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(The Nation)   In the good vs evil story of the NBA Finals, the media has wrongly painted Miami the villain. An Oklahoma City win would reward the owners that move teams and demand new stadiums from taxpayers   (thenation.com) divider line 300
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2012-06-11 03:10:18 AM
And a Miami win would reward the sh*tbags who bail on their loyal fans to form Super Teams in an effort to win an easy championship instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.

Pick your poison.
 
2012-06-11 03:41:56 AM
Can't we all just agree that the NBA is and is full of trash; players, owners, and management?
 
2012-06-11 05:32:56 AM
I don't know a whole lot about basketball but I do know that Miami is the villain.
 
2012-06-11 06:17:25 AM

GAT_00: I don't know a whole lot about basketball but I do know that Miami and Oklahoma City are is the villains.


FTFY
 
2012-06-11 08:52:11 AM
That would be true if we cared about it from the owner's standpoint. But since most of us are just fans, we don't give a fark. Owners of sports teams are rich douchebags. Get over it.
 
2012-06-11 09:09:44 AM
Your pathetic attempt to drum up a contrarian point of view is a sorry excuse for journalism. Die.
 
2012-06-11 09:30:07 AM
Sad thing is, I'm rooting for Miami anyway. Mostly because I want to see how Gonzalo LeBatard reacts.

/si, si, I'm very intrigued
 
2012-06-11 09:52:05 AM

CavalierEternal: bail on their loyal fans


I don't think you understand what this word means. You're not loyal to LeBron, at least not based on all the jersey burnings, because you turned on him as soon as he went to another team. If you're loyal to your team, then you're not a loyal fan of the player, now, are you? So he's not bailing on you - you still have your team to root for. Unlike, say, Seattle fans.

CavalierEternal: instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.


Hey, maybe if the Raptors, Cavs, and Heat did this, there wouldn't be this situation. Interesting that you're rooting for management.
 
2012-06-11 09:55:51 AM

cptjeff: Can't we all just agree that the NBA is and is full of trash; players, owners, and management?


Yes.
 
2012-06-11 10:01:43 AM
As long as Lebron James doesn't get a championship ever in his lifetime, I don't care who wins the damn thing.
 
2012-06-11 10:08:32 AM

ManateeGag: As long as Lebron James Clay Bennett doesn't get a championship ever in his lifetime, I don't care who wins the damn thing.


FTFY
 
2012-06-11 10:25:34 AM
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2012-06-11 10:51:47 AM
Are we going to do this one again. Get over it and build a new arena or you will not get another team.

/yea I watched the video
 
2012-06-11 10:53:04 AM
Let me just copy and past some of my posts from the Game 7 thread, since this keeps happening again and again:

"Let me state this for the record: I find myself actually wanting the Heat to win this game with a huge LeBron performance just because I think the backlash against him has been excessive. That said, I'd be neutral on a Heat-OKC final."

"For fark's sake, it's two years later. What's he done since then? Commited crimes? He made a couple of bad PR decisions and people act like he shot a puppy or something. It's insane to me"

"I'd at least like there to be a better reason behind the venom. Michael Vick? I'm over it, but I can at least understand why others might not be. But LeBron? He's guilty of nothing more than, like I said, a couple of bad PR decisions. To this day people talk about it like it was some unforgivable act. I've seen actual criminals let off much easier in the court of public opinion"

Back to now...I can understand being mad at LeBron if you're a Cleveland fan. Otherwise, I just don't get it. And I'm a fan of a team that was in the running for him.
 
2012-06-11 11:13:03 AM

CavalierEternal: And a Miami win would reward the sh*tbags who bail on their loyal fans to form Super Teams in an effort to win an easy championship instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.

Pick your poison.


Anyone who watched the documentary about LeBron's high school team knew he was going to Miami and saw the justification. Why are you blaming him for choosing to work with his friends?
 
2012-06-11 11:20:55 AM

FishyFred: CavalierEternal: And a Miami win would reward the sh*tbags who bail on their loyal fans to form Super Teams in an effort to win an easy championship instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.

Pick your poison.

Anyone who watched the documentary about LeBron's high school team knew he was going to Miami and saw the justification. Why are you blaming him for choosing to work with his friends?


I dunno, because he played "Will I, Won't I?" with the Cavaliers for three years in regards to whether he would re-sign instead of letting them know outright, went on national TV to have a massive, primetime, self congratulatory wankfest, had a massive celebration with Wade & Bosh in which he predicted they'd win seven championships before they'd even made the playoffs and has continued to act like an entitled cocksucker (You jealous people have to go back to your sh*tty lives and I still get to be LeBron James) who's totally out of touch with why nobody outside of the Miami fanbase likes him?
 
2012-06-11 11:21:30 AM

basemetal: Are we going to do this one again. Get over it and build a new arena or you will not get another team.

/yea I watched the video


Hey, it's a double-whammy of the most often complained about things in the NBA besides officiating.
 
2012-06-11 11:26:24 AM

CavalierEternal: he played "Will I, Won't I?" with the Cavaliers for three years in regards to whether he would re-sign instead of letting them know outright


I will say that in subsequent years, Dwight Howard has made LeBron look *a lot* better in this regard. At least LeBron wasn't changing his mind all the time. I also always felt that the years of "will he or won't he?" was more media-driven than LeBron-driven, but I'm not a Cleveland guy.
 
2012-06-11 11:30:18 AM

CavalierEternal: I dunno, because he played "Will I, Won't I?" with the Cavaliers for three years in regards to whether he would re-sign instead of letting them know outright,


So what he should've done is tell them immediately upon signing a contract extension that it would be his last and he was leaving town as soon as he became a free agent. That makes sense.

CavalierEternal: Wade & Bosh in which he predicted they'd win seven championships before they'd even made the playoffs


Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.

CavalierEternal: continued to act like an entitled cocksucker (You jealous people have to go back to your sh*tty lives and I still get to be LeBron James)


Someone sounds bitter that the best day of his life over the past two years was when Dallas won the title, and that he hasn't accomplished anything on his own account to validate his existence.
 
2012-06-11 11:35:06 AM

IAmRight: So what he should've done is tell them immediately upon signing a contract extension that it would be his last and he was leaving town as soon as he became a free agent. That makes sense.


No, but not making the team wait until the night of LeBronfest In Primetime would've been a mature, intelligent, reasonable thing to do. Then again, we're talking about someone who's consistently proven that he's neither mature nor intelligent.


IAmRight: Someone sounds bitter that the best day of his life over the past two years was when Dallas won the title, and that he hasn't accomplished anything on his own account to validate his existence.



So you're firmly on the "everyone's just jealous because their lives suck and LeBron is great" bandwagon?
 
2012-06-11 11:45:53 AM

CavalierEternal: So you're firmly on the "everyone's just jealous because their lives suck and LeBron is great" bandwagon?


No, I'm on the "if you sincerely made you happy that someone failed to achieve something, then you're a sad excuse for a human being and I don't really feel bad that he reminded you that you suck at life" bandwagon.

CavalierEternal: No, but not making the team wait until the night of LeBronfest In Primetime would've been a mature, intelligent, reasonable thing to do. Then again, we're talking about someone who's consistently proven that he's neither mature nor intelligent.


So what you're upset about is day/week of uncertainty (free agency began July 1, that's when he could start hearing offers. July 8 was the first day anyone could sign with a new team. The date of "The Decision"? July 8.)?
 
2012-06-11 11:51:55 AM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: No, but not making the team wait until the night of LeBronfest In Primetime would've been a mature, intelligent, reasonable thing to do. Then again, we're talking about someone who's consistently proven that he's neither mature nor intelligent.

So what you're upset about is day/week of uncertainty (free agency began July 1, that's when he could start hearing offers. July 8 was the first day anyone could sign with a new team. The date of "The Decision"? July 8.)?


He had the entire season before that to let the team know whether he'd be re-signing in the offseason. He didn't have to wait until the season was over to let everyone know. It's pretty common knowledge now that he, Wade and Bosh had been arranging this since the Olympics in 2008, so why wait until the summer of 2010? Because he wanted that season to indulge in every team in the league sucking his dick to try and get him to come to their city because he's a narcissistic media whore who doesn't really care about anyone but LeBron James (as he would so eloquently put it since he started referring to himself in the third person after last year's Finals).
 
2012-06-11 11:59:26 AM

CavalierEternal: Because he wanted that season to indulge in every team in the league sucking his dick to try and get him to come to their city


Ah, I see why you're confused, you're not well-versed in the real world. Here's some news for you: talented job-seekers often milk the recruiting process in order to ego-stroke as well as get themselves the best possible deal. It's not exclusive to LeBron. It's been done for countless years in countless professions.

I guess most people who have a problem with that don't have much of an idea what it's like to be desirable to employers, so that explains their impotent rage.

CavalierEternal: He had the entire season before that to let the team know whether he'd be re-signing in the offseason.


So he should've said he wasn't coming back, no matter what, at the beginning of the season...because that would've worked out well, especially given how Gilbert reacted to him leaving in general.
 
2012-06-11 12:04:24 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: He had the entire season before that to let the team know whether he'd be re-signing in the offseason.

So he should've said he wasn't coming back, no matter what, at the beginning of the season...because that would've worked out well, especially given how Gilbert reacted to him leaving in general.


Gilbert reacted to the way he left like the rest of us. Had he let the team know beforehand of his intention not to re-sign, it wouldn't had strung up the team in regards to salary cap, trade options, a contingency plan, etc. It would've been the mature, reasonable thing to do. You go on and on about "Oh, everyone who isn't a loser and is desirable to employers does exactly what LeBron did", but what you're ignoring is that, generally, for someone looking for a job at a bank or a law firm or whatever, there aren't millions of people who give two sh*ts what you do. LeBron had millions of people who were counting on him to at least handle the situation like an adult instead of a spoiled 13-year-old. You'd understand that if you'd pull his dick out of your eye for five minutes.
 
2012-06-11 12:17:35 PM

CavalierEternal: Gilbert reacted to the way he left like the rest of us.


Like a bunch of pathetic losers who felt that someone you didn't know "owed you," I'm aware.

So if LeBron does tell Gilbert that he plans on leaving after the season (of course, it's mere conjecture that he knew at this point), what options does that open up for Cleveland?

a) they can tank the season to spite LeBron - not sure you'd notice much of a difference, given that roster/coach
b) they can trade LeBron midseason wherever they want (he'd have to have publicly claimed that he wasn't coming back, or else there's no way anyone's trading the best player in the league mid-season)
c) they can just force LeBron to stay all year and try to win a title anyway, but do it with everyone in the city hating him and threatening his family for 50+ home games

Yeah, that sounds like a real win-win for LeBron.

The basic question is: how much loyalty does one owe to a former employer? You seem to think that people should put their employers' interests ahead of their own, which shows an obscene lack of awareness regarding professional sports.
 
2012-06-11 12:20:04 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: Gilbert reacted to the way he left like the rest of us.

Like a bunch of pathetic losers who felt that someone you didn't know "owed you," I'm aware.

So if LeBron does tell Gilbert that he plans on leaving after the season (of course, it's mere conjecture that he knew at this point), what options does that open up for Cleveland?

a) they can tank the season to spite LeBron - not sure you'd notice much of a difference, given that roster/coach
b) they can trade LeBron midseason wherever they want (he'd have to have publicly claimed that he wasn't coming back, or else there's no way anyone's trading the best player in the league mid-season)
c) they can just force LeBron to stay all year and try to win a title anyway, but do it with everyone in the city hating him and threatening his family for 50+ home games

Yeah, that sounds like a real win-win for LeBron.

The basic question is: how much loyalty does one owe to a former employer? You seem to think that people should put their employers' interests ahead of their own, which shows an obscene lack of awareness regarding professional sports.


Fark's biggest LeBron James apologist, everyone.

Anyone who disagrees with LeBron James' decision is a pathetic loser and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a team that won over 60 games in 2009 were to tank the season.

Such is the logic of IAmRight.
 
2012-06-11 12:28:02 PM

CavalierEternal: Anyone who disagrees with LeBron James' decision is a pathetic loser and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a team that won over 60 games in 2009 were to tank the season.


Efficiency-rating-wise, their second best player was 79-year-old Shaquille O'Neal, whose go-to move was to set his walker down in front of the defender as a screen and then bank in a layup. I mean, you could probably get worse players, but you're going to have to actively scout for them. (I mean, I suppose you might try trading with the Bobcats nowadays if you need to get worse, but even some Bobcats are better than the rest of the Cavs were).
 
2012-06-11 12:29:19 PM

CavalierEternal: Fark's biggest LeBron James apologist, everyone.

Anyone who disagrees with LeBron James' decision is a pathetic loser and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a team that won over 60 games in 2009 were to tank the season.

Such is the logic of IAmRight


The "pathetic loser" part is unnecessary and the crappy team part is wrong (obviously they were good that season, though IMO most of that was LeBron). But I think his assessment of possible reactions to coming out with it early is pretty much spot-on. Besides, maybe LeBron legitimately wanted to see what could happen in that last season regardless of any Olympic plans.

Also, coming out with it early didn't help Carmelo Anthony at all. He was going to get shiat on either way.
 
2012-06-11 12:32:14 PM

FreakinB: The "pathetic loser" part is unnecessary


It's only because it's CE.

And really, writing a public letter crying about a player leaving in comic sans is pretty pathetic and lame. Gilbert was plenty okay with going for the sign-and-trade of someone he felt so wronged by. Guess it's not so bad when you get three first-rounders and the potential to swap another one.
 
2012-06-11 12:33:03 PM

IAmRight: So what he should've done is tell them immediately upon signing a contract extension that it would be his last and he was leaving town as soon as he became a free agent. That makes sense.


It's easy to say this: "I don't comment on unsigned contracts or contract negotiations." The "Is he is, or is he ain't" was really stupid, the show was even dumber. The criticism that "I don't mind him going, I hated the way he went." is very valid.

That said, the backlash against him personally has been rather overblown. I was more surprised by his blunders than anything else - in Cleveland he seemed rather well-handled. To see a PR f*ckup of that magnitude was stunning. Now I just look at him the same as any other NBA douchbag player.
 
2012-06-11 12:50:19 PM
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2012-06-11 12:52:11 PM

CavalierEternal: I dunno, because he played "Will I, Won't I?" with the Cavaliers for three years in regards to whether he would re-sign instead of letting them know outright, went on national TV to have a massive, primetime, self congratulatory wankfest, had a massive celebration with Wade & Bosh in which he predicted they'd win seven championships before they'd even made the playoffs and has continued to act like an entitled cocksucker (You jealous people have to go back to your sh*tty lives and I still get to be LeBron James) who's totally out of touch with why nobody outside of the Miami fanbase likes him?


All of this.
 
2012-06-11 12:54:29 PM
It's what they do.
theseattlesalmon.com
 
2012-06-11 12:55:10 PM
i don't watch basketball, but here's what i don't understand

cleveland (allegedly) lost games on purpose just so they could draft lebron james. why would anybody need to be loyal to a professional sports team that (allegedly) loses on purpose. just because they drafted him doesn't mean that they own him forever. he only did what any smart or talented person in ohio would do...
HE GOT THE FARK OUT OF OHIO!
 
2012-06-11 12:55:49 PM
BTW, I'd rather have a player not say whether he's staying or going until free agency than have an owner come in and take my team away, then realize he has to pretend to be interested in staying, so make a ridiculous request, then blame my city for not "playing ball" and take the team away anyway.

But yeah, that's just me. I know Cleveland doesn't mind when people take their franchises away. Right?
 
2012-06-11 12:56:23 PM

FreakinB: will say that in subsequent years, Dwight Howard has made LeBron look *a lot* better in this regard.


He has, but I still don't think the more casual fans out there have really noticed. Howard played the media like a f*cking fiddle for so long with his wide smile and jokey nature, superman cape act, etc that it will take awhile for his actions this past season to really sink in.
 
2012-06-11 12:56:52 PM

SnarfVader: I don't know a whole lot about basketball but I do know that Miami and Oklahoma City are is be the villains.


FTFY
 
2012-06-11 12:57:14 PM

IAmRight: So what he should've done is tell them immediately upon signing a contract extension that it would be his last and he was leaving town as soon as he became a free agent. That makes sense.


Look I know LeBron's your boy and/or you like to be contrarian on this, but please don't act like LeBron is blameless in that mess. He definitely lead Cleveland on for at least that last season (you can never prove it but at least LeBron and Wade had to be talking about this for quite some time previous to that summer), and at a minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.
 
2012-06-11 12:57:15 PM
No matter who wins, basketball loses. You either give vindication to the concept of haves and have-nots, or you give vindication to a city being robbed of their team. The best thing to do is to simply watch something else and drive the ratings down as far as possible.
 
2012-06-11 12:57:19 PM

animesucks: why would anybody need to be loyal to a professional sports team that (allegedly) loses on purpose.


Because he's from a suburb that Clevelanders regularly sh*t on until it turns out that one of them is really talented, then they'll pretend that that guy's from Cleveland.
 
2012-06-11 12:59:38 PM

Gosling: No matter who wins, basketball loses. You either give vindication to the concept of haves and have-nots, or you give vindication to a city being robbed of their team. The best thing to do is to simply watch something else and drive the ratings down as far as possible.


/thread
 
2012-06-11 12:59:38 PM
Oklahoma Ospreys has a nice ring to it for an NFL team.

Wouldnt even need to change the logo except to get rid of the Radioactive Green color
 
2012-06-11 12:59:47 PM
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Go Heat!!!!
 
2012-06-11 01:00:03 PM

jayhawk88: He definitely lead Cleveland on for at least that last season


Sure, but again, what's he supposed to do? Everyone gets pissed when you say you want a trade. You can't just say "hey guys, I'm quitting on you at the end of the year. But let's try really hard for the rest of this season, alright?"

jayhawk88: a minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


Meh, the end result is that a kids' charity got several million dollars that they wouldn't have received, ESPN got a sh*tload of viewers it never would've received, and James got all the blame for everything, while really getting nothing out of the whole deal.
 
2012-06-11 01:03:53 PM
Done in one.
 
2012-06-11 01:05:06 PM

IAmRight: Meh, the end result is that a kids' charity got several million dollars that they wouldn't have received


Care to explain why he couldn't just quietly donate a huge amount of money to charity instead of going on TV to let millions of people know that he was donating the money to charity?
 
2012-06-11 01:05:39 PM

jayhawk88: minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.



IIRC even Jim Gray has tried to wash his hands of The Decision. I heard him on someone's podcast, i'm thinking Rich Eisen but that doesn't sound right, and as i recall, Gray said LeBron's team approcahed him about the even and it kept getting bigger and bigger. it went from an exclusive announcement to a TV, to "gee, wouldn't it be great if we did this in front of a bunch of kids?" and spiraled into the schlockfest it was.

also, i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics was the answer. remember him just completely going Rain Man during the game? i know the joke is LeBron disappears in teh 4th quarter but....mentally, he wasn't present. he was sleepwalking practically. i think that was him realizing, on the court, that he was done in that city.
 
2012-06-11 01:05:59 PM

Gosling: No matter who wins, basketball loses. You either give vindication to the concept of haves and have-nots, or you give vindication to a city being robbed of their team. The best thing to do is to simply watch something else and drive the ratings down as far as possible.


That will make basketball win?
 
2012-06-11 01:08:15 PM

SilentStrider: Sad thing is, I'm rooting for Miami anyway. Mostly because I want to see how Gonzalo LeBatard reacts.

/si, si, I'm very intrigued


Ha! I love that show.
 
2012-06-11 01:09:18 PM
fark schultz! fark stern! fark clay!

sonicsgate.com
 
2012-06-11 01:09:32 PM

rickythepenguin: i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics


The one where he had a triple double with like 19 rebounds?
 
2012-06-11 01:11:54 PM

CavalierEternal: teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.



the local guys pointed out the players they drafted at #1 versus who they passed on. they took Harden over someone more highly touted, passed on Thabeet at #2 to take Westbrook, I think, and they passed on Oden as I recall to take someone else.

on one hand you have to sit thought 3-4 years of a shiat team to get that high of draft picks, but on the other, they have made smart choices.

I probably wont' even watch. the older i get the less i care about the NBA, and I absolutely believe Donaghy about the NBA not outright fixing games, but by assigning certain referees and "encouraging" them what to watch players for in terms of calls they tend to get, that the NBA is basically 6=7% fixed, which is 6-7% too much.

as i said last week, on the continuum of Pro Wrasslin' (obviously fixed, not a real sport) to Serie A (not entirely fixed, but fixed), the NBA is somewhere on the low range.
 
2012-06-11 01:13:58 PM
It's gonna be funny who see all the people who hate the Heat for flopping jump on the Harden bandwagon.
 
2012-06-11 01:14:13 PM
F*ck LeBJ

this cannot be overstated.
 
2012-06-11 01:15:34 PM

CavalierEternal: Care to explain why he couldn't just quietly donate a huge amount of money to charity instead of going on TV to let millions of people know that he was donating the money to charity?


Meh. He's a worldwide brand and I doubt he had much to do with the damn thing. Did he come off as a self-important d-bag on the show? Sure he did. But I'd bet the man knows fark-all about tv production. He stood on the little piece of tape and said what they agreed he'd say but ultimately it's meaningless. The marketing schmucks simply misread what the reaction would be. For the life he's had I think he's turned out to be a pretty decent guy. It could damn sure be way worse. Lots of guys made tens of millions and are now broke. I'd bet a nickel that never happens to Lebron.
 
2012-06-11 01:16:09 PM

rickythepenguin: the local guys pointed out the players they drafted at #1 versus who they passed on. they took Harden over someone more highly touted, passed on Thabeet at #2 to take Westbrook, I think, and they passed on Oden as I recall to take someone else.


They did not pass on Oden, Oden went #1 and Durant #2.
 
2012-06-11 01:16:49 PM

basemetal: Are we going to do this one again. Get over it and build a new arena or you will not get another team.


in a world with finite public money where should our priorities be. let's review.

minnesota august 1, 2007:
blogs.seattleweekly.com

minnesota august 2 30, 2007:
Twins Ballpark Groundbreaking A Grand Success
minnesota.twins.mlb.com

it's really tragic that the groundbreaking on a publicly funded baseball stadium had to be delayed because a bridge collapsed. thankfully those poor impoverished owners of the twins did finally get their publicly funded stadium. i guess my point is that a city only has a limited amount of funds to spend on infrastructure, maybe, just maybe they shouldn't spend them to further enrich the bunch of lying, thieving douchenozzles.

it's only done that way because cities such as okc and orlando are willing to be raped. okc is the problem. fark okc!
 
2012-06-11 01:17:48 PM
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Go get your facts straight. Seattle was robbed by a rich man who wanted to have his toy and take it home. This is a fact that cannot be denied.
 
2012-06-11 01:19:36 PM
The author's right, unfortunately. Paint it however you like, but no matter who wins the Finals, the bad guy is getting away with the money.

The Heat are either a team whose front office has consistently made good business choices in order to keep their team in the playoffs... or they're buying success by throwing money at smug, out-of-touch egomaniacs.

The Thunder are either the Pittsburgh Steelers of the NBA, or the facade of a couple of billionaires who lied to steal a team from a loyal city, intentionally fielding horrible teams in order to stockpile early draft picks.

Either way, billionaire ownership wins out, as usual.
 
2012-06-11 01:22:34 PM
The Miami Heat could be facing the Gomorrah Sodomites with the starting 5 of, Hilter, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Pol Pot, and Attila the Hun, and I would STILL have to think about who I would consider the villains to be.

But yes, Seattle did get screwed out of their team, but really the difference is that as much ill-will I should have against the Thunder, it just comes down to the fact that they're not the Miami Heat.
 
2012-06-11 01:22:46 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414556#c77414556" target="_blank">gtfan92</a>:</b> <i>The one where he had a triple double with like 19 rebounds?</i>


i don't recall that.....i do remember him just sleepwalking in his last game as cav. bill simmons had an amazing podcast about it the day after. he destroyed LeBron and alluded to The Rumors Regarding Delonte as perhaps being why.
 
2012-06-11 01:22:53 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414751#c77414751" target="_blank">mentallo69</a>:</b> <i>[www.tas-sel.org image 264x225]

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Go get your facts straight. Seattle was robbed by a rich man who wanted to have his toy and take it home. This is a fact that cannot be denied.</i>

Well, that's half the story. The other half is that our own elected officials screwed the pooch hard.
 
2012-06-11 01:23:52 PM
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2012-06-11 01:24:37 PM
Seattle couldnt keep a pro basketball team and doesnt deserve another one. End of story.

Seattle doesnt even need the Sonics to have some sports thing to forever moan and be butthurt about. They already have the Seahawks /Steelers Superbowl to fill that need.
 
2012-06-11 01:25:27 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414550#c77414550" target="_blank">A Fark Handle</a>:</b> <i>fark schultz! fark stern! fark clay!

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Meh, I watched that, it still goes to Shultz,your state, and city, not building a new arena. And because of that you couldn't get an interested buyer other than Bennett, and you told him no deal, well, no wonder they moved, they were losing money compared to the rest of the league. Key is small, you will be lucky to get a new team even if they do build a new arena after the way the whole state said fark you to Stern. No wonder he green lighted the move.
 
2012-06-11 01:26:08 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414937#c77414937" target="_blank">Gunny Highway</a>:</b> <i><b>A Fark Handle </b>

You like that post dont you?</i>

i do. because it's sort of the farking point. stadiums and arena do not provide growth/job, they just transfer public money to billionaires. not a real good deal for everyone else.

/and has fark's html gone to shiat?
 
2012-06-11 01:26:24 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414955#c77414955" target="_blank">mikaloyd</a>:</b> <i>Seattle couldnt keep a pro basketball team and doesnt deserve another one. End of story.

Seattle doesnt even need the Sonics to have some sports thing to forever moan and be butthurt about. They already have the Seahawks /Steelers Superbowl to fill that need.</i>

0/10...meh, 2/10.
 
2012-06-11 01:26:30 PM
Heat in 5 and will win the next 2 finals too. Mark that down.
 
2012-06-11 01:26:55 PM

A Fark Handle: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414937#c77414937" target="_blank">Gunny Highway</a>:</b> <i><b>A Fark Handle </b>

You like that post dont you?</i>

i do. because it's sort of the farking point. stadiums and arena do not provide growth/job, they just transfer public money to billionaires. not a real good deal for everyone else.

/and has fark's html gone to shiat?


I think it has haha.
 
2012-06-11 01:28:01 PM

seumasokelly: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414751#c77414751" target="_blank">mentallo69</a>:</b> <i>[www.tas-sel.org image 264x225]

[www.parkcityfilmseries.com image 348x210]

Go get your facts straight. Seattle was robbed by a rich man who wanted to have his toy and take it home. This is a fact that cannot be denied.</i>

Well, that's half the story. The other half is that our own elected officials screwed the pooch hard.


All the supportive loyal fans lost all together. You took a 40 year old team out of the 13 largest market and with a very supportive fan base, all of which had no say what so ever in building a new arena.

Enemy list: Schultz, Bennett, Stern, Nickels and Gregoire

I for one, will never support the NBA if Stern is still the commish. I dont care if we get the Sonics back. Stern is an evil, lying twisted fark.
 
2012-06-11 01:29:08 PM

CavalierEternal: Care to explain why he couldn't just quietly donate a huge amount of money to charity instead of going on TV to let millions of people know that he was donating the money to charity?


So now you think he should've told his team he was leaving before he left (note how well that's worked out for everyone else who has done it) AND should've given away several million dollars of his own money. You sound reasonable.

JohnBigBootay: For the life he's had I think he's turned out to be a pretty decent guy.


No, we should expect way more from people who have garnered national media attention since age 15, who were born to a 16-year-old single moms and have only an American HS education.

you have pee hands: They did not pass on Oden, Oden went #1 and Durant #2.


Didn't pass on Thabeet, either, he went No. 2 and the Thunder picked No. 3.
 
2012-06-11 01:30:03 PM
so tired of the butthurt from sonics fans.
I'll just relax now with tasty beverage.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-11 01:30:15 PM

mikaloyd: Seattle couldnt keep a pro basketball team and doesnt deserve another one. End of story.

Seattle doesnt even need the Sonics to have some sports thing to forever moan and be butthurt about. They already have the Seahawks /Steelers Superbowl to fill that need.


You don't understand this had nothing to do with fan base. There were 5 people who had the power to keep them here and none of them gave a crap. The fans were loyal, and would have supported another stadium. This was what happened. Nothing to do with fan base, go get your facts idiot.

Seattle was screwed!
 
2012-06-11 01:30:17 PM

you have pee hands: They did not pass on Oden, Oden went #1 and Durant #2.



whatever it was, it showed that they made some good choices. but like i said you have to suck to get that many picks.

like phoenix for example...cogratulations, you juuuuuuust missed the playoffs with a shiat team. and congratulations for once again having the 14th pick in the draft for the 7th freaking year in a row. congratulations on your committment to mediocrity.
 
2012-06-11 01:30:19 PM
Y U NO HAS HTML FARK
 
2012-06-11 01:30:29 PM
It's really Aliens vs. Predators

Whoever wins, we lose
 
2012-06-11 01:30:40 PM

A Fark Handle: /and has fark's html gone to shiat?


It's your fault. Everytime you post that Sonicsgate cover the trolls come out with their "hurrr duurrr just approve a new arena" schtick and we all know trolls only f*ck things up.
 
2012-06-11 01:31:37 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: Care to explain why he couldn't just quietly donate a huge amount of money to charity instead of going on TV to let millions of people know that he was donating the money to charity?

So now you think he should've told his team he was leaving before he left (note how well that's worked out for everyone else who has done it) AND should've given away several million dollars of his own money. You sound reasonable.


So you're saying that it's better for him to go on primetime TV, beat his dick and, in the process, get other people to donate to charity than for him to just make a f*cking donation to charity?
 
2012-06-11 01:33:12 PM

mentallo69: Stern is an evil, lying twisted fark.


Lie about what, he told you what he was going to do. Also, the state voted on legislation that said no to funding new facilities after the other stadiums were built. I'd say the whole state had a say and said overwhelmingly, no.
 
2012-06-11 01:33:40 PM

rickythepenguin: whatever it was, it showed that they made some good choices. but like i said you have to suck to get that many picks.


Durant was an obvious pick. Once again, remember that the Suns helped them build with the "Kurt Thomas and 2 No. 1 picks for a conditional No. 2 pick" trade, then they flipped Kurt Thomas for another No. 1 pick from the Spurs.

That doesn't require skill, that requires being the ones on the phone when the Suns call you up to make idiot trades because their owner's a cheap f*ckwit.

/that trade netted them Ibaka, BTW (and a bunch of other stiffs)
 
2012-06-11 01:33:56 PM

mentallo69: mikaloyd: Seattle couldnt keep a pro basketball team and doesnt deserve another one. End of story.

Seattle doesnt even need the Sonics to have some sports thing to forever moan and be butthurt about. They already have the Seahawks /Steelers Superbowl to fill that need.

You don't understand this had nothing to do with fan base. There were 5 people who had the power to keep them here and none of them gave a crap. The fans were loyal, and would have supported another stadium. This was what happened. Nothing to do with fan base, go get your facts idiot.

Seattle was screwed!


See! that's why I changed it to 2/10. Figured you'd get someone.
 
2012-06-11 01:34:22 PM

rickythepenguin: i don't recall that.....i do remember him just sleepwalking in his last game as cav. bill simmons had an amazing podcast about it the day after. he destroyed LeBron and alluded to The Rumors Regarding Delonte as perhaps being why.


Bill Simmons stuff is long form talk radio calls. He's entertaining, sometimes, but he's a huge homer and makes an awful lot of stuff up especially when it comes to Boston.

LeBron looked like he didn't give a shiat in game 6 of this series too, but it's okay because he destroyed everybody.
 
2012-06-11 01:34:41 PM

mentallo69: You don't understand this had nothing to do with fan base. There were 5 people who had the power to keep them here and none of them gave a crap. The fans were loyal, and would have supported another stadium. This was what happened. Nothing to do with fan base, go get your facts idiot.

Seattle was screwed!


So they did it not for money but simply to screw the Seattle fans who gladly would have paid more to keep them? Interesting fairey tale but a complete lie cheap dumbass. Hey thi\s pointless namecalling is fun you God damned liar!
 
2012-06-11 01:35:13 PM

CavalierEternal: So you're saying that it's better for him to go on primetime TV, beat his dick and, in the process, get other people to donate to charity than for him to just make a f*cking donation to charity?


No, I'm saying that they both end up being the same thing, so getting all butthurt about him getting companies to foot the bill is stupid.
 
2012-06-11 01:36:23 PM

flizzim: so tired of the butthurt from sonics fans.
I'll just relax now with tasty beverage.

[i.imgur.com image 400x700]


Thats fine, you can make fun its all good.
Facts are facts and the truth is the truth.
I'm not one of those we should have won the Super Bowl Seattle fans, we lost. It's over, but the Sonics thing was all together different. My Childhood was about Sonics games and to see some Rich A$$hole come in and take away what many of us spending our lives supporting is just wrong. I dont care how you farking look at it.

40 years man, 40 years of green and gold. All gone, this is all about how Rich idiots get what they want. By lying, and stealing Pay attention, this could happen to anyone!!!
 
2012-06-11 01:37:59 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: Care to explain why he couldn't just quietly donate a huge amount of money to charity instead of going on TV to let millions of people know that he was donating the money to charity?

So now you think he should've told his team he was leaving before he left (note how well that's worked out for everyone else who has done it) AND should've given away several million dollars of his own money. You sound reasonable.

So you're saying that it's better for him to go on primetime TV, beat his dick and, in the process, get other people to donate to charity than for him to just make a f*cking donation to charity?


Why should it be expected of someone to donate money to charity when switching teams? Name me one other person that's done that or was expected to do that.

I agree that The Decision was a bad idea, but you're arguing against its one positive.
 
2012-06-11 01:38:24 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: So you're saying that it's better for him to go on primetime TV, beat his dick and, in the process, get other people to donate to charity than for him to just make a f*cking donation to charity?

No, I'm saying that they both end up being the same thing, so getting all butthurt about him getting companies to foot the bill is stupid.


He got companies to foot the bill by having a massive, self congratulatory wankfest on primetime television and, in the process, ruined his reputation with the high majority of fans not just in Cleveland, but everywhere outside of Florida.

Jesus Christ, dude, give it up. LeBron isn't going to sleep with you.
 
2012-06-11 01:38:29 PM
Professional sports are businesses and the people involved in them make business decisions.

News at 11.
 
2012-06-11 01:39:08 PM

basemetal: Lie about what, he told you what he was going to do. Also, the state voted on legislation that said no to funding new facilities after the other stadiums were built. I'd say the whole state had a say and said overwhelmingly, no.


No one is actually expecting you to apologize for your fandom of the Thunder and of their very existence, so I'm curious as to what's prompted your sudden case of Intentionalus Obtusitis.
 
2012-06-11 01:40:13 PM

basemetal: mentallo69: Stern is an evil, lying twisted fark.

Lie about what, he told you what he was going to do. Also, the state voted on legislation that said no to funding new facilities after the other stadiums were built. I'd say the whole state had a say and said overwhelmingly, no.


the 1985 draft, the kings-lakers officiating, the 2011 draft lottery, the profit/loss of the nba, the independence of the basketball staff of the new orleans horents 2011/2012, the 2012 draft lottery.

oh and this fact: stern raved about keyarena. when the building re-opened after a $74.5 million renovation he called it "a very special" place.
 
2012-06-11 01:40:24 PM
I get it now.The sonics were supposed to have stayed in seattle as a sort of charity to loyal fans who couldnt or wouldnt pay to keep them there . The Seattle Super Bad Investment Sonics.
 
2012-06-11 01:40:33 PM

FreakinB: Why should it be expected of someone to donate money to charity when switching teams? Name me one other person that's done that or was expected to do that.

I agree that The Decision was a bad idea, but you're arguing against its one positive.


I never said it should be expected. I don't give two f*cks if he donates sh*t to charity. My point is that if he's going to go on primetime TV and masturbate his ego for an hour, saying "Oh, well, it's for the children" is a bullsh*t excuse, whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.
 
2012-06-11 01:41:24 PM

basemetal: mentallo69: Stern is an evil, lying twisted fark.

Lie about what, he told you what he was going to do. Also, the state voted on legislation that said no to funding new facilities after the other stadiums were built. I'd say the whole state had a say and said overwhelmingly, no.


Well of course they did. Why the hell would congressmen from Eastern WA vote to have their $ fund an arena in Seattle for a team they'd have to drive 3 hours each way to see? You're correct in that Stern never lied, except when he said that he thought KeyArena was a state of the art facility a few years before calling it the worst building in the league. The NBA showed up with a horrible offer immediately after the city and county had helped build two gigantic, expensive stadiums. The reason I have a problem with Bennett is the lying, the reason I have a problem with Stern is the smug heartless way he handled the Seattle situation. He doesn't run the NBA like a sports league, he runs it like a mafia. None of the other commissioners would have considered allowing a team that successfully draws fans and sells merchandise in a large market to move to Oklahoma.
 
2012-06-11 01:43:03 PM

you have pee hands: Bill Simmons stuff is long form talk radio calls. He's entertaining, sometimes, but he's a huge homer and makes an awful lot of stuff up especially when it comes to Boston.



i don't listen to him often....if he has a good guest i'll listen but if the topic is Red Sox v Yanks (with Jack O, who is podcast death), reality TV, or NBA, i generally don't bother. during NFL season his podcast is mandatory but if it isn't NFL, betting on NFL, or the occasional Adam Carolla / Bill Hader / Jon Hamm celebrity appearance, i don't listen.

so i don't know if he's amking shiat up about LeBron.

/althoguh i did listen last week when he menteiond a 20:1 or 26:1 bet he made on the Kings to win the cup circa march, when they were on the playoff bubble.....that bet woudl pay i think he said $350 but HIS DAUGHTER LOST THE TICKET
 
2012-06-11 01:44:25 PM

seumasokelly: You're correct in that Stern never lied, except when he said that he thought KeyArena was a state of the art facility a few years before calling it the worst building in the league. The NBA showed up with a horrible offer immediately after the city and county had helped build two gigantic, expensive stadiums.



This!
 
2012-06-11 01:44:54 PM

A Fark Handle: i do. because it's sort of the farking point. stadiums and arena do not provide growth/job, they just transfer public money to billionaires. not a real good deal for everyone else.


Truth.

I am sad the Sonics are gone.

I am however, proud my city did not pony up more stadium money at the point of a gun. Finally. After the kingdome money sinkhole, subsidizing one of the richest men on the planet for qwest field, donating money to the nintendo corporation for safeco, and having dumped 100 mil into the key just a decade before the move... enough is enough. No public subsidies for privately owned for profit sports teams.

I hope sonics fans are rewarded with a new team. They deserve one. But if I'm in charge I would not give them one thin dime. I'll add that if you vote for public money for stadiums in your city I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself. How American citizens have decided the uber-wealthy are deserving of subsidies so they can then charge you through the nose to enter the building you helped build is something I will not understand if I live to be a hundred. They do it because you let them do it.
 
2012-06-11 01:45:28 PM

CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.


Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money
 
2012-06-11 01:45:31 PM
So you have Lebron leaving for Miami, in a situation that no matter what the Cleveland Cavaliers did, no matter how much money they gave him, the Cavs could not keep him.

Then you have the Sonics leaving for Oklahoma City, in a situation that no matter what Seattle did, no matter how much money they gave the owner, Seattle could not keep the team.

If you disagree with either situation then you don't understand how the business world works.
 
2012-06-11 01:45:35 PM
Oklahomans are bad and Seattlites are good now?
 
2012-06-11 01:46:55 PM

A Fark Handle: oh and this fact: stern raved about keyarena. when the building re-opened after a $74.5 million renovation he called it "a very special" place.


I think it was a 100 million renovation. The 75 was just the public portion.
 
2012-06-11 01:47:33 PM
It's interesting that Cleveland fans are willing to root for the new Art Modell, though.
 
2012-06-11 01:48:05 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money


Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.
 
2012-06-11 01:48:52 PM

IAmRight: It's interesting that Cleveland fans are willing to root for the new Art Modell, though.


If you want to see a community well and truly farked by a stadium deal, check out what Baltimore gave Art Modell.
 
2012-06-11 01:49:50 PM
Little annoys me more than political columnists using sports as a proxy for their political orthodoxy.

/OKC is the free market in action- taking the best deal, loyalty be damned.
//Why does NRO hate America
 
2012-06-11 01:52:04 PM

poughdrew: So you have Lebron leaving for Miami, in a situation that no matter what the Cleveland Cavaliers did, no matter how much money they gave him, the Cavs could not keep him.

Then you have the Sonics leaving for Oklahoma City, in a situation that no matter what Seattle did, no matter how much money they gave the owner, Seattle could not keep the team.

If you disagree with either situation then you don't understand how the business world works.


This is not true. Bennett would have sold the team and tried again if the city/county/state had ponied up hundreds of millions of dollars against the NBA/team's relative pittance to build a new arena. They knew they were making an offer that Seattle/King County/Washington would never accept and they had OKC sitting there begging for a team. The NBA and the ownership held all the cards. Either single-handedly fund a new arena with taxpayer money, or we move the team.
 
2012-06-11 01:52:26 PM

A Fark Handle: the 1985 draft, the kings-lakers officiating, the 2011 draft lottery, the profit/loss of the nba, the independence of the basketball staff of the new orleans horents 2011/2012, the 2012 draft lottery.



regulars in NBA threads have seen this a thousand times, but....

in the 2006 or whatever it was Suns/Spurs series, Amar'e got whistled early with 2 or perhaps 3 ghost fouls on Ginobili. he had to sit. I think it was Game 2 or perhaps 3. whatever.

well well well.

fast forward 2-3 years....Tim Freaking Donaghy says, after he was busted, "an easy way to influence the over/under is to give a guy a couple of fouls early. he has to go the bench, boom, there's your under. you aren't guaranteeing who wins, you're just shading the under."

TAKE A WILD FREAKING GUESS WHAT REFEREE MADE THOSE CALLS ON AMAR'E. oh, you had best believe the local folks went nuts when Donaghy made those calls. even simmons got in on the action. circa 2009 he posted his game logs from that game andw as like, "wtf? what did amare do to get whisteld?"

NBA is fixed.
 
2012-06-11 01:53:12 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.


Look, I was going to invite you two to my upcoming pancake social, but I can't have you acting this way in front of such esteemed guests like the guy who played dead body #584 in Platoon and the Mayor of Tumbleweed, SD. My reputation is at stake.
 
2012-06-11 01:53:13 PM


Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
a.espncdn.com
 
2012-06-11 01:55:19 PM

mikaloyd: I get it now.The sonics were supposed to have stayed in seattle as a sort of charity to loyal fans who couldnt or wouldnt pay to keep them there . The Seattle Super Bad Investment Sonics.


yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?

/still can't believe that katrina cost seattle the sonics
//can't wait for the zombies to move somewhere else in 15 years.
 
2012-06-11 01:56:40 PM

JohnBigBootay: If you want to see a community well and truly farked by a stadium deal, check out what Baltimore gave Art Modell.



care to explain? i've never heard anything bad or whatever about that.

(or good, for that matter...i just flat don't know what you're talking about).
 
2012-06-11 01:57:00 PM

Fricknmaniac: Fricknmaniac: The Miami Heat could be facing the Gomorrah Sodomites with the starting 5 of, Hilter, Stalin, Ivan the Terrible, Pol Pot, and Attila the Hun, and I would STILL have to think about who I would consider the villains to be.


D'you think Hitler could dunk?
 
2012-06-11 01:58:36 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.


I hate the "you started it" argument, but didn't you, Cavalier, say "I'm sorry that LeBron won't sleep with you" before IamRight's insult? If you don't want people taking shots at you, don't take shots at them.

And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)
 
2012-06-11 01:59:06 PM

mikaloyd: Oklahomans are bad and Seattlites are good now?


No not at all bro! I do not hold any ill will at Thunder fans. You guy's have done a great job supporting our Sonics, jk :), but seriously its about the current and former owners, the mayor, the govenor and Stern.

Seattle fans lost
OKC fans won

Either way, the fans are not at fault for either.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:05 PM

mikaloyd: Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
[a.espncdn.com image 350x254]


That pic won't load for me, but I'm assuming it's Bill Simmons?

Maybe a loyal supporter of a local sports team could win in Pittsburgh or Green Bay or something, but Steve Largent would get his ass roundly handed to him here.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:12 PM

mikaloyd: Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
[lebronjames image 350x254]


fark no, i wouldn't trust him to balance a checkbook. but if it comes down to who can fulfill seattle's need for a.b.o.k.c. (anybody but okc), then in lebron we trust.

/of course maybe the stadium can just collapse.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:28 PM

gtfan92: CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.

I hate the "you started it" argument, but didn't you, Cavalier, say "I'm sorry that LeBron won't sleep with you" before IamRight's insult? If you don't want people taking shots at you, don't take shots at them.


After he called me, specifically a "pathetic loser", yeah.
 
2012-06-11 02:01:55 PM

A Fark Handle: mikaloyd: Could win a Seattle Mayoral race
[lebronjames image 350x254]

fark no, i wouldn't trust him to balance a checkbook. but if it comes down to who can fulfill seattle's need for a.b.o.k.c. (anybody but okc), then in lebron we trust.

/of course maybe the stadium can just collapse.


Oh, was it LeBron? Well that's even dumber.
 
2012-06-11 02:02:28 PM

gtfan92: And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)


I didn't like The Decision. It was a bad idea. However, it was a freaking PR mistake, not a crime. Really nobody was harmed except for LeBron. It's crazy to me that we're here two years later and people are still *this* worked up about it, especially given that LeBron hasn't done anything particularly bad since.
 
2012-06-11 02:03:06 PM
Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive. Some people have said if the Thunder sucked we wouldn't be hearing anything about this. I don't think that is true. We'd be hearing Seattle fans gloating about how we are getting what we deserve. Kinda like how they did the first year. Don't worry, some day they wont be very good and you will get your chance. The Seahawks used to be a team I would go for if my team was failing, but not anymore, the combination of insults directed at Oklahoma and Pete Carroll have earned my ire for any Seattle team. Go Cardinals, Rams, 49ers! I hope Carroll screws you guys as bad as he did USC (without the championships). I dont really have to mention the Mariners (but I will), they always suck.
 
2012-06-11 02:03:18 PM

A Fark Handle: yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?


Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there. But there isnt. And not, for lack of start-up money in the area. The State told the NBA to go fark itself and move on. Its still Washington and they'd tell the NBA the same again. Oklahoma welcomed a team with open arms and the team is makin money. In this economy.
 
2012-06-11 02:04:18 PM

FreakinB: gtfan92: And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)

I didn't like The Decision. It was a bad idea. However, it was a freaking PR mistake, not a crime. Really nobody was harmed except for LeBron. It's crazy to me that we're here two years later and people are still *this* worked up about it, especially given that LeBron hasn't done anything particularly bad since.


well other than that time that CRAIG LEBRON JAMES KILLED FIVE HOOKERS WHILE AT SMU A SOUTH BEACH PARTY
 
2012-06-11 02:04:25 PM
When its all said and done, LeBron went to a worse team, but in a better climate.... Miami only a chance because he was forced to play the one-man show, like he did in Cleveland.

He'd have the Cavs in the Finals right now, too (if he didn't decided to quit somewhere along the way). Was it all worth it? Who knows, but it should be an entertaining Finals for fans, in general.
 
2012-06-11 02:04:45 PM
I like LeBron, the only huge poor decision he made was how he announced his change to a new team. And, we don't even know if it was his idea. Players switch teams all the time. LeBron isn't getting in trouble and seems to be a good role model. He tries to be respectful. Yea, he might try to shape his public image, but which athlete doesn't? The guy is human, is the greatest player in the league right now and has a lot of pressure on him to win a championship. Cleveland fans think they are somehow entitled to him because he grew up in Ohio or something, but they aren't. They need to deal with it. There is a bandwagon of hate for LeBron that people are jumping on and have no idea why. That said, LeBron v Durant should be fun to watch.
 
2012-06-11 02:06:26 PM

jayhawk88: IAmRight: So what he should've done is tell them immediately upon signing a contract extension that it would be his last and he was leaving town as soon as he became a free agent. That makes sense.

Look I know LeBron's your boy and/or you like to be contrarian on this, but please don't act like LeBron is blameless in that mess. He definitely lead Cleveland on for at least that last season (you can never prove it but at least LeBron and Wade had to be talking about this for quite some time previous to that summer), and at a minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


No matter how much these guys make and no matter how much they live out their professional lives in the public eye, it's still an employer/employee relationship. James was under a professional contract that he fulfilled with the Cavs and Dan Gilbert. Gilbert and the Cavs made a ton of money off of him. In his last year with the team, they were first in the league in local TV ratings and second in attendance. He didn't owe them anything.

The only reason Gilbert was so pissed and whined like a baby wasn't because of loyalty, or not knowing the decision beforehand. It's because his franchise dropped about a quarter in value and there was nothing he could do about it.
 
2012-06-11 02:07:58 PM

rickythepenguin: jayhawk88: minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


IIRC even Jim Gray has tried to wash his hands of The Decision. I heard him on someone's podcast, i'm thinking Rich Eisen but that doesn't sound right, and as i recall, Gray said LeBron's team approcahed him about the even and it kept getting bigger and bigger. it went from an exclusive announcement to a TV, to "gee, wouldn't it be great if we did this in front of a bunch of kids?" and spiraled into the schlockfest it was.

also, i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics was the answer. remember him just completely going Rain Man during the game? i know the joke is LeBron disappears in teh 4th quarter but....mentally, he wasn't present. he was sleepwalking practically. i think that was him realizing, on the court, that he was done in that city.


See I would say the whole of '09-10, both the off-season and during the season, was when the switch flipped. Especially that '10 trade deadline, when Cleveland could have had Amare from Phoenix if they just would have included Hickson with the package, but didn't pull the trigger and went with Jamison instead. The argument that Jamison fit better with the team isn't unjustified, but still, the message there seemed to be "We're serious about giving you a winning team, but not that serious." And then of course Brown buries Hickson in the playoffs.

LeBron kind of quit at the end of that Boston series, but I think it was the whole season that he was thinking about when he did. "Man, I gotta come back to this and watch Joe Johnson, Amare, Wade, Dirk, Bosh, and all them guys team up while my team brings in Richard Jefferson and Ronnie Brewer?"
 
2012-06-11 02:08:13 PM

fonebone77: Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive. Some people have said if the Thunder sucked we wouldn't be hearing anything about this. I don't think that is true. We'd be hearing Seattle fans gloating about how we are getting what we deserve. Kinda like how they did the first year. Don't worry, some day they wont be very good and you will get your chance. The Seahawks used to be a team I would go for if my team was failing, but not anymore, the combination of insults directed at Oklahoma and Pete Carroll have earned my ire for any Seattle team. Go Cardinals, Rams, 49ers! I hope Carroll screws you guys as bad as he did USC (without the championships). I dont really have to mention the Mariners (but I will), they always suck.


You think Carroll screwed USC? HAHAHAHAHA

Hey guys, we can't count on fonebone77's support anymore, PACK IT IN.

If you read this thread, the only Oklahoman anyone is blaming for the move is Clay Bennett.
 
2012-06-11 02:08:23 PM
Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?
 
2012-06-11 02:08:59 PM
teams trams whatever
 
2012-06-11 02:09:28 PM
If there's one thing sports fans can do well, it's hold an irrational grudge
 
2012-06-11 02:09:56 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?

Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there. But there isnt. And not, for lack of start-up money in the area. The State told the NBA to go fark itself and move on. Its still Washington and they'd tell the NBA the same again. Oklahoma welcomed a team with open arms and the team is makin money. In this economy.


do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle.
 
2012-06-11 02:10:48 PM

mikaloyd: Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?


Monorail developers are notoriously cutthroat
 
2012-06-11 02:12:38 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.


Yeast infection extra itchy today?

...did you just say something about not taking personal shots whilst taking personal shots..that's cute!

/IAmRight is often right
 
2012-06-11 02:13:28 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: yes, the bad investment that is owning a nba franchise with a rabid fan base in the 13th or 14th largest media market with plenty of ties to asia (the nba does want to build a global image) and high tech industries. or you could move the franchise to the 45th largest media market with ties to calf roping and college football. hmmm, what should i do? what should i do?

Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there. But there isnt. And not, for lack of start-up money in the area. The State told the NBA to go fark itself and move on. Its still Washington and they'd tell the NBA the same again. Oklahoma welcomed a team with open arms wallets and the team is makin money. In this economy.


FTFY. Of course they're making money. They're new and they exist in a basketball/hockey vacuum and play a large portion of the season when there's no football. Being successful on the court helps too. Oklahoma City has proven to be a good market, for now. Seattle was a great market for 40 years and would be again. Also, they'll never ask the State Legislature for money for an arena again because there's no reason to approve one red cent for any reps axcept those from the greater Seattle area. That's why they asked the legislature...because they knew they'd say no.
 
2012-06-11 02:14:03 PM

CavalierEternal: After he called me, specifically a "pathetic loser", yeah.


You're a Cleveland sports fan who is still butthurt about the LeBron thing - you've pretty much admitted that you're proud of being called that. (that's not the only reason, but it'll do)

mikaloyd: Go where actual profit is and not ethereal potential profit. Which is what happened.If it was a profit plim ripe for NBA picking in Seattle there would already be another team there.


It wasn't about profit, it was about bringing a franchise to his hometown and being a hero. I can't blame the dude for that. Just wish Stern would've let him take New Orleans, the team he originally wanted and which had no fan support.
 
2012-06-11 02:15:24 PM

A Fark Handle: do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle


Thats a neat story from fantasyland but what leads you to believe that theyd be in the finals now if they were still in Seattle? The "cowboys" turned the team around not good decent "non-cowboys" like the proud cowboy hatin Seattle folk.
 
2012-06-11 02:18:02 PM

Lost Thought 00: mikaloyd: Will the owners of the trams be playing for the Championship on the court?

Monorail developers are notoriously cutthroat


Every city needs a momorail
 
2012-06-11 02:18:56 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle

Thats a neat story from fantasyland but what leads you to believe that theyd be in the finals now if they were still in Seattle? The "cowboys" turned the team around not good decent "non-cowboys" like the proud cowboy hatin Seattle folk.


Well, had the local gov't bent over for the NBA and screwed local taxpayers, we still would've had Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, Collison (at least, not sure about Harden, but maybe) and the team would've been sold to Steve Ballmer (in all likelihood).
 
2012-06-11 02:19:15 PM
With regard to OKC as a market, I think they'll be fine. I can see that ending up being similar to the Jazz or the Blazers; smaller cities where there are rabid fans since they're the only big game in town. The NBA does have a generally good history with cities where they're the only big-league team.

OKC definitely deserves a team, and proved as much when the Hornets were playing there. It's just that the way they got one was horrendous.
 
2012-06-11 02:19:47 PM

mikaloyd: A Fark Handle: do you realize how much farking money the sonics would be making in seattle right now? everyone EVERYONE would be on the bandwagon, just like they are in okc, but the wagon is just a lot farking bigger. they're making money because they are winning. that happens anywhere. it's not like sonic fans refused to attend games, or buy merchandise. especially if you had kd/westbrook/harden and it's the nba finals. there is plenty of bank to made is seattle. clay took his team because he like his shiny new toy. stern farked seattle because he's a glorified mob boss and can go fark himself. schultz sold the team to a bunch of cowboys because he's a greedy piece of shiat douchenozzle

Thats a neat story from fantasyland but what leads you to believe that theyd be in the finals now if they were still in Seattle? The "cowboys" turned the team around not good decent "non-cowboys" like the proud cowboy hatin Seattle folk.


yep, seattle only drafted kd and westbrook. sure who knows if seattle would have picked up harden or some of the other pieces, but it's not like folks are mad just because the sonics were stolen. they were stolen after the sonics had drafted a once in a generation scorer.

/enjoy your trolling.
 
2012-06-11 02:19:58 PM
i568.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-11 02:21:41 PM

The1andonlyZack: CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: whereas if he actually gave a sh*t about the children, he would've just made a donation.

Another case of "If you REALLY meant it, you'd do exactly what I think you should do..."

STFU

/let me know when you donate $6 to anything, much less $6 million, then tell others how they should spend their money

Seriously dude, your f*ckin' LeBron apologist, contrarian bullsh*t is played out. Give it a f*cking rest and recognize that you're in the very, very thin minority regarding your opinions on the man and stop taking personal shots at people who disagree with you, you arrogant c*nt.

Yeast infection extra itchy today?

...did you just say something about not taking personal shots whilst taking personal shots..that's cute!



I didn't set the rhetoric for the debate by starting out with personal shots, thanks.

I don't know why I even waste my time trying to explain the reasoning behind the majority of people who dislike LeBron James to someone who has clear biases not only in favor of LeBron James, but against our teams, our fans and our city. I'd be better off trying to teach the neighbor's cat to speak Russian.
 
2012-06-11 02:22:31 PM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but I am pretty sure that Micky Arison has also received Corporate Welfare from Florida taxpayers for the Heat's arena.

He moved some of his cruise ships out of Alaska after the Alaskan government made him spend 15 seconds worth of profit on pollution control equipment.
 
2012-06-11 02:23:51 PM
Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.
 
2012-06-11 02:23:54 PM

A Fark Handle: they were stolen after the sonics had drafted a once in a generation scorer.


They were gone before that (they were only there while the legal formalities were getting taken care of).

/that's why Stern made sure his BFF Bennett got Durant in the first place
//everyone knew the Blazers would go for the big man with the injury history
 
2012-06-11 02:25:05 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.


Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?
 
2012-06-11 02:26:48 PM
If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.
 
2012-06-11 02:27:55 PM

CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?


Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!
 
2012-06-11 02:28:48 PM

gtfan92: CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!


Just because we've gotten over it doesn't mean we have to like the asshole.
 
2012-06-11 02:28:50 PM

skinink: I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


0/10. Because there is no way you can be serious.
 
2012-06-11 02:29:19 PM

skinink: If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


they have fans? i was not aware...i thought it was just a bunch of farking idiots who like front running and wearing whatever the hot logo is. i wouldn't call them fans.
 
2012-06-11 02:29:35 PM

fonebone77: Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive. Some people have said if the Thunder sucked we wouldn't be hearing anything about this. I don't think that is true. We'd be hearing Seattle fans gloating about how we are getting what we deserve. Kinda like how they did the first year. Don't worry, some day they wont be very good and you will get your chance. The Seahawks used to be a team I would go for if my team was failing, but not anymore, the combination of insults directed at Oklahoma and Pete Carroll have earned my ire for any Seattle team. Go Cardinals, Rams, 49ers! I hope Carroll screws you guys as bad as he did USC (without the championships). I dont really have to mention the Mariners (but I will), they always suck.


I'm sooooo sure that the Seahawks really miss your support, and that it upsets them to no end.
 
2012-06-11 02:29:54 PM

skinink: If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


I'm openly cheering for al-Qaeda to make a big comeback.
 
2012-06-11 02:29:55 PM

CavalierEternal: Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?


I get it. "The Decision" was farking idiotic and insulting, and I understand why Cleveland folks like yourself would be upset by that.

However, I also get that it was two years ago. Have some farking pride and stop pining over the "one that got away".
 
2012-06-11 02:30:17 PM

A Fark Handle: skinink: If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.

they have fans? i was not aware...i thought it was just a bunch of farking idiots who like front running and wearing whatever the hot logo is. i wouldn't call them fans.


coedbc.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-06-11 02:31:01 PM

A Fark Handle: they have fans? i was not aware...i thought it was just a bunch of farking idiots who like front running and wearing whatever the hot logo is. i wouldn't call them fans.


You just described both sets of "fanbases".
 
2012-06-11 02:31:51 PM

CavalierEternal: gtfan92: CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!

Just because we've gotten over it doesn't mean we have to like the asshole.


You sure you've gotten over it? Because while LeBron may sometimes be arrogant, I wouldn't put him on the "asshole" list.
 
2012-06-11 02:31:53 PM

skinink: If it was the Miami Heat vs. the Dog Eating KKK Aborting Nazi Zombies From Hell, I'd still root against the Heat. The Miami fans are becoming unbearable even before the Finals. I haven't read or heard any Oklahoma fans bragging like the Heat fans.


Says the guy with this in his profile:

"Proud fan of all of the Major Boston sports teams except for the Revolution, who are soccer's version of the 90's Buffalo Bills."

I guess it's only okay if the frontrunners like your team.
 
2012-06-11 02:32:16 PM

gtfan92: Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!


Tune in later as Cavs fans minimize LeBron's accomplishments in Cleveland by ignoring the fact that he dragged an overmatched team to one NBA Finals and did the best he could with the likes of an elderly Antawn Jamison, and eldery AND overweight Shaq plus immortals like Mo Williams and Boobie Gibson.

They weren't going anywhere, he recognized it and got the fark out of there while he could.
 
2012-06-11 02:32:51 PM

Yanks_RSJ: CavalierEternal: Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

I get it. "The Decision" was farking idiotic and insulting, and I understand why Cleveland folks like yourself would be upset by that.

However, I also get that it was two years ago. Have some farking pride and stop pining over the "one that got away".


Like I told gtfan, we're over it. It's not really a touchy subject anymore, but if you ask any Clevelander what they think of LeBron James, they'll still tell you that he's an asshole and they'll have a reason why. "Getting over it" doesn't mean you have to change your opinion of that person or what they did. We've got a solid little team building up again already with Kyrie and Tristan. We'll be fine. Doesn't mean we wouldn't also take a little bit of joy in seeing LeBron eat sh*t again.
 
2012-06-11 02:33:10 PM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with LeBron James' actions regarding his career.
 
2012-06-11 02:33:58 PM

PowerSlacker: A Fark Handle: they have fans? i was not aware...i thought it was just a bunch of farking idiots who like front running and wearing whatever the hot logo is. i wouldn't call them fans.

You just described both sets of "fanbases".


I've said this before, but I give OKC fans a pass because of the whole "the team didn't exist until very, very recently" thing. That strikes me as a good excuse.

Though I actually do know one guy from Miami who's been a diehard Heat fan since long before anyone ever heard of Dwyane Wade. I acknowledge that he's in the minority, but still.
 
2012-06-11 02:34:21 PM
I'll be pulling for the Celtics! Reckonthatis.com
 
2012-06-11 02:34:56 PM
NBA threads make me sad.
 
2012-06-11 02:35:00 PM

gtfan92: CavalierEternal: gtfan92: CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!

Just because we've gotten over it doesn't mean we have to like the asshole.

You sure you've gotten over it? Because while LeBron may sometimes be arrogant, I wouldn't put him on the "asshole" list.


He held a primetime TV party for himself so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves. We're over it, but he's still an asshole for it.
 
2012-06-11 02:36:03 PM

FreakinB: Though I actually do know one guy from Miami who's been a diehard Heat fan since long before anyone ever heard of Dwyane Wade. I acknowledge that he's in the minority, but still.


They didnt have fans when Zo and Hardaway were battling the Knicks?
 
2012-06-11 02:36:30 PM
It was a travesty how Seattle lost their team, but I would cheer for Hitler over Miami.

Go Thunder!
 
2012-06-11 02:37:00 PM

CavalierEternal: so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves.


Funny how you said that in his eyes, it was all about him, then you pretend it was all about you.
 
2012-06-11 02:37:47 PM

CavalierEternal: gtfan92: CavalierEternal: gtfan92: CavalierEternal: Yanks_RSJ: Oh look, it's another Cleveland jilted-lover biatchfest because LeBron owed them ... well something, apparently. Because I'm sure they'd love him if they hadn't won the lottery for the right to draft him.

Get over it. He's a professional athlete who made a professional business decision about his career. Newsflash, even people from the Cleveland area don't want to stay in Cleveland if they don't have to.

Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

Oh for farks sake, it's not like he drowned adorable puppies on national television. Get the fark over it already!

Just because we've gotten over it doesn't mean we have to like the asshole.

You sure you've gotten over it? Because while LeBron may sometimes be arrogant, I wouldn't put him on the "asshole" list.

He held a primetime TV party for himself so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves. We're over it, but he's still an asshole for it.


You have a pathetic perception of reality. You got to see a one-in-a-generation player on your team, and you're are mad because he left. Guess what? I'm a Hawks fans. My team has never been out of the second round and essentially hasn't had a star player in my lifetime. Get. The. fark. Over. It.
 
2012-06-11 02:38:27 PM

CavalierEternal: He held a primetime TV party for himself so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves. We're over it, but he's still an asshole for it.


Didnt he also raise $2millions for charity that day?
 
2012-06-11 02:38:29 PM

IAmRight: CavalierEternal: so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves.

Funny how you said that in his eyes, it was all about him, then you pretend it was all about you.


When the f*ck did I say it was all about us? All I said was that he f*cking humiliated us on national TV. He did this while being a narcissistic sh*t sandwich. There's not any contradiction there.
 
2012-06-11 02:38:37 PM

Yanks_RSJ: However, I also get that it was two years ago. Have some farking pride and stop pining over the "one that got away".


At least Dan Gilbert did a fantastic job of simply moving on, and not spending one ounce of energy further demonizing and potentially inciting a metro-wide fury of revulsion towards a former player. His grace and class throughout the ordeal will only attract a bevy of future free agents to Cleveland.
 
2012-06-11 02:39:08 PM

jayhawk88: rickythepenguin: jayhawk88: minimum his decision should have been a meeting in private with Cleveland management and a simple "Thank you for 7 great years, I have decided to move on" press release, rather than that circus they tried pull off.


IIRC even Jim Gray has tried to wash his hands of The Decision. I heard him on someone's podcast, i'm thinking Rich Eisen but that doesn't sound right, and as i recall, Gray said LeBron's team approcahed him about the even and it kept getting bigger and bigger. it went from an exclusive announcement to a TV, to "gee, wouldn't it be great if we did this in front of a bunch of kids?" and spiraled into the schlockfest it was.

also, i think LeBron mentally checking out of that last playoff game vs the Celtics was the answer. remember him just completely going Rain Man during the game? i know the joke is LeBron disappears in teh 4th quarter but....mentally, he wasn't present. he was sleepwalking practically. i think that was him realizing, on the court, that he was done in that city.

See I would say the whole of '09-10, both the off-season and during the season, was when the switch flipped. Especially that '10 trade deadline, when Cleveland could have had Amare from Phoenix if they just would have included Hickson with the package, but didn't pull the trigger and went with Jamison instead. The argument that Jamison fit better with the team isn't unjustified, but still, the message there seemed to be "We're serious about giving you a winning team, but not that serious." And then of course Brown buries Hickson in the playoffs.

LeBron kind of quit at the end of that Boston series, but I think it was the whole season that he was thinking about when he did. "Man, I gotta come back to this and watch Joe Johnson, Amare, Wade, Dirk, Bosh, and all them guys team up while my team brings in Richard Jefferson and Ronnie Brewer?"


I normally really appreciate your posts, but the Cavs declining a Amar'e/ Hickson trade is flat out not true. Both the Suns and the Cavs have come out after the fact to confirm this.

If you aren't from Cleveland/Akron (I'm from Akron), I really don't expect you to understand why his departure was crushing to us and why the way he left was so much worse. People like IAmRight love LeBron and his basketball skills and that is just fine, LeBron leaving didn't affect him at all. But please, spare us the tired "get over it" line, as Scott Raab said "as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."
 
2012-06-11 02:39:39 PM

Gunny Highway: FreakinB: Though I actually do know one guy from Miami who's been a diehard Heat fan since long before anyone ever heard of Dwyane Wade. I acknowledge that he's in the minority, but still.

They didnt have fans when Zo and Hardaway were battling the Knicks?


Heh. He does go back farther but Wade's the current reference point.

That's actually the thing that bothers me the most about people being so over-the-top about the Heat. I shouldn't be sympathetic towards the team that led Van Gundy to cling to a leg. They're supposed to be an enemy for me, dammit!
 
2012-06-11 02:40:07 PM

Gunny Highway: CavalierEternal: He held a primetime TV party for himself so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves. We're over it, but he's still an asshole for it.

Didnt he also raise $2millions for charity that day?


We've been over that already.
 
2012-06-11 02:40:39 PM

Killer Cars: Yanks_RSJ: However, I also get that it was two years ago. Have some farking pride and stop pining over the "one that got away".

At least Dan Gilbert did a fantastic job of simply moving on, and not spending one ounce of energy further demonizing and potentially inciting a metro-wide fury of revulsion towards a former player. His grace and class throughout the ordeal will only attract a bevy of future free agents to Cleveland.


This comment needs more comic sans.

And it's not like any free agents would want to go to Cleveland anyway, so he can send out all the brokenhearted missives he wants without worrying about it.
 
2012-06-11 02:41:53 PM

Serges: If you aren't from Cleveland/Akron (I'm from Akron), I really don't expect you to understand why his departure was crushing to us and why the way he left was so much worse. People like IAmRight love LeBron and his basketball skills and that is just fine, LeBron leaving didn't affect him at all. But please, spare us the tired "get over it" line, as Scott Raab said "as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."


Thank you. Very eloquently put.
 
2012-06-11 02:42:32 PM
Also CavalierEternal, my favorite player is Josh Smith. The guy is frustrating as hell on the court, has supposedly asked for a trade, and at times appears completely disinterested.

LeBron did none of these things in Cleveland.

However, if Smoove decided to go to another team after next year, I would still root for him. I wouldn't hate him for "humiliating me" in some fictitious way.
 
2012-06-11 02:43:55 PM

CavalierEternal: Gunny Highway: CavalierEternal: He held a primetime TV party for himself so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves. We're over it, but he's still an asshole for it.

Didnt he also raise $2millions for charity that day?

We've been over that already.


I assume you had a problem with it.

He did not "f*cking humiliated [you] on national TV" either.
 
2012-06-11 02:45:35 PM

CavalierEternal: Serges: If you aren't from Cleveland/Akron (I'm from Akron), I really don't expect you to understand why his departure was crushing to us and why the way he left was so much worse. People like IAmRight love LeBron and his basketball skills and that is just fine, LeBron leaving didn't affect him at all. But please, spare us the tired "get over it" line, as Scott Raab said "as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."

Thank you. Very eloquently put.


How did LeBron leaving impact your lives? It is farking sports for christ's sake.

Get over it.
 
2012-06-11 02:46:46 PM

gtfan92: Also CavalierEternal, my favorite player is Josh Smith. The guy is frustrating as hell on the court, has supposedly asked for a trade, and at times appears completely disinterested.

LeBron did none of these things in Cleveland.

However, if Smoove decided to go to another team after next year, I would still root for him. I wouldn't hate him for "humiliating me" in some fictitious way.


When Josh Smith develops into a LeBron-level talent, drags your team along with a game of "Will I, Won't I?" for a year, goes on national TV interviews dropping hints that Atlanta is still in the lead to re-sign him and then goes in ESPN in primetime to let the entire world know that he's going to play for the Magic, check back with me and let me know how you feel about Josh Smith.
 
2012-06-11 02:48:29 PM

Gunny Highway: CavalierEternal: Serges: If you aren't from Cleveland/Akron (I'm from Akron), I really don't expect you to understand why his departure was crushing to us and why the way he left was so much worse. People like IAmRight love LeBron and his basketball skills and that is just fine, LeBron leaving didn't affect him at all. But please, spare us the tired "get over it" line, as Scott Raab said "as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."

Thank you. Very eloquently put.

How did LeBron leaving impact your lives? It is farking sports for christ's sake.


You mean aside from the obvious economic impact that the Cavaliers huge decrease in value has on Cleveland and the surrounding areas?

But it's okay because "LOL CLEVELAND'S ALREADY POOR LOLOL", right?
 
2012-06-11 02:49:12 PM

IAmRight: Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.


Really, no predictions?
 
2012-06-11 02:51:11 PM

CavalierEternal: gtfan92: Also CavalierEternal, my favorite player is Josh Smith. The guy is frustrating as hell on the court, has supposedly asked for a trade, and at times appears completely disinterested.

LeBron did none of these things in Cleveland.

However, if Smoove decided to go to another team after next year, I would still root for him. I wouldn't hate him for "humiliating me" in some fictitious way.

When Josh Smith develops into a LeBron-level talent, drags your team along with a game of "Will I, Won't I?" for a year, goes on national TV interviews dropping hints that Atlanta is still in the lead to re-sign him and then goes in ESPN in primetime to let the entire world know that he's going to play for the Magic, check back with me and let me know how you feel about Josh Smith.


I'd probably still root for him because I'm not a drama queen. Oh, and Josh Smith with LeBron level talent would mean Atlanta would have a couple of titles by now. LeBron, Joe Johnson, and Al Horford would make a farking awesome team! Maybe Cleveland should have learned this concept of having more than one good player.
 
2012-06-11 02:51:12 PM

fonebone77: Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive


You can look forward to it for decades after the Thunder stop being competitive. Sports grudges can last a long, long time, especially in three specific cases:

*A city hijacking another city's team. If the move is a product of the kind of apathy that leads to 'save our team' rallies that draw maybe twelve people (Expos, Houston Oilers, Atlanta Thrashers), that's one thing. When the team is deemed stolen, though (Sonics, Brooklyn Dodgers, Baltimore Colts, Cleveland Browns 1.0)
*A championship stolen. Not 'disputed' or 'controversial'. Stolen. Pottsville Maroons-level stolen.
*The franchise's best-ever player shipped off for peanuts after you know how good he is but with enough time for him to come back and repeatedly pound the team that shipped him off (e.g. Babe Ruth).

You commit one of those three offenses, you can expect teenage fans to grow old and die still cursing your name. The Bidwell family still, to this day, steers clear of Pottsville, Pennsylvania. Clay Bennett can expect the same treatment in Seattle for the rest of his life.
 
2012-06-11 02:53:00 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves.

Funny how you said that in his eyes, it was all about him, then you pretend it was all about you.

When the f*ck did I say it was all about us? All I said was that he f*cking humiliated us on national TV. He did this while being a narcissistic sh*t sandwich. There's not any contradiction there.


So we'll get in a time machine and another team can get Lebron for all those years; because you whiny bastards didn't deserve him to begin with. HE WAS YOUR WHOLE TEAM and your management decided not to put any other useful pieces around him...boo..hoo. He humiliated you...he screwed your mom and took a picture and posted it online. Everyone knew he was leaving, what was so humiliating about it. He never spoke down about the city or its people...you guys are insane.

Agree with the sentiment you should just be happy you ever had a player of such a caliber.
 
2012-06-11 02:53:10 PM

Supes: IAmRight: Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.

Really, no predictions?


Didn't you just prove IAmRight's point?
 
2012-06-11 02:53:29 PM

CavalierEternal: You mean aside from the obvious economic impact that the Cavaliers huge decrease in value has on Cleveland and the surrounding areas?


So, not only did LeBron basically save the Cavaliers franchise by his mere presence and role in taking them to the NBA Finals, but he was also responsible for maintaining the economy of an entire city?

You want him to take out your garbage too?
 
2012-06-11 02:53:45 PM

Gunny Highway: CavalierEternal: Serges: If you aren't from Cleveland/Akron (I'm from Akron), I really don't expect you to understand why his departure was crushing to us and why the way he left was so much worse. People like IAmRight love LeBron and his basketball skills and that is just fine, LeBron leaving didn't affect him at all. But please, spare us the tired "get over it" line, as Scott Raab said "as if 'over it' is best defined by some asshole who likes telling other people how to feel and act."

Thank you. Very eloquently put.

How did LeBron leaving impact your lives? It is farking sports for christ's sake.

Get over it.


I don't understand this post. You can say "It's farking sports for christ's sake" to anything by that mentality. Your team won a championship and you are jumping up and down and getting hammered, it's just sports for christ's sake! Yes, it is just sports. And people take them way too serious and have been for a century now, this is nothing new.
 
2012-06-11 02:54:07 PM

CavalierEternal: When Josh Smith develops into a LeBron-level talent, drags your team along with a game of "Will I, Won't I?" for a year, goes on national TV interviews dropping hints that Atlanta is still in the lead to re-sign him and then goes in ESPN in primetime to let the entire world know that he's going to play for the Magic, check back with me and let me know how you feel about Josh Smith.


So you are saying that LeBron's fault is that he is too good, wasn't sure where he wanted to be, and then decided that where you live wasn't the right place for him to live? Sorry, but you just come off sounding like a spoiled kid crying about the candy his mom took away.

LeBron doesn't owe anything to you or to Cleveland to be honest. You want him to be some noble white knight or something from the movies. This is reality, the dude wants to win a championship. He didn't think it would happen there, so he moved on.
 
2012-06-11 02:55:40 PM
Who would visit Pottsville, Pennsylvania?
 
2012-06-11 02:55:46 PM

JamUhn: So you are saying that LeBron's fault is that he is too good, wasn't sure where he wanted to be, and then decided that where you live wasn't the right place for him to live? Sorry, but you just come off sounding like a spoiled kid crying about the candy his mom took away.

LeBron doesn't owe anything to you or to Cleveland to be honest. You want him to be some noble white knight or something from the movies. This is reality, the dude wants to win a championship. He didn't think it would happen there, so he moved on.


This.
 
2012-06-11 02:56:07 PM
I'll say it one more time; it's real f*ckin' easy to say, "LOL QUIT WHINING GET OVER IT YOU'RE PATHETIC" when nothing like that has happened or will ever happened to you.

Consider it the childbirth of sports. You'll never have any idea how it feels, so stop pretending that you know how it feels and quit being pricks to the people who do.

If you'll excuse me, I have better things to do with my time, like trying to teach the neighbor's cat to speak Russian.
 
2012-06-11 02:57:43 PM

Supes: IAmRight: Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.

Really, no predictions?


For one, he did qualify it with "if we do it the right way." For two, it was a pep rally. The whole purpose of a pep rally is to say stuff like that so people get excited.

My point earlier about The Decision being a PR mistake and not a crime worth years of grudges? Same holds true for me on this.
 
2012-06-11 02:57:43 PM

Serges: I normally really appreciate your posts, but the Cavs declining a Amar'e/ Hickson trade is flat out not true. Both the Suns and the Cavs have come out after the fact to confirm this.


What was the story on this then? Granted this has been a while ago by now, but the Amare trade was definitely out there and available at the time.
 
2012-06-11 02:57:50 PM

CavalierEternal: If you'll excuse me, I have better things to do with my time, like trying to teach the neighbor's cat to speak Russian.


My neighbor's cat already know some Russian. Of course, I'm in Russia.
 
2012-06-11 02:59:22 PM

FreakinB: Supes: IAmRight: Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.

Really, no predictions?

For one, he did qualify it with "if we do it the right way." For two, it was a pep rally. The whole purpose of a pep rally is to say stuff like that so people get excited.

My point earlier about The Decision being a PR mistake and not a crime worth years of grudges? Same holds true for me on this.


I actually disagree for the pep rally part. What the hell is he supposed to say? "We will win one, and only one, title. Yay!!"
 
2012-06-11 02:59:36 PM

Yanks_RSJ: CavalierEternal: Still having trouble grasping the whole "it's not that he left, it's how he left" point?

I get it. "The Decision" was farking idiotic and insulting, and I understand why Cleveland folks like yourself would be upset by that.

However, I also get that it was two years ago. Have some farking pride and stop pining over the "one that got away".


What your typical Cavs fan looks like: Link
 
2012-06-11 02:59:38 PM

Serges: I don't understand this post. You can say "It's farking sports for christ's sake" to anything by that mentality. Your team won a championship and you are jumping up and down and getting hammered, it's just sports for christ's sake! Yes, it is just sports. And people take them way too serious and have been for a century now, this is nothing new.


It's essentially a modern incarnation of the ancient concept of combat-by-champion. Our city/region/whatever can kick your city's ass, and to prove it, here's a group of people to represent us against your equivalent number. We'll let them fight it out and the rest of us can all walk away unscathed.
 
2012-06-11 02:59:58 PM

The_Sponge: fonebone77: Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive. Some people have said if the Thunder sucked we wouldn't be hearing anything about this. I don't think that is true. We'd be hearing Seattle fans gloating about how we are getting what we deserve. Kinda like how they did the first year. Don't worry, some day they wont be very good and you will get your chance. The Seahawks used to be a team I would go for if my team was failing, but not anymore, the combination of insults directed at Oklahoma and Pete Carroll have earned my ire for any Seattle team. Go Cardinals, Rams, 49ers! I hope Carroll screws you guys as bad as he did USC (without the championships). I dont really have to mention the Mariners (but I will), they always suck.

I'm sooooo sure that the Seahawks really miss your support, and that it upsets them to no end.


They do. I got a letter from Tavaris last week apologizing for sucking on yet another team I like.
 
2012-06-11 03:00:30 PM

Serges: I don't understand this post. You can say "It's farking sports for christ's sake" to anything by that mentality. Your team won a championship and you are jumping up and down and getting hammered, it's just sports for christ's sake! Yes, it is just sports. And people take them way too serious and have been for a century now, this is nothing new.


Yeah, but this is a level animosity directed at one person that's usually reserved for much greater offenses.
 
2012-06-11 03:01:56 PM

Yanks_RSJ: So, not only did LeBron basically save the Cavaliers franchise by his mere presence and role in taking them to the NBA Finals, but he was also responsible for maintaining the economy of an entire city?


In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea for city hall to routinely sign off on an Economic Revitalization Plan provided by the financial planning committee which consisted of simply one page with the word "LeBron" scribbled in magic marker.
 
2012-06-11 03:02:47 PM

jayhawk88: Serges: I normally really appreciate your posts, but the Cavs declining a Amar'e/ Hickson trade is flat out not true. Both the Suns and the Cavs have come out after the fact to confirm this.

What was the story on this then? Granted this has been a while ago by now, but the Amare trade was definitely out there and available at the time.


It was being tossed around during the extra hyped 2010 free agent deadline (probably given way more attention on ESPN's rumor mill), but Steve Kerr has said after the fact Hickson wasn't enough for Amare.
 
2012-06-11 03:03:01 PM

CavalierEternal: I'll say it one more time; it's real f*ckin' easy to say, "LOL QUIT WHINING GET OVER IT YOU'RE PATHETIC" when nothing like that has happened or will ever happened to you.

Consider it the childbirth of sports. You'll never have any idea how it feels, so stop pretending that you know how it feels and quit being pricks to the people who do.

If you'll excuse me, I have better things to do with my time, like trying to teach the neighbor's cat to speak Russian.


Did you just compare childbirth to something in sports...haha...wow...can someone post the captain laughing while say oh wow PLEASE.

You keep diggin that hole deeper ya.
 
2012-06-11 03:03:26 PM
i think this lebron hate and back and forth between CavalierEternal, gtfan92 et al. is getting us off the important topic billionaires who blackmail cities should farking die in a fire. those are the ones that literally are stealing from you. that's the enemy. lebron is just some dude that wanted to leave cleveland for miami (which most of us would have done too). of course wade is sort of douchetastic, but... none of them are stealing hundreds of millions from the public.
 
2012-06-11 03:03:44 PM

CavalierEternal: You mean aside from the obvious economic impact that the Cavaliers huge decrease in value has on Cleveland and the surrounding areas?


I did not consider that.

Serges: Yes, it is just sports. And people take them way too serious and have been for a century now, this is nothing new.


True.
 
2012-06-11 03:04:09 PM
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2012-06-11 03:04:27 PM

Killer Cars: Yanks_RSJ: So, not only did LeBron basically save the Cavaliers franchise by his mere presence and role in taking them to the NBA Finals, but he was also responsible for maintaining the economy of an entire city?

In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea for city hall to routinely sign off on an Economic Revitalization Plan provided by the financial planning committee which consisted of simply one page with the word "LeBron" scribbled in magic marker.


Damn it was a solid plan! I chuckled.
 
2012-06-11 03:06:55 PM

Serges: , but the Cavs declining a Amar'e/ Hickson trade is flat out not true. Both the Suns and the Cavs have come out after the fact to confirm this.


Serges: Steve Kerr has said after the fact Hickson wasn't enough for Amare



huh. when that fell through, the local guys said -- contrary to your posts -- it was in th emix, but the reason Hickson wasn't dealt was supposedly, he had become LeBron's boy off the court and LeBron didn't want him to go.

i don't know.

but they said LeBron effectively nixed that deal by saying Hickson was off limits.

*shrug*
 
2012-06-11 03:09:28 PM
A Fark Handle, that's kinda the point I'm trying to make. LeBron's hate is overblown, and the fact that the OKC bangwagon has become so large is just wrong.
 
2012-06-11 03:11:58 PM

Gosling: fonebone77: Yay. Another thread for Sonics fans to whine and blame Oklahoma for all their woes! I guess we can look forward to this for years to come as it looks like OKC will be pretty competitive

You can look forward to it for decades after the Thunder stop being competitive. Sports grudges can last a long, long time, especially in three specific cases:

*A city hijacking another city's team. If the move is a product of the kind of apathy that leads to 'save our team' rallies that draw maybe twelve people (Expos, Houston Oilers, Atlanta Thrashers), that's one thing. When the team is deemed stolen, though (Sonics, Brooklyn Dodgers, Baltimore Colts, Cleveland Browns 1.0)
*A championship stolen. Not 'disputed' or 'controversial'. Stolen. Pottsville Maroons-level stolen.
*The franchise's best-ever player shipped off for peanuts after you know how good he is but with enough time for him to come back and repeatedly pound the team that shipped him off (e.g. Babe Ruth).

You commit one of those three offenses, you can expect teenage fans to grow old and die still cursing your name. The Bidwell family still, to this day, steers clear of Pottsville, Pennsylvania. Clay Bennett can expect the same treatment in Seattle for the rest of his life.


Ill give ya one. It was crappy how it went down. OKC really didn't have a choice on going with the deal, if we had said no to the Thunder we would never have gotten a pro team of any sort other than maybe soccer or (blech) hockey. Bennett didnt steal the championship though. Durant was a no brainer. If Oden wasn't there that's who you drafted. Durants first year in OKC was hardly all roses either, he was a major work in progress. Bennett hired Presti who went after Ibaka/Westbrook/Harden and basically built this team from the ground up. This was a pretty crappy team the first year they were here. Me and my friend who have season tickets would cringe every time Johan Petro stepped on the court. I think Clay is open to some bashing for not being straight forward with his intentions, but he and Presti (and the removal of PJ Carlisimo) made this team what it is.
 
2012-06-11 03:12:57 PM

FreakinB: Supes: IAmRight: Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.

Really, no predictions?

For one, he did qualify it with "if we do it the right way." For two, it was a pep rally. The whole purpose of a pep rally is to say stuff like that so people get excited.


He also said that he wasn't "just blowing smoke at none of these fans." Somehow that statement isn't valid but the "if we do it the right way" one is. How interesting...
 
2012-06-11 03:13:41 PM

fonebone77: They do. I got a letter from Tavaris last week apologizing for sucking on yet another team I like.



That's nice. Chris Johnson has stunk up my fantasy team for two seasons, and I haven't even received an apology email.
 
2012-06-11 03:13:51 PM

funk_soul_bubby: Hey guys, buy this DVD. Only $9.99.


It's free online. Always has been.
 
2012-06-11 03:14:41 PM

CavalierEternal: And a Miami win would reward the sh*tbags who bail on their loyal fans to form Super Teams in an effort to win an easy championship instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.

Pick your poison.


I'm a little confused. I thought LeBron was a free agent when he signed with the Heat. And I was pretty sure that term meant "Free to sign with whatever team you want", not:

"You must re-sign on a terrible team with a stingy owner because the team's fans have some sort of delusional idea that you OWE it to them because they cheered for you and if you don't you are worse than Hitler"
 
2012-06-11 03:15:18 PM

fonebone77: Bennett hired Presti who went after Ibaka/Westbrook/Harden


I think this is often overlooked.
 
2012-06-11 03:16:25 PM

Serges: jayhawk88: Serges: I normally really appreciate your posts, but the Cavs declining a Amar'e/ Hickson trade is flat out not true. Both the Suns and the Cavs have come out after the fact to confirm this.

What was the story on this then? Granted this has been a while ago by now, but the Amare trade was definitely out there and available at the time.

It was being tossed around during the extra hyped 2010 free agent deadline (probably given way more attention on ESPN's rumor mill), but Steve Kerr has said after the fact Hickson wasn't enough for Amare.


Well no, but Cleveland had like $10 mil of expiring Big Z contract, and maybe someone else's, that ended up getting used for the Jamison deal. Plus didn't then end up using a first rounder in the Jamison deal?

Anyway, in my memory it was the Cav's not wanting to give up Hickson on any deal that was the breaker, but perhaps I'm mistaken. In the end it probably doesn't matter: Is a LeBron/Amare/Mo Williams/West/Shaq best-six good enough to take down the Celtics, Magic and Lakers that year? Jamison was pretty good for them in the playoffs that year, 15/7 and 47% FG shooting.
 
2012-06-11 03:19:38 PM

Magorn: CavalierEternal: And a Miami win would reward the sh*tbags who bail on their loyal fans to form Super Teams in an effort to win an easy championship instead of teams like the Thunder who draft well and build solid depth.

Pick your poison.

I'm a little confused. I thought LeBron was a free agent when he signed with the Heat. And I was pretty sure that term meant "Free to sign with whatever team you want", not:

"You must re-sign on a terrible team with a stingy owner because the team's fans have some sort of delusional idea that you OWE it to them because they cheered for you and if you don't you are worse than Hitler"


I'm going to regret taking this troll bait, but of all the hate you can pile on the Cavs organization, you can't call them a terrible team (best record for the last two years) and you can't call Gilbert stingy as the Cavs had either the third or fourth highest payroll in 2010. But as I said earlier, I can appreciate why people don't feel bad for us Cavs fans.
 
2012-06-11 03:19:53 PM

Doogled: FreakinB: Supes: IAmRight: Like they weren't going to make the playoffs unless all of them got injured. Also, direct quote "I believe we can win multiple championships if we do it the right way" No prediction, no guarantee of championships. Just a belief that it would happen. And it was a pep rally because Miami fans suck.

Really, no predictions?

For one, he did qualify it with "if we do it the right way." For two, it was a pep rally. The whole purpose of a pep rally is to say stuff like that so people get excited.

He also said that he wasn't "just blowing smoke at none of these fans." Somehow that statement isn't valid but the "if we do it the right way" one is. How interesting...


Fair enough. But still, it's a pep rally. Blowing smoke is the whole point.

And I've said this several times before about several athletes who said stuff like this l and I'll say it again: What the hell else are they supposed to think?
 
2012-06-11 03:20:28 PM

Killer Cars: Yanks_RSJ: So, not only did LeBron basically save the Cavaliers franchise by his mere presence and role in taking them to the NBA Finals, but he was also responsible for maintaining the economy of an entire city?

In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea for city hall to routinely sign off on an Economic Revitalization Plan provided by the financial planning committee which consisted of simply one page with the word "LeBron" scribbled in magic marker.


Pretty much, yeah.

i.huffpost.com

Make a man bigger than life, then act surprised when he acts like it.
 
2012-06-11 03:24:22 PM
Nobody farking roots for the management, they root for the players. I don't give a rat's farking ass about who "stole" what team from where, I'm rooting for the players.
 
2012-06-11 03:24:40 PM

FreakinB: And I've said this several times before about several athletes who said stuff like this l and I'll say it again: What the hell else are they supposed to think?


I had the same reaction to the Eli Manning Elite QB thing. What was he supposed to say?
 
2012-06-11 03:25:42 PM

jayhawk88: Anyway, in my memory it was the Cav's not wanting to give up Hickson on any deal that was the breaker, but perhaps I'm mistaken. I



yeah, the dreaded "sources close to the discussions that would not speak on the record" said, as I wrote above, LeBron Cleveland backed out due to the Hickson angle.

also, i forget if the trade was Amare for Jamison or whatever, but i recall it being a bit of a prolonged discussion and the Suns raising Hickson late in teh discussions, which led to nothing.

but the Suns had always had an eye on him. Hell the Suns almost drafted hickson. We took Lopez i think that year, but going in, there was a lot of talk that Hickson was a better fit. and then after Hickson was a FA, the Suns had supposedly approached him about coming here.

dunno.

short version: the suns always showed interest in hickson, no matter what steve kerr says.
 
2012-06-11 03:25:48 PM

Sargun: Nobody farking roots for the management, they root for the players. I don't give a rat's farking ass about who "stole" what team from where, I'm rooting for the players.


Most people root for the laundry, not the players.
 
2012-06-11 03:32:40 PM

IAmRight: Someone sounds bitter that the best day of his life over the past two years


Don't forget that he also won HOTY 2011, Sports Division.
 
2012-06-11 03:35:03 PM

The_Sponge: fonebone77: They do. I got a letter from Tavaris last week apologizing for sucking on yet another team I like.


That's nice. Chris Johnson has stunk up my fantasy team for two seasons, and I haven't even received an apology email.


If I ever see Chris Johnson in person, I am going to punch him in the face. Prison time would totally be worth it for what that worthless fark did to my team last year. Holy shiat do I hate that guy.
 
2012-06-11 03:37:05 PM

umad: The_Sponge: fonebone77: They do. I got a letter from Tavaris last week apologizing for sucking on yet another team I like.


That's nice. Chris Johnson has stunk up my fantasy team for two seasons, and I haven't even received an apology email.

If I ever see Chris Johnson in person, I am going to punch him in the face. Prison time would totally be worth it for what that worthless fark did to my team last year. Holy shiat do I hate that guy.


10 bucks on Johnson.
 
2012-06-11 03:39:13 PM

The1andonlyZack: umad: The_Sponge: fonebone77: They do. I got a letter from Tavaris last week apologizing for sucking on yet another team I like.


That's nice. Chris Johnson has stunk up my fantasy team for two seasons, and I haven't even received an apology email.

If I ever see Chris Johnson in person, I am going to punch him in the face. Prison time would totally be worth it for what that worthless fark did to my team last year. Holy shiat do I hate that guy.

10 bucks on Johnson.


I wouldn't have anything to worry about. He would just trip and fall on his face after about two yards if he tried to chase me.
 
2012-06-11 03:55:08 PM

fonebone77: OKC really didn't have a choice on going with the deal, if we had said no to the Thunder we would never have gotten a pro team of any sort other than maybe soccer or (blech) hockey.


I wouldn't be so sure about that. Oklahoma City did really well when they rented the Hornets. You made a good case for yourself. But the Sonics were not the right team to take. The Bobcats would have been an infinitely better choice. Hell, we could have given you the Bucks if you wanted them. We're pretty deep in the 'miniscule save-our-team rally' category up here.
 
2012-06-11 04:07:14 PM

rickythepenguin: care to explain? i've never heard anything bad or whatever about that.

(or good, for that matter...i just flat don't know what you're talking about).



He kicked in only 24 million for the stadium (funds were raised through the lottery, which typically go to schools), yet was allowed to collect all stadium, concession, and parking revenues. Pretty sweet deal wouldn't you say? Baltimore is not very good at this shiat I must say - they let the Orioles walk on around 1,000,000 in back rent...

http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2010/07/14/maryland-taxpa y ers-losing-money-stadium-deals
 
2012-06-11 04:18:33 PM

Gunny Highway: Sargun: Nobody farking roots for the management, they root for the players. I don't give a rat's farking ass about who "stole" what team from where, I'm rooting for the players.

Most people root for the laundry, not the players.


You dont see many owners suiting up in the laundry either.

F*ck LeBron James no matter whose laundry he wears
 
2012-06-11 04:21:21 PM

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: Gilbert reacted to the way he left like the rest of us.

Like a bunch of pathetic losers who felt that someone you didn't know "owed you," I'm aware.

So if LeBron does tell Gilbert that he plans on leaving after the season (of course, it's mere conjecture that he knew at this point), what options does that open up for Cleveland?

a) they can tank the season to spite LeBron - not sure you'd notice much of a difference, given that roster/coach
b) they can trade LeBron midseason wherever they want (he'd have to have publicly claimed that he wasn't coming back, or else there's no way anyone's trading the best player in the league mid-season)
c) they can just force LeBron to stay all year and try to win a title anyway, but do it with everyone in the city hating him and threatening his family for 50+ home games

Yeah, that sounds like a real win-win for LeBron.

The basic question is: how much loyalty does one owe to a former employer? You seem to think that people should put their employers' interests ahead of their own, which shows an obscene lack of awareness regarding professional sports.

Fark's biggest LeBron James apologist, everyone.

Anyone who disagrees with LeBron James' decision is a pathetic loser and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference if a team that won over 60 games in 2009 were to tank the season.

Such is the logic of IAmRight.


And what are you? I note you didn't answer his extremely valid points. Moreover You seem to be a little confused yourself: On the one hand you say LeBron is a combination of nearly every awful personality trait imaginable : narcississtic, selfish, imature, dishonest, etc etc, and yet you are DEEPLY ANGRY he doesn't play for your favorite team anymore.
 
2012-06-11 04:21:43 PM

JohnBigBootay: He kicked in only 24 million for the stadium (funds were raised through the lottery, which typically go to schools), yet was allowed to collect all stadium, concession, and parking revenues. Pretty sweet deal wouldn't you say?



huh. didn't know that.
 
2012-06-11 04:39:38 PM

cptjeff: Can't we all just agree that the NBA is and is full of trash; players, owners, and management?


No hockey fan, we can't. NBA players are the best athletes in any North American sport.
 
2012-06-11 04:40:49 PM
Cleveland can find a replacement for LeBron, seeing as how they still have a f*cking team.

I hope David Stern and Clay Bennett choke on eachother's dicks and die when they're 69ing in the luxury boxes during Game 1.
 
2012-06-11 04:46:45 PM

rickythepenguin: JohnBigBootay: He kicked in only 24 million for the stadium (funds were raised through the lottery, which typically go to schools), yet was allowed to collect all stadium, concession, and parking revenues. Pretty sweet deal wouldn't you say?


huh. didn't know that.


Yeah. I read too much about this shiat. You see some of those deals they get and you're like, "wow, I should go start a business in the downtown core. I'd get all these subsidies and they'd actually pay me to create great jobs for my community". Then you're all like, "whoops - I forgot - those deals are reserved for billionaires who own sports teams!" And god bless them - they need our help. You don't think Seahawk/Trailblazer owner Paul Allen (20th richest man in the US) could build a stadium without public help do you? What ever would the local economy do without those eight home games a year...

In my opinion, the sweetheart deals should be reserved for office and industrial parks and infrastructure upgrades that lead to REAL jobs. Not peanut sales.
 
2012-06-11 04:50:45 PM

mentallo69: seumasokelly: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155865/77414751#c77414751" target="_blank">mentallo69</a>:</b> <i>[www.tas-sel.org image 264x225]

[www.parkcityfilmseries.com image 348x210]

Go get your facts straight. Seattle was robbed by a rich man who wanted to have his toy and take it home. This is a fact that cannot be denied.</i>

Well, that's half the story. The other half is that our own elected officials screwed the pooch hard.

All the supportive loyal fans lost all together. You took a 40 year old team out of the 13 largest market and with a very supportive fan base, all of which had no say what so ever in building a new arena.

Enemy list: Schultz, Bennett, Stern, Nickels and Gregoire

I for one, will never support the NBA if Stern is still the commish. I dont care if we get the Sonics back. Stern is an evil, lying twisted fark.


You're not kidding about Stern. Evil is as evil does.
 
2012-06-11 05:00:02 PM

Gosling: fonebone77: OKC really didn't have a choice on going with the deal, if we had said no to the Thunder we would never have gotten a pro team of any sort other than maybe soccer or (blech) hockey.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Oklahoma City did really well when they rented the Hornets. You made a good case for yourself. But the Sonics were not the right team to take. The Bobcats would have been an infinitely better choice. Hell, we could have given you the Bucks if you wanted them. We're pretty deep in the 'miniscule save-our-team rally' category up here.


I agree that maybe they werent the "right" team to take, I'm saying if we had passed on them we likely would have received no more offers. The city had to do some things to show we were willing to take on an NBA team. If we had said no, I think the NBA wouldn't have taken us seriously in the future. Or the arena we have would have been too dated by the time another team went up on the block. That's obviously speculation, but getting teams is as much a matter of timing as it is will. Kansas City built a pretty awesome arena, but the cards never fell into place for them to get a team.
 
2012-06-11 05:07:34 PM

JohnBigBootay: rickythepenguin: JohnBigBootay: He kicked in only 24 million for the stadium (funds were raised through the lottery, which typically go to schools), yet was allowed to collect all stadium, concession, and parking revenues. Pretty sweet deal wouldn't you say?


huh. didn't know that.

Yeah. I read too much about this shiat. You see some of those deals they get and you're like, "wow, I should go start a business in the downtown core. I'd get all these subsidies and they'd actually pay me to create great jobs for my community". Then you're all like, "whoops - I forgot - those deals are reserved for billionaires who own sports teams!" And god bless them - they need our help. You don't think Seahawk/Trailblazer owner Paul Allen (20th richest man in the US) could build a stadium without public help do you? What ever would the local economy do without those eight home games a year...

In my opinion, the sweetheart deals should be reserved for office and industrial parks and infrastructure upgrades that lead to REAL jobs. Not peanut sales.


IIRC, Paul Allen 'threatened' to build his own field for the Seahawks. When the city/state realized they'd only get property tax revenue from it, they found the money.

I think the public portion of the money should come from team oriented license plates. Want to support the (insert team name)'s new stadium? Get a plate. Make the 'public' funding completely voulentary.
 
2012-06-11 05:19:50 PM

JamUhn: CavalierEternal: When Josh Smith develops into a LeBron-level talent, drags your team along with a game of "Will I, Won't I?" for a year, goes on national TV interviews dropping hints that Atlanta is still in the lead to re-sign him and then goes in ESPN in primetime to let the entire world know that he's going to play for the Magic, check back with me and let me know how you feel about Josh Smith.

So you are saying that LeBron's fault is that he is too good, wasn't sure where he wanted to be, and then decided that where you live wasn't the right place for him to live? Sorry, but you just come off sounding like a spoiled kid crying about the candy his mom took away.

LeBron doesn't owe anything to you or to Cleveland to be honest. You want him to be some noble white knight or something from the movies. This is reality, the dude wants to win a championship. He didn't think it would happen there, so he moved on.


It's kinda funny. LeBron handled his final year under contract with the Cavs far better than any number of other guys: He shut up, played out his contract and then signed somewhere else. He didn't demand a trade while under contract (like say, Melo or Chris Paul, the former having a list of 1 teams he would be willing to commit to resigning with after the trade), constantly going back and forth or whether or not he was staying (like Dwight Howard), or otherwise act in a way that was a disruption to his team or teammates.

The list of people who handled their contracts over the years with less respect and professionalism than LeBron is *huge*. Everyone from Kobe to Shaq, to Kareem have treated their teams with more demands than LeBron ever has.
 
2012-06-11 05:28:45 PM

iron_city_ap: JohnBigBootay: rickythepenguin: JohnBigBootay: He kicked in only 24 million for the stadium (funds were raised through the lottery, which typically go to schools), yet was allowed to collect all stadium, concession, and parking revenues. Pretty sweet deal wouldn't you say?


huh. didn't know that.

Yeah. I read too much about this shiat. You see some of those deals they get and you're like, "wow, I should go start a business in the downtown core. I'd get all these subsidies and they'd actually pay me to create great jobs for my community". Then you're all like, "whoops - I forgot - those deals are reserved for billionaires who own sports teams!" And god bless them - they need our help. You don't think Seahawk/Trailblazer owner Paul Allen (20th richest man in the US) could build a stadium without public help do you? What ever would the local economy do without those eight home games a year...

In my opinion, the sweetheart deals should be reserved for office and industrial parks and infrastructure upgrades that lead to REAL jobs. Not peanut sales.

IIRC, Paul Allen 'threatened' to build his own field for the Seahawks. When the city/state realized they'd only get property tax revenue from it, they found the money.

I think the public portion of the money should come from team oriented license plates. Want to support the (insert team name)'s new stadium? Get a plate. Make the 'public' funding completely voulentary.


I know that people say you never make money on arenas, and Ill be honest in that I dont have hard numbers to back it up, but OKC has done pretty well. To start with the arena was multi-purpose built. It hosts other sporting events and concerts etc. all of which the city gets a cut of. The arena itself employees quite a few people. The Thunder organization employees well over a hundred people. Not to mention the income tax on the players huge salaries which by itself is several million a year. Our downtown's re-invigoration was already ongoing, but the team coming in gave it a huge kick in the pants. There have been multiple new hotels employing hundreds built and also bringing in tax dollars on people staying in them. So far the total bill on the stadium with original build and renovations is at around 250 million. We were going to build that arena regardless of whether we got an NBA franchise because our old public arena was very outdated (think high school gym). The main concession we gave to the Thunder was the promise to do about another 100 million in renovations. It seems to have been a pretty wise investment so far.
 
2012-06-11 05:28:46 PM

Neeek: (like say, Melo or Chris Paul, the former having a list of 1 teams he would be willing to commit to resigning with after the trade)



i'm not even a Nugs fan but the way he handled that pissed me off. he yammered on and on and on and on about how much he loved NYC and his wife wanted to move back (she's nuyorican) to work on her entertainment career, and while he was upfront about not signing the Nugs' offer, he held a gun to their head about the Knicks.

and then he got his wish, and seeing him suck in NYC makes me happy. all that Linsanity crap, I loved that. I'm not saying Melo is a bad guy but yeah, that made me happy. the knicks -- just like denver after he left -- were a better team without Melo.
 
2012-06-11 06:16:17 PM
The "good vs evil" story? Where have I heard of that before? Oh yes, the other Predetermined psuedo-sport.
 
2012-06-11 06:23:34 PM
Tonight, TNA will mark their tenth anniversary with Slammiversary X. And to celebrate their first decade, they will feature WWE Intercontinental Champion, Christian. Subby doesn't understand it either, but it starts at 8 PM on PPV (1286)

I'm amazed at the numbers that other sports draw on Fark threads. I wonder what the NBA Finals will draw--minus the outliers, of course.
 
2012-06-11 06:32:30 PM

mentallo69: I for one, will never support the NBA if Stern is still the commish. I dont care if we get the Sonics back. Stern is an evil, lying twisted fark.


Same. Stern has decided that the NBA's future lies in one horse towns that he can extort dry because there's nothing else going on there. fark him and fark the NBA until he's gone.
 
2012-06-11 06:35:28 PM
Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......
 
2012-06-11 06:36:45 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder what the NBA Finals will draw--minus the outliers, of course.


~600 posts probably, but not sure why people care.
 
2012-06-11 06:39:16 PM

basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......


It's like you don't even read the posts or something.
 
2012-06-11 06:43:03 PM

basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......


yep you do. but of course to get it you had to agree to stern/clay being able to stick it anywhere they wanted, fark whoever they like on the side, and on occasion when they're drunk on power they might be beat you (really it's only because they just care so damn much). but you know in your heart of hearts they are really great guys and if you didn't let him do whatever they wanted they might leave you. so yeah, you got a team...enjoy it until they leave you.
 
2012-06-11 06:46:25 PM

TheJoe03: basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......

It's like you don't even read the posts or something.


Heh, it's like you didn't realize that insults on Fark usually get answered in kind.

/welcome to Fark
 
2012-06-11 06:50:54 PM

basemetal: TheJoe03: basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......

It's like you don't even read the posts or something.

Heh, it's like you didn't realize that insults on Fark usually get answered in kind.

/welcome to Fark


Yeah, cause I'm such a noob around here. You can insult the guy back I guess, but you still can't actually make any good arguments. It least his insult was wrapped within a good argument.
 
2012-06-11 06:54:35 PM
Glad to see the prime financier of the thievery is getting his though. He's lost most of his personal fortune and he's had to lawyer up because the IRS and SEC are breathing down his neck and he's about to lose his job. Turns out he's been doing to Chesapeake what he did with Seattle, but this time he's going to pay. Karma's a biatch.

I'd root for the same to happen to Clay but he was playing around with his wife's money to begin with lol
 
2012-06-11 07:02:40 PM

TheJoe03: basemetal: TheJoe03: basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......

It's like you don't even read the posts or something.

Heh, it's like you didn't realize that insults on Fark usually get answered in kind.

/welcome to Fark

Yeah, cause I'm such a noob around here. You can insult the guy back I guess, but you still can't actually make any good arguments. It least his insult was wrapped within a good argument.


What argument, that he'll never support the NBA while Stern is the commish? Good for those people, but don't expect a team if you don't support them......
 
2012-06-11 07:05:08 PM
basemetal is the unfortunate stereotype(?) of OKC residents personified in posting form
 
2012-06-11 07:26:00 PM

basemetal: Good for those people, but don't expect a team if you don't support them....


So you really don't read the posts. The argument is that Stern is going to use small market towns without teams and pit them against major markets with multiple teams and see which one buys them a shiny new arena. Of course OKC will put more resources in a team, they don't have to support any other teams. That was the obvious point that flew over your head.
 
2012-06-11 07:28:14 PM

basemetal: don't expect a team if you don't support them......


Pretty asinine to claim people in Seattle don't support the Sonics. Maybe OKC fans being so new and naive makes them an unlikable franchise, never heard so much ignorance from an NBA fanbase.
 
2012-06-11 07:34:58 PM
Fark Seattle and their fair-weather fans in that foul-weather city.

Get over it. You have your Soccer team now!
 
2012-06-11 07:46:39 PM

TheJoe03: basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......

It's like you don't even read the posts or something.


He doesn't....like when he accused me of applauding the OKC Bombing when I just said how I wished that Clay Bennett had died that day.
 
2012-06-11 07:47:08 PM

basemetal: What argument, that he'll never support the NBA while Stern is the commish? Good for those people, but don't expect a team if you don't support them......


Y'know, knowing that either you or our resident Lebron shill will have a sad once all is said and done kinda mellows my feelings on the whole thing.

Throw in the Bobcats and Wiz fumbling MKG or Beal into our laps and it'll be a very happy summer.
 
2012-06-11 07:52:05 PM

basemetal: TheJoe03: basemetal: TheJoe03: basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......

It's like you don't even read the posts or something.

Heh, it's like you didn't realize that insults on Fark usually get answered in kind.

/welcome to Fark

Yeah, cause I'm such a noob around here. You can insult the guy back I guess, but you still can't actually make any good arguments. It least his insult was wrapped within a good argument.

What argument, that he'll never support the NBA while Stern is the commish? Good for those people, but don't expect a team if you don't support them......


How can we support the NBA while he is in charge and his lemon party buddy Clay is on the relocation committee?
 
2012-06-11 08:10:39 PM
THREAD CLIFF NOTES

1) The only people who feel this way live in Seattle

2) The only people who like Lebron & co. live in Miami

3) Everyone else wants the Heat to get beat like the proverbial NBA red-headed stepchild
 
2012-06-11 08:17:21 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: THREAD CLIFF NOTES

1) The only people who feel this way live in Seattle

2) The only people who like Lebron & co. live in Miami

3) Everyone else wants the Heat to get beat like the proverbial NBA red-headed stepchild


As a former Suns fan, I would like to see James Harden kick Miami's ass. I love counting up the number of former Suns in the playoffs. I'm so glad the Suns ownership could save so much money by hiring Nash and surrounding him with a different set of players each seaons
 
2012-06-11 08:23:57 PM

TheJoe03: basemetal: Good for those people, but don't expect a team if you don't support them....

So you really don't read the posts. The argument is that Stern is going to use small market towns without teams and pit them against major markets with multiple teams and see which one buys them a shiny new arena. Of course OKC will put more resources in a team, they don't have to support any other teams. That was the obvious point that flew over your head.


No, that point is very well taken. The sad thing is, of the three teams you had, you gave your best, the least amount of upkeep. And then your peeps blame everybody else when you lose them......when the NBA told you it would happen. Your fans can call us hayseeds, one horse towns, backwoods, whatever on the message boards, but the fact is, it's your own state and city's fault. (and your elected officials and voters and Shultz......)

/by the way, even Tulsa has a better arena
 
2012-06-11 08:24:48 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: As a former Suns fan, I would like to see James Harden kick Miami's ass. I love counting up the number of former Suns in the playoffs


Ummm Harden never played for the Suns, so that's weird. (I mean, he went to ASU so it's the right region, just weird to go on the Suns tangent).

/would've been fine with the Spurs winning just because then Diaw would've had a ring
 
2012-06-11 08:30:17 PM

basemetal: The sad thing is, of the three teams you had, you gave your best, the least amount of upkeep


First of all, TheJoe03 is a former Texan who is a Mavs and Cowboys fan and lives in the Bay Area - none of those are "his" teams. You'd know this if you weren't busy trolling everything.

Second of all, the Sonics had their own place and a $100 million renovation (roughly what OKC spent to go from "league minimum requirements" to "oh sh*t we can actually get a team" mode on their arena) which Stern praised as "one of the best in the league" in '96. In 10 years it went from one of the best in the league to a horrible dump that needed to be replaced? Yeah, right. It didn't have a Metrodome-like roof collapse. KeyArena was fine, but Bennett wanted to take a team to his home state and David Stern, as his friend, hooked him up. Stern gave the introduction speech to Bennett making the OK Sports HoF shortly after the deal.
 
2012-06-11 08:33:34 PM
IAmRight:

would've been fine with the Spurs winning just because then Diaw would've had a ring

www.handofgod.com.au

/ end.of.days
 
2012-06-11 08:42:46 PM

rickythepenguin: but they said LeBron effectively nixed that deal by saying Hickson was off limits.


This makes it harder to respect the Cavs' organization - can't man up for their own errors, blame the guy who already left the company. And even if he said he didn't want it - since when the f*ck do you care? Winning makes people happy, you do what it takes to win, not what you think will pacify someone and make them like you.

jayhawk88: Jamison was pretty good for them in the playoffs that year, 15/7 and 47% FG shooting.


That's good for a No. 3/No. 4 guy, not a No. 2 guy.

Killer Cars: In retrospect, it probably wasn't a good idea for city hall to routinely sign off on an Economic Revitalization Plan provided by the financial planning committee which consisted of simply one page with the word "LeBron" scribbled in magic marker.


No wonder the Cavs got upset in the playoffs! They stole Mike Brown's offensive game plan!

CavalierEternal: IAmRight: CavalierEternal: so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves.

Funny how you said that in his eyes, it was all about him, then you pretend it was all about you.

When the f*ck did I say it was all about us? All I said was that he f*cking humiliated us on national TV. He did this while being a narcissistic sh*t sandwich. There's not any contradiction there.


"He had a special so that he could essentially tell our team and all of our fans to go f*ck ourselves"

I dunno, what part of that DOESN'T sound like you think it was all about you? Even YOU left Cleveland because there's no reason anyone would want to stay there.
 
2012-06-11 08:44:04 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: [www.handofgod.com.au image 640x415]


Sh*t, if the Suns don't want to try to win, why should I care about them anymore? I root for excellence to be achieved and rewarded in sport.
 
2012-06-11 08:44:58 PM

basemetal: The sad thing is, of the three teams you had, you gave your best, the least amount of upkeep.


I am not a Seattle citizen or sports fan, I support Dallas teams.
 
2012-06-11 08:47:08 PM

TheJoe03: I support Dallas teams.


I do too on occasion.
 
2012-06-11 08:56:50 PM

BigJake: basemetal is the unfortunate stereotype(?) of OKC residents personified in posting form


What, of taking up for the state? Yeah, you'll find a lot of us like that, but you go ahead and call us one horse towns and whatever if it makes you feel better.

/don't live in OKC or the metro area
 
2012-06-11 10:10:21 PM

basemetal: TheJoe03: I support Dallas teams.

I do too on occasion.


Nobody cares.
 
2012-06-11 10:26:08 PM

Kurmudgeon: It's what they do.
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Funny, you farking twat, the head ref in SB XL actually went to the VMAC and apologized to the team for farking them in the SB. Most of the nation who doesn't suck Steeler cock knows they got robbed. As for the Sonics- they got farked too. They were lied to. If Schultz had been honest and wanted to keep them there, he would've sold to a local owner, not an owner who resided in a state who just lost a team they had fostered. It's not like there aren't enough people in the greater Seattle region who can afford it.

/Not in Washington but am so goddamn farking sick of the mental midgets who have an east coast bias.
//Sonicsgate, yo.
 
2012-06-11 11:10:24 PM

IAmRight: Mike Brown's


i had gone a couple weeks without thinking that mans name. stay on Lebron and the Cavs. now i have a sad for next year

"hey, Pau, the guy that many experts called the most skilled big in the league...ya, we're taking you out of the post. oh, and i am going to run you and Kobe ragged even though you've both played at a high level for most of your life *including FIBA. oh, and that system that has worked and our star player has mostly played in? gone. it's replaced."
"with what?"
"um, let's just say the offense is gone"

ok, feel better now. go Fisher! (if he wouldn't be in it, i may have to root for...Reilly? wow, this is going to be a hard series to root for =)
 
2012-06-11 11:11:41 PM
I pray for the day that Seattle gets another NBA team so they can STFU already.

Stop saying they stole the team, Clay bought it and if he wants to take it somewhere where so he can make a profit so be it.

Fact, no local owners wanted anything to do with the Sonics when they went up for sale because they were a money pit. What smart business man wants to invest millions in product that's going to end up costing him money? Not Clay or anyone else.

If you guys want a team so bad take a page from Greenbay WI and make it publicly owned team.

There is no "evil" on either team, they're just a bunch of overpaid athletes that dribble a ball for our entertainment.

Thunder up!
Beat the Heat!
Fear the Beard!
 
2012-06-11 11:49:50 PM
In the good vs evil story of the NBA Finals, the media has wrongly painted Miami the villain.

LeBron James put it on himself to not learn about Cleveland's history when it comes to people that leave under disrespectful terms. You don't get considered as persona non grata in Cleveland for just leaving - you get it for how you left.
 
2012-06-11 11:59:51 PM

TheJoe03: basemetal: TheJoe03: basemetal: Heh, our one horse town has your team, go figure......

It's like you don't even read the posts or something.

Heh, it's like you didn't realize that insults on Fark usually get answered in kind.

/welcome to Fark

Yeah, cause I'm such a noob around here. You can insult the guy back I guess, but you still can't actually make any good arguments. It least his insult was wrapped within a good argument.


BigJake: Glad to see the prime financier of the thievery is getting his though. He's lost most of his personal fortune and he's had to lawyer up because the IRS and SEC are breathing down his neck and he's about to lose his job. Turns out he's been doing to Chesapeake what he did with Seattle, but this time he's going to pay. Karma's a biatch.

I'd root for the same to happen to Clay but he was playing around with his wife's money to begin with lol


Its just the crappy "my town is so important and yours is so provincial" part of your argument that sucks balls. We get it. Seattle invented grunge and annoying coffee shops on every corner filled with hipsters. Your contribution to america far exceeds ours. Congratulations!
 
2012-06-12 12:04:14 AM

TheJoe03: So you really don't read the posts. The argument is that Stern is going to use small market towns without teams and pit them against major markets with multiple teams and see which one buys them a shiny new arena. Of course OKC will put more resources in a team, they don't have to support any other teams. That was the obvious point that flew over your head.


Thank you for setting this dude straight while I was gone
 
2012-06-12 12:13:00 AM

basemetal: you gave your best, the least amount of upkeep.


AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT REPEATEDLY Seattle gave them an essentially new arena not ten years before this went down.

basemetal: What, of taking up for the state?


No, of being dumb as a post. Having to have an elementary concept explained to you three (or was it more?) times before you finally got the point and responded to it (quoted above.) THAT stereotype.

Dookie-chute: Stop saying they stole the team, Clay bought it and if he wants to take it somewhere where so he can make a profit so be it.


Of course he can. No one said he couldn't. He lied, to the city and to the previous owner. Lied, lied, lied. So did Aubrey McClendon, and the NBA fined him $50k for admitting it.

They were stolen.

fonebone77: Its just the crappy "my town is so important and yours is so provincial" part of your argument that sucks balls. We get it. Seattle invented grunge and annoying coffee shops on every corner filled with hipsters. Your contribution to america far exceeds ours. Congratulations!


I can totally understand how taking pleasure in Liar McClendon's sitch would lead to a reply like this. How's your inferiority complex?
 
2012-06-12 12:14:04 AM

JamUhn: LeBron doesn't owe anything to you or to Cleveland to be honest. You want him to be some noble white knight or something from the movies. This is reality, the dude wants to win a championship. He didn't think it would happen there, so he moved on.


Fine. As long as he accepts that he (and anyone who accompanies him):

• travels to, through, over, or near Cleveland (land, air, or water) at his own risk
• is/are "in season" should he/they be within Cuyahoga or the surrounding counties in the Cleveland metropolitan area. Pardons, if possible, will be given to any felons that participate.
• will not be able to press charges for any Ohioan interacting with James has immunity from prosecution.

If he wishes for that to change, he must be willing to do the following:

• Apologize to the city of Cleveland, especially the Cavaliers fans, in a sincere and meaningful manner.
• Pay the city restitution by giving half of the value of any championship proceeds to the city and half to the team he left.
• Be willing to sign on for any contract for the Cavaliers for a term equivalent to his time absent from Cleveland.
 
2012-06-12 12:33:07 AM

fonebone77: Its just the crappy "my town is so important and yours is so provincial" part of your argument that sucks balls. We get it. Seattle invented grunge and annoying coffee shops on every corner filled with hipsters. Your contribution to america far exceeds ours. Congratulations!



I see that it was all too convenient of you to forget Boeing, Microsoft, Amazon.com, and Costco.
 
2012-06-12 12:37:16 AM
No one brought up LBJ and Wade laughing at Dirk in the finals last year? Is it possible to respect someone who does that kind of stuff? Mocking the haters is one thing, it shows that he was angry, which happens to nearly everyone, no big deal; not having respect for your opponent is pretty weak and is what continues to drive people away from him.

The Decision was two years, even Cleveland fans were starting to lay off, but after last years finals and aftermath, he shouldn't get a pass just yet, not until he leaves it all on the court. The fans make him bigger than the game, we're the ones bringing it off of the court, but what would he be if it weren't for the fans? The game is inevitably about us, and me specifically, I've chosen not to give him/the NBA the money because I don't respect the guy.
 
2012-06-12 01:16:47 AM
If Seattle wants a team, they can have the Suns. But they have to take the owners too.
 
2012-06-12 01:23:51 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: If Seattle wants a team, they can have the Suns. But they have to take the owners too.



Toss in the gorilla and you might have a deal.
 
2012-06-12 01:35:34 AM

veedeevadeevoodee: THREAD CLIFF NOTES

1) The only people who feel this way live in Seattle

2) The only people who like Lebron & co. live in Miami

3) Everyone else wants the Heat to get beat like the proverbial NBA red-headed stepchild


AKA: americans distracted by celeb culture of like/dislike of a managed media event of limited significance while the well connected loot the public coffers during an era when public funds are supposedly scarce...
 
2012-06-12 03:42:11 AM

FreakinB: gtfan92: And yes, I actually agree with IAmRight. The Decision was bad in that it looked extremely arrogant. (of course, the populace seems to revel in the arrogance of Kobe and Jordan) However, some good came out of it in the form of donations to charity. It's not as bad as a team having it's city taken from them. (and as an Atlanta hockey fan, I know that sucks. Twice as much.)

I didn't like The Decision. It was a bad idea. However, it was a freaking PR mistake, not a crime. Really nobody was harmed except for LeBron. It's crazy to me that we're here two years later and people are still *this* worked up about it, especially given that LeBron hasn't done anything particularly bad since.


I just found I enjoy disliking LeBron. For some reason I do that. I didnt like Gretzky or Lemieux, Brett Farve, Emmitt Smith, T.O., Jordan or Bird. All those guys were amazing athletes and I liked watching them play but I almost always rooted against them. Maybe I watched too much wrestling as a kid and need heels to despise.
 
2012-06-12 09:22:28 AM
David Stern is one lightning strike and an asthmatic sidekick away from being Emperor Palpatine.
 
2012-06-12 09:29:29 AM

DoctorRock: goddamn.....i dislike lebron but i farking hate you.......farking bootlicker


Thank you for your useless, impotent comment.
 
2012-06-12 10:37:33 AM
Sonic fans are just butthurt over the fact that their NBA team is better when it's not actually in Seattle.

Maybe the rest of your teams could follow suit and go win a Superbowl/world series if they were located in "subpar" cities.

Thunder up!
Beat the heat!
 
2012-06-12 01:19:45 PM

A Fark Handle: veedeevadeevoodee: americans distracted by celeb culture of like/dislike of a managed media event of limited significance while the well connected loot the public coffers during an era when public funds are supposedly scarce...


Elitist snobbery on Fark? Say it aint so! Stop liking what I don't like? I think its time for someone to get back to saving the world by sitting on a park bench while reading some Chomsky.
 
2012-06-12 01:29:29 PM

Dookie-chute: Maybe the rest of your teams could follow suit and go win a Superbowl/world series if they were located in "subpar" cities.


Right, it's the town that's making them successful. Just like those legendarily fantastic Miami fans are the reason the Heat keep making the Finals.
 
2012-06-12 01:42:09 PM

fonebone77: A Fark Handle: veedeevadeevoodee: americans distracted by celeb culture of like/dislike of a managed media event of limited significance while the well connected loot the public coffers during an era when public funds are supposedly scarce...

Elitist snobbery on Fark? Say it aint so! Stop liking what I don't like? I think its time for someone to get back to saving the world by sitting on a park bench while reading some Chomsky.


how's that elitist snobbery? i've hated on lebron, i've followed that soap opera. i just think maybe folks should pay attention to the blackmail and extortion game the nba likes to play. after all, i keep hearing how broke america is, but yet if it's for a sports arena, sure go ahead have a billion. it's just not where i would spend my last billion...and for reason lost on me a free agent moving to miami is more vilified than a city having their team stolen through mob strong arm tactics and looting of okc's public moneys.

/and way to avoid the point and go with personal attacks as a response. clearly you're a master debater.
 
2012-06-12 02:02:37 PM

A Fark Handle: fonebone77: A Fark Handle: veedeevadeevoodee: americans distracted by celeb culture of like/dislike of a managed media event of limited significance while the well connected loot the public coffers during an era when public funds are supposedly scarce...

Elitist snobbery on Fark? Say it aint so! Stop liking what I don't like? I think its time for someone to get back to saving the world by sitting on a park bench while reading some Chomsky.

how's that elitist snobbery? i've hated on lebron, i've followed that soap opera. i just think maybe folks should pay attention to the blackmail and extortion game the nba likes to play. after all, i keep hearing how broke america is, but yet if it's for a sports arena, sure go ahead have a billion. it's just not where i would spend my last billion...and for reason lost on me a free agent moving to miami is more vilified than a city having their team stolen through mob strong arm tactics and looting of okc's public moneys.

/and way to avoid the point and go with personal attacks as a response. clearly you're a master debater.


Just because you insult an entire city doesn't make it not personal to those whole live in the city. This was hardly looting a bunch of yokels, this was passed through a public county vote. We knew exactly what we were getting in to and it is paying off dividends now. Our inner city is in a continued renaissance which has benefited us in many ways. The NBA franchise has just been a small part of that improvement. 15 years ago our inner city was a trashed out hole where no one wanted to be after 6 PM. Once again, that stadium was getting built with or without an NBA team. As evidenced by the fact that it was built before we even had an inkling we might be looking at getting an NBA team (the Hornets things was a bit of serendipity.) The city still owns the stadium by the way.

What the Thunder got was an upgrade (about 100 mil. which was once again part of a public vote) and the naming rights to the stadium. We aren't in quite as dire a situation as you are indicating financially either. OKC's unemployment rate is 4.5%. That is basically at saturation. The cities revenues have been pretty consistent during the financial crisis. The state has been having issues, but this wasn't paid for by the state. The insinuation that we as a city approached this blindly or with false hopes is ridiculous and is a disservice to the work and effort that has gone into rebuilding our inner city. The Thunder deal was relatively small potatoes in comparison to how much we have invested over the last 20 years (about 3 billion so far with another billion over a 7 year period that started in 2010).
 
2012-06-12 02:42:24 PM

fonebone77: A Fark Handle: fonebone77: A Fark Handle: veedeevadeevoodee: americans distracted by celeb culture of like/dislike of a managed media event of limited significance while the well connected loot the public coffers during an era when public funds are supposedly scarce...

Elitist snobbery on Fark? Say it aint so! Stop liking what I don't like? I think its time for someone to get back to saving the world by sitting on a park bench while reading some Chomsky.

how's that elitist snobbery? i've hated on lebron, i've followed that soap opera. i just think maybe folks should pay attention to the blackmail and extortion game the nba likes to play. after all, i keep hearing how broke america is, but yet if it's for a sports arena, sure go ahead have a billion. it's just not where i would spend my last billion...and for reason lost on me a free agent moving to miami is more vilified than a city having their team stolen through mob strong arm tactics and looting of okc's public moneys.

/and way to avoid the point and go with personal attacks as a response. clearly you're a master debater.

Just because you insult an entire city doesn't make it not personal to those whole live in the city. This was hardly looting a bunch of yokels, this was passed through a public county vote. We knew exactly what we were getting in to and it is paying off dividends now. Our inner city is in a continued renaissance which has benefited us in many ways. The NBA franchise has just been a small part of that improvement. 15 years ago our inner city was a trashed out hole where no one wanted to be after 6 PM. Once again, that stadium was getting built with or without an NBA team. As evidenced by the fact that it was built before we even had an inkling we might be looking at getting an NBA team (the Hornets things was a bit of serendipity.) The city still owns the stadium by the way.

What the Thunder got was an upgrade (about 100 mil. which was once again part of a public vote) and th ...


but that's the myth. you're confusing correlation and causation. publicly funded stadiums do not trigger economic growth/rebirth. though at least arenas aren't as bad as football venues. giving clay a couple hundred million for free did not improve okc's downtown. it's just an unnecessary tax subsidy for a rich asshole. great that your city is improving. not so great that you're willing to just give public money away to billionaires who rely on blackmail and by doing put every other city at risk for future extortion.

/we shouldn't negotiate with terrorists and hostage takers.
 
2012-06-12 02:56:52 PM

A Fark Handle: fonebone77: A Fark Handle: fonebone77: A Fark Handle: veedeevadeevoodee: americans distracted by celeb culture of like/dislike of a managed media event of limited significance while the well connected loot the public coffers during an era when public funds are supposedly scarce...

Elitist snobbery on Fark? Say it aint so! Stop liking what I don't like? I think its time for someone to get back to saving the world by sitting on a park bench while reading some Chomsky.

how's that elitist snobbery? i've hated on lebron, i've followed that soap opera. i just think maybe folks should pay attention to the blackmail and extortion game the nba likes to play. after all, i keep hearing how broke america is, but yet if it's for a sports arena, sure go ahead have a billion. it's just not where i would spend my last billion...and for reason lost on me a free agent moving to miami is more vilified than a city having their team stolen through mob strong arm tactics and looting of okc's public moneys.

/and way to avoid the point and go with personal attacks as a response. clearly you're a master debater.

Just because you insult an entire city doesn't make it not personal to those whole live in the city. This was hardly looting a bunch of yokels, this was passed through a public county vote. We knew exactly what we were getting in to and it is paying off dividends now. Our inner city is in a continued renaissance which has benefited us in many ways. The NBA franchise has just been a small part of that improvement. 15 years ago our inner city was a trashed out hole where no one wanted to be after 6 PM. Once again, that stadium was getting built with or without an NBA team. As evidenced by the fact that it was built before we even had an inkling we might be looking at getting an NBA team (the Hornets things was a bit of serendipity.) The city still owns the stadium by the way.

What the Thunder got was an upgrade (about 100 mil. which was once again part of a public ...


What part of "that stadium was getting built with or without an NBA team" did you not get? Even the upgrades were on a publicly owned building that benefit more than just the Thunder. There is no myth. Our choices were A. don't do anything and never have any concerts/sports/major events, B. upgrade the crappy old event center at about half the cost, and it still would have sucked, or C. build a new venue with the potential to attract a major sporting franchise and be up to modern multi-venue standards. We as a city decided, regardless of return on investment, that we wanted a public works project that would benefit us in the least as a means to attract entertainment. It has succeeded, and has created revenue. You can say I'm confusing correlation and causation, but even without rigorous scientific research its pretty obvious that we wouldn't have gotten the hundreds of jobs that came with the organization, the tax revenues generated by the company and some of its highly paid employees, or the addition of numerous businesses built to accommodate the influx of tourism and pedestrian traffic the team has brought with it. The deal offered to Seattle might have been ass, but OKC got a pretty sweet bargain. I guess if your point is that OKC didn't take into account how Seattle was treated, you are correct. From our side of the equation Seattle wasn't relevant.
 
2012-06-12 03:59:44 PM
/end thread, well said.
 
2012-06-12 04:26:57 PM

fonebone77: What part of "that stadium was getting built with or without an NBA team" did you not get? Even the upgrades were on a publicly owned building that benefit more than just the Thunder. There is no myth. Our choices were A. don't do anything and never have any concerts/sports/major events, B. upgrade the crappy old event center at about half the cost, and it still would have sucked, or C. build a new venue with the potential to attract a major sporting franchise and be up to modern multi-venue standards. We as a city decided, regardless of return on investment, that we wanted a public works project that would benefit us in the least as a means to attract entertainment. It has succeeded, and has created revenue. You can say I'm confusing correlation and causation, but even without rigorous scientific research its pretty obvious that we wouldn't have gotten the hundreds of jobs that came with the organization, the tax revenues generated by the company and some of its highly paid employees, or the addition of numerous businesses built to accommodate the influx of tourism and pedestrian traffic the team has brought with it. The deal offered to Seattle might have been ass, but OKC got a pretty sweet bargain. I guess if your point is that OKC didn't take into account how Seattle was treated, you are correct. From our side of the equation Seattle wasn't relevant.


i get that. and then the city gave away the naming rights, probably most of the revenue associated with concessions, and who knows what regarding the suites and related revenues. yes, building an arena isn't necessarily a bad thing. i'm pro-building shiat (see my build bridges example up thread). that said, building an arena and then handing over most of the revenue sources to a private group of assholes is something that i find farking stupid. as for the jobs creation side of the side just read "bad sports: how owners are ruining the games we love."

and really we have gotten somewhat off track. the point is not that okc fans should be hated just because they are johnny-come-lately sonic fans. the point is that the villain in this is series is the rich lying assholes that blackmailed a city, then stole the sonics, and are milking the public coffers of okc for their own personal gain. instead america for reason unknown hates a man that while not under contract decided that living in south beach sounded better than living in cleveland.

we can agree to disagree. fark schultz! fark stern! fark clay! go heat!
 
2012-06-12 04:27:47 PM

fonebone77: I guess if your point is that OKC didn't take into account how Seattle was treated, you are correct. From our side of the equation Seattle wasn't relevant.


You will find it plenty relevant here in a few years when you are blackmailed to build a new stadium with the threat of losing your team to another city. It happened to us and could just as easily happen to you too.
 
2012-06-12 06:05:40 PM

umad: fonebone77: I guess if your point is that OKC didn't take into account how Seattle was treated, you are correct. From our side of the equation Seattle wasn't relevant.

You will find it plenty relevant here in a few years when you are blackmailed to build a new stadium with the threat of losing your team to another city. It happened to us and could just as easily happen to you too.


We already have an arena that meets if not exceeds current NBA expectations.

If sometime in the distant future if it needs to upgraded or replaced it'll happen.

Despite all the Sonic's fans wet dreams of OKC loosing the thunder there's no way that will happen.
 
2012-06-12 06:17:52 PM

Dookie-chute: Despite all the Sonic's fans wet dreams of OKC loosing the thunder there's no way that will happen.


Just like we never thought we would "loose" the Sonics.
 
2012-06-12 06:37:54 PM

umad: Dookie-chute: Despite all the Sonic's fans wet dreams of OKC loosing the thunder there's no way that will happen.

Just like we never thought we would "loose" the Sonics.


or the cleveland fans never thought that the browns could leave. or the brooklyn fans never thought that the dodgers would leave. if a team can leave brooklyn, what realistic hope does okc have...
 
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