift supervisor or something?

I think it's all about how zealous their staffers are. A 3rd shift supervisor with a staffer of average zealotry certainly isn't going anywhere in the world. If he wants to be 2nd shift, or even 1st, his staffer's going to have to pick it up and run. The more zealous the better. You simply can't possess too much zeal.

So, the GOP's going with the "fark it, we can't gain power through the democratic process, let's try this bullshiat again" strategy.

Issa has said that his investigations will not necessarily be partisan - he's indicated that he might investigate the George W. Bush presidency as well as the current administration - but Democrats anticipate an aggressive posture from the California Republican when it comes to oversight of the Obama administration.

This sounds legit.

BeesNuts: Big_Fat_Liar: So can any federal employee set foreign policy or do you have to be a 3rd shift supervisor or something?

I think it's all about how zealous their staffers are. A 3rd shift supervisor with a staffer of average zealotry certainly isn't going anywhere in the world. If he wants to be 2nd shift, or even 1st, his staffer's going to have to pick it up and run. The more zealous the better. You simply can't possess too much zeal.



Disagrees

BeesNuts: You simply can't possess too much zeal.

This zeal has got to stop! How much zeal does one person need, anyway?

See, this is what happens when you go full derp over arugula and mustard and Kenya and secret athiesm and secret Islam and liberation theology and communing and fascism and the amero paling around with terrorists and not bombing Libya and bombing Libya and killing osama from the golf course and surrendering to the UN and on and on.

You bust someone doing something genuinely bad and no one is gonna care.

dr_blasto: If DOJ has turned over tens of thousands of documents and Holder has appeared some 8 times, what is the committee still expecting? What is contempt for?

I ask, only because it seems they are mad that DOJ didn't turn over documents that specifically say Holder personally handed guns to Mexican drug lords. What if nothing more is actually there?

Do you not remember the Jon Stewart clip where he made fun of the DOJ's response by showing an entirely redacted piece of paper? The DOJ's response has been a joke. They are stonewalling in the worst possible way in order to protect whomever is responsible for the deaths resulting from F&F.

Watch this clip of Holder being questioned if you need further proof of how bad it's gotten. The guy questioning Holder has a copy of an email that mentions "gun walking" via F&F prior to the death of Brian Terry and Holder keeps trying to say it was in reference to Wide Receiver not F&F. The guy is completely full of crap and the only reason I hope Romney wins this election is to see Holder and his cronies get what's coming to them.

Ned Stark: See, this is what happens when you go full derp over arugula and mustard and Kenya and secret athiesm and secret Islam and liberation theology and communing and fascism and the amero paling around with terrorists and not bombing Libya and bombing Libya and killing osama from the golf course and surrendering to the UN and on and on.

You bust someone doing something genuinely bad and no one is gonna care.

^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^

It's like the boy who cried wolf X 10⁹.

dr_blasto: Ned Stark: See, this is what happens when you go full derp over arugula and mustard and Kenya and secret athiesm and secret Islam and liberation theology and communing and fascism and the amero paling around with terrorists and not bombing Libya and bombing Libya and killing osama from the golf course and surrendering to the UN and on and on.

You bust someone doing something genuinely bad and no one is gonna care.

That's a bit of my problem. It seems that DOJ did something really bad but the constant bullshiat spewing from the far right makes it hard to believe anything they claim.

If this is a legit thing (the cover up bit, clearly f&f was not proper), then Holder should go. The beaurocrat or political person that came up with the f&f fiasco should be held responsible.


It seems like congress should confirm a director for ATF. Having never had an actual director may have an effect of accountability within the organisation.

How much fury though? And more importantly, how much Keefe?

fracto73: dr_blasto: Ned Stark: See, this is what happens when you go full derp over arugula and mustard and Kenya and secret athiesm and secret Islam and liberation theology and communing and fascism and the amero paling around with terrorists and not bombing Libya and bombing Libya and killing osama from the golf course and surrendering to the UN and on and on.

You bust someone doing something genuinely bad and no one is gonna care.

That's a bit of my problem. It seems that DOJ did something really bad but the constant bullshiat spewing from the far right makes it hard to believe anything they claim.

If this is a legit thing (the cover up bit, clearly f&f was not proper), then Holder should go. The beaurocrat or political person that came up with the f&f fiasco should be held responsible.


It seems like congress should confirm a director for ATF. Having never had an actual director may have an effect of accountability within the organisation.

And how would that go, given Congress's willingness to work with the president?

Guns don't kill people, and weapons suppliers are not responsible for what happens after they transfer ownership.

It was just a little illegal gun running. Overzealous staffer.

Ned Stark: See, this is what happens when you go full derp over arugula and mustard and Kenya and secret athiesm and secret Islam and liberation theology and communing and fascism and the amero paling around with terrorists and not bombing Libya and bombing Libya and killing osama from the golf course and surrendering to the UN and on and on.

You bust someone doing something genuinely bad and no one is gonna care.

Your assessment of the situation is correct. This is pretty much being buried in the news because the GOP is more concerned about abortions and just shouting "NO!" at whatever Obama wants. They've put out so much noise that it's hard to make sense of the GOP at this point.

The sad thing is, this does seem to be a legitimate scandal and Holder should be held accountable for it.

Cat Food Sandwiches: People died, Holder lied.

Jesus cried.

Why this guy is still the AG is beyond me, in this case he either incompetent or a lier.

HotWingConspiracy: Guns don't kill people, and weapons suppliers are not responsible for what happens after they transfer ownership.

It's the coverup that got Nixon and "These documents pertain to Operation Fast and Furious, the claims of whistleblowers, and why it took the Department nearly a year to retract false denials of reckless tactics" lying about this for a year that will get Holder.
Just ask Olly North.

Brubold: dr_blasto: If DOJ has turned over tens of thousands of documents and Holder has appeared some 8 times, what is the committee still expecting? What is contempt for?

I ask, only because it seems they are mad that DOJ didn't turn over documents that specifically say Holder personally handed guns to Mexican drug lords. What if nothing more is actually there?

Do you not remember the Jon Stewart clip where he made fun of the DOJ's response by showing an entirely redacted piece of paper? The DOJ's response has been a joke. They are stonewalling in the worst possible way in order to protect whomever is responsible for the deaths resulting from F&F.

Watch this clip of Holder being questioned if you need further proof of how bad it's gotten. The guy questioning Holder has a copy of an email that mentions "gun walking" via F&F prior to the death of Brian Terry and Holder keeps trying to say it was in reference to Wide Receiver not F&F. The guy is completely full of crap and the only reason I hope Romney wins this election is to see Holder and his cronies get what's coming to them.

Jon Stewart the stupid lib? Nice try.

Fox News or it didnt happen.

bullwrinkle: Why this guy is still the AG is beyond me, in this case he either incompetent or a lier.

Forget all that, he doesn't have half the singing voice of an Ashcroft.

//but your factless concern trolling is duly noted

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Cat Food Sandwiches: People died, Holder lied.

Jesus cried.


Mama Tried