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St_Francis_P: As expected, the comments are scholarly and thoughtful pure mindless derp.

I came to say the comments were the best bit, the author responds to the lunatic and puts him in his place every time and the loon just gets stupider with each post. It's like watching someone try to have a chat with Bevets.

I love how after the author of TFA absolutely vaporized the comments guy (complete with exhaustive lists of facts), the only thing comments guy could respond with was,

You are evidently an Obama lover and you wrote the article to put him in the best light possible.

And that is why you should never waste your time arguing someone who is so blindly partisan. You will never convince them of anything, since only one of you is having a rational discussion.

St_Francis_P: kid_icarus: And that is why you should never waste your time arguing someone who is so blindly partisan. You will never convince them of anything, since only one of you is having a rational discussion.

But there are lots of moderates and undecideds that might vote either way. That's why it's necessary to counter the GOP's fabrications in a methodical way.

Or you could just shoot the right winger.

*note comment not intended to be taken seriously.

Mentat: Most of the Obama deficits are coming from loss of revenue due to the recession. Oh, and from putting the costs of the wars on the books.

Get out of here with that book learnin making sense stuff.

Endrick: Generation_D:
Or you could just shoot the right winger.


THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRATS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
/knew it all along
//where you gonna get your gun libby???!! You don't have one!!

I suppose you could say those 2nd Amendment solutions ya'll like are inspiring. Good thing gun laws are so lax, am I right?

/note: this is not advocating anything. Just saying, the idea isn't a new one.

serial_crusher: So how come Democrats get so whiney when Republicans try to cut spending even more? It's only a good thing when Obama does it?

One, Obama's spending cuts have to a larger extent targeted wasteful spending, like pointless jet fighters designed for a next war that is never going to happen. However, most of his spending cuts have been bad too. ALL of the GOP spending cuts are bad.

cmunic8r99: [dumbimages.net image 619x327]

Why are we having this discussion again?

Because it bears repeating. Teabaggers have been screaming about "Obama's spending the country into bankruptcy," Republicans have been pitching the whole "Obama's liberal policies will bankrupt America" meme, and yet the facts, oddly enough, are entirely opposite what's pitched - Obama has, in fact, slowed the growth rate of the government more than any other President since Eisenhower.

That always bears repeating, because otherwise the facts get lost in all of the disingenuous rhetoric spilled forth by people who will cling to their belief system rather than to reality.

I loved how some fact checkers used the GDP as a counter spin. Considering it shrank 10% in 2008 and 2009, President Obama has done fairly well.

FormlessOne: Because it bears repeating. Teabaggers have been screaming about "_______________________________, and yet the facts, oddly enough, are entirely opposite what's pitched

True more than a few times.

It's a sad farking day when liberals are arguing a new baseline for spending should be equal to budget + tarp + stimulus. That is what you are arguing. Spending has not decreased since those supposed one time spending measures went into effect. Even bigger bonus, Obama is using tarp repayments and spending them.

This is why I hate liberalism. Increase the budget even for supposed one time spending and it is the supposed new baseline. Even keynes would laugh at that assertion.

I really, really have been disappointed in the things that President Obama has not been able to get done. He should be able to advance the idea of legalized pot, gay civil union and heterosexual marriage as equally recognized entities in the eyes of the federal government, and secularism.

That said, the comments of "conservatives" against Obama just cement the fact that I will never, ever support one of their candidates.

Why can't the USA find a non-batsh(t crazy Jessie Ventura?

I think that if he had spent more, we would be in much better shape. Heavy spending on infrastructure would have been the best way.

GOP 2012: I reject your reality and substitute my own.

True patriots like Doug McManus know that facts are secondary to what your gut tells you.

MyRandomName: It's a sad farking day when liberals are arguing a new baseline for spending should be equal to budget + tarp + stimulus. That is what you are arguing. Spending has not decreased since those supposed one time spending measures went into effect. Even bigger bonus, Obama is using tarp repayments and spending them.

This is why I hate liberalism. Increase the budget even for supposed one time spending and it is the supposed new baseline. Even keynes would laugh at that assertion.



Uh huh. What was that again?

this claim, which is based on a marketwatch article 3 weeks ago, was debunked last week by several different fact checking orgs (including the Associated Press, Factcheck.org, PolitFact, and The Fact Checker):

So, in sum, the conclusions of "independent fact checkers" are unanimous, even though we reach a similar destination through different routes: The data used in the MarketWatch analysis is flawed in a number of ways - the starting point is wrong, the ending point is misleading and it is not inflation adjusted...

essentially everyone who has looked a this argument has admitted it is complete bullshiat.

Generation_D: St_Francis_P: kid_icarus: And that is why you should never waste your time arguing someone who is so blindly partisan. You will never convince them of anything, since only one of you is having a rational discussion.

But there are lots of moderates and undecideds that might vote either way. That's why it's necessary to counter the GOP's fabrications in a methodical way.

Or you could just shoot the right winger.

*note comment not intended to be taken seriously.

Dude, stop it. Seriously. Just stop it, step away, and take a break for a bit.

The Great EZE: GOP 2012: I reject your reality and substitute my own warped version of reality.

FTFY

LasersHurt: Without reading the thread or comments, I assume the general response is: "Nuh Uh!"

If only the response was even that cogent...

GOP : All hat, no cattle

Owangotang: I really, really have been disappointed in the things that President Obama has not been able to get done. He should be able to advance the idea of legalized pot, gay civil union and heterosexual marriage as equally recognized entities in the eyes of the federal government, and secularism.

That said, the comments of "conservatives" against Obama just cement the fact that I will never, ever support one of their candidates.

Why can't the USA find a non-batsh(t crazy Jessie Ventura?

Well hell, why won't he just ban fossil fuels, completely dismantel the military, replace federal laws with international law, replace every Bible with On the Origin of Species, and have The Fray write our new National Anthem while you're at it?

I don't disagree with what you say but the man does have to be President of the entire United States: the left, the center, and *gulp* the right. Even if he were a solidly-to-the-left Liberal (which he isn't--he's a pragmatic Centrist), you can't get it all in one bite.

sparkeyjames: The Great EZE: GOP 2012: I reject your reality and substitute my own warped version of reality.

FTFY

The Scarlet Witch isn't even canon in this reality!

NewportBarGuy: Mother of god. I just want to pour gasoline on the comments and fire missiles at them.

I'm going to BBQ some burgers and scream how much I hate America at my neighbors.

Well, there was a dose of common sense in there....(from the comments):

Doug- I appreciate you may not like the article, but I'm afraid that it is you who is a bit confused on the facts. For starters, there is a budget passed every year. The 2012 budget was passeé on December 11, 2011. /www.districtdispatch.org/2011/12/congress-passes-fy-2012-budget/. The 2011 budget was passed on April 14, 2010 www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/us/politics/15congress.html. The 2010 budget was passed on April 3, 2009. online.wsj.com/article/SB123870974208284245.html.

I'm not blaming anything on Bush. I'm afraid you can't change the reality that every president comes into office with a first year budget that was passed the year preceding. That is not an opinion- this is a very simple reality. The Obama stimulus was built into the numbers used to arrive at the Obama increases in the budget (please look at the cites on the graph I provided based on CBO numbers.) I suspect that you, like many others, chose to forget that the initial bailouts to save the banks was proposed by President Bush and passed by Congress (remember Henry Paulson- Bush's Sec. of the treasury)
I appreciate that you don't like Obamacare, entitlement programs and the bailouts of the auto industry (although you really do yourself in by calling it a 'theft' as serious conservatives do not characterize the bail outs in this manner) - but that does not change the federal budget numbers. They are what they are. And what about the 2008-2009 Congress? Again, I get that you don't like that Congress but how exactly is that relevant to this article beyond the fact that the 2008 Congress did pass the Bush 2009 budget?

All due respect, maybe you should take look at your research and re-write your comment as you are kind of embarrassing yourself. And if you are going to be wildly off on the facts, you might just be a bit nicer in your criticism as I could have been far more harsh in my response given how completely off you are.

Not hard to have the lowest growth in spending for your first term when it is on the heels of Bush II and the 2006 financial crisis (call it '08 if you will, it started in '06).

I wish I lived in an America where spending cuts were actual reductions in spending, not increasing spending less than you were already planning to.

/I am Unimpressed, and this message is intended to apply to both parties equally, not to carry any kind of partisan message.
//Not in favor of cuts in general, only when/where appropriate. Mostly making a point about how "cuts" don't necessarily reduce spending.

MyRandomName: It's a sad farking day when liberals are arguing a new baseline for spending should be equal to budget + tarp + stimulus. That is what you are arguing. Spending has not decreased since those supposed one time spending measures went into effect. Even bigger bonus, Obama is using tarp repayments and spending them.

This is why I hate liberalism. Increase the budget even for supposed one time spending and it is the supposed new baseline. Even keynes would laugh at that assertion.

If you hate liberalism, how do you feel about the Republican Presidents who have been far more liberal with their spending than Obama and Clinton?

Owangotang: I really, really have been disappointed in the things that President Obama has not been able to get done. He should be able to advance the idea of legalized pot, gay civil union and heterosexual marriage as equally recognized entities in the eyes of the federal government, and secularism.

That said, the comments of "conservatives" against Obama just cement the fact that I will never, ever support one of their candidates.

Why can't the USA find a non-batsh(t crazy Jessie Ventura?

If wanting to be reincarnated as a 38DD bra is wrong, right is a homosexual.

/NTTATWWT

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee259/ShadowMK57/sparkeyjames: The Great EZE: GOP 2012: I reject your reality and substitute my own warped version of reality.

FTFY

He's quoting Adam from Mythbusters. The "warped version of reality" is implied.

Question:

Did the Democratic Congress of Obama's incoming year set a budget?

No?

....

LasersHurt: Without reading the thread or comments, I assume the general response is: "Nuh Uh!"

No, it's more of a "LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"