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2012-06-11 10:16:16 AM  

Richard Flaccid: "Is that exactly what he said subby?"

Is this what it takes to get green lit on Fark, false quotes?


You're right, in this scenario, he did not say exactly that. So the quotes are misleading. What subby wrote however means EXACTLY the same thing as what Romney actually did say.

So please, tell us how your ass is erupting in false equivalency butthurt and we'll tell you to cool in a river of patriotic Eagle tears.
 
2012-06-11 10:23:46 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.

I beg to differ. I live close to the Cherokee Indian Reservation, and the teachers there are federal employees.


Well, I learned something today.


Cletus C.: But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.


1. The federal deficit isn't this big because of teachers / policemen / firefighters.
2. The federal government is essentially borrowing at negative rates right now. This indicates to me that "the reality of the federal deficit" is not nearly as bad as conservatives make it out to be.

Think of it this way -- businesses, investors, retirement funds etc. are INVESTING in the federal government. We should elect leaders and representatives who are willing to do MORE with that money, not LESS.
 
2012-06-11 10:31:55 AM  

propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.


Perhaps you could consider joining the Military, then. With the stellar benefits, including education packages, health care options, firearms training, and help buying a home, it may be your best option, poor people.

Get Rich, Go to Jail, Become a Murder Victim or Join the Military.

Welcome to the new America.
 
2012-06-11 10:39:20 AM  

propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.


What happens when my fire spreads to your property?
 
2012-06-11 10:49:10 AM  

Cletus C.: do not take me seriously: Cletus C.: Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.

Well, actually the federal government has a huge bureaucracy called the Department of Education, multiple layers of law enforcement, firefighters who, among other things, respond to wildfires on federal lands but I get your point.

Also, Obama propped up state and local union workers temporarily with billions in stimulus dollars.

But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.

You are so right, brother. Cut the schools, Cut the police, Cut the fire departments. As long as nobody stops the corn subsidies, and the oil subsidies, or the tax cuts for those making >100,000 a year, or the defense budget, or the no-bid-contract system that dominates the outsourcing of government service to "private contractors"

Slash healthcare- do away with Education completely, expunge the EPA.

I've got myself a hammer, a drill, a pneumatic splitter, and a fiber-optic surgical camera; I'm heading to NYC and I'm gonna find me one of these Randian ubermenches and eat his liver, brain, and heart.

/The surgical camera is so I can find the heart- I assume it's tiny.
//I've also got a very large bottle of hot-sauce

That's what happens when you don't add government jobs?

I may need to reconsider my position.


No, that's how I become an ubermensch. Haven't you read the thread in which you're posting?
 
2012-06-11 10:50:23 AM  
WE ARE WINNING!!!
 
2012-06-11 11:14:04 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: It also occurs to me that Walker and Romney both taking credit for "The Message of Wisconsin" and its actual content, could turn into the most entertaining biatch-fight of the season.


Agreed. I'm already deeply amused that Walker verbally slapped Rmoney like that.

Rmoney, how in the hell can you win in November? People generally aren't excited about Obama, but your own party isn't even excited about you.
 
2012-06-11 11:20:53 AM  
Ben Franklin Wept.
 
2012-06-11 11:27:28 AM  

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


I don't know about you, but I have a garden hose good & ready to fight my own house fires without any big government intervention.

I'm boot strappy.
 
2012-06-11 11:36:44 AM  

Graffito: propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.

What happens when my fire spreads to your property?


The stock of the fire protection company goes up?
 
2012-06-11 11:59:57 AM  

r1chard3: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Back to the good ole days when the fire company would show up at your burning house and leap into action.

Negotiating the fee.

Or even better. Two rival companies would show up and get into a brawl over whose turf your building was in while it burns to the ground.


OR - make a contract with property flippers and insurance companies so that when your property burns down they can move in and buy it can give the fire company their "cut". Even better if you replace "when" with "WHEN" and deal in the arsonists...
 
2012-06-11 12:14:58 PM  
This PR push was a weak counter punch to Obama's already historic fail on the state of the economy.

Obamas are really getting desperate. And, it's only June.
 
2012-06-11 12:31:11 PM  
I mean, teachers, sure, they're just gobbling at the government trough and singlehandedly destroying society, but the dudes with the guns and the hoses?!?! Apparently Romeny didn't learn much from the WI recall because even Scott Walker knew to leave the police and firefighters alone...
 
2012-06-11 12:42:03 PM  
there is plenty of opportunity to cut government elsewhere, but i think what he is saying is it is not political suicide to go after these groups. Voters are informed enough to know that just because you are cutting some teachers or reigning in the unions doesn't mean you are against schools and education. I'd start somewhere else, personally.
 
2012-06-11 12:42:58 PM  
YOUR REPUBLICAN CANIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


Seriously, I know some people say the two party system is more political theatre than true choice, but now this is just WWE levels of insanity.
 
2012-06-11 01:16:52 PM  

Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.


Practical experience. My small business ran an exhibition in downtown Philly. Everything I brought in was on casters, yet they charged $5K to move it from the loading dock to a spot on the convention floor not more than 200 feet away. I watched 3 grown men huddle around a crate that could be rolled by a 100 pound woman. They had to make 3 whole trips to get everything. This kind of crap is par for the course at these events. These are jobs that high schoolers could do for $10 an hour. I understand that there are for more skilled laborers out there but this sort of thing is obscene.

Unions also disgust me because they want to retain people based upon seniority and not merit.
 
2012-06-11 01:19:28 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155433/77400094#c77400094" target="_blank">gaslight</a>:</b> <i>So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?</i>


Rmoney doesn't need those services. his rich friends don't either. as long as they can cut back the government they can pay less and less taxes over time. the government is ruining their lifestyle.

they're getting tired of sending money to the caymen islands and swiss bank accounts to avoid taxes.
 
2012-06-11 01:23:34 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155433/77414728#c77414728" target="_blank">Opeth1429</a>:</b> <i>Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.

Practical experience. My small business ran an exhibition in downtown Philly. Everything I brought in was on casters, yet they charged $5K to move it from the loading dock to a spot on the convention floor not more than 200 feet away. I watched 3 grown men huddle around a crate that could be rolled by a 100 pound woman. They had to make 3 whole trips to get everything. This kind of crap is par for the course at these events. These are jobs that high schoolers could do for $10 an hour. I understand that there are for more skilled laborers out there but this sort of thing is obscene.

Unions also disgust me because they want to retain people based upon seniority and not merit.</i>

Anecdote, check.
Ideology, check.

Opinion noted.
 
2012-06-11 01:43:31 PM  
Hey, Romney is just growing his base.
 
2012-06-11 01:50:53 PM  

leftteffticle: Apparently Romeny didn't learn much from the WI recall because even Scott Walker knew to leave the police and firefighters alone...


Only those officers and firefighers in the deepest throes of denial won't admit that they'll get the same treatment sometime in the next five to ten years.
 
2012-06-11 01:57:50 PM  
Um, duh?!

The Republican party wants to privatize everything. THey are already doing it in Indiana with private education and private prisons.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:31 PM  
It's because retarded scare tactics like this have been used far too long to justify the explosion of big government. Don't want to support some ill-conceived public project? You must want houses to burn down & crime in the streets & no more teachers!

I am also sick of unions threatening to not do their job over some petty demand. Even worse so when they are already well paid, tenured, getting every weekend and holiday off...

The message for unions is do your damn job and be competitive or you might just have to find a job in the real world some day if the taxpayers need to get out of debt.
 
2012-06-11 02:04:33 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: leftteffticle: Apparently Romeny didn't learn much from the WI recall because even Scott Walker knew to leave the police and firefighters alone...

Only those officers and firefighers in the deepest throes of denial won't admit that they'll get the same treatment sometime in the next five to ten years.


Oh most certainly... their constant and continuous presence at all protest events (including the bagpipers leading a procession around the square on Tues night after the results were called), the way in which they handled the protests (no one got beat for no reason in Madison, unlike at Occupy and other similar protest movements) and Mahlon Mitchell's candidacy speak loudly to their understanding that they're just as farked as the rest of us. I spoke with a state trooper from N. WI at the Capitol last year when I was camping out and he told me he's a republican but he was happy to be there even though it meant working 15 hr shifts and sleeping on a cot away from his family because there but for the grace...
 
2012-06-11 02:43:34 PM  

Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldn't mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.


In their day, unions were totally awesome. They utilized the power of unity to force legislative changes that will be felt forever. Things like minimum wages, the 40-hour work week, OSHA regulations- we owe Unions for these, plain and simple. A legacy historic in its proportions.

On the other hand, all of these achievements are decades old. Once Unions achieved these basic minimums, they had to keep providing "advancements" to justify the continued payment of Union Dues, to continue their political power, as well as the luxurious salaries of the Officers. The problem: once you reach a tipping point, then all the "advancements" you achieve are at the cost of the sustainability of the very company you are relying on for your continued employment. When these costs become large enough, it's only a matter of time before the company goes under. When the "company" is a government, either local or regional, the Union effectively has their hands in the pockets of an agency that, by its very definition, has its hands in the pockets of every taxpayer. Not acceptable, at least to me.
 
2012-06-11 02:47:31 PM  

FrailChild: It's because retarded scare tactics like this have been used far too long to justify the explosion of big government. Don't want to support some ill-conceived public project? You must want houses to burn down & crime in the streets & no more teachers!

I am also sick of unions threatening to not do their job over some petty demand. Even worse so when they are already well paid, tenured, getting every weekend and holiday off...

The message for unions is do your damn job and be competitive or you might just have to find a job in the real world some day if the taxpayers need to get out of debt.


You're right. I never seen a cop, firefighter, teacher, carpenter or plumber do a lick of work except Monday through Friday, 9-5. You never see a cop out on a Saturday night working. Firefighters just let houses burn to the ground on holidays. Teachers never grade papers or attend seminars unless it's on that taxpayer's dime. If your pipes burst on a weekend, good luck getting any plumber to come and do an emergency repair.

Yup. They're all the same, every last one of them.
 
2012-06-11 03:18:22 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldn't mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.

In their day, unions were totally awesome. They utilized the power of unity to force legislative changes that will be felt forever. Things like minimum wages, the 40-hour work week, OSHA regulations- we owe Unions for these, plain and simple. A legacy historic in its proportions.

On the other hand, all of these achievements are decades old. Once Unions achieved these basic minimums, they had to keep providing "advancements" to justify the continued payment of Union Dues, to continue their political power, as well as the luxurious salaries of the Officers. The problem: once you reach a tipping point, then all the "advancements" you achieve are at the cost of the sustainability of the very company you are relying on for your continued employment. When these costs become large enough, it's only a matter of time before the company goes under. When the "company" is a government, either local or regional, the Union effectively has their hands in the pockets of an agency that, by its very definition, has its hands in the pockets of every taxpayer. Not acceptable, at least to me.


Yea, unions are bad now, because workers have it great. That's why our wages haven't been going up and all the growth in the country goes towards management: because unions representing the worker are just too darn powerful and overreaching.
 
2012-06-11 03:35:00 PM  
So we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police? I don't get the troll-tastic headline. Hard to bite down on this one.
 
2012-06-11 03:50:11 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar:

There could be some validity to a few of the richer people out here leaned on their alders because they felt 'the wrong people" were getting busted; the GF works for another dept. so they all know someone in another place out there. I worked out there for about six months and even my boss (an Am Fam agent as Republican as they came) cautioned not to even do 28 in a 25.


Birch, please.
 
2012-06-11 03:52:11 PM  

Wook: So we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police? I don't get the troll-tastic headline. Hard to bite down on this one.


"He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

One of two things are possible here.

1. "Cut back on government" here does not mean reducing the number of teachers, police officers and firefighters, in which case the statement is a non-sequitur.

Or

2. "Cut back on government" *does* mean reducing the number of teachers, police officers and firefighters. This is not "we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police." This is "we need to have fewer teachers, fire fighters and police."

Rmoney's message was #2. Because (as others have said) the unions have too much power, which is why all of the new income goes to management and investors, rather than workers. Because unions are too powerful. Unions. Too powerful. Bankers. Too regulated.

And the second the crime rate ticks up even slightly, Rmoney will start shrieking that Obama has gutted our law enforcement agencies, and that is the reason for the soaring crime rate.

Also, the right loves to make the point, "You could take away every penny from every millionaire and you wouldn't even dent the deficit." But they apparently believe that reducing the number of teachers, police and firefighters will dent it.

This Is Your Modern Republican Party.
 
2012-06-11 03:56:34 PM  

Smackledorfer:

Yea, unions are bad now, because workers have it great. That's why our wages haven't been going up and all the growth in the country goes towards management: because unions representing the worker are just too darn powerful and overreaching.


The flaw in your sarcasm is that you are alluding to the fact that unions represent the worker. While that was true in the past, the unions of today are nothing but a bunch of bloodsucking lawyers that claim to represent the workers, while finding bigger and better ways to line their pockets. The union leaders of today are the politicians that we'll be biatching about tomorrow...
 
2012-06-11 04:00:11 PM  
FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR A NEW TOMORROW!!!
 
2012-06-11 04:10:46 PM  

cabbyman: FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR A NEW TOMORROW!!!


Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose... WELCOME TO TOMORROW!
 
2012-06-11 04:20:55 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-11 04:37:41 PM  

Wook: So we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police?


Yes. They do not represent successful God-Tier professions (see=engineering). They must be marginalized and thinned from our ranks.
 
2012-06-11 04:41:09 PM  

REO-Weedwagon: The mental gymnastics needed to embrace a Don't Tread On Me sign while simultaneously bowing down to corporate power is a f*cking mental disorder. The same way we look back at burning witches with amazement, hundreds of years from now whatever society is around will look back at us and wonder how propaganda controlled humanity.
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According to the late Dwayne McDuffie, you can thank Orson Welles and his Mercury Theatre radio play show for that. Their War of the Worlds broadcast is what demonstrated to wannabe demagogues just how willing people are to believe anything that comes to them via the media. And that was radio!
 
2012-06-11 05:33:50 PM  
Hey, my town got rid of its one man police department... cost us 100k to pay off his pension plan.

Seriously, our cop wrote maybe a handful of tickets every year and basically only went to the schools for the drug awareness programs.

It was funny at the boro council meeting when someone asked why we had a cop when the state police barracks are 4 miles from town.. and pretty much every 911 call was handled by them...

We have a lot of people working jobs that do not go toward the end goal of protecting us or educating our kids.. its time to re-access things because obviously the status qua isn't working.
 
2012-06-11 07:16:44 PM  
I'm a Pinkerton, so I'm getting a kick out of...

/PINO
 
2012-06-11 08:13:23 PM  

leftteffticle: Oh most certainly... their constant and continuous presence at all protest events (including the bagpipers leading a procession around the square on Tues night after the results were called), the way in which they handled the protests (no one got beat for no reason in Madison, unlike at Occupy and other similar protest movements) and Mahlon Mitchell's candidacy speak loudly to their understanding that they're just as farked as the rest of us. I spoke with a state trooper from N. WI at the Capitol last year when I was camping out and he told me he's a republican but he was happy to be there even though it meant working 15 hr shifts and sleeping on a cot away from his family because there but for the grace...


I just wonder if they put it into the 2013-14 budget or wait until 2015-16 and hope that either Walker is strong enough to survive a run from the Democrats or he's already getting hooked into something in DC.
 
2012-06-11 10:54:51 PM  

XyzzyBob: Smackledorfer:

Yea, unions are bad now, because workers have it great. That's why our wages haven't been going up and all the growth in the country goes towards management: because unions representing the worker are just too darn powerful and overreaching.

The flaw in your sarcasm is that you are alluding to the fact that unions represent the worker. While that was true in the past, the unions of today are nothing but a bunch of bloodsucking lawyers that claim to represent the workers, while finding bigger and better ways to line their pockets. The union leaders of today are the politicians that we'll be biatching about tomorrow...


I'm in a union. I've called on it a couple times and it's been to my benefit. It nice having one in an at will state.

Ymmv.
 
2012-06-12 12:57:54 AM  

bestie1: the protected classes



Yeah those rich fat cat teachers making 50k a year and teaching your kids so they don't grow up to be failures like you

GTFO
 
2012-06-12 12:59:01 AM  

bugontherug: intelligent comment below: Uh huh. And the lowering of crime rates in the 90s had nothing to do with more economic gains for lower classes and more job opportunities? Not to mention the record number of criminals locked in jail for even minor offenses.

Nobody said those weren't contributing factors to lower crime rates in the 90's. They said abortion was also a contributing factor.

And of course it was, because fewer unwanted children meant fewer overwhelmed parents to inflict the sorts of childhood traumas which damage the developing brain, contributing to adult criminality.

Just because empirical reality angers you, doesn't mean you shouldn't acknowledge it. That's a character disorder right there. Probably arising from brain damage sustained in some early childhood trauma.



You're writing a whole lot of bullshiat to justify a position that has no actual factual backing in reality

A simple "I was wrong" would have sufficed.
 
2012-06-12 01:00:18 AM  

bestie1: When times are tough everyone has to tighten their belt. The fat is long gone.



Except billionaires and millionaires. They need TAX CUTS and all the financial help they can get!
 
2012-06-12 01:05:51 AM  

FrailChild: the explosion of big government.



citation needed
 
2012-06-12 02:17:48 AM  

intelligent comment below: Except billionaires and millionaires. They need TAX CUTS and all the financial help they can get!


i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-12 05:08:26 AM  
mikelamonica.files.wordpress.com

THIS IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO BEAR.

WHY?

WHAT DID I DO WRONG?
 
2012-06-12 05:31:26 AM  

Kittypie070: [mikelamonica.files.wordpress.com image 382x295]

THIS IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO BEAR.

WHY?

WHAT DID I DO WRONG?


Don't you see? The man obviously wasn't bootstrappy enough to start his own private fire fighting company, hire illegl imigrants for sub-minimum wage, contribute to the tax base and strive to become a one percenter! It's simple really. ;)
 
2012-06-12 09:26:50 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Fark Romney. He's an idiot. Sometimes, Republicans, money takes a back seat to a person's intellect, and, let's face it! You're trying to elect America's first retarded president.


Don't forget The Cowboy in Chief. I sometimes lie awake at night wondering why people would elect a grown man, who isn't a cowboy but likes to wear cowboy hats.



www.posters57.com

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2012-06-12 06:57:05 PM  

kg2095: Don't forget The Cowboy in Chief. I sometimes lie awake at night wondering why people would elect a grown man, who isn't a cowboy but likes to wear cowboy hats.


You should hold that thought until some erstwhile Farker cheerfully admits he supported Reagan back in the day.

Happens occasionally.
 
2012-06-12 07:28:52 PM  
[sort of listlessly gums BigDogDaddy by politely refraining from deploying teeth]
 
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