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(The Nation)   In the good vs evil story of the NBA Finals, the media has wrongly painted Miami the villain. An Oklahoma City win would reward the owners that move teams and demand new stadiums from taxpayers   (thenation.com) divider line 300
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2012-06-11 01:47:33 PM
It's interesting that Cleveland fans are willing to root for the new Art Modell, though.
 
2012-06-11 01:48:05 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money


Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.
 
2012-06-11 01:48:52 PM

IAmRight: It's interesting that Cleveland fans are willing to root for the new Art Modell, though.


If you want to see a community well and truly farked by a stadium deal, check out what Baltimore gave Art Modell.
 
2012-06-11 01:49:50 PM
Little annoys me more than political columnists using sports as a proxy for their political orthodoxy.

/OKC is the free market in action- taking the best deal, loyalty be damned.
//Why does NRO hate America
 
2012-06-11 01:52:04 PM

poughdrew: So you have Lebron leaving for Miami, in a situation that no matter what the Cleveland Cavaliers did, no matter how much money they gave him, the Cavs could not keep him.

Then you have the Sonics leaving for Oklahoma City, in a situation that no matter what Seattle did, no matter how much money they gave the owner, Seattle could not keep the team.

If you disagree with either situation then you don't understand how the business world works.


This is not true. Bennett would have sold the team and tried again if the city/county/state had ponied up hundreds of millions of dollars against the NBA/team's relative pittance to build a new arena. They knew they were making an offer that Seattle/King County/Washington would never accept and they had OKC sitting there begging for a team. The NBA and the ownership held all the cards. Either single-handedly fund a new arena with taxpayer money, or we move the team.
 
2012-06-11 01:52:26 PM

A Fark Handle: the 1985 draft, the kings-lakers officiating, the 2011 draft lottery, the profit/loss of the nba, the independence of the basketball staff of the new orleans horents 2011/2012, the 2012 draft lottery.



regulars in NBA threads have seen this a thousand times, but....

in the 2006 or whatever it was Suns/Spurs series, Amar'e got whistled early with 2 or perhaps 3 ghost fouls on Ginobili. he had to sit. I think it was Game 2 or perhaps 3. whatever.

well well well.

fast forward 2-3 years....Tim Freaking Donaghy says, after he was busted, "an easy way to influence the over/under is to give a guy a couple of fouls early. he has to go the bench, boom, there's your under. you aren't guaranteeing who wins, you're just shading the under."

TAKE A WILD FREAKING GUESS WHAT REFEREE MADE THOSE CALLS ON AMAR'E. oh, you had best believe the local folks went nuts when Donaghy made those calls. even simmons got in on the action. circa 2009 he posted his game logs from that game andw as like, "wtf? what did amare do to get whisteld?"

NBA is fixed.
 
2012-06-11 01:53:12 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.


Look, I was going to invite you two to my upcoming pancake social, but I can't have you acting this way in front of such esteemed guests like the guy who played dead body #584 in Platoon and the Mayor of Tumbleweed, SD. My reputation is at stake.
 
2012-06-11 01:53:13 PM


Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
a.espncdn.com
 
2012-06-11 01:55:19 PM

mikaloyd: I get it now.The sonics were supposed to have stayed in seattle as a sort of charity to loyal fans who couldnt or wouldnt pay to keep them there . The Seattle Super Bad Investment Sonics.


yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?

/still can't believe that katrina cost seattle the sonics
//can't wait for the zombies to move somewhere else in 15 years.
 
2012-06-11 01:56:40 PM

JohnBigBootay: If you want to see a community well and truly farked by a stadium deal, check out what Baltimore gave Art Modell.



care to explain? i've never heard anything bad or whatever about that.

(or good, for that matter...i just flat don't know what you're talking about).
 
2012-06-11 01:57:00 PM

Fricknmaniac: Fricknmaniac: The Miami Heat could be facing the Gomorrah Sodomites with the starting 5 of, Hilter, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Pol Pot, and Attila the Hun, and I would STILL have to think about who I would consider the villains to be.


D'you think Hitler could dunk?
 
2012-06-11 01:58:36 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.


I hate the "you started it" argument, but didn't you, Cavalier, say "I'm sorry that LeBron won't sleep with you" before IamRight's insult? If you don't want people taking shots at you, don't take shots at them.

And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)
 
2012-06-11 01:59:06 PM

mikaloyd: Oklahomans are bad and Seattlites are good now?


No not at all bro! I do not hold any ill will at Thunder fans. You guy's have done a great job supporting our Sonics, jk :), but seriously its about the current and former owners, the mayor, the govenor and Stern.

Seattle fans lost
OKC fans won

Either way, the fans are not at fault for either.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:05 PM

mikaloyd: Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
[a.espncdn.com image 350x254]


That pic won't load for me, but I'm assuming it's Bill Simmons?

Maybe a loyal supporter of a local sports team could win in Pittsburgh or Green Bay or something, but Steve Largent would get his ass roundly handed to him here.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:12 PM

mikaloyd: Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
[lebronjames image 350x254]


fark no, i wouldn't trust him to balance a checkbook. but if it comes down to who can fulfill seattle's need for a.b.o.k.c. (anybody but okc), then in lebron we trust.

/of course maybe the stadium can just collapse.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:28 PM

gtfan92: CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.

I hate the "you started it" argument, but didn't you, Cavalier, say "I'm sorry that LeBron won't sleep with you" before IamRight's insult? If you don't want people taking shots at you, don't take shots at them.


After he called me, specifically a "pathetic loser", yeah.
 
2012-06-11 02:01:55 PM

A Fark Handle: mikaloyd: Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
[lebronjames image 350x254]

fark no, i wouldn't trust him to balance a checkbook. but if it comes down to who can fulfill seattle's need for a.b.o.k.c. (anybody but okc), then in lebron we trust.

/of course maybe the stadium can just collapse.


Oh, was it LeBron? Well that's even dumber.
 
2012-06-11 02:02:28 PM

gtfan92: And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)


I didn't like The Decision. It was a bad idea. However, it was a freaking PR mistake, not a crime. Really nobody was harmed except for LeBron. It's crazy to me that we're here two years later and people are still *this* worked up about it, especially given that LeBron hasn't done anything particularly bad since.
 
2012-06-11 02:03:06 PM
Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive. Some people have said if the Thunder sucked we wouldn't be hearing anything about this. I don't think that is true. We'd be hearing Seattle fans gloating about how we are getting what we deserve. Kinda like how they did the first year. Don't worry, some day they wont be very good and you will get your chance. The Seahawks used to be a team I would go for if my team was failing, but not anymore, the combination of insults directed at Oklahoma and Pete Carroll have earned my ire for any Seattle team. Go Cardinals, Rams, 49ers! I hope Carroll screws you guys as bad as he did USC (without the championships). I dont really have to mention the Mariners (but I will), they always suck.
 
2012-06-11 02:03:18 PM

A Fark Handle: yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?


Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there. But there isnt. And not, for lack of start-up money in the area. The State told the NBA to go fark itself and move on. Its still Washington and they'd tell the NBA the same again. Oklahoma welcomed a team with open arms and the team is makin money. In this economy.
 
2012-06-11 02:04:18 PM

FreakinB: gtfan92: And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)

I didn't like The Decision. It was a bad idea. However, it was a freaking PR mistake, not a crime. Really nobody was harmed except for LeBron. It's crazy to me that we're here two years later and people are still *this* worked up about it, especially given that LeBron hasn't done anything particularly bad since.


well other than that time that CRAIG LEBRON JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU A SOUTH BEACH PARTY
 
2012-06-11 02:04:25 PM
When its all said and done, LeBron went to a worse team, but in a better climate.... Miami only a chance because he was forced to play the one-man show, like he did in Cleveland.

He'd have the Cavs in the Finals right now, too (if he didn't decided to quit somewhere along the way). Was it all worth it? Who knows, but it should be an entertaining Finals for fans, in general.
 
2012-06-11 02:04:45 PM
I like LeBron, the only huge poor decision he made was how he announced his change to a new team. And, we don't even know if it was his idea. Players switch teams all the time. LeBron isn't getting in trouble and seems to be a good role model. He tries to be respectful. Yea, he might try to shape his public image, but which athlete doesn't? The guy is human, is the greatest player in the league right now and has a lot of pressure on him to win a championship. Cleveland fans think they are somehow entitled to him because he grew up in Ohio or something, but they aren't. They need to deal with it. There is a bandwagon of hate for LeBron that people are jumping on and have no idea why. That said, LeBron v Durant should be fun to watch.
 
2012-06-11 02:06:26 PM

jayhawk88: IAmRight: So what he should've done is tell them immediately upon signing a contract extension that it would be his last and he was leaving town as soon as he became a free agent. That makes sense.

Look I know LeBron's your boy and/or you like to be contrarian on this, but please don't act like LeBron is blameless in that mess. He definitely lead Cleveland on for at least that last season (you can never prove it but at least LeBron and Wade had to be talking about this for quite some time previous to that summer), and at a minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


No matter how much these guys make and no matter how much they live out their professional lives in the public eye, it's still an employer/employee relationship. James was under a professional contract that he fulfilled with the Cavs and Dan Gilbert. Gilbert and the Cavs made a ton of money off of him. In his last year with the team, they were first in the league in local TV ratings and second in attendance. He didn't owe them anything.

The only reason Gilbert was so pissed and whined like a baby wasn't because of loyalty, or not knowing the decision beforehand. It's because his franchise dropped about a quarter in value and there was nothing he could do about it.
 
2012-06-11 02:07:58 PM

rickythepenguin: jayhawk88: minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


IIRC even Jim Gray has tried to wash his hands of The Decision. I heard him on someone's podcast, i'm thinking Rich Eisen but that doesn't sound right, and as i recall, Gray said LeBron's team approcahed him about the even and it kept getting bigger and bigger. it went from an exclusive announcement to a TV, to "gee, wouldn't it be great if we did this in front of a bunch of kids?" and spiraled into the schlockfest it was.

also, i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics was the answer. remember him just completely going Rain Man during the game? i know the joke is LeBron disappears in teh 4th quarter but....mentally, he wasn't present. he was sleepwalking practically. i think that was him realizing, on the court, that he was done in that city.


See I would say the whole of '09-10, both the off-season and during the season, was when the switch flipped. Especially that '10 trade deadline, when Cleveland could have had Amare from Phoenix if they just would have included Hickson with the package, but didn't pull the trigger and went with Jamison instead. The argument that Jamison fit better with the team isn't unjustified, but still, the message there seemed to be "We're serious about giving you a winning team, but not that serious." And then of course Brown buries Hickson in the playoffs.

LeBron kind of quit at the end of that Boston series, but I think it was the whole season that he was thinking about when he did. "Man, I gotta come back to this and watch Joe Johnson, Amare, Wade, Dirk, Bosh, and all them guys team up while my team brings in Richard Jefferson and Ronnie Brewer?"
 
2012-06-11 02:08:13 PM

fonebone77: Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive. Some people have said if the Thunder sucked we wouldn't be hearing anything about this. I don't think that is true. We'd be hearing Seattle fans gloating about how we are getting what we deserve. Kinda like how they did the first year. Don't worry, some day they wont be very good and you will get your chance. The Seahawks used to be a team I would go for if my team was failing, but not anymore, the combination of insults directed at Oklahoma and Pete Carroll have earned my ire for any Seattle team. Go Cardinals, Rams, 49ers! I hope Carroll screws you guys as bad as he did USC (without the championships). I dont really have to mention the Mariners (but I will), they always suck.


You think Carroll screwed USC? HAHAHAHAHA

Hey guys, we can't count on fonebone77's support anymore, PACK IT IN.

If you read this thread, the only Oklahoman anyone is blaming for the move is Clay Bennett.
 
2012-06-11 02:08:23 PM
Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?
 
2012-06-11 02:08:59 PM
teams trams whatever
 
2012-06-11 02:09:28 PM
If there's one thing sports fans can do well, it's hold an irrational grudge
 
2012-06-11 02:09:56 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?

Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there. But there isnt. And not, for lack of start-up money in the area. The State told the NBA to go fark itself and move on. Its still Washington and they'd tell the NBA the same again. Oklahoma welcomed a team with open arms and the team is makin money. In this economy.


do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle.
 
2012-06-11 02:10:48 PM

mikaloyd: Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?


Monorail developers are notoriously cutthroat
 
2012-06-11 02:12:38 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.


Yeast infection extra itchy today?

...did you just say something about not taking personal shots whilst taking personal shots..that's cute!

/IAmRight is often right
 
2012-06-11 02:13:28 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?

Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there. But there isnt. And not, for lack of start-up money in the area. The State told the NBA to go fark itself and move on. Its still Washington and they'd tell the NBA the same again. Oklahoma welcomed a team with open arms wallets and the team is makin money. In this economy.


FTFY. Of course they're making money. They're new and they exist in a basketball/hockey vacuum and play a large portion of the season when there's no football. Being successful on the court helps too. Oklahoma City has proven to be a good market, for now. Seattle was a great market for 40 years and would be again. Also, they'll never ask the State Legislature for money for an arena again because there's no reason to approve one red cent for any reps axcept those from the greater Seattle area. That's why they asked the legislature...because they knew they'd say no.
 
2012-06-11 02:14:03 PM

CavalierEternal: After he called me, specifically a "pathetic loser", yeah.


You're a Cleveland sports fan who is still butthurt about the LeBron thing - you've pretty much admitted that you're proud of being called that. (that's not the only reason, but it'll do)

mikaloyd: Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there.


It wasn't about profit, it was about bringing a franchise to his hometown and being a hero. I can't blame the dude for that. Just wish Stern would've let him take New Orleans, the team he originally wanted and which had no fan support.
 
2012-06-11 02:15:24 PM

A Fark Handle: do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle


Thats a neat story from fantasyland but what leads you to believe that theyd be in the finals now if they were still in Seattle? The "cowboys" turned the team around not good decent "non-cowboys" like the proud cowboy hatin Seattle folk.
 
2012-06-11 02:18:02 PM

Lost Thought 00: mikaloyd: Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?

Monorail developers are notoriously cutthroat


Every city needs a momorail
 
2012-06-11 02:18:56 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle

Thats a neat story from fantasyland but what leads you to believe that theyd be in the finals now if they were still in Seattle? The "cowboys" turned the team around not good decent "non-cowboys" like the proud cowboy hatin Seattle folk.


Well, had the local gov't bent over for the NBA and screwed local taxpayers, we still would've had Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Collison (at least, not sure about Harden, but maybe) and the team would've been sold to Steve Ballmer (in all likelihood).
 
2012-06-11 02:19:15 PM
With regard to OKC as a market, I think they'll be fine. I can see that ending up being similar to the Jazz or the Blazers; smaller cities where there are rabid fans since they're the only big game in town. The NBA does have a generally good history with cities where they're the only big-league team.

OKC definitely deserves a team, and proved as much when the Hornets were playing there. It's just that the way they got one was horrendous.
 
2012-06-11 02:19:47 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle

Thats a neat story from fantasyland but what leads you to believe that theyd be in the finals now if they were still in Seattle? The "cowboys" turned the team around not good decent "non-cowboys" like the proud cowboy hatin Seattle folk.


yep, seattle only drafted kd and westbrook. sure who knows if seattle would have picked up harden or some of the other pieces, but it's not like folks are mad just because the sonics were stolen. they were stolen after the sonics had drafted a once in a generation scorer.

/enjoy your trolling.
 
2012-06-11 02:19:58 PM
i568.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-11 02:21:41 PM

The1andonlyZack: CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.

Yeast infection extra itchy today?

...did you just say something about not taking personal shots whilst taking personal shots..that's cute!



I didn't set the rhetoric for the debate by starting out with personal shots, thanks.

I don't know why I even waste my time trying to explain the reasoning behind the majority of people who dislike LeBron James to someone who has clear biases not only in favor of LeBron James, but against our teams, our fans and our city. I'd be better off trying to teach the neighbor's cat to speak Russian.
 
2012-06-11 02:22:31 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but I am pretty sure that Micky Arison has also received Corporate Welfare from Florida taxpayers for the Heat's arena.

He moved some of his cruise ships out of Alaska after the Alaskan government made him spend 15 seconds worth of profit on pollution control equipment.
 
2012-06-11 02:23:51 PM
Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.
 
2012-06-11 02:23:54 PM

A Fark Handle: they were stolen after the sonics had drafted a once in a generation scorer.


They were gone before that (they were only there while the legal formalities were getting taken care of).

/that's why Stern made sure his BFF Bennett got Durant in the first place
//everyone knew the Blazers would go for the big man with the injury history
 
2012-06-11 02:25:05 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.


Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?
 
2012-06-11 02:26:48 PM
If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.
 
2012-06-11 02:27:55 PM

CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?


Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!
 
2012-06-11 02:28:48 PM

gtfan92: CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!


Just because we've gotten over it doesn't mean we have to like the asshole.
 
2012-06-11 02:28:50 PM

skinink: I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


0/10. Because there is no way you can be serious.
 
2012-06-11 02:29:19 PM

skinink: If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


they have fans? i was not aware...i thought it was just a bunch of farking idiots who like front running and wearing whatever the hot logo is. i wouldn't call them fans.
 
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