MaudlinMutantMollusk: BarkingUnicorn: I was expecting an ultrasound image.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one

Is there a single instance of an attractive mother that puts her kids into beauty pageants? Or is this really just the realm of fat ugly twats that want desperately to live through their children?

I like how this thread is half deriding mother and daughter for trying to look pretty, and half heaping scorn on them for being ugly.

I wonder where women and girls get idea they're nothing unless they're good-looking?

To every parent who puts their young child in a pagent: DIAF, you pathetic, disturbed oxygen thieves. Quit abusing a helpless child to satisfy your own ego.

Is it me or is that baby ugly?

The mom is fat. The mom is always fat.

The only cosmetics a little kid needs are sunscreen and a thin film of mud. Put that poor child outside and come up with some other way to entertain yourself, for fark's sake.

My niece of the same age is much more adorable than whatever that thing is.
But thankfully her mother (my sister) is more intelligent and would never do this to her daughter.

feckingmorons: Her mother's hair looks like chocolate cake frosting.


Her mother's obviously a vacuous twia that's desperately trying to make up for a sex-free life in high school.

wademh: MadAzza: wademh: MadAzza: wademh: Fascinating that you ran track and were more concerned about your coaches attention than in achieving a personal best.

Fascinating that you don't know "coach" is a verb, too.

That does not follow logically. The original use of "inattentive coaches" was a noun context, I followed with a noun context, and nothing about doing so implies ignorance of the verb context. If the original had been "inattentive coaching", invoking the gerund, a transition to the verb might have been more implied by the context but that is whimsy associated with language that was not in place. As it was, and given her further exposition, her point was most certainly to the individuals and not the process.

So you've fascinated yourself with a non sequitur of dubious parentage.

While I do appreciate the humor in your feeble attempt to overanalyze my comment, you've succeeded in proving yourself adept at missing the point.

You said the OP was unreasonable to expect a coach to be inattentive. A coach's job is to coach. That means being attentive.

It really is that simple. Try stepping back a little.

I did not say, or even suggest, that the OP was unreasonable to expect coach to be inattentive [sic]. Presumably you mean attentive, but I didn't say or suggest that either. I did not address her expectations regards coaches.

Coaches are secondary to sport. I've coached baseball and soccer teams frequently over the last 35 years. Seriously, a coaches job is to stay out of the way and let the game be played by the players. There can be and should be guidance to develop skills, promote endeavour, and resolve interpersonal conflicts (apparently, the OP's coaches failed on all such fronts) but mostly you work to stay out of the way of the individual athletes because it's about them and not you.

Actually, it does make the point that I was trying to exactly. You claimed that sports have inherent value... I believe they do not. Sports are worthless, and can even be harmful, if you are not surrounded by good people.

You completely misinterpreted my post based on preconceived notions of my character, and then tried to blame that misinterpretation on me. Even if you hadn't made the connection between the inattentive coaches and the bullying, surely you know that the primary definition of inattentive is "not mindful, negligent." There is no way that a person would take that sentence to mean that the person writing it was overly concerned with the attentions of the coaches.

I will admit that I misspoke when I said I never participated in organized sports again though. I did play some touch football in college. I played as a favor to my friends because they needed girls on the team. I knew everyone on the team beforehand though so there was no risk.

It seems to me that we will never find compromise on this subject so I'm going to move on.

mesmer242: wademh: What is the ultimate virtue of these pageants? You want to compare to kids playing sports? There is a virtue in sport but what is the virtue in a pageant? You want comfort in front of others? Do theatre or just teach self-confidence.

There is virtue in sport... That's your rebuttal? I did track in middle school and trust me when I say that all I had were inattentive coaches and teammates who bullied me. There was no virtue in it. I wasn't even that bad at it but I've never done an organized sport again.

You can't teach self-confidence... children learn that by doing something they feel is scary and overcoming it. Having someone nicely ask you questions about yourself on stage is a great way to ease into public speaking. Theatre or dance is a great second step but that's often a long term cost if it's not available at school. Debate or something similar is a great third step and I did some of that in high school which I enjoyed quite a bit.

I'm not saying everyone should force their child into a pageant - I just think that they can be a good outlet for a kid that's interested.

Fascinating that you ran track and were more concerned about your coaches attention than in achieving a personal best. I should rest my case about pageants teaching warped values.

But even if you are completely focused on approval from others, focusing that approval upon looks is just plain sick. Dolling kids up in make-up is moreso unless you put on grand blinders about the obvious connection to painted ladies.

Run a talent show if you must put kids on a stage but base it on more than "you're so pretty".

Any parent who does this to their children should be scrutinized heavily by the government. There is no good reason for this.

queen biatch of the universe: Hermione_Granger: There's something about putting blusher on a toddler that makes me feel...squicked

I mean the idea of rouge or blush is to give a grown woman the look of the rosy cheeks of youth. Are we saying that at less than 2 years old, a child is no longer a rosy-cheeked youth but a woman who needs make-up?

It's absurd and just a little sad.

I feel so over-dramatic typing this. Me who's prone to melodrama and hyperbole. It's just that I normally think this sort of thing is silly but harmless, but that picture of her sitting there while her mom dolls her up...it's a visceral feeling and the feeling is one of overwhelming.....ewwwwww.

That poor beautiful child.

Actually the blush/rouge cheeks and why is seen as attractive by people is because blushing is usually used to sign sexual attraction to a male. Also during sex when blood is pumping, some of the color gets to the cheeks. Blush is used to recreate the looks of a women in the heat of passion. Which just makes the mother's overuse of it on her daughter even more creepy when you break it down.

THIS along with makeup to make eyes look larger and wide open, and lipstick to make lips full and rosy. Makeup is designed to mimic sexual arousal.

Two-year olds don't possess the cognitive reasoning skills to make good decisions. That's why you don't let them stay up all hours of the night, eat junk food, play with broken glass, run around outside unattended......you make those good decisions for them, until they're old enough and smart enough to make them for themselves. I don't truly believe a child that young, or frankly even a bit older than that, wants to participate in this stuff. When I was a toddler, I wanted to play outside, play with dolls, watch cartoons.....not get dressed up like a prostitute and parade around in front of people for my mother's internal validation.

Grown women who choose to participate in beauty pageants is one thing. Children is something else entirely, and completely creepy.

Benevolent Misanthrope: And Fark Almighty - yet another one of those fat, ugly breeder women whoring out their daughters to the objectification industry to experience a vicarious sense of worth. This whole damn thing is farking sick.

/was wondering why SICK tag wasn't used

<i>'Eleanor June might not yet be two but she knows her own mind and I couldn't make her do something she didn't want,' she says.</i>

Holy crap, what a failure of a parent.

/I make my daughter do all sorts of stuff she doesn't want to do. If I didn't she'd spend the whole day eating Popsicles and watching Diego.

Ambivalence: I'm so glad I"m never going to have children.

Why? Because you wouldn't be able to resist putting your child in a beauty pageant? It's a pretty easy thing to avoid.

Wangiss: Krieghund: Wangiss: I've seem every side of this racket.Parents get their second chance at youth; kids get their first chance at disappointment. But you don't know what it's like to win a pageant. It's farking magic. Judge, if have that much hate inside you, but unless you're the one holding the flowers at the end, you're farking clueless.

You know what? I believe you.

I hear crack is farking magic too. But it's still destructive.


I know it's easier just to stereotype, but every parent is different. Half of then are angling for dollars. You can get a few thousand a year in modeling contracts even from a small, local department store. With a lot of these families, every little bit helps. Some kids get a recurring contract with Target that puts them through college.
But the parents ar e no worse than sports parents for the most part.But I guess farkers wouldn't know about that, either.

The "doing it for financial reward and every little bit helps" argument doesn't hold water when you take into account how much these pageants cost. Just as with fast-track sports parents, these parents often spend far more getting to the upper level than they save with the scholarship. In order to be competitive, not only are you paying for the co$tume$ and fee$, co$metic$ $pray tan$, etc, but also the snowflake will need private coaching, which is gotdamned expensive.

If the parents put all the pageant cash into a college fund instead, college would be paid for and then some.

In fact, Robyn says given the choice, Eleanor June chooses to wear make-up.

In fact, Namegoeshere says given the choice, Little Namegoeshere chooses to wear the same socks for a week, stay up until midnight, and eat chocolate for breakfast. Doesn't mean I let her.

More proof that mandatory sterilizations need to be performed in the UK.

AverageAmericanGuy: Ace of Swords: I like how this thread is half deriding mother and daughter for trying to look pretty, and half heaping scorn on them for being ugly.

I wonder where women and girls get idea they're nothing unless they're good-looking?

If all you're good at is looking pretty but you're unredeemably ugly, then life is going to suck for you.

Maybe she'll be smart or have a good personality, because let's be honest, those genetics aren't going to propel her into the bright lights.

She's not even two. It's far too early to make judgements on how pretty or clever she'll be, and it's not exactly weird for little girls to want to emulate their mothers - or Disney princesses. The father agrees the daughter enjoys dressing up.

I don't like pageant culture, but a kid isn't going to be traumatised by playing dress up with her mother, for heaven's sake.

I suppose this mother, like every other stupid mother I see making their kids do this crap, is going to tell us that it's what "she wants to do!"

No, its what you want to do. Period. She didn't wake up one day and choose to do this. You decided to force your obsession on your child and live vicariously through her/him.

By the way, dressing your kids up like this is sick and creepy.

Sorry, this is probably one of the few things I consider as bad or worse than brainwashing children from birth with religion. It's the same damn thing.

incrdbil: To every parent who puts their young child in a pagent: DIAF, you pathetic, disturbed oxygen thieves. Quit abusing a helpless child to satisfy your own ego.

I think it is actually striking a primitive primate cord. It's necessary to help forge that protective bond, Mom shows off the newborn, everybody says the baby is so precious, the neurotransmitters kick in, a few endorphins and that critical dopamine release. Unfortunately, sometimes things get kicked out of balance. Is that the only positive feedback mommy gets?

Remember this. Tell new Mom about the lovely baby but then say something nice about Mom herself. don't create another one of these monsters. Better yet, if you see her when she's pregnant, talk to her about her and not the baby.

Toddlers and Tiaras. Sickest show on cable followed by Dance Moms.

What MrFi5ter said....
The moms are nearly always fat. Living in a trailer. Father: clueless. The gene pool is definitely been muddied up. Except Dance Moms where the dance teacher is fat, ugly, and in need of a choking with fried twinkies until she shuts that ugly yap.

To all parents who think it's OK to pimp out your kiddies in "Pageants" and to all the sickos that watch gleefully with one hand down their trousers......

Please go away to some secluded place and remove yourself from the gene pool.

That is all.

I don't know what's worse: parents such as these, or the people that sustain this behavior.

There are likely millions of little cute/pretty girls out there. Thankfully only a few have amoral, selfish mothers sticking them in pageants. Pageants that frankly should not be done at all.

I'm just thinking she's going to strangle herself with those stupid plastic beads.

Also, I was expecting a newborn.

I was expecting fetuses, left disappointed.

Of course your child likes playing with clothes! Of course she likes playing with makeup! If you leave them alone, toddlers will pull off their diapers, poop on the carpet, then throw their poop or stick toys in it - they're not that picky, they're not that smart, and they're none too good with long term consequences.

That's what they have you for, asshole.

Seriously, I can't stop farting.

Does Mom get lipstick stains around her nipples?

Another fat and dumpy mom trying to live her childhood through her daughter and fark her up to be just like her. Maybe if a lot of girls growing up didn't strive to run around pulling up their dresses they wouldn't grow up so farked up.

Is she hot for England?

I know the standards are different there.

Nuke them both from orbit.