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2012-06-11 03:44:24 PM

Guelph35: Rwa2play: Hope ESPN will broadcast that "Big One for One Drop" game. Just looked that up on the schedule.

Also: how did 22 people come up with $1 Million just for the *buy-in*?!

They're up to around 40 entrants, of which maybe 10 are 100% funded by themselves. Everyone else is selling their action so they'll have at most 100k of their own money at risk.


Makes sense. Not many people just carry around $1 Million for something like that.

desertgeek: ESPN announced a couple of weeks ago that they'll have that final table "live," meaning on a 15 minute delay.


Ehhhhh I'll pass and wait for the "highlights" show on Tuesdays in August. I thought the "Iive" show would be interesting, but it wasn't.
 
2012-06-11 03:57:17 PM

The Flexecutioner: jackiepaper: The Flexecutioner: It was a freaking $2500 Razz buy in with 309 people. Big whoop. The bracelet tally only counts on the main event.

there are precious few people who would pony up $2500 for a Razz tournament. A solid portion of that tourney were seasoned pros well-accustomed to playing Razz. Its not the $1500 NLH donkament, FFS.

/Stu Ungar only bested a field of 312 in the '97 main event.

it isn't a "precious few". it is pros who were bored with NL or Omaha and like the atmosphere that doesnt involve the donkfest of the main event when they are on break from cash games. it is still no biggie. i remember reading a few years ago that Jennifer Harmon (or someone else, not positive on it) was told the rules of Razz for the first time as she was sitting down to the table and won the tourney. it isnt a complex game, but it is a break from the Cadillac of poker games.

i know that the main event attendance was really low compared to now after it got popular 10+ years ago, but 309 pales in comparison to the multiple thousands who attend the main event.

/i won a razz free roll on FTP with 1500 players
//i'd played it maybe 5 times before
///im not very good at it if that puts it in perspective


I love razz because it is probably the easiest game to play/win. Alot of it is memory of what cards have been folded by other players. Sure, alot of the times you don't have the full information of what they have, but you can make some really strong educated guesses to if they have a hand that can beat you by their upcards alone.
 
2012-06-11 04:17:29 PM
I am awesome at Razz when I play 7-Stud. (Start with Aces? Here comes a 2, 3, 4, 6, and 7)
I am awesome at 7-Stud when I play Razz. (Start with A-2? Here comes an A, 2, Q, Q, and K)
 
2012-06-11 04:59:23 PM

The Flexecutioner: jackiepaper: The Flexecutioner: It was a freaking $2500 Razz buy in with 309 people. Big whoop. The bracelet tally only counts on the main event.

there are precious few people who would pony up $2500 for a Razz tournament. A solid portion of that tourney were seasoned pros well-accustomed to playing Razz. Its not the $1500 NLH donkament, FFS.

/Stu Ungar only bested a field of 312 in the '97 main event.

it isn't a "precious few". it is pros who were bored with NL or Omaha and like the atmosphere that doesnt involve the donkfest of the main event when they are on break from cash games. it is still no biggie. i remember reading a few years ago that Jennifer Harmon (or someone else, not positive on it) was told the rules of Razz for the first time as she was sitting down to the table and won the tourney. it isnt a complex game, but it is a break from the Cadillac of poker games.

i know that the main event attendance was really low compared to now after it got popular 10+ years ago, but 309 pales in comparison to the multiple thousands who attend the main event.

/i won a razz free roll on FTP with 1500 players
//i'd played it maybe 5 times before
///im not very good at it if that puts it in perspective


You made my point. Its a field of I'd guess 75%+ pros, which is a more difficult, skill-wise, proposition. Razz is, to be sure, a bit of an "easier" game, but not as much when most of your opponents are very very good poker players. And as to Harman, most top level players can pick up just about any poker variation easily.
 
2012-06-11 05:22:21 PM
Here's the thing with Phil, you don't have to respect the man, but you do have to respect the achievement.
 
2012-06-11 05:57:42 PM

jackiepaper: The Flexecutioner: jackiepaper: The Flexecutioner: It was a freaking $2500 Razz buy in with 309 people. Big whoop. The bracelet tally only counts on the main event.

there are precious few people who would pony up $2500 for a Razz tournament. A solid portion of that tourney were seasoned pros well-accustomed to playing Razz. Its not the $1500 NLH donkament, FFS.

/Stu Ungar only bested a field of 312 in the '97 main event.

it isn't a "precious few". it is pros who were bored with NL or Omaha and like the atmosphere that doesnt involve the donkfest of the main event when they are on break from cash games. it is still no biggie. i remember reading a few years ago that Jennifer Harmon (or someone else, not positive on it) was told the rules of Razz for the first time as she was sitting down to the table and won the tourney. it isnt a complex game, but it is a break from the Cadillac of poker games.

i know that the main event attendance was really low compared to now after it got popular 10+ years ago, but 309 pales in comparison to the multiple thousands who attend the main event.

/i won a razz free roll on FTP with 1500 players
//i'd played it maybe 5 times before
///im not very good at it if that puts it in perspective

You made my point. Its a field of I'd guess 75%+ pros, which is a more difficult, skill-wise, proposition. Razz is, to be sure, a bit of an "easier" game, but not as much when most of your opponents are very very good poker players. And as to Harman, most top level players can pick up just about any poker variation easily.


not really, you overvalue the definition of "pro". "pro" is thrown around so much that there is no real definition of pro. people who make a low to average wage (less than $5k/month) consider themselves "pro". plenty of business people who make their money elsewhere enter into these tournaments and de facto call themselves "pro" because they were in the tourneys or at the same table as a famous player. the skill level in razz is highly subjective as well as the ones willing to drop $2500 entry fees. The famous, recognizable pros could give a rat's ass about the payout in those things and they know they are padding their bracelet status in the easy wins category. they are marketing themselves when they aren't rounding in cash games, where real money is earned. very few pros consider the majority of their earnings come from tournaments.

i reiterate, it's a meaningless bracelet.
 
2012-06-11 06:02:35 PM

Harv72b: Nana's Vibrator: He won a razz tournament. It means he won by having the worst cards. Sounds about right.

Razz is, without a doubt, the most annoying and rage-enduced-vomit-creating form of poker in creation. Even worse than Omahaha Hi/Lo.


This. Ok I'm dealing. One eyed jacks man with the axe and all red deuces and black threes are wild, ante up mofos.
 
2012-06-11 06:17:17 PM

fatalvenom: Sports tab?


After ESPN bought paid for and infected FARK's sports tab the definitions of a lot od things here changed forever. Poker is now sport.
 
2012-06-11 06:47:34 PM

jackiepaper: You made my point. Its a field of I'd guess 75%+ pros, which is a more difficult, skill-wise, proposition. Razz is, to be sure, a bit of an "easier" game, but not as much when most of your opponents are very very good poker players. And as to Harman, most top level players can pick up just about any poker variation easily.


Case in point: There's a 10-game mix tournament this year. One of the games is a Korean 4-card poker variant called badugi. I very much doubt any non-Korean player who enters that tournament has ever played badugi. But I also very much doubt a Korean is gonna win that tournament.

As for Razz being an "easier" game, this is Phil Hellmuth's first bracelet in a non-Hold'em-exclusive event.
 
2012-06-11 06:50:19 PM

The Flexecutioner: It was a freaking $2500 Razz buy in with 309 people. Big whoop. The bracelet tally only counts on the main event.


Before 2002, these events rarely attracted more than 100 players. So it should've been easier to win 'em back then, right? Right?
 
2012-06-11 06:53:16 PM

IlGreven: jackiepaper: You made my point. Its a field of I'd guess 75%+ pros, which is a more difficult, skill-wise, proposition. Razz is, to be sure, a bit of an "easier" game, but not as much when most of your opponents are very very good poker players. And as to Harman, most top level players can pick up just about any poker variation easily.

Case in point: There's a 10-game mix tournament this year. One of the games is a Korean 4-card poker variant called badugi. I very much doubt any non-Korean player who enters that tournament has ever played badugi. But I also very much doubt a Korean is gonna win that tournament.

As for Razz being an "easier" game, this is Phil Hellmuth's first bracelet in a non-Hold'em-exclusive event.


I know for a fact that some of the big name pros have played Badugi. Hell, you can find that game on Pokerstars.

/Played it once on there
//Bigger pain in the ass than Razz
 
2012-06-11 08:19:30 PM
Hellmouth....Buffy.
 
2012-06-12 07:32:05 AM

SharkTrager: This one is ridiculous to include in that total. You can play a tournament of this caliber at any number of casinos on any given weekend.


No you cannot. You can't even find a Razz tournament anywhere but online usually. This was the only purely Razz tournament I saw on the schedule this year (I actually thought about playing in it). Razz is a pretty simple game where you have more info about a players hand than any other common form of poker, but it is a legitimate game and there should be at least one bracelet available for it.

Good job, Phil.
 
2012-06-12 09:54:49 AM
Congrats, Phil. It couldn't have happened to a bigger douchebag.
 
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