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2012-06-11 02:25:45 AM  
Really good french fries?
 
2012-06-11 03:14:52 AM  
Something doesn't add up here...sounds fishy to me.
 
2012-06-11 03:57:06 AM  

Mark Ratner: Something doesn't add up here...sounds fishy to me.


Nah, they were just all Asian. It's Irvine.
 
2012-06-11 03:59:46 AM  
What's the deal with taking the ACT? Are there any schools that prefer ACT scores over SAT scores?
 
2012-06-11 04:00:25 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-06-11 04:04:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: What's the deal with taking the ACT? Are there any schools that prefer ACT scores over SAT scores?


It's apparently a regional thing, but IMO, as somebody who took both, the ACT is the better test. Sadly, the SAT seems to be getting more and more traction.

Colleges take either with equal weight.
 
2012-06-11 04:05:21 AM  
"A 36 is a perfect score, which all of these students achieved and really a strong indication of how college and career ready these students are," said ACT Consultant Romi Kim.

Well, I don't know that I would be proud of scoring well on the ACT if this is indicative of its standards.
 
2012-06-11 04:08:40 AM  
shiat, you can buy Adderall popsicles in Irvine.
 
2012-06-11 04:08:44 AM  
Hope these kids aren't complete mental cases. One day one of them may *SNAP*.
 
2012-06-11 04:14:01 AM  
FTA: Of the 10 students who recorded a perfect score, one was a senior, two were sophomores and the rest were juniors. None of them had taken the standardized test before.

Shenanigans!
 
2012-06-11 04:17:15 AM  
Two of my friends got perfect scores on the same test, and we were a pretty small school. I took both the SAT and ACT and thought the ACT was easier.
 
2012-06-11 04:32:27 AM  
Oh I'm totally sure this came from just pure hard work and perseverance and had nothing to do with being taught the test.

I'm not saying they didn't work hard mind you but I knew a guy that did the "unheard of" thing of acing some sort of FAA qualification test.

By memorizing two-three thousand questions.
 
2012-06-11 04:32:38 AM  
Nguyen !
 
2012-06-11 04:56:37 AM  

berniex: Nguyen !


FTN?
 
2012-06-11 05:01:44 AM  

randomjsa: Oh I'm totally sure this came from just pure hard work and perseverance and had nothing to do with being taught the test.

I'm not saying they didn't work hard mind you but I knew a guy that did the "unheard of" thing of acing some sort of FAA qualification test.

By memorizing two-three thousand questions.


Yup. All standardized tests show is how well you can take a standardized test. Prep courses are all about taking previous tests, memorizing answers, and finding patterns in the test.
 
2012-06-11 05:47:26 AM  
"No come first in school? You bring shame on ancestors"
 
2012-06-11 05:49:34 AM  
yep, these kids are definitely college and career ready.

/same mantra the school district I work for vomits over and over
//not every kid needs to go to college
///still can't figure out why this isn't obvious
 
2012-06-11 05:52:40 AM  
A good old fashion Fark race rally, how sweet. FELLOW RACIST UNITE!

Link
 
2012-06-11 05:53:36 AM  
cdn1.tabletmag.com
 
2012-06-11 06:02:52 AM  

Mark Ratner: Something doesn't add up here...sounds fishy to me.


The questions were

1. what is your name?
2. when is your birthday?
3. what is your age?

/and that was it
//and only 10 kids answered correctly
 
2012-06-11 06:26:33 AM  
Asian people's problems



So, where is the old school teacher or school admin to accuse them all of cheating?


Hell, back in high school I scored a 83 on a biology exam & my teacher took my paper from me claiming I must have cheated.
 
2012-06-11 06:34:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: What's the deal with taking the ACT? Are there any schools that prefer ACT scores over SAT scores?


1/2 the schools in the US... Most of central and north US
 
2012-06-11 06:59:56 AM  

david_gaithersburg: [cdn1.tabletmag.com image 620x416]


Looks like he's been smoking crack... again!

/where's the $2 whores?
 
2012-06-11 07:02:39 AM  

MadSkillz: Really good french fries?


images.wikia.com

Approves
 
2012-06-11 07:38:40 AM  
I took the ACT after taking the SAT twice and found it to be easier. I used it instead of my SAT score because it got me an extra 120 SAT points. Funny enough, I took the SAT the second time because it wasn't quite high enough for the school i thought about going to. I got the 10 points I needed and decided not to go anyways.
 
2012-06-11 07:51:19 AM  
Pretty impressive, but not shenanigans-level. Out of a graduating class of 130-ish, I know what probably 30-40 made, and of them I know of 3 36'ers. Sure, that's at a school focused on academics, but on the other hand it's in Arkansas. It's a big deal, but not an implausibly big deal.
 
2012-06-11 07:59:16 AM  
"A 36 is a perfect score, which all of these students achieved and really a strong indication of how college and career ready these students are," said ACT Consultant Romi Kim.


No, it's not an indication of that at all. It's only an indication that they're good at standardized tests. They could all be complete dirt balls who rely on their helicopter mother to do everything for them. They could get out on their own and die from a skin infection brought on by living in their own filth. The ACT doesn't account for that. They could get a job and find that the complex mass of human interaction needed to do most things in society bears no resemblance to performing well on a test.

I'm not hating on standardized tests; I actually teach a prep class for several. I just know they're not indicative of much at all.
 
2012-06-11 08:02:46 AM  
Michelle Zou? Zounds!
 
2012-06-11 08:06:11 AM  

VvonderJesus: Two of my friends got perfect scores on the same test, and we were a pretty small school. I took both the SAT and ACT and thought the ACT was easier.


Yeah, was about to ask what the size of the graduating class was. We had two 36's the year I graduated from a high school with required animal husbandry, where 4-H was king.

/not one of them
//got a 32 and was accused of cheating, because I was in the 4-H clique
///Tom, I know your grades are good, but I always sort of saw you on a tractor, not in college
 
2012-06-11 08:07:46 AM  

Tobin_Lam: ...wasn't quite high enough for the school i thought about going to...


I've had that problem before. Easily remedied, fortunately. :)


Back in my day (onion adjustment) colleges had balls. There was no recruiting or advertising, because none was needed. They would only take 5-10 of the brightest "legacy" students whose parents gave them a shiat-ton of money, and then they would take only the smartest, most promising kids who applied. Not based on a test, but based on their grades and their essays. It is truly amazing how much you can tell about a person from what and how they write. But that was deemed to arbitrary, too inefficient, too slow, and too expensive, so now there is the standardized test...which tells you dick about how a kid is going to do in college. And now they let in as many legacy students as apply (despite many of them being entirely incapable of tying their own shoes without injury), and as many idiots as they can cram into the dorms, and they charge everybody a shiat-ton of money.

And they wonder why a college education is no longer worth what it used to be. It is obvious. They have traded their balls for gold.
 
2012-06-11 08:16:36 AM  

JBangworthy: I'm not hating on standardized tests; I actually teach a prep class for several. I just know they're not indicative of much at all.


That's always been my theory.
 
2012-06-11 08:21:22 AM  
Meh, I did this 20+ years ago. When it was hard.
 
2012-06-11 08:21:36 AM  
From Wiki on this school: Among the 2,512 students enrolled in 2010, 45.2% were Asian, 34.7% Caucasian, 8.9% Hispanic/Latino, 2.4% African American, 2.5% Filipino, and 6.2% Other

Notable alumni includes Dita Von Teese and Will Ferrell
 
2012-06-11 08:31:04 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: What's the deal with taking the ACT? Are there any schools that prefer ACT scores over SAT scores?


Coasts vs Central with the coasts prefering the SAT. Kids at top tier high schools will usually take both. One of my friends got a 36 on the ACT, another a 1600 on the SAT.

/32 on ACT
//36 science, 34 reading, 33 writing... 25 math
///sat was 1400 something, i forget
////not indicative of anything other than test taking ability
//well, maybe, i am pretty bad at math
 
2012-06-11 08:53:59 AM  
If they were Asian kids, no action will be taken.
If black or white kids, there will be an investigation.
 
2012-06-11 09:05:53 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: If they were Asian kids, no action will be taken.
If black or white kids, there will be an investigation.


That's racist

www.sportsgrid.com
 
2012-06-11 09:32:00 AM  
Meh. I got a 33.

/We only had one 36 in my graduating class.
 
2012-06-11 09:35:40 AM  
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3
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According to Figure 2, pioneer plant(s) showing a progressive increase in summed diameter of stems per unit area over the course of several years of succession is(are):
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2012-06-11 09:43:12 AM  

cptjeff: It's apparently a regional thing, but IMO, as somebody who took both, the ACT is the better test. Sadly, the SAT seems to be getting more and more traction.


It's mostly regional. One's an achievement test (what you've learned) one's an aptitude test (how you think). Depends on the school, but I don't know of any except private schools that refuse to take only one test.

foo monkey: All standardized tests show is how well you can take a standardized test. Prep courses are all about taking previous tests, memorizing answers, and finding patterns in the test.


Good point. Close reading, memorization, time management, and analytical thought are completely worthless skills except for taking standardized tests.
 
2012-06-11 10:04:54 AM  
I bet the kids who got world beating but not perfect scores really feel like shiat.

People don't understand what its like to be second-best among elites.
 
2012-06-11 10:29:38 AM  
Nothing suspicious at all. A group of students, all from the same school, taking the same test, all get perfect scores. Teachers ans school systems have never been known to rig tests in order for their students to show better grades, so we should just congratulate the students and move on. Nothing to see here.

/waves hand
//"These are not the shenanigans you are looking for".
 
2012-06-11 10:30:55 AM  

Balchinian: It is truly amazing how much you can tell about a person from what and how they write. But that was deemed to arbitrary, too inefficient, too slow, and too expensive, so now there is the standardized test...which tells you dick about how a kid is going to do in college.


JBangworthy: No, it's not an indication of that at all. It's only an indication that they're good at standardized tests.


Bullshiat. Essays are WAY more arbitrary and an invitation to favoritism, if not outright bigotry. Second, American education isn't nationalized so there's no objective way to compare GPAs in even adjacent districts, let alone states far apart. We need standardized tests because there are no other standards. Without them there's no objective way to compare students. Now, I will say it's not ideal. Despite the political risks I do believe we should nationalize a lot of our education system and one reason is because of over-reliance on the SAT and ACT. The tests are far from infallible and the current system puts way too many eggs in one basket. So we can agree this is a symptom of a much bigger problem, but fact is they're the best we've got right now. We can't replace them with inherently biased methods.

As for the test itself, the issue is more with how it's used. The "standardized test" itself is rather benign. Anything can be a standardized test; it's the standard that's important. For example, you can use a sprint to gauge physical fitness. It's a pretty crude way to compare everyone from marathon runners to hockey goalies. Does it translate to how well they do in any given sport except sprints? Of course not. Doesn't mean a pitcher can throw, or a cornerback can defend, or a point guard can shoot. So by anti-SAT logic the whole thing should be abolished, which reveals a horrible ignorance in the purpose of a standardized test, and that's this: ANYONE who is in decent shape (assuming no disability but the same applies to the ACT as well) will have a decent sprint time. Every fatass is going to have a crappy sprint time. You can whine and WHAARGARBL about how flawed the test is all you want, and sure it's asinine to rely exclusively on it to, say, identify elite talent. A 36 ACT score doesn't mean someone's a genius; and if you're looking for the next great NFL QB you're not gonna find him with a damned sprint. However, you CAN very reliably separate the fatasses from the athletes with just this one, simple, crude test as long as it's standardized. That's the point.

A standardized test establishes a floor for performance. An obsessive helicopter parent can certainly influence a kid's score but the kid still has to take the damned thing alone. You don't have to be a genius to ace a standardized test, but you can't be retarded. It's just an excuse. Someone in the bottom half is below average; I don't care how bad they are at taking tests. Elite schools may have a hard standardized test score floor but if you think that's unfair, understand they're looking at kids who could ace those damn things drunk. Again, it's like an elite sports team rejecting you because you have a crappy sprint time. It may say nothing about your other skills but it doesn't matter. Every elite athlete will be in such condition that the test is a joke to them; there's simply no such thing as a person in fantastic physical shape who can't run. So while a smart person may underperform on a test, it's a statistical certainty they're not going to do badly.
 
2012-06-11 10:45:28 AM  
Meh, the ACT is basically the test you take when you have no intention out applying to any school worth going to.
 
2012-06-11 11:07:51 AM  

Lusiphur: Meh, the ACT is basically the test you take when you have no intention out applying to any school worth going to.


Back in the day, that was certainly the case, but I wasn't sure if that still held true.

/Just realized that I took those tests 45 years ago, crap.

//A number of elite schools no longer even require standardized test scores. You may submit a score in support of your application, but they aren't required.
 
2012-06-11 11:20:51 AM  

Gough: Lusiphur: Meh, the ACT is basically the test you take when you have no intention out applying to any school worth going to.

Back in the day, that was certainly the case, but I wasn't sure if that still held true.

/Just realized that I took those tests 45 years ago, crap.

//A number of elite schools no longer even require standardized test scores. You may submit a score in support of your application, but they aren't required.


It doen't hold true (and it never really did); it is just something people who have no desire to go to the midwest say.

What schools have done away with all test scores for admissions?
 
2012-06-11 11:48:06 AM  

bacongood: Gough: Lusiphur: Meh, the ACT is basically the test you take when you have no intention out applying to any school worth going to.

Back in the day, that was certainly the case, but I wasn't sure if that still held true.

/Just realized that I took those tests 45 years ago, crap.

//A number of elite schools no longer even require standardized test scores. You may submit a score in support of your application, but they aren't required.

It doen't hold true (and it never really did); it is just something people who have no desire to go to the midwest say.

What schools have done away with all test scores for admissions?


Back when I was applying to college, none of the highly-selective schools in the Midwest required the ACT, they all used the SAT.

Here's a partial list of the schools that have done away with test scores for admissions. Not surprisingly, there are a number of non-selective schools on the list, but there are also a number of top-ranked ones, primarily high-quality privates.

http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional
 
2012-06-11 12:21:32 PM  

cptjeff: AverageAmericanGuy: What's the deal with taking the ACT? Are there any schools that prefer ACT scores over SAT scores?

It's apparently a regional thing, but IMO, as somebody who took both, the ACT is the better test. Sadly, the SAT seems to be getting more and more traction.

Colleges take either with equal weight.


West coast schools typically use ACT. East coast SAT..

Well, that's what i was told in Highschool 20+ years ago.
 
2012-06-11 12:53:55 PM  

foo monkey: Yup. All standardized tests show is how well you can take a standardized test. Prep courses are all about taking previous tests, memorizing answers, and finding patterns in the test.


Prep moves you up the scale a little. Sure. But, if that's all that was being tested, more than 1% of test takers would get 33-and-above. Surely more than 1% of test takers have access to the full gamut of test preparation options and interest in getting a high score. But they *don't*.
 
2012-06-11 01:24:01 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155631/77412322#c77412322" target="_blank">Gough</a>:</b> <i>b
Back when I was applying to college, none of the highly-selective schools in the Midwest required the ACT, they all used the SAT.
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For the past 20 years or so they have been taking either/or (and I just spot checked NW and U of C, that is still their policy). Not sure if we just talking past each other and reading implied "only takes" into it. Generally, midwest studetns take both and then send whichever one is "higher".

It should be noted that IL requires all high school students to take the ACT, so no school around there will get rid of the ACT option until that is undone.

<i>
Here's a partial list of the schools that have done away with test scores for admissions. Not surprisingly, there are a number of non-selective schools on the list, but there are also a number of top-ranked ones, primarily high-quality privates.

http://www.fairtest.org/university/optional</i>

Some interesting schools on that list, but probably only a handful would qualify as "selective". Very few that would have any large amounts of applicants - which is what the tests should be used for.
 
2012-06-11 01:25:04 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155631/77414085#c77414085" target="_blank">Lawnchair</a>:</b> <i>foo monkey: Yup. All standardized tests show is how well you can take a standardized test. Prep courses are all about taking previous tests, memorizing answers, and finding patterns in the test.

Prep moves you up the scale a little. Sure. But, if that's all that was being tested, more than 1% of test takers would get 33-and-above. Surely more than 1% of test takers have access to the full gamut of test preparation options and interest in getting a high score. But they *don't*.</i>

You know the scores are scaled... right?
 
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