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(The Nation)   In the good vs evil story of the NBA Finals, the media has wrongly painted Miami the villain. An Oklahoma City win would reward the owners that move teams and demand new stadiums from taxpayers   (thenation.com) divider line 21
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2012-06-11 03:41:56 AM
6 votes:
Can't we all just agree that the NBA is and is full of trash; players, owners, and management?
2012-06-11 03:10:18 AM
6 votes:
And a Miami win would reward the sh*tbags who bail on their loyal fans to form Super Teams in an effort to win an easy championship instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.

Pick your poison.
2012-06-11 12:57:15 PM
3 votes:
No matter who wins, basketball loses. You either give vindication to the concept of haves and have-nots, or you give vindication to a city being robbed of their team. The best thing to do is to simply watch something else and drive the ratings down as far as possible.
2012-06-11 08:52:11 AM
3 votes:
That would be true if we cared about it from the owner's standpoint. But since most of us are just fans, we don't give a fark. Owners of sports teams are rich douchebags. Get over it.
2012-06-11 05:32:56 AM
3 votes:
I don't know a whole lot about basketball but I do know that Miami is the villain.
2012-06-11 10:53:04 AM
2 votes:
Let me just copy and past some of my posts from the Game 7 thread, since this keeps happening again and again:

"Let me state this for the record: I find myself actually wanting the Heat to win this game with a huge LeBron performance just because I think the backlash against him has been excessive. That said, I'd be neutral on a Heat-OKC final."

"For fark's sake, it's two years later. What's he done since then? Commited crimes? He made a couple of bad PR decisions and people act like he shot a puppy or something. It's insane to me"

"I'd at least like there to be a better reason behind the venom. Michael Vick? I'm over it, but I can at least understand why others might not be. But LeBron? He's guilty of nothing more than, like I said, a couple of bad PR decisions. To this day people talk about it like it was some unforgivable act. I've seen actual criminals let off much easier in the court of public opinion"

Back to now...I can understand being mad at LeBron if you're a Cleveland fan. Otherwise, I just don't get it. And I'm a fan of a team that was in the running for him.
2012-06-11 10:01:43 AM
2 votes:
As long as Lebron James doesn't get a championship ever in his lifetime, I don't care who wins the damn thing.
2012-06-11 06:43:03 PM
1 votes:

basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......


yep you do. but of course to get it you had to agree to stern/clay being able to stick it anywhere they wanted, fark whoever they like on the side, and on occasion when they're drunk on power they might be beat you (really it's only because they just care so damn much). but you know in your heart of hearts they are really great guys and if you didn't let him do whatever they wanted they might leave you. so yeah, you got a team...enjoy it until they leave you.
2012-06-11 02:39:08 PM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: rickythepenguin: jayhawk88: minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


IIRC even Jim Gray has tried to wash his hands of The Decision. I heard him on someone's podcast, i'm thinking Rich Eisen but that doesn't sound right, and as i recall, Gray said LeBron's team approcahed him about the even and it kept getting bigger and bigger. it went from an exclusive announcement to a TV, to "gee, wouldn't it be great if we did this in front of a bunch of kids?" and spiraled into the schlockfest it was.

also, i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics was the answer. remember him just completely going Rain Man during the game? i know the joke is LeBron disappears in teh 4th quarter but....mentally, he wasn't present. he was sleepwalking practically. i think that was him realizing, on the court, that he was done in that city.

See I would say the whole of '09-10, both the off-season and during the season, was when the switch flipped. Especially that '10 trade deadline, when Cleveland could have had Amare from Phoenix if they just would have included Hickson with the package, but didn't pull the trigger and went with Jamison instead. The argument that Jamison fit better with the team isn't unjustified, but still, the message there seemed to be "We're serious about giving you a winning team, but not that serious." And then of course Brown buries Hickson in the playoffs.

LeBron kind of quit at the end of that Boston series, but I think it was the whole season that he was thinking about when he did. "Man, I gotta come back to this and watch Joe Johnson, Amare, Wade, Dirk, Bosh, and all them guys team up while my team brings in Richard Jefferson and Ronnie Brewer?"


I normally really appreciate your posts, but the Cavs declining a Amar'e/ Hickson trade is flat out not true. Both the Suns and the Cavs have come out after the fact to confirm this.

If you aren't from Cleveland/Akron (I'm from Akron), I really don't expect you to understand why his departure was crushing to us and why the way he left was so much worse. People like IAmRight love LeBron and his basketball skills and that is just fine, LeBron leaving didn't affect him at all. But please, spare us the tired "get over it" line, as Scott Raab said "as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."
2012-06-11 02:29:19 PM
1 votes:

skinink: If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


they have fans? i was not aware...i thought it was just a bunch of farking idiots who like front running and wearing whatever the hot logo is. i wouldn't call them fans.
2012-06-11 02:21:41 PM
1 votes:

The1andonlyZack: CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.

Yeast infection extra itchy today?

...did you just say something about not taking personal shots whilst taking personal shots..that's cute!



I didn't set the rhetoric for the debate by starting out with personal shots, thanks.

I don't know why I even waste my time trying to explain the reasoning behind the majority of people who dislike LeBron James to someone who has clear biases not only in favor of LeBron James, but against our teams, our fans and our city. I'd be better off trying to teach the neighbor's cat to speak Russian.
2012-06-11 02:18:02 PM
1 votes:

Lost Thought 00: mikaloyd: Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?

Monorail developers are notoriously cutthroat


Every city needs a momorail
2012-06-11 01:40:33 PM
1 votes:

FreakinB: Why should it be expected of someone to donate money to charity when switching teams? Name me one other person that's done that or was expected to do that.

I agree that The Decision was a bad idea, but you're arguing against its one positive.


I never said it should be expected. I don't give two f*cks if he donates sh*t to charity. My point is that if he's going to go on primetime TV and masturbate his ego for an hour, saying "Oh, well, it's for the children" is a bullsh*t excuse, whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.
2012-06-11 01:26:08 PM
1 votes:
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414937#c77414937" target="_blank">Gunny Highway</a>:</b> <i><b>A Fark Handle </b>

You like that post dont you?</i>

i do. because it's sort of the farking point. stadiums and arena do not provide growth/job, they just transfer public money to billionaires. not a real good deal for everyone else.

/and has fark's html gone to shiat?
2012-06-11 01:19:36 PM
1 votes:
The author's right, unfortunately. Paint it however you like, but no matter who wins the Finals, the bad guy is getting away with the money.

The Heat are either a team whose front office has consistently made good business choices in order to keep their team in the playoffs... or they're buying success by throwing money at smug, out-of-touch egomaniacs.

The Thunder are either the Pittsburgh Steelers of the NBA, or the facade of a couple of billionaires who lied to steal a team from a loyal city, intentionally fielding horrible teams in order to stockpile early draft picks.

Either way, billionaire ownership wins out, as usual.
2012-06-11 01:16:49 PM
1 votes:

basemetal: Are we going to do this one again. Get over it and build a new arena or you will not get another team.


in a world with finite public money where should our priorities be. let's review.

minnesota august 1, 2007:
blogs.seattleweekly.com

minnesota august 2 30, 2007:
Twins Ballpark Groundbreaking A Grand Success
minnesota.twins.mlb.com

it's really tragic that the groundbreaking on a publicly funded baseball stadium had to be delayed because a bridge collapsed. thankfully those poor impoverished owners of the twins did finally get their publicly funded stadium. i guess my point is that a city only has a limited amount of funds to spend on infrastructure, maybe, just maybe they shouldn't spend them to further enrich the bunch of lying, thieving douchenozzles.

it's only done that way because cities such as okc and orlando are willing to be raped. okc is the problem. fark okc!
2012-06-11 01:05:39 PM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.



IIRC even Jim Gray has tried to wash his hands of The Decision. I heard him on someone's podcast, i'm thinking Rich Eisen but that doesn't sound right, and as i recall, Gray said LeBron's team approcahed him about the even and it kept getting bigger and bigger. it went from an exclusive announcement to a TV, to "gee, wouldn't it be great if we did this in front of a bunch of kids?" and spiraled into the schlockfest it was.

also, i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics was the answer. remember him just completely going Rain Man during the game? i know the joke is LeBron disappears in teh 4th quarter but....mentally, he wasn't present. he was sleepwalking practically. i think that was him realizing, on the court, that he was done in that city.
2012-06-11 12:55:49 PM
1 votes:
BTW, I'd rather have a player not say whether he's staying or going until free agency than have an owner come in and take my team away, then realize he has to pretend to be interested in staying, so make a ridiculous request, then blame my city for not "playing ball" and take the team away anyway.

But yeah, that's just me. I know Cleveland doesn't mind when people take their franchises away. Right?
2012-06-11 12:50:19 PM
1 votes:
jasonjeffrey.files.wordpress.com
2012-06-11 09:52:05 AM
1 votes:

CavalierEternal: bail on their loyal fans


I don't think you understand what this word means. You're not loyal to LeBron, at least not based on all the jersey burnings, because you turned on him as soon as he went to another team. If you're loyal to your team, then you're not a loyal fan of the player, now, are you? So he's not bailing on you - you still have your team to root for. Unlike, say, Seattle fans.

CavalierEternal: instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.


Hey, maybe if the Raptors, Cavs, and Heat did this, there wouldn't be this situation. Interesting that you're rooting for management.
2012-06-11 09:09:44 AM
1 votes:
Your pathetic attempt to drum up a contrarian point of view is a sorry excuse for journalism. Die.
 
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