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(BBC)   Confirming what we always knew, all US vodka is equally devoid of taste, with different brands being indistinguishable from others by taste   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 203
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2012-06-11 10:33:39 AM  

SpiffyandRedhot: Didn't Mythbusters do a show on this? Old news is old.


Not exactly. They did it on filtering cheap vodka.

They also showed that an expert can tell as he ranked the 10 samples in the exact order of number of filtration.

Also, while the idea behind this study is right, it ignores that, once they buy the base alcohol, they use their own process to filter, which does vary from place to place. And the Farkers reading the story seem to be missing the part where they say that there is a difference served neat, rocks or water, but not in a mixed drink, which is obvious. And the inability to distinguish neat is not across all vodkas, but vodkas of a similar quality, which would also make sense.

The only one I can really distinguish is Tito's.
 
2012-06-11 10:36:25 AM  

vudukungfu: cptjeff: Congrats, vodka drinkers. You're drinking something utterly generic, produced on an industrial scale, differentiated only by what's on the bottle.

Would like a word. . .



Smuggler's Notch? But I hardly know 'er!
 
2012-06-11 10:37:16 AM  

dennysgod: I'm sticking with Svedka.


Show some respect. It's pronounced "Svedak."
 
2012-06-11 10:37:49 AM  
I, for one, would prefer the ethanol produced on an industrial scale by Archer Daniels Midland over some mom and pop distillate. ADM has the chemists and process engineers to produce a pure product.

This is the crux of the biscuit isn't it: Keeping the wrong components out of the final product?

//jus sayin
 
2012-06-11 10:39:03 AM  
Bad vodak is instantly recognizable, but the difference between high grade vodak and mid grade vodak is the next morning.

/works for virtually all booze
//especially tequila
 
2012-06-11 10:39:49 AM  

cptjeff: Congrats, vodka drinkers. You're drinking something utterly generic, produced on an industrial scale, differentiated only by what's on the bottle.


That's why I only drink this

farm3.static.flickr.com

Besides, if you are using it for mixed drinks, who the hell cares?
 
2012-06-11 10:48:07 AM  

WhippingBoy: Being a vodka snob is like being a white paint aficionado.


A premium white paint has titanium dioxide in it.
 
2012-06-11 10:49:45 AM  

Nakito: Au contraire. The true vodka connoisseur is not assessesing taste but the lack of taste. The greatest vodkas have a subtle and elegant lack of taste that can only be appeciated by the most sophisticated palate. Any fool can say, "This vodka exhibits a lack of taste"; only the true expert can say, "This vodka exhibits a SUBLIME lack of taste."


The difference between Fark and Total Fark.
You just invented the Fark vodak theorem
 
2012-06-11 10:50:50 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: cptjeff: Congrats, vodka drinkers. You're drinking something utterly generic, produced on an industrial scale, differentiated only by what's on the bottle.

That's why I only drink this

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 375x500]

Besides, if you are using it for mixed drinks, who the hell cares?


In a genuine plastic bottle, no less. You must be a millionaire playboy. Must.
 
2012-06-11 10:54:15 AM  
Is it good? I've no idea, but the marketing is effective.
files.coloribus.com
 
2012-06-11 10:58:41 AM  

The One True TheDavid: bim1154:

Waiting for the vodka snobs to start posting images of expensive vodka.

Our local product. Guess what it costs?

[www.mugspartystore.com image 320x500]



Tree fiddy.
 
2012-06-11 10:59:00 AM  

dennysgod: I'm sticking with Svedka.


That's a good inexpensive choice.
 
2012-06-11 11:00:13 AM  

TheMysticS: Nakito: Au contraire. The true vodka connoisseur is not assessesing taste but the lack of taste. The greatest vodkas have a subtle and elegant lack of taste that can only be appeciated by the most sophisticated palate. Any fool can say, "This vodka exhibits a lack of taste"; only the true expert can say, "This vodka exhibits a SUBLIME lack of taste."

The difference between Fark and Total Fark.
You just invented the Fark vodak theorem


Reminds me of The Emperor's New Clothes. Only the most sophisticated people can taste it.

/I, for one, will never pretend to know and at this point couldn't appreciate great hard alcohol. My drinking days are mostly behind me and it was mostly based on quantity and budget. I can, however, tell the difference between bad vodka and terrible vodka. Same with bad tequila, terrible tequila, and all the other variations of eye-rolling rookie swill.
 
2012-06-11 11:00:30 AM  

beta_plus: ///the more expensive = less burn and turpentine flavor


Read that to yourself and tell me again why drinking vodak straight makes any logical sense at all. You're paying more money for something that has less taste. WTF?
 
2012-06-11 11:03:01 AM  

mytdawg: SpiffyandRedhot: Didn't Mythbusters do a show on this? Old news is old.

Their taster consistently determined how many times the cheap vodka had been filtered (I think it was scale of 1-10) and which was the premium brand IIRC. I was surprised, it all tastes kinda like kerosene to me. But the well brands give me a nasty hangover, the better grades do not. But that's pretty much the case with all well brands, regardless of type.


This. Cheap tequila can be damn near lethal. Cheap rum, too, can be full of nasty fusile oils, and even tannin. Cheap brandy, whiskey, or cognac aren't much better.
If you must drink cheap booze, stick with vodka or gin - they are the least vile.
 
2012-06-11 11:05:21 AM  

Jubeebee: PYROY: All vodka tastes the same to me, same with gin, so Aristocrat is always is.

I've noticed differences between gins. Different brands use different ratios of botanicals, so even in a gin&tonic, there is a difference between Bombay Sapphire and Brokers.

But vodak is just a means to turn nonalcoholic beverages into alcoholic beverages. Unless it's infused with bison grass or something, just buy the cheapest bucket and drown it in cranberry juice.


Have to agree with you on gin. I've always loved Bombay Sapphire for years. My father convinced me to try a bottle of Hendrick's gin a few months ago.......my God, is that stuff smooth....
 
2012-06-11 11:05:48 AM  

Theaetetus: ZER0T0THEC0RE: That doesn't mean all vodka's are exactly the same.

(food scientist who works in R&D for a large alcoholic beverages company)

Pff, right... If you were really a food scientist, you'd know it was spelled "vodak".


As another Farker put it, revisting that thread was like watching the birth of the universe.
 
2012-06-11 11:07:21 AM  
TFA: But when Conlin applied for a licence to sell it in neighbouring Idaho, it was rejected by the state liquor authority, which decides what gets stocked in the state's stores.

I thought the USA was the land of the free? Sounds more like the old Soviet Union.
 
2012-06-11 11:09:14 AM  
I can tell the difference between cheap vodaks & expensive vodaks... not by the taste... but by the headache.
 
2012-06-11 11:13:53 AM  
I toured a (the?) distillery in Milwaukee over the weekend. According to the distiller, who would be expected to know these things, it comes down to when to make the cuts of the heads/tails, which is well understood, and to filtering. They run it through the activated charcoal filter enough times until it's right. "If you get a bad vodka, you can run it through your Brita water filter a few times and clean it right up, it's effectively the same as what we do here."
 
2012-06-11 11:15:19 AM  
So vodka and vodka drinkers have the same thing in common. They're both tasteless.
 
2012-06-11 11:16:03 AM  

chewd: I can tell the difference between cheap vodaks & expensive vodaks... not by the taste... but by the headache.


Cheap vodka in a plastic bottle = guaranteed hangover no matter how many drinks are had.
 
2012-06-11 11:20:23 AM  

Theaetetus: ZER0T0THEC0RE: That doesn't mean all vodka's are exactly the same.

(food scientist who works in R&D for a large alcoholic beverages company)

Pff, right... If you were really a food scientist, you'd know it was spelled "vodak".


You win the discussion, my friend.
 
2012-06-11 11:21:26 AM  
Many American vodkas contribute little to the actual manufacturing - they merely purchase 95% ethyl alcohol from industrial giants like Archer Daniels Midland or Midwest Grain Processors, add water, and filter the product to varying degrees.

So is it possible to buy a gallon from ADM and cut out the middleman?
 
2012-06-11 11:21:58 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Cheap vodka in a plastic bottle = guaranteed hangover no matter how many drinks are had.


Its not a hangover... its what cheap vodak gives me instead of a buzz. A few times i've tried to drink past the headache to get to a buzz... but all that happens is the headache gets worse.
 
2012-06-11 11:26:04 AM  

mytdawg: This stuff is pretty good too.

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/not particularly expensive - $13-15 a fifth or so.


This is my house vodka these days, I like it a lot. My neighbor drinks it on the rocks, I mix it.
I don't usually drink vodka straight, I prefer bourbon or gin for that.
 
2012-06-11 11:31:32 AM  

MissMechante: mytdawg: This stuff is pretty good too.

[i174.photobucket.com image 370x749]

/not particularly expensive - $13-15 a fifth or so.

This is my house vodka these days, I like it a lot. My neighbor drinks it on the rocks, I mix it.
I don't usually drink vodka straight, I prefer bourbon or gin for that.


The Ugly Dog is supposed to be good too but it's more in the $20 range and not sure how far it's distributed. My dad likes it second only to Stoli. Thinks Grey Goose is overrated as do a great many others it appears. I bought him a bottle once but would never spend $30+ on it for myself. I'm a cheap date, especially when I'm buying...
 
2012-06-11 11:44:55 AM  

chewd: I can tell the difference between cheap vodaks & expensive vodaks... not by the taste... but by the headache.


this

I look on the label for the raw ingredients / distilling process and try to avoid industrially produced ethanol + spring water. Past experience is also key.
 
2012-06-11 11:46:01 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: That's the point. Who the hell does vodak shots? It's for mixing.


Correct. Vokda is the tofu of booze.
 
2012-06-11 11:52:13 AM  

AbbeySomeone: chewd: I can tell the difference between cheap vodaks & expensive vodaks... not by the taste... but by the headache.

Cheap vodka in a plastic bottle = guaranteed hangover no matter how many drinks are had.


ha, what are you, 12? I drink a pint of Skol every night and I don't even bother clicking on Fark until it's half finished.

You get a hangover from cheap vodka, you're just weak.
 
2012-06-11 11:52:56 AM  
ugh out of Skol. Ok till tonight, Farkers.
 
2012-06-11 12:03:16 PM  
vodka is vodka, the end, except Grey Goose which sucks.
 
2012-06-11 12:05:34 PM  

TravisBickle62:
Costco's Kirkland brand is Grey Goose in a different bottle


From what I have read, it is made in the same distillery as Grey Goose, but not made by them. I lik all the Kirkland liquors, for $20+ a liter their 100% blue agave Tequila is a nice find.
 
2012-06-11 12:11:44 PM  

Snarfangel: Many American vodkas contribute little to the actual manufacturing - they merely purchase 95% ethyl alcohol from industrial giants like Archer Daniels Midland or Midwest Grain Processors, add water, and filter the product to varying degrees.

So is it possible to buy a gallon from ADM and cut out the middleman?


Now there's the real question. Some quick googling shows that you can get cheap ethyl alcohol from chemical/science supply companies but they don't want to ship to individuals. Probably specifically because they don't want to be liable when some dummy kills themselves manufacturing their own hooch. There's also apparently a difference between 95% ethyl alcohol and food grade ethyl alcohol.

But yeah, there's got to be a way to extract moonshine from the internet.
 
2012-06-11 12:17:14 PM  

freewill: RobertBruce: if vodka has a real taste you're doing it wrong.

It's not so much that as it is that all vodka makers are "doing it wrong" and catering to sorority girls instead of making something enjoyable. Grain vodkas are certainly generally indistinguishable, but potato and rye vodkas are noticeably distinct. (There's also corn vodka out there, which is very different, but not my bag.)

Try this sometime.

[pennportal.files.wordpress.com image 156x400]


Hell yes, Farker is right

Try this, too

mainebusiness.mainetoday.com

My fav
 
2012-06-11 12:19:15 PM  
I only drink vodka hand made by virgins on full moons out of the most rarest of mythical ruby potatoes, served from a diamond bottle with gold shavings imbedded in this fine nectar.
 
2012-06-11 12:34:26 PM  
I look at it this way: beer and wine are beverages, distilled liquor is medicine. As shown by the the Wikipedia article (with map) Alcohol belts of Europe (link), hard liquor caught on in the dreary, cold and dark northern lands because it treats the pain of having to live past 45 degrees north (though for me it's closer to 40 degrees N).

This might account for the "personality quirks" passed down in my British/Irish paternal lineage: we didn't get the alcoholic gene, we're raving nuts instead. There could be a link there, maybe some families developed alcoholism because in 300 AD there was no Seroquel yet. (Which is better, a snoring drunk or a fire-&-brimstone Puritan?)

My own boozing career didn't begin till my mid 40s, when I'd gotten awful damn tired of being a sober fruitcake, and while I might lose count on a particular occasion I don't seem to have it in me to lose all control like folks do in the AA "literature": a liter a week is a lot for me, two shots a night is usually enough, and I'm truly amazed that anybody can finish off a fifth of 100-proof in one calendar day. But I do love the stuff.

Keep in mind that our species evolved where it's warm and sunny and that northern Europeans have such pale skin and light eyes because once they were stuck up there it was mutate or die. Is it any wonder that so many barbarian conquerors were frigging Vikings? "I tell ya Sven, one more 9-month winter and I'll berzerk my whole damn family. Again."

For those in the vodka/whisky belt, if you can you migrate to the south of France or someplace with a similar climate -- and drink beer or wine with meals. If you can't, you dose yourself with the hard stuff and dream of better worlds. Sláinte, motherfarkers!
 
2012-06-11 12:37:03 PM  
Hangar One cltampa.com

Love the Mandarin Blossom and Spiced Pear. The others are good too.
 
2012-06-11 12:37:54 PM  
I've always laughed at the snooty vodka aficionados. They're such morons. Vodka is the drink of those who want to get drunk, but don't like liquor.

/They can have my Scotch whiskey when they pry it from my clammy passed-out hands.
 
2012-06-11 12:38:22 PM  
fonebone77:


How anyone can drink gin is beyond me though. It tastes like a pine tree.


It's supposed to. That's what it's flavored with. (link)
 
2012-06-11 12:39:55 PM  

beta_plus: Best value for your money vodak that I have ever seen

[www.thepourpro.com image 525x683]

/Vodka doesn't taste of anything by definition - the government is actually right in this case
//it's more of a burn
///the more expensive = less burn and turpentine flavor


I like Tito's. It tastes a bit like the triple distilled moonshine mother used to make.

Otherwise, vodak is supposed to be low flavor, and a base for mixed drinks. If you are getting drunk on straight vodak you're an idiot but probably quicker to recover than drinking something with a load of congeners.
 
2012-06-11 12:40:16 PM  
"I judge a vodka by how I feel the next day. Our hangovers are minimal," says Steve Conlin, vice-president of marketing for Ogden's Own Distillery, makers of Five Wives Vodka.

While I can't speak for the vodka in question, I agree with what he's saying... some vodka's have more hangover in them. Along with crappier ingredients and less filtering, I blame the plastic bottle.

Anyway, for shots or mixing, Russian Standard is pretty decent.
 
2012-06-11 12:41:31 PM  

Clemkadidlefark: My fav


Nice. That goes on the shortlist, especially if I make it up to New England. Boyd & Blair is a Pennsylvania product.

I'm waiting for someone to finally realize that a London dry gin produced from a potato spirit base has the potential to produce the ideal martini.
 
2012-06-11 12:51:33 PM  
One of the tastiest vodaks (wait for the oxymoron) I've ever had was from Breckenridge Distillery up in ski country. A little tartness from the corn and snowmelt they used, but otherwise smooth as ice.

Their bourbon was surprisingly good as well. Weird for a Colorado distillery to have quality liquors from the wrong parts of the world.

// good old relatively-cheapo Three Olives for mixing
// and doing shots, for that matter
 
2012-06-11 12:58:27 PM  

WhippingBoy: Being a vodka snob is like being a white paint aficionado.


Very good sir. These Ketel One commercials where they show it on ice...blech. I mix vodka with whatever I like, and it's just fine. Everyone knows the finest vodka comes from Kentucky, anyway.

8 bucks a liter, 12 bucks a handle, can't beat it!

www.thepartysource.com
 
2012-06-11 01:00:38 PM  
Jument:

beta_plus: ///the more expensive = less burn and turpentine flavor

Read that to yourself and tell me again why drinking vodak straight makes any logical sense at all. You're paying more money for something that has less taste. WTF?


The difference is that the stuff that gives whiskey its flavor is also the stuff that's likely to produce hangovers. At least in theory: I can't afford to get shiat-faced on Booker's very often, but I can tell you that a Fighting Cock hangover is terrible. "Purer" vodka, with the cogeners distilled away and filtered out, is much less dangerous -- unless you let the drinkability lull you into something stupid. When you're just drinking for the effect you might as well drink vodka.

Speaking of which, New Amsterdam vodka comes in a spiffy rectangular bottle and boasts that it's "five times distilled" but it's only $12 a fifth at the Rite Aid across the street. At room temperature it has very little "yuckiness" and just enough burn to remind me it's not water. Smirnoff is only distilled three times and costs a buck or two more, so I think I've found my "premium" brand. Of generic grain vodka anyway: the rye and potato stuff is a little different, though maybe if it were distilled two or three more times and filtered through 50 feet of activated charcoal it too would be just bland.
 
2012-06-11 01:03:24 PM  
Considering it costs about the same as Popov and is better than most "top" shelf vodkas, I prefer:

upload.wikimedia.org

/hot
//Made in Poland, originates from Austria technically
///The Polish invented vodka, the Russians claimed credit and the Finns became immune while the others were busy puking
 
2012-06-11 01:05:52 PM  

mytdawg: This stuff is pretty good too.

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/not particularly expensive - $13-15 a fifth or so.


Ugh, this was my vodka of choice. I could find it in the local grocery store for $13 a bottle. Sadly they no longer carry it anymore.

/Was given a half-gal of Tito's as a gift last christmas
//Just got a fifth of Kettle One as a birthday gift this weekend
///I'm set on vodka for a while
 
2012-06-11 01:06:04 PM  
By the way, which "level" of water filter were they using? The basic activated charcoal kind that really just affects the taste or the expensive kind that's supposed to make raw sewage safe to drink?
 
2012-06-11 01:07:57 PM  
In all seriousness, I suppose really really really expensive vodka is better than the local swill I purchase, but as i said, its all getting mixed, anyway. My local likka stow did have this on sale once, almost as cheap as HH, and I could tell it was of higher quality. After about three drinks, i didn't give a shiat. Try it if you can find it cheap, because it was easier on me the next day. Maybe if only for a change of pace.

www.packagingeurope.com
 
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