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2012-06-10 06:09:00 PM
So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?
 
2012-06-10 06:10:23 PM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Not Romney, I'm pretty sure.
 
2012-06-10 06:11:15 PM
Strange considering that Walker didn't target police and firefighters. I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.
 
2012-06-10 06:18:10 PM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?



Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.
 
2012-06-10 06:20:59 PM
Hes special.
 
2012-06-10 06:21:38 PM

GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.


He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.
 
2012-06-10 06:23:24 PM

kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.


Corporations. Because "corporations are people, my friend."
 
2012-06-10 06:24:06 PM
There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.
 
2012-06-10 06:25:39 PM
OK - now they're just punking us. Police and Fire are the two absolute untouchables of the government world - and teachers are not far behind.

Jesus Hussein Kreist.
 
2012-06-10 06:32:14 PM

Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.


He probably owns a couple of private security groups.
 
2012-06-10 06:49:52 PM
It also occurs to me that Walker and Romney both taking credit for "The Message of Wisconsin" and its actual content, could turn into the most entertaining biatch-fight of the season.
 
2012-06-10 06:52:03 PM

GAT_00: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

He probably owns a couple of private security groups.


No no, he knows people who own private security groups.
 
2012-06-10 06:56:38 PM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Teaching is the family and churches responsiblity, Law enforcement private security and of coures Danites. Putting out fires well as long as you go to church and pray enough there will be no fires.
 
2012-06-10 07:04:34 PM
My spelling sucks today, sorry.
 
2012-06-10 07:07:50 PM
Asbestos can make any Galt's Gulch mostly fireproof. No fire department needed, smaller government, etc
 
2012-06-10 07:37:27 PM

Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.


THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.
 
2012-06-10 07:41:49 PM

propasaurus: THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.


It seems we really are headed down the path of being modern serfs.
 
2012-06-10 07:49:50 PM

propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.


Well, why should rich people pay taxes because some people can't afford private security and sprinkler systems?
 
2012-06-10 07:50:19 PM

dorko16: propasaurus: THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.

It seems we really are headed down the path of being modern serfs.


That's what capitalism is unless you moderate it with what are usually called socialist tendencies and safeguards. Just neo-Feudalism.

I'm tempted to repost whole a section from Blue Mars that says this a lot better than I can.
 
2012-06-10 07:54:39 PM
Fark Romney. He's an idiot. Sometimes, Republicans, money takes a back seat to a person's intellect, and, let's face it! You're trying to elect America's first retarded president.
 
2012-06-10 08:03:36 PM

GAT_00: That's what capitalism is unless you moderate it with what are usually called socialist tendencies and safeguards. Just neo-Feudalism.


It's exceptionally frustrating not to be able to even have a real discussion about it. As soon as the topic is brought up the shills barge in to shiat up the thread and squash the conversation.
 
2012-06-10 08:20:53 PM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Romney. He's an idiot. Sometimes, Republicans, money takes a back seat to a person's intellect, and, let's face it! You're trying to elect America's first retarded president.


Ahem.

i1214.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-10 08:57:01 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Vodka Zombie: Fark Romney. He's an idiot. Sometimes, Republicans, money takes a back seat to a person's intellect, and, let's face it! You're trying to elect America's first retarded president.

Ahem.


Lol! Okay. America's SECOND. Or, maybe Third (I always forget Reagan. I think I just block those years from my memory).
 
2012-06-10 09:17:10 PM
"not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?
 
2012-06-10 09:18:50 PM

eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US.


No, no, no -- can't you see that Romney actually wants to fire every single police officer, firefighter and teacher in the country? That's the only possible meaning.
 
2012-06-10 09:27:18 PM
Privatize the police and fire departments

/that worked so well in the 19th century
//and fits right in with the GOP "Forward, into the past" agenda
 
2012-06-10 09:31:22 PM

serial_crusher: "not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?


If there's increased demand but not increased hiring, or lack of funding for current levels (as is the case), than yes, not hiring more = getting rid of.
 
2012-06-10 09:35:39 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Privatize the police and fire departments

/that worked so well in the 19th century
//and fits right in with the GOP "Forward, into the past" agenda


Good thing Pinkerton is still around. I was appalled the first time I saw a security seal with their name.
 
2012-06-10 09:43:31 PM

serial_crusher: "not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?


Attrition?
 
2012-06-10 09:48:05 PM
um...didn't we give a lot of cops a bunch of milspec weapons and gear for free? you might want to get all those guns back before you fire all the cops and tell 'em to go pound sand.
 
2012-06-10 09:48:21 PM

GAT_00: Strange considering that Walker didn't target police and firefighters. I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.


Funnier that Walker claims that he protected teachers, along with the cops and fire.
LOL
 
2012-06-10 10:02:37 PM

eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.


the number of police is correct for the current war on the US citizens. You need that many cops to continue arresting the small businessmen who are in the consensual crime businesses.
legalize drugs and the number of cops, POs, DAs, jailers, prison guards, judges, courts, farking SMALLER GOVERNMENT


I would love to see someone ask Romney if he is truly for smaller government and getting the feds off of the states back, why isnt he for legalizing all drugs???

LOL
 
2012-06-10 10:11:46 PM
He just gets off on people losing their jobs. That's all he does.
 
2012-06-10 10:35:41 PM
And Walker's not ready to call Wisconsin for Romney either. In fact, he criticized the Republican nominee for spending too much time railing against Obama and not enough time outlining his own policies.

Anyone flying may want keep an out for pigs since I agree on Walker on something.

The whole thing with Wisconsin, Walker and the recall had nothing to do with Government workers themselves, or their physical jobs, but rather the Unions they are part of.

Romney complains that Obama is "out of touch with America" this article just prove that Romney is just as bad.
 
2012-06-10 11:10:34 PM

Lorelle: He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.


I'm sure that Blackwater Xe Academi is looking for a way to get back on the government teat...

Who do you think Erik Prince is donating to this election cycle?
 
2012-06-10 11:21:38 PM
Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.
 
2012-06-10 11:29:56 PM

Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.


Because socialisms.
 
2012-06-10 11:34:05 PM

ksdanj: I'm sure that Blackwater Xe Academi is looking for a way to get back on the government teat...

Who do you think Erik Prince is donating to this election cycle?


What do you mean "back on"? They're one of the government's three largest contractors.
 
2012-06-11 12:12:15 AM

Sensei Can You See: eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US.

No, no, no -- can't you see that Romney actually wants to fire every single police officer, firefighter and teacher in the country? That's the only possible meaning.


farking shill. You bought his bullshiat that there are too many cops without question.
 
2012-06-11 12:13:33 AM
Run on getting rid of firemen. Americans hate firemen.
 
2012-06-11 12:13:43 AM

Ambivalence: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Not Romney, I'm pretty sure.


If Romney had to, he would most certainly get a couple of deferments to get out of it.
 
2012-06-11 12:14:19 AM

namatad: GAT_00: Strange considering that Walker didn't target police and firefighters. I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

Funnier that Walker claims that he protected teachers, along with the cops and fire.
LOL


The motherfarker claimed that class sized went down and loss of teachers went down. If people can just lie on their ads how do we have any recourse? Is this how Democracy dies?
 
2012-06-11 12:14:42 AM
Add me to the "Do It!" list. We're not even to go through the trouble of constructing guillotines Willard. Duck shaped, raping robots equipped with pneumatic spikes, maybe; if we happen upon you and a star league cache of lego mindstorms at the same time.
 
2012-06-11 12:15:20 AM

spongeboob: serial_crusher: "not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?

Attrition?


Also early retirement because that motherfarker is killing pensions.
 
2012-06-11 12:17:20 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


The invisible hand of the free market will take care of everything, consumer.
 
2012-06-11 12:17:47 AM
Mildly ironic given at least two cities in Waukesha County are debating getting rid of parts if not all of their police forces. Then they find out that the Sheriff's Dept. takes an extra three minutes on average in response time and all of sudden they're back in their good graces.
 
2012-06-11 12:18:23 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Home schooling. Right to bear arms. Get yourself a bucket and fill it up with water.

The rich people want to keep more of their money. They don't want to pay taxes any more. This means that we all have to be a lot more bootstrappy.

You folks keep voting these assholes into office. Get used to it.
 
2012-06-11 12:22:56 AM

teto85: kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.

Corporations. Because "corporations are people, my friend."



And they'll only put out fires, stop criminals, and teach children, for those who can pay. The idea of public good and compassion for ones neighbors will be burnt out of society in order to obtain maximum profitability and production at the lowest possible cost to the owners by systematically turning people into a helpless and unquestioning workforce.
 
2012-06-11 12:23:14 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Mildly ironic given at least two cities in Waukesha County are debating getting rid of parts if not all of their police forces. Then they find out that the Sheriff's Dept. takes an extra three minutes on average in response time and all of sudden they're back in their good graces.


Oh please, oh please, oh please.
 
2012-06-11 12:24:25 AM

Fark Me To Tears: You folks keep voting these assholes into office. Get used to it


What do you mean "You folks"?
 
2012-06-11 12:26:36 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


The free market, of course
 
2012-06-11 12:26:44 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Privatize the cops, fire and teachers.
 
2012-06-11 12:27:38 AM
that was RomneyBot 2.0, a liberal plant reprogrammed and sent back in time to protect John Connor from the real RomneyBot by saying dumb stuff
 
2012-06-11 12:27:38 AM

Bucky Katt: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Privatize the cops, fire and teachers.


IYAMDALAW!
 
2012-06-11 12:27:39 AM

Sabyen91: Ken VeryBigLiar: Mildly ironic given at least two cities in Waukesha County are debating getting rid of parts if not all of their police forces. Then they find out that the Sheriff's Dept. takes an extra three minutes on average in response time and all of sudden they're back in their good graces.

Oh please, oh please, oh please.


New Berlin already did the study on canning all the clerks and dispatchers- $9MM in savings...over 10 years. The chief was all gung-ho to throw them under the bus (many of them applied for jobs in surrounding cities) but now people find out the County is slower and that the officers might be next? Not so much.

If most of the cities and towns in Waukesha County weren't so spread out it might work but in the current places the County handles the heavy lifting (like Oconomowoc and other parts in the west) it's been said the difference is appreciable.
 
2012-06-11 12:27:52 AM
We can't cut the budget too fast. Things will go badly so we should only bust the unions like good GOPers.

Mitt Romney: if you take a trillion dollars, for instance, out of the first year of the federal budget, that would shrink GDP over 5%. That is by definition throwing us into recession or depression.  So I'm not going to do that, of course.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/romneys-big-fat-wet-kiss-to-keyn e sian-economics.html

/1924: Stalin bans all free trade unions and outlaws strikes.
1929: Mussolini guts trade unions and puts them under corporate and government control.
1933: Hitler abolishes collective bargaining, trade unions and arrests their leaders.
 
2012-06-11 12:29:26 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Sabyen91: Ken VeryBigLiar: Mildly ironic given at least two cities in Waukesha County are debating getting rid of parts if not all of their police forces. Then they find out that the Sheriff's Dept. takes an extra three minutes on average in response time and all of sudden they're back in their good graces.

Oh please, oh please, oh please.

New Berlin already did the study on canning all the clerks and dispatchers- $9MM in savings...over 10 years. The chief was all gung-ho to throw them under the bus (many of them applied for jobs in surrounding cities) but now people find out the County is slower and that the officers might be next? Not so much.

If most of the cities and towns in Waukesha County weren't so spread out it might work but in the current places the County handles the heavy lifting (like Oconomowoc and other parts in the west) it's been said the difference is appreciable.


How farking stupid are they? Oh, never mind. The suburbs don't believe in government. I expect schadenfreud.
 
2012-06-11 12:30:27 AM

namatad: I would love to see someone ask Romney if he is truly for smaller government and getting the feds off of the states back, why isnt he for legalizing all drugs???


Your post clearly outlines the problem with our current system.

Drugs are a sin. You would have known that if you were educated privately by your church instead of making others pay for your public "education".
 
2012-06-11 12:30:46 AM

kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.


Atlas Shrugged, part 2

angryflower.com
 
2012-06-11 12:31:34 AM
oops. i only meant to post the link. i don't want to use up Bob's bandwidth.

Sorry about that.
 
2012-06-11 12:32:38 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK - now they're just punking us. Police and Fire are the two absolute untouchables of the government world - and teachers are not far behind.

Jesus Hussein Kreist.


teachers are union thugs. don't you watch fox?
 
2012-06-11 12:33:12 AM

Bucky Katt: oops. i only meant to post the link. i don't want to use up Bob's bandwidth.

Sorry about that.


That makes me angry.
 
2012-06-11 12:33:44 AM
Might as well just do this to the middle class

nsfw
 
2012-06-11 12:36:03 AM
No jokes yet about the police and fire departments being bought, loaded heavy with debt, broken up and sold for profit?
 
2012-06-11 12:38:28 AM

Weaver95: um...didn't we give a lot of cops a bunch of milspec weapons and gear for free? you might want to get all those guns back before you fire all the cops and tell 'em to go pound sand.


Don't worry, I'm sure Mittens wants to lower their unemployment benefits so they can't afford the ammo.
 
2012-06-11 12:39:00 AM

Sabyen91: How farking stupid are they? Oh, never mind. The suburbs don't believe in government. I expect schadenfreud.


Yeah, I was amazed how many cities out in the west of the county don't have full-time forces. Most of them have people on first shift (say 7-3 or 7-7) then they switch to the county for everything else. And some of those guys practically share the bullet. The western end of the county has a lot of swag houses and properties. You'd think they could go for at least keeping real cops around instead of relying on Deputy Dewey and his flashlight to keep the peace.
 
2012-06-11 12:39:37 AM
Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.
 
2012-06-11 12:39:51 AM
Romney doesn't know what a chocolate donut is Link
 
2012-06-11 12:40:09 AM

ksdanj: Who do you think Erik Prince is donating to this election cycle?



His Muslim oil rich overlord protectors keeping him safe in some shiat hole sand trap in the middle east.

farking hypocrite coward.
 
2012-06-11 12:40:09 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Sabyen91: How farking stupid are they? Oh, never mind. The suburbs don't believe in government. I expect schadenfreud.

Yeah, I was amazed how many cities out in the west of the county don't have full-time forces. Most of them have people on first shift (say 7-3 or 7-7) then they switch to the county for everything else. And some of those guys practically share the bullet. The western end of the county has a lot of swag houses and properties. You'd think they could go for at least keeping real cops around instead of relying on Deputy Dewey and his flashlight to keep the peace.


Burn motherfarkers, burn.
 
2012-06-11 12:40:42 AM

verbaltoxin: No jokes yet about the police and fire departments being bought, loaded heavy with debt, broken up and sold for profit?


It's no joke. That's Mitt's actual plan.
 
2012-06-11 12:40:44 AM

The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.


No.
 
2012-06-11 12:41:02 AM

GAT_00: dorko16: propasaurus: THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.

It seems we really are headed down the path of being modern serfs.

That's what capitalism is unless you moderate it with what are usually called socialist tendencies and safeguards. Just neo-Feudalism.

I'm tempted to repost whole a section from Blue Mars that says this a lot better than I can.


Please don't. That book was overstuffed and deathly dull.
 
2012-06-11 12:41:14 AM
Is it too much to ask that a quote be in the linked article? Do people really not understand the purpose of quotation marks?

"I still look at him as this is the boy that I met, in high school, when he was pulling all the jokes, and really just being crazy. Pretty crazy. So there's a wild and crazy man inside of him ... just waiting to come out."

www.glittarazzi.com
 
2012-06-11 12:42:33 AM

Coelacanth: Romney doesn't know what a chocolate donut is Link


Pshaw. That was back on the 15.6 release of Romnix when it was still using GNOME 2.0. The latest distro has full donut identification packages installed by default!
 
2012-06-11 12:42:44 AM
Their servers as shyte tonight
 
2012-06-11 12:42:51 AM

The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.


You might want to check the exit polls again.
 
2012-06-11 12:43:36 AM

Sabyen91: Ken VeryBigLiar: Mildly ironic given at least two cities in Waukesha County are debating getting rid of parts if not all of their police forces. Then they find out that the Sheriff's Dept. takes an extra three minutes on average in response time and all of sudden they're back in their good graces.

Oh please, oh please, oh please.


I think one Waukesha County community (City of Pewaukee) got rid of their police force because they broke the Golden Rule of Waukesha Policing; that is they pulled over and hassled the white people as well as the black folks from Milwaukee
 
2012-06-11 12:44:00 AM

Coelacanth: Romney doesn't know what a chocolate donut is Link


That guy just oozes insincerity. He's also the whitist white man since Felix Unger.
 
2012-06-11 12:45:53 AM

eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.


::looks at crime rates from twenty years ago::

::looks at crime rates now::

::eyes eurotader suspiciously::

Watchootalkinbout Willis?
 
2012-06-11 12:49:43 AM

Sabyen91:

How farking stupid are they? Oh, never mind. The suburbs don't believe in government. I expect schadenfreud.


Pretty stupid actually, and I think deep down they do believe in government, they just don't want to pay for it: those schools, libraries, parks, and police departments (that they depend on to keep the ni-BOOOONGS out) I guess they want to come from pixie dust. Not to mention all the highway improvements so they don't get stuck in traffic living 30 miles away from work
 
2012-06-11 12:49:53 AM

cmb53208: Sabyen91: Ken VeryBigLiar: Mildly ironic given at least two cities in Waukesha County are debating getting rid of parts if not all of their police forces. Then they find out that the Sheriff's Dept. takes an extra three minutes on average in response time and all of sudden they're back in their good graces.

Oh please, oh please, oh please.

I think one Waukesha County community (City of Pewaukee) got rid of their police force because they broke the Golden Rule of Waukesha Policing; that is they pulled over and hassled the white people as well as the black folks from Milwaukee


I hope they all do it. They deserve all the bad things that would happen to them.
 
2012-06-11 12:51:18 AM

cmb53208: Sabyen91:

How farking stupid are they? Oh, never mind. The suburbs don't believe in government. I expect schadenfreud.

Pretty stupid actually, and I think deep down they do believe in government, they just don't want to pay for it: those schools, libraries, parks, and police departments (that they depend on to keep the ni-BOOOONGS out) I guess they want to come from pixie dust. Not to mention all the highway improvements so they don't get stuck in traffic living 30 miles away from work


They don't even have the Florida stand your ground laws. I am not a criminal but dammit I could use a big screen TV.
 
2012-06-11 12:53:33 AM

eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.


You may well be right, but we both know that's not at all what he meant. Also, while there may be too many cops, 70% of all fire departments are partially or fully volunteer; cutting firemen is going to hurt people who really can't afford the pain.
 
2012-06-11 12:54:11 AM
The free market will decide which fires get put out, and which aggravated domestic batteries get stopped, and _____, and _____, and _____, etc.

What a wonderful society we're working towards.
 
2012-06-11 12:54:17 AM
Republican platform: Decrease the size of the government by firing police, teachers, and firemen NOT politicians, bureaucrats, and bureaucratic waste.

Strange policy platform.
 
2012-06-11 12:54:19 AM
Will this guy last thru October...? Likely he is gone by November.
 
2012-06-11 12:54:47 AM

cmb53208: Pretty stupid actually, and I think deep down they do believe in government, they just don't want to pay for it: those schools, libraries, parks, and police departments (that they depend on to keep the ni-BOOOONGS out) I guess they want to come from pixie dust. Not to mention all the highway improvements so they don't get stuck in traffic living 30 miles away from work


If that's the case Menomonee Falls is failing badly, there's been a huge migration down Appleton Ave out to them. They don't mind it when they get a kid recruited to play basketball in the ACC but otherwise...

Pewaukee also got "the death penalty" more for their shady characters from top to bottom than arresting white guys with the better part of a case of Spotted Cow in them.
 
2012-06-11 12:54:51 AM
"None of what's ahead will be easy. What isn't needed will be cut. And, unfortunately, some of what is needed will be cut, too."

-Former loser Wisconsin governor Jim Doyle.

citation please
 
2012-06-11 12:57:23 AM

Sabyen91: They don't even have the Florida stand your ground laws. I am not a criminal but dammit I could use a big screen TV.


Don't tell that to the kid in West Bend who tried to run from an underage party and walked into the neighbor's enclosed porch and caught a chestful of .12 gauge. It was pretty much the first test of Castle Doctrine out here. Pretty senseless was to avoid a $250 ticket.
 
2012-06-11 12:57:45 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."


For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!
 
2012-06-11 12:59:51 AM
Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?
 
2012-06-11 12:59:53 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: Sabyen91: They don't even have the Florida stand your ground laws. I am not a criminal but dammit I could use a big screen TV.

Don't tell that to the kid in West Bend who tried to run from an underage party and walked into the neighbor's enclosed porch and caught a chestful of .12 gauge. It was pretty much the first test of Castle Doctrine out here. Pretty senseless was to avoid a $250 ticket.


Stop being such giant pussies you right wing tools!
 
2012-06-11 01:00:38 AM
I wish someone could hack into Romney's cloud server and find out what metric is used to determine the correct height of trees and why they are located in Michigan.
 
2012-06-11 01:01:09 AM

Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!


You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.
 
2012-06-11 01:02:34 AM

farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.


Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.
 
2012-06-11 01:03:25 AM
Scott Walker pwnt you stinky hippies in the face!
 
2012-06-11 01:03:35 AM

JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?


Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?
 
2012-06-11 01:03:58 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.


Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.
 
2012-06-11 01:05:04 AM

cabbyman: Scott Walker pwnt you stinky hippies in the face!


Great! Scott Walker pwned poor people! You win! farktard.
 
2012-06-11 01:05:19 AM

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.

Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.


Just put me on your "list." That's what all the hard core lefties do.
 
2012-06-11 01:05:43 AM

farkin_Gary: JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?


It is sad that he was so much more intelligent than you.
 
2012-06-11 01:06:06 AM

serial_crusher: "not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?


"cut back on" == "getting rid of"

"He says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." ~ MC Mittens R-money
 
2012-06-11 01:06:24 AM

farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.

Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.

Just put me on your "list." That's what all the hard core lefties do.


How pussyish can you be? Do you want to cry some more?
 
2012-06-11 01:06:59 AM
Romney should have just finished with "and whatever other union jobs there might be out there" to fully flesh out his thoughts.
 
2012-06-11 01:08:21 AM

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

It is sad that he was so much more intelligent than you.


Flip that ad hominem, It's done on this side.
 
2012-06-11 01:08:21 AM

Sabyen91: cabbyman: Scott Walker pwnt you stinky hippies in the face!

Great! Scott Walker pwned poor people! You win! farktard.


La la la, butthurt!
La la la, butthurt!
Just because you lost you don't have to be a squirt!
 
2012-06-11 01:08:29 AM

The Name: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.

Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.


I take it you didn't read the article. "The guy" rebuked Romney's statement.
 
2012-06-11 01:08:30 AM
What kind of a country would we be without police, firefighters, or teachers?

A: AFGHANISTAN!

cache2.allpostersimages.com
 
2012-06-11 01:09:17 AM

skepticultist: eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.

::looks at crime rates from twenty years ago::

::looks at crime rates now::

::eyes eurotader suspiciously::

Watchootalkinbout Willis?


The crime rate decline of the 90's could just as easily be explained by the legalization of abortion. That is if you believe the theories espoused in Freakonomics. He actually covers most of the prevailing theories, and the increase in number of police officers is far from the most compelling reason.
 
2012-06-11 01:09:34 AM

farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

It is sad that he was so much more intelligent than you.

Flip that ad hominem, It's done on this side.


cabbyman: Sabyen91: cabbyman: Scott Walker pwnt you stinky hippies in the face!

Great! Scott Walker pwned poor people! You win! farktard.

La la la, butthurt!
La la la, butthurt!
Just because you lost you don't have to be a squirt!


Oh look, douchebags.
 
2012-06-11 01:09:54 AM

farkin_Gary: Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?


Benjamin Franklin was an autodidact... of course you knew that and that is why you said, 'formal'.

Care to answer my questions or you just going to keep playing disingenuous word games?
 
2012-06-11 01:10:24 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.

Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.

I take it you didn't read the article. "The guy" rebuked Romney's statement.


I think I have a couple of them on my dick, too.
 
2012-06-11 01:11:15 AM
If we cut back on policemen, there will be more 2nd hand police uniforms for Romney to wear.
 
2012-06-11 01:12:05 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.

Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.

I take it you didn't read the article. "The guy" rebuked Romney's statement.


Actions speak louder than words.
 
2012-06-11 01:12:18 AM

farkin_Gary: JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?


www.mememaker.net
 
2012-06-11 01:13:41 AM
This will only stay in the pundit conversation until Obama has his weekly slip of the tongue on Wednesday, followed by Romney saying something else dumb the following Monday. And so on, for the next five months. Enjoy.
 
2012-06-11 01:13:49 AM

The Name: downpaymentblues: The Name: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.

Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.

I take it you didn't read the article. "The guy" rebuked Romney's statement.

Actions speak louder than words.


Are you saying Walker is a liar?
 
2012-06-11 01:15:16 AM

dehehn: skepticultist: eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.

::looks at crime rates from twenty years ago::

::looks at crime rates now::

::eyes eurotader suspiciously::

Watchootalkinbout Willis?

The crime rate decline of the 90's could just as easily be explained by the legalization of abortion. That is if you believe the theories espoused in Freakonomics. He actually covers most of the prevailing theories, and the increase in number of police officers is far from the most compelling reason.


Abortion was legalized in the 1960s. How in the world would something from nearly 30 years prior have that drastic of an impact on the crime rates of the 90s. If you credited for a drop in crime in the 80s, you might have a point, but not for the 90s.
 
2012-06-11 01:16:15 AM

JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?


Of course increased knowledge is a good thing. I don't advocate a dilution of learning opportunities. Yet, the greatness upon which today's society is built was largely accomplished by a generation of good folks who had no more than high school diplomas and vocational certifications.
 
2012-06-11 01:16:39 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: downpaymentblues: The Name: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.

Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.

I take it you didn't read the article. "The guy" rebuked Romney's statement.

Actions speak louder than words.

Are you saying Walker is a liar?


I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.
 
2012-06-11 01:17:31 AM

I created this alt just for this thread: farkin_Gary: JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

[www.mememaker.net image 400x300]


Yeah, really stupid.
 
2012-06-11 01:17:38 AM

sprgrss: Abortion was legalized in the 1960s. How in the world would something from nearly 30 years prior have that drastic of an impact on the crime rates of the 90s. If you credited for a drop in crime in the 80s, you might have a point, but not for the 90s.


Abortion rates didn't become prevalent until the 70's. Those non-existent kids would be crime committing adults in the 90's.
 
2012-06-11 01:17:56 AM

sprgrss: Abortion was legalized in the 1960s. How in the world would something from nearly 30 years prior have that drastic of an impact on the crime rates of the 90s. If you credited for a drop in crime in the 80s, you might have a point, but not for the 90s.


Roe v Wade decision was 1973.
 
2012-06-11 01:18:44 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: downpaymentblues: The Name: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The Name: Well, I think we can safely say that Romney just won Wisconsin.

You might want to check the exit polls again.

Yeah, the guy who's made a name for himself implementing these policies won.

I take it you didn't read the article. "The guy" rebuked Romney's statement.

Actions speak louder than words.

Are you saying Walker is a liar?


Hahahahaha! fark you.
 
2012-06-11 01:19:10 AM

I created this alt just for this thread: What's your problem, sparky?


That's the thing... I think he is going for satire, but it's really dumb satire so the lines between stupidity and satire get a bit fuzzy. My guess... just a troll.

I actually hope someone answers the questions or even one of them honestly... I really don't understand the logic behind it.
 
2012-06-11 01:20:34 AM

The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.


I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.
 
2012-06-11 01:21:16 AM

downpaymentblues: Are you saying Walker is a liar?


Yes, that is what anyone who has been paying actual attention for the last 16 months has been shouting from the rooftops.
 
2012-06-11 01:23:30 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.

I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.


If you are supporting Walker fark you, really fark you. If your corporate masters are paying you that is cool...but fark you.
 
2012-06-11 01:24:05 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.

I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.


Ah. Alrighty then. Yeah, I've been quite pissed at Wisconsin for the past week, and I find a little bit of comfort in Schadenfreude.
 
2012-06-11 01:25:20 AM
I have a better idea: close all overseas military bases, half of the US bases, and cut military spending by 75%.
 
2012-06-11 01:26:39 AM

The Name: downpaymentblues: The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.

I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.

Ah. Alrighty then. Yeah, I've been quite pissed at Wisconsin for the past week, and I find a little bit of comfort in Schadenfreude.


Wisconsin sucks. fark us. Dammit. Not sure how it would be Schadenfreud.
 
2012-06-11 01:28:47 AM
 
2012-06-11 01:29:37 AM

downpaymentblues: sprgrss: Abortion was legalized in the 1960s. How in the world would something from nearly 30 years prior have that drastic of an impact on the crime rates of the 90s. If you credited for a drop in crime in the 80s, you might have a point, but not for the 90s.

Abortion rates didn't become prevalent until the 70's. Those non-existent kids would be crime committing adults in the 90's.



Uh huh. And the lowering of crime rates in the 90s had nothing to do with more economic gains for lower classes and more job opportunities? Not to mention the record number of criminals locked in jail for even minor offenses. Abortion has nothing to do with lowering crime rates.
 
2012-06-11 01:29:47 AM

Sabyen91: If you are supporting Walker fark you, really fark you. If your corporate masters are paying you that is cool...but fark you.


Are you talking to me? I thought The Name was a Walker supporter who was taking pride in Walker lying.

I'm sorry., I forget just how testy everyone is over this Wisconsin stuff.
 
2012-06-11 01:31:00 AM

downpaymentblues: The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.

I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.


Ah, in that case please disregard my somewhat condescending remark.

The Name: Yeah, I've been quite pissed at Wisconsin for the past week, and I find a little bit of comfort in Schadenfreude.


I used to get mad when people said that, but now that the recall is over, and the people here were dumb enough to support him after all that has happened... yeah, fark WI. We deserve every last bit of what happens next. I just shake my head when I hear people saying "at least we took back the Senate, so now he can't do any more damage." Yeah, control of the Senate is out of his hands until the next Senate class is sworn in next January. This November there are 16 Senate seats up for reelection; 10 Dem, 6 Repub. There's a good chance the Senate will be controlled by the GOP again real soon, and this mess is going to happen all over again, but this time he knows he can get away with just about anything, and he's already been talking about how this was a sign that the people of WI want him to do more of what he's doing. Shiat ain't getting any nicer here for quite some time, and the divisiveness that we've been through already is just the beginning.
 
2012-06-11 01:32:00 AM

Ken VeryBigLiar: ..

Pewaukee also got "the death penalty" more for their shady characters from top to bottom than arresting white guys with the better part of a case of Spotted Cow in them.


Hmmm, I got some bad info then. Clarification appreciated
 
2012-06-11 01:32:14 AM

downpaymentblues: Sabyen91: If you are supporting Walker fark you, really fark you. If your corporate masters are paying you that is cool...but fark you.

Are you talking to me? I thought The Name was a Walker supporter who was taking pride in Walker lying.

I'm sorry., I forget just how testy everyone is over this Wisconsin stuff.


No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.
 
2012-06-11 01:33:26 AM

cmb53208: Ken VeryBigLiar: ..

Pewaukee also got "the death penalty" more for their shady characters from top to bottom than arresting white guys with the better part of a case of Spotted Cow in them.

Hmmm, I got some bad info then. Clarification appreciated


You know, I really hate all the motherfarking suburbs.
 
2012-06-11 01:34:46 AM

intelligent comment below: downpaymentblues: sprgrss: Abortion was legalized in the 1960s. How in the world would something from nearly 30 years prior have that drastic of an impact on the crime rates of the 90s. If you credited for a drop in crime in the 80s, you might have a point, but not for the 90s.

Abortion rates didn't become prevalent until the 70's. Those non-existent kids would be crime committing adults in the 90's.


Uh huh. And the lowering of crime rates in the 90s had nothing to do with more economic gains for lower classes and more job opportunities? Not to mention the record number of criminals locked in jail for even minor offenses. Abortion has nothing to do with lowering crime rates.


I'm just explaining the Freakanomics hypothesis. You asked about how something from the 70's affected the 90's.

I give up. You politics tab people are just WAITING to jump down someone's throat.
 
2012-06-11 01:34:47 AM

downpaymentblues: Sabyen91: If you are supporting Walker fark you, really fark you. If your corporate masters are paying you that is cool...but fark you.

Are you talking to me? I thought The Name was a Walker supporter who was taking pride in Walker lying.

I'm sorry., I forget just how testy everyone is over this Wisconsin stuff.


And I apologize. Yes, it hurts that those farking morons won.
 
2012-06-11 01:35:27 AM

downpaymentblues: intelligent comment below: downpaymentblues: sprgrss: Abortion was legalized in the 1960s. How in the world would something from nearly 30 years prior have that drastic of an impact on the crime rates of the 90s. If you credited for a drop in crime in the 80s, you might have a point, but not for the 90s.

Abortion rates didn't become prevalent until the 70's. Those non-existent kids would be crime committing adults in the 90's.


Uh huh. And the lowering of crime rates in the 90s had nothing to do with more economic gains for lower classes and more job opportunities? Not to mention the record number of criminals locked in jail for even minor offenses. Abortion has nothing to do with lowering crime rates.

I'm just explaining the Freakanomics hypothesis. You asked about how something from the 70's affected the 90's.

I give up. You politics tab people are just WAITING to jump down someone's throat.


Dude, don't defend Freakonomics. It isn't defensible.
 
2012-06-11 01:35:42 AM
Enough of fielding these carelessly tossed leftist platitudes for one night.

Troll out-
 
2012-06-11 01:36:04 AM

serial_crusher: "not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?


I know you're just trolling but I'll bite.

"We have 145,000 more government workers under this president. Let's send them home and put you back to work." -Mitt Romney

"(Obama) says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." -Mitt Romney

What do you think he's advocating here? Paid vacation? The man is quite literally saying that he wants to create jobs by firing over a hundred thousand public workers.

It's almost mind boggling. Firing tens upon tens upon tens of thousands of workers will certainly perk the economy right up! The beatings will continue until morale improves!
 
2012-06-11 01:36:19 AM

farkin_Gary: Enough of fielding these carelessly tossed leftist platitudes for one night.

Troll out-


Night, troll.
 
2012-06-11 01:37:37 AM
Freakonomics is a racist, horrible book. Live with it.
 
2012-06-11 01:37:58 AM

farkin_Gary:

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?


Couple of things: first is that back in Franklin's day schooling stopped at earlier ages. Second is that it's safe to say that Ben Franklin was smarter than you and was self-educated on top of the formal education he received up to age 10
 
2012-06-11 01:39:02 AM

cmb53208: farkin_Gary:

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

Couple of things: first is that back in Franklin's day schooling stopped at earlier ages. Second is that it's safe to say that Ben Franklin was smarter than you and was self-educated on top of the formal education he received up to age 10


Ben Franklin was brilliant. farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX. Woohoo.
 
2012-06-11 01:39:11 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


The internets, and they will teach our childrens to OBEY and give a hoot and not start forest fires and stuff.
 
2012-06-11 01:40:40 AM

Sabyen91: Dude, don't defend Freakonomics. It isn't defensible.


Sigh. I wasn't defending it. I was just giving him/her an explanation for the 70's to 90's logic it tried to use.

Seriously: You people need to take some deep breaths.

In through the nose.... out through the mouth...
In through the nose.... out through the mouth...

Better?
 
2012-06-11 01:41:14 AM

Bhasayate: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The internets, and they will teach our childrens to OBEY and give a hoot and not start forest fires and stuff.


I don't know but there is a song that is out now that makes me happy. "Counting all the assholes in the room, I am not alone!"
 
2012-06-11 01:42:03 AM

downpaymentblues: Sabyen91: Dude, don't defend Freakonomics. It isn't defensible.

Sigh. I wasn't defending it. I was just giving him/her an explanation for the 70's to 90's logic it tried to use.

Seriously: You people need to take some deep breaths.

In through the nose.... out through the mouth...
In through the nose.... out through the mouth...

Better?


Whew, feeling better. Yeah, I don't think you are the type to be a dick. I apologize.
 
2012-06-11 01:43:32 AM

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.


I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite
 
2012-06-11 01:46:05 AM

Sabyen91: cmb53208: farkin_Gary:

Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

Couple of things: first is that back in Franklin's day schooling stopped at earlier ages. Second is that it's safe to say that Ben Franklin was smarter than you and was self-educated on top of the formal education he received up to age 10

Ben Franklin was brilliant. farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX. Woohoo.


You know, I actually appreciate it when folks come out of the gate swinging. No question at all what they're trying to accomplish, none of this, "I'm new here and I'm not sure if this is the place for it, but..." getting to know you period. Just DERP right off the bat so folks can Favorite them or put them on Ignore right off the bat. It saves us all time, and it's refreshing that they're so courteous and honest about it...
 
2012-06-11 01:47:42 AM

farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite


Why are you so much like PDX?
 
2012-06-11 01:49:15 AM

Spaz-master: Their servers as shyte tonight


Shaka when the walls fell.
 
2012-06-11 01:50:03 AM

JohnnyC: farkin_Gary: Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

Benjamin Franklin was an autodidact... of course you knew that and that is why you said, 'formal'.

Care to answer my questions or you just going to keep playing disingenuous word games?


That is a bit unfair. It not nice to pick on the functionally retarded. Isn't it good enough that he and Benjamin Franklin finished school at the same age?
 
2012-06-11 01:50:04 AM

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite

Why are you so much like PDX?


Coincidence? Or .... could it be SATAN?
 
2012-06-11 01:51:49 AM

limeyfellow: JohnnyC: farkin_Gary: Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

Benjamin Franklin was an autodidact... of course you knew that and that is why you said, 'formal'.

Care to answer my questions or you just going to keep playing disingenuous word games?

That is a bit unfair. It not nice to pick on the functionally retarded. Isn't it good enough that he and Benjamin Franklin finished school at the same age?


You funny.
 
2012-06-11 01:52:26 AM

Bhasayate: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite

Why are you so much like PDX?

Coincidence? Or .... could it be SATAN?


I will kill. PDX should go home.
 
2012-06-11 01:53:28 AM
Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.
 
2012-06-11 01:55:15 AM

Corvus: Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.


Don't get in my way.
 
2012-06-11 01:55:59 AM
Don't underestimate Rmoney's ability to understand the needs of teachers. After all, some of his best friends are presidents of Ivy League Universities!
 
2012-06-11 01:57:04 AM

Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.


I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.
 
2012-06-11 01:57:31 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Back to the good ole days when the fire company would show up at your burning house and leap into action.

Negotiating the fee.

Or even better. Two rival companies would show up and get into a brawl over whose turf your building was in while it burns to the ground.
 
2012-06-11 01:58:41 AM

The Name: Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.


I am sorry. It was either the Name or the Other that pissed me off. I am pretty sure it was you.
 
2012-06-11 01:59:23 AM

r1chard3: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Back to the good ole days when the fire company would show up at your burning house and leap into action.

Negotiating the fee.

Or even better. Two rival companies would show up and get into a brawl over whose turf your building was in while it burns to the ground.


Balls deep, man.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:12 AM

Corvus: Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.


In fairness, Mitt has to borrow Dap at this point. Four and a half years of pretty much non-stop campaigning and little to show for it, man has got to be itching to drive something other than a campaign desk and eating hotel food. That he figures borrowing Walker's shadow will get more folks to like him, that is sort of funny...
 
2012-06-11 02:00:25 AM

Sabyen91: The Name: Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.

I am sorry. It was either the Name or the Other that pissed me off. I am pretty sure it was you.


Well, maybe I did piss you off, but it wasn't by supporting Walker or third parties.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:52 AM
Okay, we're spending an average of $11k per year per student.

Teachers make what, about $40k per year? Maybe $60k when you throw in benefits and pensions.

Where the hell is all that money going? Class size is around 20, so an average of $200k per class room.

Just sayin'.

Oh, and maybe we need to actually run the numbers on all of the past "educating educators" programs and figure out what worked best. Then farkING STICK WITH ONE TEACHING STYLE FOR A FEW YEARS. I've been hearing complaints that elementary teachers have been getting $10k courses on the latest teaching methods for reading and math every two years or so. Stop trying to fix what you can't tell if it's broken because you keep fixing it.
 
2012-06-11 02:01:59 AM

The Name: Sabyen91: The Name: Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.

I am sorry. It was either the Name or the Other that pissed me off. I am pretty sure it was you.

Well, maybe I did piss you off, but it wasn't by supporting Walker or third parties.


It wasn't supporting Walker? Ok.
 
2012-06-11 02:02:22 AM

Corvus: Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.


So much THIS. That's what I've been saying for over a year. The only reason this whole situation is even occurring is because the guy is a completely unreasonable jackass. I mean, he put the Nat'l Guard on alert before he "dropped the bomb" because he believed there was a good chance there would be "substantial civil and labor unrest." If he didn't realize he was doing something unreasonable than he would have never seen the backlash coming, but he did see it coming.
 
2012-06-11 02:02:49 AM

wildcardjack: Okay, we're spending an average of $11k per year per student.

Teachers make what, about $40k per year? Maybe $60k when you throw in benefits and pensions.

Where the hell is all that money going? Class size is around 20, so an average of $200k per class room.

Just sayin'.

Oh, and maybe we need to actually run the numbers on all of the past "educating educators" programs and figure out what worked best. Then farkING STICK WITH ONE TEACHING STYLE FOR A FEW YEARS. I've been hearing complaints that elementary teachers have been getting $10k courses on the latest teaching methods for reading and math every two years or so. Stop trying to fix what you can't tell if it's broken because you keep fixing it.


We are spending balls! per student. Balls!
 
2012-06-11 02:06:09 AM

GAT_00: Good thing Pinkerton is still around. I was appalled the first time I saw a security seal with their name.


Ironically enough, now owned by the very-sympathetic-to-socialism Swedes.
 
2012-06-11 02:06:49 AM
Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.
 
2012-06-11 02:08:23 AM

do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.


do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.


No.
 
2012-06-11 02:10:29 AM

Sabyen91: It wasn't supporting Walker? Ok.


I might have been sarcastically congratulating WI for having the wisdom and foresight to elect Walker, which you mistakenly took for genuine approval.
 
2012-06-11 02:10:44 AM
USA: all military industrial complex, all subway employees, ALL THE TIME. fark yeah!
 
2012-06-11 02:11:18 AM

Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.


Yes!
 
2012-06-11 02:12:30 AM

wildcardjack: Okay, we're spending an average of $11k per year per student.

Teachers make what, about $40k per year? Maybe $60k when you throw in benefits and pensions.

Where the hell is all that money going? Class size is around 20, so an average of $200k per class room.

Just sayin'.

Oh, and maybe we need to actually run the numbers on all of the past "educating educators" programs and figure out what worked best. Then farkING STICK WITH ONE TEACHING STYLE FOR A FEW YEARS. I've been hearing complaints that elementary teachers have been getting $10k courses on the latest teaching methods for reading and math every two years or so. Stop trying to fix what you can't tell if it's broken because you keep fixing it.


Actually, teachers learn various methods because not everyone has the same learning style.

This is one of the things they teach in those high falutin' teaching schools. Along with various methods to evaluate students, how to maintain discipline, the actual subject matter, professional standards, a bit of developmental psychology, and somewhere in all that mess, there is actually a fair amount of science and math involved.

And then there's professional development. Education is about bettering yourself and your understanding. Oddly enough, thanks to NCLB, teachers have to prove their qualifications a bit more. Sort of like taking that CPR course, and getting recertified. Oddly enough, CPR training has changed a bit over the years as folks have collated data. For instance, breaths are not as emphasized as earlier courses. Why? Because new data came in.

It's almost as if Education was considered a science...
 
2012-06-11 02:13:10 AM

The Name: Sabyen91: It wasn't supporting Walker? Ok.

I might have been sarcastically congratulating WI for having the wisdom and foresight to elect Walker, which you mistakenly took for genuine approval.


That is possible.
 
2012-06-11 02:13:47 AM

do not take me seriously: Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.

Yes!


Your penis is small?
 
2012-06-11 02:25:11 AM
wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

lh6.googleusercontent.com

Which costs us more?
 
2012-06-11 02:26:54 AM

JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?


We should be firing the "bad teachers," obviously. They're so easy to objectively sort out from the good ones, the only thing that stops us from firing them is those evil teachers' unions.
 
2012-06-11 02:27:26 AM

Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.

Yes!

Your penis is small?


Microscopic. Concave even.

And it's not like I won't be voting for B-Rock, because Third Parties can only be viable after they've gotten enough support, so voting Third Party above the local level is futile, except in very specific circumstances. And I didn't say I _liked_ Romney's plan, and the path down which it would lead this country, but I also don't pretend I actually have a voice in the running of this country. Remember, as per the Supreme Court, money is speech, so those with more money have a greater voice in the process. As I didn't inherit millions, I'm relegated to the peasant class (I tried pulling myself up by my bootstraps, but my family ran out of food and I had to eat my bootstraps so now I'm stuck). I just consider myself lucky that we haven't yet devolved to the point where everyone who isn't a guard is a prisoner, working in forced labor camps as they serve their life-long term in private prisons.
 
2012-06-11 02:28:16 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: downpaymentblues: The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.

I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.

Ah, in that case please disregard my somewhat condescending remark.

The Name: Yeah, I've been quite pissed at Wisconsin for the past week, and I find a little bit of comfort in Schadenfreude.

I used to get mad when people said that, but now that the recall is over, and the people here were dumb enough to support him after all that has happened... yeah, fark WI. We deserve every last bit of what happens next. I just shake my head when I hear people saying "at least we took back the Senate, so now he can't do any more damage." Yeah, control of the Senate is out of his hands until the next Senate class is sworn in next January. This November there are 16 Senate seats up for reelection; 10 Dem, 6 Repub. There's a good chance the Senate will be controlled by the GOP again real soon, and this mess is going to happen all over again, but this time he knows he can get away with just about anything, and he's already been talking about how this was a sign that the people of WI want him to do more of what he's doing. Shiat ain't getting any nicer here for quite some time, and the divisiveness that we've been through already is just the beginning.


---------------------

I'm going to start by saying that I am a liberal Obama voter.

With that being said, it appears to be the case that Walker simply did something that most of the state approves of. So is he really that horrible? If anything is horrible, it's the loss of support for unions among the electorate, but unions have themselves to blame for a number of the PR issues they face. I know a lot of people that are otherwise quite liberal that are neutral-to-negative when it comes to unions, and many of them are quick to point out that unions protect the lazy, reduce competitiveness, block merit promotion, etc while they're liberal on every other issue.

Heck, even here in libby lib lib San Francisco there was a ballot initiative to bust the SFMTA union and restructure it a few years ago. It came about because the city had budget deficits and needed to cut costs for the MUNI public transit system, and the MUNI workers union blocked any and all changes to their pay structure that had automatic raises built in, instead opting to let 100% of the cost savings come from increased fares and reduced service. The city council wouldn't put the union-busting bill on the ballot due to union objections, so a massive petition drive went around and it was forced on the ballot. It passed with 2/3 of the vote. The members of the MUNI public transit service here threw a massive fit as all this was going on as if they were being horribly wronged because they would have scheduled raises cancelled in the middle of a recession.

The big picture repercussion of this and many other episodes like it is that many people in the Democratic base simply aren't in a huge rush to help unions anymore. Most libs still favor unions, but a healthy chunk don't, and when you're fighting against a united front of Republicans who all despise unions, that's a possibly fatal split.
 
2012-06-11 02:28:27 AM

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.

Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.

Just put me on your "list." That's what all the hard core lefties do.

How pussyish can you be? Do you want to cry some more?


He's waiting for more cartridges to hit the floor so he can tell us how mothers murder their kids so they can sue the cops.

/I may not be Anonymous, but I never forget.
 
2012-06-11 02:29:59 AM

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.

Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.

Just put me on your "list." That's what all the hard core lefties do.

How pussyish can you be? Do you want to cry some more?

He's waiting for more cartridges to hit the floor so he can tell us how mothers murder their kids so they can sue the cops.

/I may not be Anonymous, but I never forget.


It is amazing how pussyish they are.
 
m00
2012-06-11 02:35:05 AM
So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?
 
2012-06-11 02:41:13 AM

m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?


By dint of being least crazy of those republicans crazy enough to think they can unseat B-rock.
 
2012-06-11 02:48:48 AM

hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?


To be fair, the 3.8 mil gets to go to the For-profit prison business.
 
m00
2012-06-11 02:52:04 AM

do not take me seriously: m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?

By dint of being least crazy of those republicans crazy enough to think they can unseat B-rock.


Well, what I don't get is this. While I disagree with Mr. Obama, he certainly has supporters. There are people who believe he has done well enough to warrant a second term. I disagree with them, but fine. Such is life in a Republic.

But Romney doesn't seem to have any supporters, even amongst Republicans. Do you know anyone, personally that supports Romney? I don't. The media says he won the primary (which technically isn't true until the convention in Tampa, but okay). But like... how? Who voted for him? And... why? Because TV told them he had already won?

I just don't get why anyone other than a small cabal of corporatist establishment would think he would be a positive presence in the White House. And I can't seem to find anyone to ask.
 
2012-06-11 02:52:49 AM
He made the mistake of actually being honest about what the Republican vision of "small government" actually means -- cuts in services vital to median and lower income Americans. What he's supposed to do is make vague references to trimming supposed fat from government, without getting specific enough for people to realize "Hey wait, that's not a $300 hammer -- that's a service I actually rely on."
 
2012-06-11 02:54:25 AM
Well, why not?

Illinois is trying, and failing, to do so.

So says the Trib
 
2012-06-11 02:58:03 AM

m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?


If they say it often enough and nobody calls them on it, by November it might be true.
 
2012-06-11 03:01:08 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Religious leaders will do the teaching, 'sovereign citizens' will do the law enforcement, and children will put out the fires when the get promoted from being school custodians.
 
2012-06-11 03:12:32 AM

Ambivalence: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Not Romney, I'm pretty sure.


That magical mormon guy from planet Kolob.
 
2012-06-11 03:12:33 AM
Why should the working class be the only ones who suffer? Why should union teachers, cops, fireman and bureaucrats be protected while everyone else struggles. Oh yes no one can do their jobs because they do it for magic fairy dust and unicorn farts. I know this because the bureaucrats who approve their own benefits and the politicians who receive huge contributions from their unions tell me. I must not ever question this or else I am worse than Hitler etc etc.
 
2012-06-11 03:20:26 AM

downpaymentblues: I'm just explaining the Freakanomics hypothesis. You asked about how something from the 70's affected the 90's.

I give up. You politics tab people are just WAITING to jump down someone's throat.



And I'm just explaining why it is horribly wrong. So don't bring up something that is wrong.

Don't want people responding to what you write? Start your own blog and disable comments.
 
2012-06-11 03:29:34 AM
His political acumen is charmingly bad. Charming in that he says what he thinks, bad in that you just don't do that in politics. No doubt him and his ilk would love to defund as much of the government as possible and privatize it all as a gift to their peers, including police and fire departments, but as long as crime and security are hot-button issues that voters respond to you just can't go around talking about firing cops and expect the support of anyone who isn't a stockholder in some outfit that specializes in no bid contracts from the DHS.
 
2012-06-11 03:29:40 AM

m00: do not take me seriously: m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?

By dint of being least crazy of those republicans crazy enough to think they can unseat B-rock.

Well, what I don't get is this. While I disagree with Mr. Obama, he certainly has supporters. There are people who believe he has done well enough to warrant a second term. I disagree with them, but fine. Such is life in a Republic.

But Romney doesn't seem to have any supporters, even amongst Republicans. Do you know anyone, personally that supports Romney? I don't. The media says he won the primary (which technically isn't true until the convention in Tampa, but okay). But like... how? Who voted for him? And... why? Because TV told them he had already won?

I just don't get why anyone other than a small cabal of corporatist establishment would think he would be a positive presence in the White House. And I can't seem to find anyone to ask.


From what I could tell, given the minimal amount of attention I payed to that process, Romney did receive votes in various primaries by presenting himself as an alternative to the batsmeg crazy derp-brigade that was Bachman, Santorum, Gingrich, et al. Plus, he spent several metric fark-tons of money in the primaries, and money does buy votes.
 
2012-06-11 03:31:58 AM

bestie1: Why should the working class be the only ones who suffer? Why should union teachers, cops, fireman and bureaucrats be protected while everyone else struggles. Oh yes no one can do their jobs because they do it for magic fairy dust and unicorn farts. I know this because the bureaucrats who approve their own benefits and the politicians who receive huge contributions from their unions tell me. I must not ever question this or else I am worse than Hitler etc etc.



So basically your point is, some people are unemployed and in financial trouble, so you want government workers to suffer too? Especially essential jobs like police, fire, and teachers? Sounds like a great way to run a city. Instead of raising taxes on those that have greatly profited from the past 30 years, EVERYONE ELSE should suffer too!!
 
2012-06-11 03:38:30 AM
Sure you love cops on election day but the other 1,460 days in between they are all Nazi's stopping peace loving protestors from caving in windows.

What just happened in WI that really pisses off the Unions? The government got out of the business of collecting dues and a huge chunk of the members said "fark it why am I paying for this". That is the issue and the Unions won't win on it.

I know the narrative is supposed to be about middle class kulaks who are enslaving the proletariat with their "wages" and "profits"'; but when people are out a job they tend to start to question the protected classes rather then the people who could actually give them a job.
 
2012-06-11 03:40:13 AM

intelligent comment below: bestie1: Why should the working class be the only ones who suffer? Why should union teachers, cops, fireman and bureaucrats be protected while everyone else struggles. Oh yes no one can do their jobs because they do it for magic fairy dust and unicorn farts. I know this because the bureaucrats who approve their own benefits and the politicians who receive huge contributions from their unions tell me. I must not ever question this or else I am worse than Hitler etc etc.


So basically your point is, some people are unemployed and in financial trouble, so you want government workers to suffer too? Especially essential jobs like police, fire, and teachers? Sounds like a great way to run a city. Instead of raising taxes on those that have greatly profited from the past 30 years, EVERYONE ELSE should suffer too!!


Everyone SHOULD suffer. If people don't suffer in life, how are we expect to sell them the vaporware that is paradise in the afterlife? If people aren't depending on admittance to paradise after they die, how do you get them to obey their betters?

/If you want to keep control of the populous using a slave religion, you need to keep people enslaved.
 
2012-06-11 03:44:50 AM
I think it's safe to say that a Mitt presidency will be nothing more than a "Loot & Scoot" for him and his connections. The man obviously had no problem destroying companies for profit, why not go for whole sectors of the US economy. The Supreme court is already up the conservatives butt, and congress will no doubt be split for awhile. He'll have no fear of impeachment, nor of imprisonment. Half his money is already in the Caymans. It will be pigs at the trough, the state of the country be damned.
 
2012-06-11 03:45:41 AM

hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?


You are MISSING THE POINT!

There's at least $100k per year EVAPORATING per classroom. Where the hell is all that money going? Yes, some of that money could be going to after school type programs, but my numbers (from a 2009 Census Bureau report) are for Elementary through HS. Your numbers are including post-secondary education.

Too many administrators and too much pointless teacher retraining. It's inefficient. You have just made an argument in favor of throwing money at a system that's full of black holes.
 
2012-06-11 03:46:38 AM

intelligent comment below: bestie1: Why should the working class be the only ones who suffer? Why should union teachers, cops, fireman and bureaucrats be protected while everyone else struggles. Oh yes no one can do their jobs because they do it for magic fairy dust and unicorn farts. I know this because the bureaucrats who approve their own benefits and the politicians who receive huge contributions from their unions tell me. I must not ever question this or else I am worse than Hitler etc etc.


So basically your point is, some people are unemployed and in financial trouble, so you want government workers to suffer too? Especially essential jobs like police, fire, and teachers? Sounds like a great way to run a city. Instead of raising taxes on those that have greatly profited from the past 30 years, EVERYONE ELSE should suffer too!!


Why are the rich bourgeoisie all industrialists? Why aren't movie stars and sports stars who make millions vilified too? Could it be because they line the DNC coffers just like the public sector unions do? It really seems to come down to who your patron is doesn't it?

When times are tough everyone has to tighten their belt. The fat is long gone.
 
2012-06-11 03:48:46 AM

bestie1: Sure you love cops on election day but the other 1,460 days in between they are all Nazi's stopping peace loving protestors from caving in windows.

What just happened in WI that really pisses off the Unions? The government got out of the business of collecting dues and a huge chunk of the members said "fark it why am I paying for this". That is the issue and the Unions won't win on it.

I know the narrative is supposed to be about middle class kulaks who are enslaving the proletariat with their "wages" and "profits"'; but when people are out a job they tend to start to question the protected classes rather then the people who could actually give them a job.


If by "Kulak" you mean "small business owner", no, they're not the ones working to enslave the middle class. Small Business Owners are not the Corpocracy who are doing everything they can to enrich themselves, at the expense of the masses (because once the masses are downtrodden enough, they can be exploited more efficiently for larger profits!)
 
2012-06-11 03:52:28 AM

do not take me seriously: bestie1: Sure you love cops on election day but the other 1,460 days in between they are all Nazi's stopping peace loving protestors from caving in windows.

What just happened in WI that really pisses off the Unions? The government got out of the business of collecting dues and a huge chunk of the members said "fark it why am I paying for this". That is the issue and the Unions won't win on it.

I know the narrative is supposed to be about middle class kulaks who are enslaving the proletariat with their "wages" and "profits"'; but when people are out a job they tend to start to question the protected classes rather then the people who could actually give them a job.

If by "Kulak" you mean "small business owner", no, they're not the ones working to enslave the middle class. Small Business Owners are not the Corpocracy who are doing everything they can to enrich themselves, at the expense of the masses (because once the masses are downtrodden enough, they can be exploited more efficiently for larger profits!)



Really and what evil space alien benefits from evil corporate profits?
 
2012-06-11 03:53:49 AM

bestie1: do not take me seriously: bestie1: Sure you love cops on election day but the other 1,460 days in between they are all Nazi's stopping peace loving protestors from caving in windows.

What just happened in WI that really pisses off the Unions? The government got out of the business of collecting dues and a huge chunk of the members said "fark it why am I paying for this". That is the issue and the Unions won't win on it.

I know the narrative is supposed to be about middle class kulaks who are enslaving the proletariat with their "wages" and "profits"'; but when people are out a job they tend to start to question the protected classes rather then the people who could actually give them a job.

If by "Kulak" you mean "small business owner", no, they're not the ones working to enslave the middle class. Small Business Owners are not the Corpocracy who are doing everything they can to enrich themselves, at the expense of the masses (because once the masses are downtrodden enough, they can be exploited more efficiently for larger profits!)


Really and what evil space alien benefits from evil corporate profits?


It fills me with rage.
 
2012-06-11 03:53:51 AM

TheZorker: Well, why not?

Illinois is trying, and failing, to do so.

So says the Trib

In the case of the firefighters, for instance, we agree with Ferguson that dismissing the firefighters for lying, cheating and stealing is in the highest public interest.

charge them with felony theft.
bring the charges to the DA and PUSH HARD.
why are you farking around with this in pretend land?
that is the problem in the first place.

shudder
unions solved a large number of problems a number of decades ago.
but
that was long ago
all we see now is union protection of crimes and insanity
 
2012-06-11 03:54:40 AM

namatad: TheZorker: Well, why not?

Illinois is trying, and failing, to do so.

So says the Trib

In the case of the firefighters, for instance, we agree with Ferguson that dismissing the firefighters for lying, cheating and stealing is in the highest public interest.
charge them with felony theft.
bring the charges to the DA and PUSH HARD.
why are you farking around with this in pretend land?
that is the problem in the first place.

shudder
unions solved a large number of problems a number of decades ago.
but
that was long ago
all we see now is union protection of crimes and insanity


Yes, unions suck because you say so. fark off.
 
2012-06-11 03:55:15 AM

hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?


WTF
it costs 100k to keep the kid in juvi?
 
2012-06-11 03:56:58 AM

wildcardjack: hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?

You are MISSING THE POINT!

There's at least $100k per year EVAPORATING per classroom. Where the hell is all that money going? Yes, some of that money could be going to after school type programs, but my numbers (from a 2009 Census Bureau report) are for Elementary through HS. Your numbers are including post-secondary education.

Too many administrators and too much pointless teacher retraining. It's inefficient. You have just made an argument in favor of throwing money at a system that's full of black holes.


You seem to be operating on the assumption that all money budgeted for education is spent within classrooms, apparently believing that those classrooms themselves are free, and maintained for free, and heated and cooled for free, and cleaned for free. Oh and school lunches, free. Buses, free (gasoline for buses, free too). Oh, and all the people who aren't directly teaching students, the people who keep the system running, administrators, secretaries, lunch ladies, bus drivers, they all work for free too.

This isn't to say there isn't waste ( I don't think kindergarteners need iPads, for example) but the obvious disingenuity with which you are approaching the topic is precluding, rather than encouraging, any honest discussion on the topic, because when people have to waste time debunking bullshiat, they are less able to have meaningful conversation.

Unless that's what you're going for, in which case, well done!
 
2012-06-11 03:59:21 AM

Sabyen91: namatad: TheZorker: Well, why not?

Illinois is trying, and failing, to do so.

So says the Trib

In the case of the firefighters, for instance, we agree with Ferguson that dismissing the firefighters for lying, cheating and stealing is in the highest public interest.
charge them with felony theft.
bring the charges to the DA and PUSH HARD.
why are you farking around with this in pretend land?
that is the problem in the first place.

shudder
unions solved a large number of problems a number of decades ago.
but
that was long ago
all we see now is union protection of crimes and insanity

Yes, unions suck because you say so. fark off.


nope
that is not what I am saying

Teachers' union helped keep teachers from being fired for political or personal reasons. Admin didnt like someone, fired.

But for decades, those same unions have prevented the city from firing bad teachers.
Bad teachers just moved around.

Unions, like everything else in the universe, have bad parts and good parts.
Should we get rid of them? no
Should we get better contracts? hell yes

FFS, the idea of a guild was that the guild masters would police their own. That THEY would ensure that you could hire quality craftsman. If the police and teachers unions got rid of the bad apples, had minimum standards, it would be impossible to complain about them.

Bad apples spoil the whole barrel.
 
2012-06-11 03:59:45 AM

do not take me seriously: wildcardjack: hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?

You are MISSING THE POINT!

There's at least $100k per year EVAPORATING per classroom. Where the hell is all that money going? Yes, some of that money could be going to after school type programs, but my numbers (from a 2009 Census Bureau report) are for Elementary through HS. Your numbers are including post-secondary education.

Too many administrators and too much pointless teacher retraining. It's inefficient. You have just made an argument in favor of throwing money at a system that's full of black holes.

You seem to be operating on the assumption that all money budgeted for education is spent within classrooms, apparently believing that those classrooms themselves are free, and maintained for free, and heated and cooled for free, and cleaned for free. Oh and school lunches, free. Buses, free (gasoline for buses, free too). Oh, and all the people who aren't directly teaching students, the people who keep the system running, administrators, secretaries, lunch ladies, bus drivers, they all work for free too.

This isn't to say there isn't waste ( I don't think kindergarteners need iPads, for example) but the obvious disingenuity with which you are approaching the topic is precluding, rather than encouraging, any honest discussion on the topic, because when people have to waste time debunking bullshiat, they are less able to have meaningful conversation.

Unless that's what you're going for, in which case, well done!


I think your penis is tiny. It fills me with rage.
 
2012-06-11 04:00:51 AM
Well, private police don't have to follow all those rules about warrants and such. They can also get by with rougher interrogation and the city can't be sued when things go wrong. It's a win-win situation for these guys.
 
2012-06-11 04:01:15 AM

namatad: Sabyen91: namatad: TheZorker: Well, why not?

Illinois is trying, and failing, to do so.

So says the Trib

In the case of the firefighters, for instance, we agree with Ferguson that dismissing the firefighters for lying, cheating and stealing is in the highest public interest.
charge them with felony theft.
bring the charges to the DA and PUSH HARD.
why are you farking around with this in pretend land?
that is the problem in the first place.

shudder
unions solved a large number of problems a number of decades ago.
but
that was long ago
all we see now is union protection of crimes and insanity

Yes, unions suck because you say so. fark off.

nope
that is not what I am saying

Teachers' union helped keep teachers from being fired for political or personal reasons. Admin didnt like someone, fired.

But for decades, those same unions have prevented the city from firing bad teachers.
Bad teachers just moved around.

Unions, like everything else in the universe, have bad parts and good parts.
Should we get rid of them? no
Should we get better contracts? hell yes

FFS, the idea of a guild was that the guild masters would police their own. That THEY would ensure that you could hire quality craftsman. If the police and teachers unions got rid of the bad apples, had minimum standards, it would be impossible to complain about them.

Bad apples spoil the whole barrel.


You are full of shiat. Ohhhh, the teacher's are bad, I know.
 
2012-06-11 04:01:43 AM

bestie1: do not take me seriously: bestie1: Sure you love cops on election day but the other 1,460 days in between they are all Nazi's stopping peace loving protestors from caving in windows.

What just happened in WI that really pisses off the Unions? The government got out of the business of collecting dues and a huge chunk of the members said "fark it why am I paying for this". That is the issue and the Unions won't win on it.

I know the narrative is supposed to be about middle class kulaks who are enslaving the proletariat with their "wages" and "profits"'; but when people are out a job they tend to start to question the protected classes rather then the people who could actually give them a job.

If by "Kulak" you mean "small business owner", no, they're not the ones working to enslave the middle class. Small Business Owners are not the Corpocracy who are doing everything they can to enrich themselves, at the expense of the masses (because once the masses are downtrodden enough, they can be exploited more efficiently for larger profits!)


Really and what evil space alien benefits from evil corporate profits?


Any mention of profit and I immediately assume Ferengi, but they're not really evil (at least not after their first few appearances)

Actually though, I don't understand your response. I had never seen the term kulak before, so I looked it up and got the definition "A peasant in Russia wealthy enough to own a farm and hire labor" so I assumed you were using it as a term for Small Business Owner.

If you were using the term differently, or were referring to a different definition, please be more clear.
 
2012-06-11 04:04:36 AM

Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: wildcardjack: hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?

You are MISSING THE POINT!

There's at least $100k per year EVAPORATING per classroom. Where the hell is all that money going? Yes, some of that money could be going to after school type programs, but my numbers (from a 2009 Census Bureau report) are for Elementary through HS. Your numbers are including post-secondary education.

Too many administrators and too much pointless teacher retraining. It's inefficient. You have just made an argument in favor of throwing money at a system that's full of black holes.

You seem to be operating on the assumption that all money budgeted for education is spent within classrooms, apparently believing that those classrooms themselves are free, and maintained for free, and heated and cooled for free, and cleaned for free. Oh and school lunches, free. Buses, free (gasoline for buses, free too). Oh, and all the people who aren't directly teaching students, the people who keep the system running, administrators, secretaries, lunch ladies, bus drivers, they all work for free too.

This isn't to say there isn't waste ( I don't think kindergarteners need iPads, for example) but the obvious disingenuity with which you are approaching the topic is precluding, rather than encouraging, any honest discussion on the topic, because when people have to waste time debunking bullshiat, they are less able to have meaningful conversation.

Unless that's what you're going for, in which case, well done!

I think your penis is tiny. It fills me with rage.


Why does the tinyness of my penis fill you with rage? You're not the one I'm failing to bring to orgasm with it.

Or do you mean that my tiny penis itself is filling you with rage? That might explain the tingling sensation I've had the past few minutes- all that rage flowing out of you, through my tiny tiny penis, and into you.
 
2012-06-11 04:06:02 AM

do not take me seriously: Sabyen91:

I think your penis is tiny. It fills me with rage.

Why does the tinyness of my penis fill you with rage? You're not the one I'm failing to bring to orgasm with it.

Or do you mean that my tiny penis itself is filling you with rage? That might explain the tingling sensation I've had the past few minutes- all that rage flowing out of you me, through my tiny tiny penis, and into you.

 
2012-06-11 04:31:14 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Romney already answered this: The private sector. (He said) you should get services you're able to personally afford, and nothing more.

On the bright side, a Romney presidency would make expenses like child care and health insurance seem like a drop in the bucket when compared to having to pay for your own police force, fire protection, and education.
 
2012-06-11 04:31:45 AM

Sabyen91: You are full of shiat. Ohhhh, the teacher's are bad, I know.


bye bye
 
2012-06-11 04:38:23 AM
As if we need any more evidence that the Republicans just simply need to dispense with a convention this year and turn the lights out on the way out the door.

Oh wait. Half the country wants to vote for this idiot, I guess, or something...
 
2012-06-11 04:42:33 AM

eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US.


The US has abot 266 police officers per 100,000 people, which is well below the global mean of about 300 police per 100,000.

The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%.

According to this, you had 706,886 police officers in 2009, a reduction of more than 1500 from the previous year.

Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded.

This is where I ask for a citation.
 
2012-06-11 04:52:34 AM

whidbey: As if we need any more evidence that the Republicans just simply need to dispense with a convention this year and turn the lights out on the way out the door.

Oh wait. Half the country wants to vote for this idiot, I guess, or something...


Nowhere close to half the country wants to vote for this idiot, but as it's a two party system, it is in the interest of the "news" media to portray it as a close race so we'll keep watching, and clicking links, and making them money.
 
2012-06-11 04:53:28 AM

Dansker: eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US.

The US has abot 266 police officers per 100,000 people, which is well below the global mean of about 300 police per 100,000.

The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%.

According to this, you had 706,886 police officers in 2009, a reduction of more than 1500 from the previous year.

Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded.

This is where I ask for a citation.


Your point is interesting but your link doesn't work. Also, this is Fark, the irrational police hate is incredible.
 
2012-06-11 05:01:14 AM

change1211:
Your point is interesting but your link doesn't work.


Try this copypasta: http://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?query=BOOKMARK_DS-0515 38_QID_22AF4F5E_UID_-3F171EB0&layout=TIME,C,X,0;GEO,L,Y,0;UNIT,L,Z,0;I NDICATORS,C,Z,1;&zSelection=DS-051538UNIT,NBR;DS-051538INDICATORS,OBS_ FLAG;&rankName1=INDICATORS_1_2_-1_2&rankName2=UNIT_1_2_-1_2&rankName3= TIME_1_1_0_0&rankName4=GEO_1_2_0_1&sortR=DESC_7&ppcRK=FIRST&ppcSO
 
2012-06-11 05:02:04 AM

intelligent comment below: And I'm just explaining why it is horribly wrong. So don't bring up something that is wrong.


I didn't bring it up. Someone else did. I just tried to clarify where the supposed numbers came from.

intelligent comment below: Don't want people responding to what you write? Start your own blog and disable comments.


I don't mind people commenting on what I say. I just prefer they understand it before commenting.
 
2012-06-11 05:07:50 AM

namatad: all we see now is union protection of crimes and insanity


Shouldn't this say all YOU see is union protection of crimes and insanity?

I see good unions and bad unions. Good union members and bad union members.

It appears your confirmation bias guides your argument.
 
2012-06-11 05:14:14 AM

I'm proudly voting for Romney in this upcoming election. Any of you who have a problem with this can kiss my ass. Screwing the working class always yields the most entertaining results, irrespective of era or country, and the GOP has clearly demonstrated their commitment to our entertainment. Guillotines, arson, riots, inflation...I could spend all day listing the reasons why all of this stuff makes for excellent live television. Honestly, has any reality TV show ever come close to the entertainment value of the early 90s LA riots? fark no it hasn't.

cache.boston.com

^^THIS is superior entertainment. As a cable subscriber, I am entitled to at least one big money shot a year, and I'm simply not getting it under an Obama administration. We can do better. The peons need to be pushed to their breaking points and this can only happen under GOP stewardship.

Romney 2012
Poor is a disease
 
2012-06-11 05:26:16 AM
Optional fire protection is already working out well. This frugal homeowner saved $75 off his taxes:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/tennessee-firefighters-wa t ch-home-burn/
 
2012-06-11 05:26:26 AM

contrapunctus: I'm proudly voting for Romney in this upcoming election. Any of you who have a problem with this can kiss my ass. Screwing the working class always yields the most entertaining results, irrespective of era or country, and the GOP has clearly demonstrated their commitment to our entertainment. Guillotines, arson, riots, inflation...I could spend all day listing the reasons why all of this stuff makes for excellent live television. Honestly, has any reality TV show ever come close to the entertainment value of the early 90s LA riots? fark no it hasn't.

[cache.boston.com image 640x360]

^^THIS is superior entertainment. As a cable subscriber, I am entitled to at least one big money shot a year, and I'm simply not getting it under an Obama administration. We can do better. The peons need to be pushed to their breaking points and this can only happen under GOP stewardship.

Romney 2012
Poor is a disease


You still pay for television?

Ha!
 
2012-06-11 05:37:59 AM

bestie1: do not take me seriously: bestie1: Sure you love cops on election day but the other 1,460 days in between they are all Nazi's stopping peace loving protestors from caving in windows.

What just happened in WI that really pisses off the Unions? The government got out of the business of collecting dues and a huge chunk of the members said "fark it why am I paying for this". That is the issue and the Unions won't win on it.

I know the narrative is supposed to be about middle class kulaks who are enslaving the proletariat with their "wages" and "profits"'; but when people are out a job they tend to start to question the protected classes rather then the people who could actually give them a job.

If by "Kulak" you mean "small business owner", no, they're not the ones working to enslave the middle class. Small Business Owners are not the Corpocracy who are doing everything they can to enrich themselves, at the expense of the masses (because once the masses are downtrodden enough, they can be exploited more efficiently for larger profits!)


Really and what evil space alien benefits from evil corporate profits?


So, I'm guessing you're about 19, you just read one of Lenin's speeches for the first time, and you're all hot under the collar about the rights of the proletariat, comrade. Viva Guevara!

I hope that's accurate, because otherwise you're incredibly stupid.

Protip: Nobody will take you seriously if you try to use "kulak" in the 21st century here, Marx.
 
2012-06-11 05:53:16 AM

hubiestubert: Which costs us more?


I was told there would be no math.
 
2012-06-11 06:01:18 AM
I understand wanting to get rid of teachers, because they're women and don't deserve a living wage and should be at home anyway. But cops and firefighters?
 
2012-06-11 06:19:07 AM

serial_crusher: "not hiring more of" == "getting rid of"?


News flash: cops and firefighters retire. You don't replace them, the force shrinks. After layoffs, attrition is second biggest way for corporations to reduce workforce.

Who doesn't know this?
 
2012-06-11 06:42:31 AM
www.usnews.com

EEEEEEEEEEEEEE**IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A CALL PLEASE HANG UP AND TRY AGAIN**EE-EE-EE-EE
 
2012-06-11 06:59:59 AM

kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.


It is true that our Galtian overlords are ubermensch, each singularly capable of achieving any endeavor from sabotaging global industry, to developing the finest metal in world history, to dowsing infernos at steel plants. But they do these things not because they have our best interests in mind. They do these things because they have their own best interests in mind. So long as we're obedient serfs, we're allowed to enjoy the cascade of benefits which flow from their heroic efforts.

Get it straight, bro.
 
2012-06-11 07:12:09 AM

bugontherug: kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.

It is true that our Galtian overlords are ubermensch, each singularly capable of achieving any endeavor from sabotaging global industry, to developing the finest metal in world history, to dowsing infernos at steel plants. But they do these things not because they have our best interests in mind. They do these things because they have their own best interests in mind. So long as we're obedient serfs, we're allowed to enjoy the cascade of benefits which flow from their heroic efforts.

Get it straight, bro.


Too bad there are so many parts of the world willing to provide cheaper serfs than the USA, or else there might be more cascade-basking going on.
 
2012-06-11 07:30:02 AM
And yet I get chain emails from derpy relatives that say it's Obamas fault that companies like GE are leaving Wisconsin. I guess maybe infrastructure and education level may be important when locating your business?
 
2012-06-11 07:34:38 AM
I wouldn't be sad to see a lot of cops lose their jobs, but that has nothing to do with union politics.
 
2012-06-11 07:36:35 AM
In a sick sort of way I want this to happen. A friend is hardcore Republican and his wife a teacher. The schadenfreude will be so delicious when his wife is either laid off or she actually has to compete for her now $10/hour job. Of course, he'll lay blame at the feet of the Democrats.
 
2012-06-11 07:39:10 AM

do not take me seriously: bugontherug: kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.

It is true that our Galtian overlords are ubermensch, each singularly capable of achieving any endeavor from sabotaging global industry, to developing the finest metal in world history, to dowsing infernos at steel plants. But they do these things not because they have our best interests in mind. They do these things because they have their own best interests in mind. So long as we're obedient serfs, we're allowed to enjoy the cascade of benefits which flow from their heroic efforts.

Get it straight, bro.

Too bad there are so many parts of the world willing to provide cheaper serfs than the USA, or else there might be more cascade-basking going on.


You need to take that frown, and turn it upside down! After all:

"What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?"
--Ayn Rand, We the Living

The ubermensch do not exist for OUR benefit. We exist for THEIR benefit.
 
2012-06-11 07:47:28 AM

bugontherug: do not take me seriously: bugontherug: kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.

It is true that our Galtian overlords are ubermensch, each singularly capable of achieving any endeavor from sabotaging global industry, to developing the finest metal in world history, to dowsing infernos at steel plants. But they do these things not because they have our best interests in mind. They do these things because they have their own best interests in mind. So long as we're obedient serfs, we're allowed to enjoy the cascade of benefits which flow from their heroic efforts.

Get it straight, bro.

Too bad there are so many parts of the world willing to provide cheaper serfs than the USA, or else there might be more cascade-basking going on.

You need to take that frown, and turn it upside down! After all:

"What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?"
--Ayn Rand, We the Living

The ubermensch do not exist for OUR benefit. We exist for THEIR benefit.


Is it true that if one eats the brain, heart, and liver of an ubermensch one becomes an ubermensch?

Is that a trick question, as ubermensch have no hearts?
 
2012-06-11 07:55:23 AM
Approves.

/Look it up!
 
2012-06-11 07:55:28 AM

intelligent comment below: Uh huh. And the lowering of crime rates in the 90s had nothing to do with more economic gains for lower classes and more job opportunities? Not to mention the record number of criminals locked in jail for even minor offenses.


Nobody said those weren't contributing factors to lower crime rates in the 90's. They said abortion was also a contributing factor.

And of course it was, because fewer unwanted children meant fewer overwhelmed parents to inflict the sorts of childhood traumas which damage the developing brain, contributing to adult criminality.

Just because empirical reality angers you, doesn't mean you shouldn't acknowledge it. That's a character disorder right there. Probably arising from brain damage sustained in some early childhood trauma.
 
2012-06-11 08:00:06 AM
No, Romney did not say that, subs. At least not that was quoted in the link.

What he said was much more reasonable. If you want smaller government, which is apparently one of romneys goals, why wouldn't you want fewer
policemen, firemen, and
teachers? You can disagree with his smaller govt goal, and of course other factors can shrink government as well (defense, for instance), but what he said wasnt that outrageous.
 
2012-06-11 08:02:30 AM

do not take me seriously: bugontherug: do not take me seriously: bugontherug: kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.

It is true that our Galtian overlords are ubermensch, each singularly capable of achieving any endeavor from sabotaging global industry, to developing the finest metal in world history, to dowsing infernos at steel plants. But they do these things not because they have our best interests in mind. They do these things because they have their own best interests in mind. So long as we're obedient serfs, we're allowed to enjoy the cascade of benefits which flow from their heroic efforts.

Get it straight, bro.

Too bad there are so many parts of the world willing to provide cheaper serfs than the USA, or else there might be more cascade-basking going on.

You need to take that frown, and turn it upside down! After all:

"What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?"
--Ayn Rand, We the Living

The ubermensch do not exist for OUR benefit. We exist for THEIR benefit.

Is it true that if one eats the brain, heart, and liver of an ubermensch one becomes an ubermensch?

Is that a trick question, as ubermensch have no hearts?


Do I read you to insinuate Randian ubermensch are unrealistic? If you had read Atlas Shrugged, you would know they're very realistic. After all:

"I trust that no one will tell me that men such as I write about don't exist. That this book has been written--and published--is my proof that they do."
--Ayn Rand, "About the Author" from the 35th Anniversary Edition of Atlas Shrugged.
 
2012-06-11 08:06:29 AM

cmb53208: Ken VeryBigLiar: ..

Pewaukee also got "the death penalty" more for their shady characters from top to bottom than arresting white guys with the better part of a case of Spotted Cow in them.

Hmmm, I got some bad info then. Clarification appreciated


There could be some validity to a few of the richer people out here leaned on their alders because they felt 'the wrong people" were getting busted; the GF works for another dept. so they all know someone in another place out there. I worked out there for about six months and even my boss (an Am Fam agent as Republican as they came) cautioned not to even do 28 in a 25.
 
2012-06-11 08:07:23 AM

wildcardjack: hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?

You are MISSING THE POINT!

There's at least $100k per year EVAPORATING per classroom. Where the hell is all that money going? Yes, some of that money could be going to after school type programs, but my numbers (from a 2009 Census Bureau report) are for Elementary through HS. Your numbers are including post-secondary education.

Too many administrators and too much pointless teacher retraining. It's inefficient. You have just made an argument in favor of throwing money at a system that's full of black holes.


You do realize that teaching isn't a one for one service, right? You aren't just paying for the teacher to be in front of the class. There's also insurance. There are books and supplies--often many of which, especially at the elementary school level that are supplied out of pocket by the teacher. There are also administrative costs. There is all that testing that we have now--yes, Virginia, all of those standardized tests do cost the districts something. So does keeping track of all of those students. Insuring those students while they are under your roof. Transportation to and from. Cost of the school lunch program. Cost of a breakfast program. Sports program--yup, the equipment costs something to maintain. Any activities programs add onto a school budget as well.

Do you think it's pointless for doctors to maintain their professional development? What about attorneys? What you call "pointless" retraining is keeping current as a professional. As a chef, I have to maintain certain accreditation. Laws do change, after all, and while much of the core of Serv Safe standards are similar, they do vary a bit from state to state. Teachers, likewise continue to develop professionally--teachers aren't just babysitters with degrees, there is actual work in there. Oddly enough, since teachers are subject to the whims of districts, and often mismatched Federal, state, and local goals, they face a morass of standards that are criss-crossed, but expected to ford anyway. That includes evaluation, that means tracking of students across grade levels, that means a LOT of IEPs for special education. There is an enormous amount of paperwork that is associated with teaching today--beyond the grading of the teachers' own testing of the students, planning of lessons, and in professional discussions across multiple teams of teachers consulting with one another, and likewise keeping the State involved.

There IS waste in the system. You only have to look at the Phoenix system as a for instance. Every group of sub-divisions has their own school--each of those schools services a fairly small community, but all of them lean on State and Federal funding sources so that we can help maintain them. Every one of those schools has their own administrative staff, their own bussing, their own custodial staff, their own afterschool programs, their own testing--again, those cost school districts money--and on top of all that, every school has slightly different standards depending on who is running that particular school board. Slightly different standards in administration, those pesky forms, their own filing of records, and more. In order to maintain these schools, separately, every community dips into limited State and Federal wells, along with a diminishing tax base for their own communities.

One way we can weed out some of the grosser inefficiencies to the system is a bit more standardization. Not of the teaching material, but simply at the Administrative level. Likewise, consolidating districts that are just for vanity's sake to keep the "wrong crowd" out of parents' hair wouldn't be bad either. Money, pooled between communities would go further. A LOT of money is pissed away at the Administrative level. Not just in salaries, but in the record keeping itself, the maintenance and upkeep of often aging schools in their infrastructure. In the constant barrage of services that parents demand, but seem a bit reticent to pay for. Let's not forget transportation--that does cost money. The buildings cost money to maintain. Lunchrooms cost money to maintain, to stock, to staff. Libraries cost money to maintain and stock. All the competing sports programs cost money to maintain. Computers cost money. Maintaining that equipment costs money. Licensing software costs money. Networks cost money. Internal security costs money. There is more to education than just paying a teacher. Behind every teacher there are office staff, up the ladder from there. Those all add onto the cost.

What you call "evaporating" is maintaining all the other services that schools are in for. And while we do need to look for efficiency, a lot of that "extra" as you call it, goes fairly high administrative costs, and oddly enough, those superintendents and principles, likewise have to maintain their professional standards too. It goes into the standardized testing, it goes into insurance, it goes into a lot more than just chalk and mimeograph ink.

Teachers are professionals. Even an Elementary Ed degree is a Bachelors of Science, with a fair amount of paperwork to keep track of all those students--yes, that means testing procedures--which oddly enough, change fairly often. In order just to keep up with the shifting vagaries of school districts, there are State and Federal standards that shift fair often. Just to keep up there, means constant training and retraining.

You want to eliminate waste in our schools, then we need to eliminate the mismatch of goals and administrative standards. End the local control of schools and districts would go a long way to edging out the "excess" that you speak of. Every school district generates tons of paperwork and standards that likewise are written and records of kept. Centralize and end the administrative redundancy in maintaining different standards across the board. Testing is necessary, but right now, we are basing funding on standardized tests that are often more about rote memorization than skills based testing. The former is easier to evaluate, but reflects the goals that districts put on teachers to perform according to flawed models. It also doesn't reflect the various learning styles of all students, but forces students to be evaluated on only a tiny portion of the skills that are actually necessary to prepare them for the real world.

Testing is a big part of those costs. Every one of those tests costs the districts money. Money to give the tests, money to keep the records, money that goes into evaluating the data gathered from those tests, and then funding efforts. Then there is grant writing--another fair heavy cost to time and money for teachers--which eats up into time that could be spent teaching. The sheer volume of paperwork associated eats into budgets as well.

It isn't a simple one to one ratio when you speak of the cost of education. There is a vast array of support staff behind every teacher, beyond just a janitor, a school nurse, a lunch staff, bus drivers, and a principal and office staff. Administrative costs are eating up budgets as well, along with that professional development that you seem to take exception to.

Do you like a doctor to keep current in their field? Nurses? Attorneys? That cost is heaped into the service costs in those fields. Teaching shifts standards around just as fast, and teachers need to be kept current on the laws and standards that shift around them, along with the patchwork quilt of goals set by each district. Local school boards add onto the cost as well, and add onto the material and standards that teacher are required to be kept current on. We can eliminate a lot of the "waste" as you call it, by eliminating local control of schools, and centralized administration alone. It would also mean teachers would need less retraining just to keep up with the patchwork quilt of standards, and more time actually teaching, than planning and maintaining a LOT of paperwork to go to the local, State, and Federal levels.
 
2012-06-11 08:10:54 AM
How does someone this dumb get that rich
 
2012-06-11 08:13:29 AM

CPennypacker: How does someone this dumb get that rich


3.bp.blogspot.com

"There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first, be smarter, or cheat."
 
2012-06-11 08:13:53 AM

CPennypacker: How does someone this dumb get that rich


It helps when you start off with money to begin with...
 
2012-06-11 08:16:56 AM
Scary when the socioeconomic premise of a 80's movie takes more and more steps toward reality almost daily.
 
2012-06-11 08:17:39 AM
80's movie being Robocop... derp me.
 
2012-06-11 08:21:54 AM
i50.tinypic.com

Fixed the headers for you.
 
2012-06-11 08:23:19 AM
Skimmed through the entire thread, but didn't see any mention that Romney didn't say anything about cutbacks. From CNN, which as near as I can figure out was the original source of the quote from a Romney conference call Link:

Romney said of Obama, "he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

Nice try, subby, thinkprogress, gawker, & other propagandists...
 
2012-06-11 08:23:24 AM

hubiestubert: CPennypacker: How does someone this dumb get that rich

It helps when you start off with money to begin with...

 
2012-06-11 08:25:22 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Why, the church of course!

(Purely on a voluntary basis. Jesus will take care of any overflow!)
 
2012-06-11 08:27:57 AM
I like Rmoney. He thinks the way I do. I like anarchy. Every man for imself, ya know? There's a spirit there. In keeping with inevitable zombie apocalypse. Why the hate?
 
2012-06-11 08:34:54 AM

do not take me seriously: whidbey: As if we need any more evidence that the Republicans just simply need to dispense with a convention this year and turn the lights out on the way out the door.

Oh wait. Half the country wants to vote for this idiot, I guess, or something...

Nowhere close to half the country wants to vote for this idiot, but as it's a two party system, it is in the interest of the "news" media to portray it as a close race so we'll keep watching, and clicking links, and making them money.


Don't be too sure of that.
The collective ignorance of the population of this country is staggering.
 
2012-06-11 08:35:00 AM

hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?


So, kids with behavioral problems shouldn't get any unique attention? Just toss them in with the rest of the kids and hope for the best?
I get the feeling that the prices on the right column are significantly affected by the fact that the bad apples were removed from that equation.
 
2012-06-11 08:36:39 AM

wooden_badger: do not take me seriously: whidbey: As if we need any more evidence that the Republicans just simply need to dispense with a convention this year and turn the lights out on the way out the door.

Oh wait. Half the country wants to vote for this idiot, I guess, or something...

Nowhere close to half the country wants to vote for this idiot, but as it's a two party system, it is in the interest of the "news" media to portray it as a close race so we'll keep watching, and clicking links, and making them money.

Don't be too sure of that.
The collective ignorance of the population of this country is staggering.


Thanks to it being a 2 party system, you don't need half the country to want to vote for him either. Half the country just has to hate Obama enough to give the other guy a try.
 
2012-06-11 08:38:47 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


The new world order party.
Once you controll the edumakashen, and the po-po, and the fire, oog oog. You control everyone!

EVERYONE!
 
2012-06-11 08:49:01 AM

Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.


The primary message that those buffoons gave was one of two things:

1.) "LOL, BUTT HURT LIBS"

2.) SOCALIMS

Seriously. That's the two answers they give, over and over. Now and again you'll see some pious moron whining about public Unions, but most of their talking points are from the right wing echo chamber.

Romney is a moron. So is Walker. They represent the gold standard of what the GOP has now. The party does not need decent candidates: they have willing idiots who will vote "R" no matter what.
 
2012-06-11 08:50:25 AM
Unrelated,but I've been staring at the picture for days now, and haven't seen this done
i.chzbgr.com

/Yes, I have posted this identical post in a bunch of politics threads.
 
2012-06-11 08:53:12 AM
In exchange for a period of indentured servitude, Rmoney and his buddies will come over and piss on your house when it catches fire.
 
2012-06-11 09:02:08 AM

bugontherug: do not take me seriously: bugontherug: do not take me seriously: bugontherug: kmmontandon: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Billionaires.

Our Galtian overlords are masters of all trades, and totally have our best interests in mind.

It is true that our Galtian overlords are ubermensch, each singularly capable of achieving any endeavor from sabotaging global industry, to developing the finest metal in world history, to dowsing infernos at steel plants. But they do these things not because they have our best interests in mind. They do these things because they have their own best interests in mind. So long as we're obedient serfs, we're allowed to enjoy the cascade of benefits which flow from their heroic efforts.

Get it straight, bro.

Too bad there are so many parts of the world willing to provide cheaper serfs than the USA, or else there might be more cascade-basking going on.

You need to take that frown, and turn it upside down! After all:

"What are your masses but mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned for those who deserve it?"
--Ayn Rand, We the Living

The ubermensch do not exist for OUR benefit. We exist for THEIR benefit.

Is it true that if one eats the brain, heart, and liver of an ubermensch one becomes an ubermensch?

Is that a trick question, as ubermensch have no hearts?

Do I read you to insinuate Randian ubermensch are unrealistic? If you had read Atlas Shrugged, you would know they're very realistic. After all:

"I trust that no one will tell me that men such as I write about don't exist. That this book has been written--and published--is my proof that they do."
--Ayn Rand, "About the Author" from the 35th Anniversary Edition of Atlas Shrugged.


I trust that no one will tell me that the midget crab-men of K'wyzalar Seven-Stroke-Four-Slash-Yellow such as I write about don't exist. That this post has been written--and published on the internet--is my proof that they do.
 
2012-06-11 09:02:28 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Privatize the police and fire departments

/that worked so well in the 19th century
//and fits right in with the GOP "Forward, into the past" agenda


I, for one, think our modern society experiences a deplorable lack of fire-company brawls. US cities would be much safer places if every year or so a whole block burned down because the firemen were too busy beating each other up to extinguish a simple kitchen burn.
 
2012-06-11 09:03:39 AM
Back to the topic:

One of the first problems with the Liberal=Fascists models, that is popular thanks to Jonah Goldberg and others, is that Fascists were very much down on organization of the workers. The confluence of government and business that is the model of the Fascist state is an elimination of any sort of power sharing between the state, business and workers. It is a strict top down model that says whatever the State says is good, is. If the State demands more work, for less pay, then there cannot be any form of dissension from that.

Unions look out for the interests of the workers, and to balance the power that management puts onto their wages and work, and yes, that drains profits. Because everything drains profits. Marketing drains profits. Packaging drains profits. Development drains profits. Workman's compensation drains profits. Maintenance of production facilities drains profits. Paying executives drains profits. Public relations drains profits. Simple entropy associated to any facility drains profits. Buying materials drains profits. At least if you look at cash flow in alone. In that ideal world, businesses should only strive to reduce their costs by eliminating workers, eliminating maintenance, eliminating delivery of goods, eliminating materials. Which, oddly enough, is impossible, unless your business is simply marketing ideas, and even then there are costs associated. The closest we have of that pure model, and even that has costs which run into the millions of dollars in litigation, is with the RIAA suing the bejeebus out of folks over intellectual property infringement--oddly enough, which is based on a model that is supposed to be protecting the rights of the intellectual property holders, but tends to favor the folks who produced the work at a physical level, and less about the IP originator.

Elimination of unions is about limiting the rights of workers, to protest, to hold their own labor to be of value. It diminishes costs for the business, and is supposed to make things more efficient. In a way, it does, but you have to ask yourself for whose benefit? It isn't the loosey-goosey Left that is looking to take a hard right turn and eliminate workers rights to association and the right to the courts to redress wrongs, or enter into contracts freely. That is very much the issue. So long as management maintains the right to associate, and to organize their industries, then workers likewise have a right to look out for their own interests.

There are good unions. There are bad unions. You have to look at the situation, and you have to look at the discussions on a case for case basis. There is room for accommodation, which is why there is collective bargaining. It allows workers to pool their resources to send their own representatives into the court room and to negotiate on their behalf, you know, while they are busy actually working.

Now then, if you want to eliminate unions, you have to likewise eliminate any sort of trade associations in industry as well. No more industry conferences. No more lobbying by industry reps. Folks are hoping to eliminate one foot on a three legged stool, and hoping that the world will work out, so that the balance can remain on the other two legs indefinitely. It is a sort of impressive goal, but none too practical.

Workers are actually on the floor. They know better than anyone the actual condition of the facilities. They are at the heart of any organization or business. They are not just producing, they are likewise eyes to the ground at the most basic level. Good management realizes this, and prizes that, but when you introduce other factors into the mix, like shareholder interests, which pull management from just the production and facilities, there are often conflicting goals.

In this same way, teachers, cops, firemen, and other government worker based unions, are on the ground, and are uniquely qualified to comment on what is actually needed, as opposed to what someone who is removed from the ground maintains is important. Much like a solider who realizes that the gun that he was issued, and apparently tested, tends to jam, or that lo, the intelligence gathered that said there were no snipers in region, he's still getting shot at.

Simply being up the chain and removed from the situation on the ground doesn't mean that folks understand the real conditions, and the real challenges. In an ideal world, those folks up the chain listen to the local management on what conditions are like, and move to respond appropriately. The world isn't ideal, so it's up to the folks on the ground to push back and demand better, because they're the ones who have to deal with the ground conditions. Being up the ladder often means being removed from those conditions, and all the foresight in the world, and lofty vantage looking out to the future of the company or over all strategy isn't going to stop a production line from grinding to a halt because maintenance was ignored, and a problem that was seen by the folks on said production line and reported as being necessary to fix was shuffled off as being too unimportant or just grousing.

Management and labor don't have to conflict, but they tend to because their goals are slightly different, and their perspective is slightly different. In the end, you have to have balance between the two, and the third leg of the stool, in government, to regulate safety and production standards for the public as well as for the folks who run the company, and those who produce the goods. Upsetting that balance is only a short term solution, and it then throws things wildly out of skew later, as new issues arise.
 
2012-06-11 09:03:51 AM
In the days of private fire protection the highest bidder often won the "save yer house shuffle". Read about the big fire on Nantucket Island in the 19th century... half the town burned because the fire company would only save the highest bidder.

Same with private security. Like most cops are barely responsible now for their actions now. How bad will it be when they're only accountable to come shiatty corporation?

Teachers? Ohio's private charter schools are doing pretty poorly. Many have outright failed and closed due to lack of revenue, even with, get this, massive state aid. Even the school Kasich sent his kids closed. The only Charters I know that succeed have some sort of niche market. And most of them still are inferior to public schools in the area. (That is until Romeny and his state-level cronies get their hands on the budget)

Basically the alternative these assgoblins are promoting has already been tried and are largely failures. They just do not work as replacements for public services. More expensive, fewer services and poor quality for the most part. But keep farking the chicken, GOP. Sad part is that I know the rubes will still go with it.
 
2012-06-11 09:06:19 AM

serial_crusher: wooden_badger: do not take me seriously: whidbey: As if we need any more evidence that the Republicans just simply need to dispense with a convention this year and turn the lights out on the way out the door.

Oh wait. Half the country wants to vote for this idiot, I guess, or something...

Nowhere close to half the country wants to vote for this idiot, but as it's a two party system, it is in the interest of the "news" media to portray it as a close race so we'll keep watching, and clicking links, and making them money.

Don't be too sure of that.
The collective ignorance of the population of this country is staggering.

Thanks to it being a 2 party system, you don't need half the country to want to vote for him either. Half the country just has to hate Obama enough to give the other guy a try.


Even then, half is a bit of a stretch. Isn't the typical turnout in the US something like 20, 25%? So basically, half of one fourth of the people in the US are willing to vote for him.
 
2012-06-11 09:09:33 AM

serial_crusher: hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 640x487]

Which costs us more?

So, kids with behavioral problems shouldn't get any unique attention? Just toss them in with the rest of the kids and hope for the best?
I get the feeling that the prices on the right column are significantly affected by the fact that the bad apples were removed from that equation.


There are a lot of factors beyond just a simple graphic. That was an example of the costs of educating a populace, and leaving them to hang.

Oddly enough, those behavioral needs kids, and special education are part of the "excess" that wildcardjack was going on about. Evaluation, and dealing with those exceptions put a fair strain on teacher time and school budgets--to track, to evaluate, to administrate, to service, and at the same time, give those kids a fairly normal existence and help them succeed. It was perhaps petty, but the pithy ignorance of his "evaporation" model in education costs was likewise a grossly dumbed down evaluation of the education system.

I will cop to being a bit petty with that.
 
2012-06-11 09:12:23 AM

hubiestubert: Back to the topic:

(long, logical post snipped for brevity's sake. Scroll up and read it)



You're wasting you time. This isn't about education, or even "smaller" government. Greed and personal envy cause people to want to "punish" teachers. No matter what points you bring up, all the see is three months paid vacation in the summer, a decent salary, and a better benefits package than they have. Instead of wondering why they don't deserve a better deal, they just want to tear down the guy who has one. Too late they realized that working for "the man" is a con game and they want everyone to feel as screwed as they are.
 
2012-06-11 09:13:59 AM
Brilliant! What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-06-11 09:14:50 AM
WI was a trial run for divide-and-conquer. They know the economy is miserable enough that they can persuade half the working class to hate the other half now, so here comes the nation-wide kill-shot.

I think a lot of the non-WI people who expressed a "those people over there deserve it" philosophy to Walker might get a taste of this tactic a little closer to home. And when it happens I'll be there to say "you don't deserve this".
 
2012-06-11 09:15:24 AM

contrapunctus:
Romney 2012
Poor is a disease


Unfortunately, its a disease that seems to becoming more virulent lately.
 
2012-06-11 09:15:59 AM
So, subby, if you're not adding any new wives, does that mean you're getting rid of your old one?
 
2012-06-11 09:18:08 AM
Dear Republicans,

When the poor, dumb masses finally get sick of you and start burning down your homes who are you going to turn to?

Police, Firemen, and Teachers are cornerstones of a civilized society.

Sincerely,
Sane people everywhere.
 
2012-06-11 09:21:45 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: OK - now they're just punking us. Police and Fire are the two absolute untouchables of the government world - and teachers are not far behind.




Not to a vulture capitalist like Romney.
 
2012-06-11 09:24:45 AM
We should just skip to the part where we disband government entirely and let Mitt Romney run Bartertown. Ron Paul can run St. God's Memorial Hospital.
 
2012-06-11 09:26:02 AM
Good, especially on the teachers and police.
 
2012-06-11 09:27:24 AM
The mental gymnastics needed to embrace a Don't Tread On Me sign while simultaneously bowing down to corporate power is a f*cking mental disorder. The same way we look back at burning witches with amazement, hundreds of years from now whatever society is around will look back at us and wonder how propaganda controlled humanity.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-11 09:30:27 AM
Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.
 
2012-06-11 09:33:38 AM

beta_plus: Good, especially on the teachers and police.


Bear in mind, this is only Act 1. By the time Act 3 rolls around, you may not be applauding so loudly.
 
2012-06-11 09:37:53 AM

Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.


Well, actually the federal government has a huge bureaucracy called the Department of Education, multiple layers of law enforcement, firefighters who, among other things, respond to wildfires on federal lands but I get your point.

Also, Obama propped up state and local union workers temporarily with billions in stimulus dollars.

But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.
 
2012-06-11 09:38:21 AM

eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.


But correlation equals causation! The decrease in violent crimes is due to the tripling of officers! And if crime rates increase again we need more officers! Either way we need moar officers!

True story. My city currently has enough school space and teachers for 13000 more kids than currently enrolled. The city council solution, all democrats, was to build new super schools for even more classroom space. No layoffs are coming. Liberals never have a reason to actuality reduce, even in this blatant example. It's a never ending quest of growth.
 
2012-06-11 09:49:08 AM

MyRandomName: eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.

But correlation equals causation! The decrease in violent crimes is due to the tripling of officers! And if crime rates increase again we need more officers! Either way we need moar officers!

True story. My city currently has enough school space and teachers for 13000 more kids than currently enrolled. The city council solution, all democrats, was to build new super schools for even more classroom space. No layoffs are coming. Liberals never have a reason to actuality reduce, even in this blatant example. It's a never ending quest of growth.


Sounds weirdly like GOP States building excess Prison space, only schools aren't exactly like prisons last time I checked.

So in conclusion: Liberals =Teachers and Schools and an Educated Populus. GOP=more Prisons with empty cells demanding to be filled with Incarcerated Citizens so the Free Market can work as it should.

Got it!
 
2012-06-11 09:51:25 AM

GoodyearPimp: In a sick sort of way I want this to happen. A friend is hardcore Republican and his wife a teacher. The schadenfreude will be so delicious when his wife is either laid off or she actually has to compete for her now $10/hour job. Of course, he'll lay blame at the feet of the Democrats.


I've already seen this happen. The husband is a jackass. I can't wait for his wife to leave him, she deserves better. He's spent the last year bashing teachers' unions, and teachers in general, all while she sits there scowling at him. She lost her jobs as a result of cuts to funding in their school district, and he blamed Obama for her job loss, even though he was heralding Walker as a hero for cutting school funding earlier in that same conversation.

I have no idea how people can help someone screw over their own family, then blame someone else for the negative impact on their family.
 
2012-06-11 09:52:23 AM

Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.


I beg to differ. I live close to the Cherokee Indian Reservation, and the teachers there are federal employees.
 
2012-06-11 09:52:54 AM
"Is that exactly what he said subby?"

Is this what it takes to get green lit on Fark, false quotes?
 
2012-06-11 10:03:27 AM

Cletus C.: Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.

Well, actually the federal government has a huge bureaucracy called the Department of Education, multiple layers of law enforcement, firefighters who, among other things, respond to wildfires on federal lands but I get your point.

Also, Obama propped up state and local union workers temporarily with billions in stimulus dollars.

But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.


You are so right, brother. Cut the schools, Cut the police, Cut the fire departments. As long as nobody stops the corn subsidies, and the oil subsidies, or the tax cuts for those making >100,000 a year, or the defense budget, or the no-bid-contract system that dominates the outsourcing of government service to "private contractors"

Slash healthcare- do away with Education completely, expunge the EPA.

I've got myself a hammer, a drill, a pneumatic splitter, and a fiber-optic surgical camera; I'm heading to NYC and I'm gonna find me one of these Randian ubermenches and eat his liver, brain, and heart.

/The surgical camera is so I can find the heart- I assume it's tiny.
//I've also got a very large bottle of hot-sauce
 
2012-06-11 10:04:51 AM

DrD'isInfotainment: MyRandomName: eurotrader: There is an excessive amount of police officers in the US. The number of sworn peace officers has more than tripled in the past twenty years to over 1.2 million while the population has only grown by about 24%. Police are needed but with the hiring binge the number of people that are officers that have no business carrying a gun and badge has exploded. I do not think that was what Romney was getting at but it should be explored.

But correlation equals causation! The decrease in violent crimes is due to the tripling of officers! And if crime rates increase again we need more officers! Either way we need moar officers!

True story. My city currently has enough school space and teachers for 13000 more kids than currently enrolled. The city council solution, all democrats, was to build new super schools for even more classroom space. No layoffs are coming. Liberals never have a reason to actuality reduce, even in this blatant example. It's a never ending quest of growth.

Sounds weirdly like GOP States building excess Prison space, only schools aren't exactly like prisons last time I checked.


Not till we can repeal those damn "child labor laws"

Damn economy stifling libs!
 
2012-06-11 10:06:09 AM

Richard Flaccid: "Is that exactly what he said subby?"

Is this what it takes to get green lit on Fark, false quotes?


Usually it's just some butthurt conservative posting a logical fallacy and claiming socialisms.

This is a nice change.
 
2012-06-11 10:06:27 AM

ObeliskToucher: Skimmed through the entire thread, but didn't see any mention that Romney didn't say anything about cutbacks. From CNN, which as near as I can figure out was the original source of the quote from a Romney conference call Link:

Romney said of Obama, "he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

Nice try, subby, thinkprogress, gawker, & other propagandists...


Cutting back on government means having fewer teachers, firefighters, and police according to Romney. Do you work for his campaign?
 
2012-06-11 10:11:12 AM

do not take me seriously: Cletus C.: Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.

Well, actually the federal government has a huge bureaucracy called the Department of Education, multiple layers of law enforcement, firefighters who, among other things, respond to wildfires on federal lands but I get your point.

Also, Obama propped up state and local union workers temporarily with billions in stimulus dollars.

But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.

You are so right, brother. Cut the schools, Cut the police, Cut the fire departments. As long as nobody stops the corn subsidies, and the oil subsidies, or the tax cuts for those making >100,000 a year, or the defense budget, or the no-bid-contract system that dominates the outsourcing of government service to "private contractors"

Slash healthcare- do away with Education completely, expunge the EPA.

I've got myself a hammer, a drill, a pneumatic splitter, and a fiber-optic surgical camera; I'm heading to NYC and I'm gonna find me one of these Randian ubermenches and eat his liver, brain, and heart.

/The surgical camera is so I can find the heart- I assume it's tiny.
//I've also got a very large bottle of hot-sauce


That's what happens when you don't add government jobs?

I may need to reconsider my position.
 
2012-06-11 10:14:05 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


Private contractors on No Bid government hand outs.
 
2012-06-11 10:14:28 AM
Also Romney still gets it wrong since Firefighters and Police were never made an issue. Only those evil teachers needed to be trashed.
 
2012-06-11 10:16:11 AM
One of the key tactics of the Obama campaign is, I'm sure, giving Rmoney plenty of opportunities to talk. Just let him talk. It doesn't take long before this sort of thing comes out. Government is bad. Unions are bad. Firefighters are in unions and work for the government. Therefore firefighters are bad and we should get rid of them.

That's where this kind of thinking ends up. Centrists will react with, "Wait, what?" when they hear it. It's one thing to talk about renegotiating contracts during tough times (the grownup option). It's another to begin the job by prying collective bargaining away from unions (the teabagger option). But it's jumping off a cliff to conclude, "We just need to cut back on the number of firefighters," especially when the rhetoric around the whole story makes it clear that "cut back" is the first step. "First we begin by cutting back on Medicare. Then we eliminate it." "First we begin by cutting back on Social Security. Then we keep going until we can drown it in the bathtub."

Now plug in "firefighters."

"Wait, what?"

It only takes one house, with one dead child, and one slow response time because a firehouse got shut down, to send that "philosophy" whipping back at Rmoney's head.

Especially since his response will begin with, "I'm not concerned about burned children."

Let him talk. Get out of his way. Don't interrupt. Just keep feeding him rope.
 
2012-06-11 10:16:16 AM

Richard Flaccid: "Is that exactly what he said subby?"

Is this what it takes to get green lit on Fark, false quotes?


You're right, in this scenario, he did not say exactly that. So the quotes are misleading. What subby wrote however means EXACTLY the same thing as what Romney actually did say.

So please, tell us how your ass is erupting in false equivalency butthurt and we'll tell you to cool in a river of patriotic Eagle tears.
 
2012-06-11 10:23:46 AM

Cat Food Sandwiches: Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.

I beg to differ. I live close to the Cherokee Indian Reservation, and the teachers there are federal employees.


Well, I learned something today.


Cletus C.: But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.


1. The federal deficit isn't this big because of teachers / policemen / firefighters.
2. The federal government is essentially borrowing at negative rates right now. This indicates to me that "the reality of the federal deficit" is not nearly as bad as conservatives make it out to be.

Think of it this way -- businesses, investors, retirement funds etc. are INVESTING in the federal government. We should elect leaders and representatives who are willing to do MORE with that money, not LESS.
 
2012-06-11 10:31:55 AM

propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.


Perhaps you could consider joining the Military, then. With the stellar benefits, including education packages, health care options, firearms training, and help buying a home, it may be your best option, poor people.

Get Rich, Go to Jail, Become a Murder Victim or Join the Military.

Welcome to the new America.
 
2012-06-11 10:39:20 AM

propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.


What happens when my fire spreads to your property?
 
2012-06-11 10:49:10 AM

Cletus C.: do not take me seriously: Cletus C.: Arkanaut: Point of information: the federal government doesn't have any teachers, policemen, or firemen on its payroll.

Well, actually the federal government has a huge bureaucracy called the Department of Education, multiple layers of law enforcement, firefighters who, among other things, respond to wildfires on federal lands but I get your point.

Also, Obama propped up state and local union workers temporarily with billions in stimulus dollars.

But Romney's comment that the government needs to contract rather than add employees, fire, teachers, police or whatever, doesn't seem irresponsible if you're willing to look at the the reality of the federal deficit. But that's so much easier to ignore, especially in an election year.

You are so right, brother. Cut the schools, Cut the police, Cut the fire departments. As long as nobody stops the corn subsidies, and the oil subsidies, or the tax cuts for those making >100,000 a year, or the defense budget, or the no-bid-contract system that dominates the outsourcing of government service to "private contractors"

Slash healthcare- do away with Education completely, expunge the EPA.

I've got myself a hammer, a drill, a pneumatic splitter, and a fiber-optic surgical camera; I'm heading to NYC and I'm gonna find me one of these Randian ubermenches and eat his liver, brain, and heart.

/The surgical camera is so I can find the heart- I assume it's tiny.
//I've also got a very large bottle of hot-sauce

That's what happens when you don't add government jobs?

I may need to reconsider my position.


No, that's how I become an ubermensch. Haven't you read the thread in which you're posting?
 
2012-06-11 10:50:23 AM
WE ARE WINNING!!!
 
2012-06-11 11:14:04 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: It also occurs to me that Walker and Romney both taking credit for "The Message of Wisconsin" and its actual content, could turn into the most entertaining biatch-fight of the season.


Agreed. I'm already deeply amused that Walker verbally slapped Rmoney like that.

Rmoney, how in the hell can you win in November? People generally aren't excited about Obama, but your own party isn't even excited about you.
 
2012-06-11 11:20:53 AM
Ben Franklin Wept.
 
2012-06-11 11:27:28 AM

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?


I don't know about you, but I have a garden hose good & ready to fight my own house fires without any big government intervention.

I'm boot strappy.
 
2012-06-11 11:36:44 AM

Graffito: propasaurus: Lorelle: GAT_00: I think Romney should make a national policy address talking about why we need to fire police and firefighters, since those groups tend to vote Republican.

He probably thinks that everyone will be better off if we go back to relying on private contractors for security (e.g., Pinkertons), and have only all-volunteer fire departments.

THIS.
That's exactly what the plan is. Private schools, private cops. Can't afford to have the private fire company put out your fire? Your own damn fault you weren't born rich.

What happens when my fire spreads to your property?


The stock of the fire protection company goes up?
 
2012-06-11 11:59:57 AM

r1chard3: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Back to the good ole days when the fire company would show up at your burning house and leap into action.

Negotiating the fee.

Or even better. Two rival companies would show up and get into a brawl over whose turf your building was in while it burns to the ground.


OR - make a contract with property flippers and insurance companies so that when your property burns down they can move in and buy it can give the fire company their "cut". Even better if you replace "when" with "WHEN" and deal in the arsonists...
 
2012-06-11 12:14:58 PM
This PR push was a weak counter punch to Obama's already historic fail on the state of the economy.

Obamas are really getting desperate. And, it's only June.
 
2012-06-11 12:31:11 PM
I mean, teachers, sure, they're just gobbling at the government trough and singlehandedly destroying society, but the dudes with the guns and the hoses?!?! Apparently Romeny didn't learn much from the WI recall because even Scott Walker knew to leave the police and firefighters alone...
 
2012-06-11 12:42:03 PM
there is plenty of opportunity to cut government elsewhere, but i think what he is saying is it is not political suicide to go after these groups. Voters are informed enough to know that just because you are cutting some teachers or reigning in the unions doesn't mean you are against schools and education. I'd start somewhere else, personally.
 
2012-06-11 12:42:58 PM
YOUR REPUBLICAN CANIDATE FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA


Seriously, I know some people say the two party system is more political theatre than true choice, but now this is just WWE levels of insanity.
 
2012-06-11 01:16:52 PM

Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.


Practical experience. My small business ran an exhibition in downtown Philly. Everything I brought in was on casters, yet they charged $5K to move it from the loading dock to a spot on the convention floor not more than 200 feet away. I watched 3 grown men huddle around a crate that could be rolled by a 100 pound woman. They had to make 3 whole trips to get everything. This kind of crap is par for the course at these events. These are jobs that high schoolers could do for $10 an hour. I understand that there are for more skilled laborers out there but this sort of thing is obscene.

Unions also disgust me because they want to retain people based upon seniority and not merit.
 
2012-06-11 01:19:28 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155433/77400094#c77400094" target="_blank">gaslight</a>:</b> <i>So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?</i>


Rmoney doesn't need those services. his rich friends don't either. as long as they can cut back the government they can pay less and less taxes over time. the government is ruining their lifestyle.

they're getting tired of sending money to the caymen islands and swiss bank accounts to avoid taxes.
 
2012-06-11 01:23:34 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7155433/77414728#c77414728" target="_blank">Opeth1429</a>:</b> <i>Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldnt mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.

Practical experience. My small business ran an exhibition in downtown Philly. Everything I brought in was on casters, yet they charged $5K to move it from the loading dock to a spot on the convention floor not more than 200 feet away. I watched 3 grown men huddle around a crate that could be rolled by a 100 pound woman. They had to make 3 whole trips to get everything. This kind of crap is par for the course at these events. These are jobs that high schoolers could do for $10 an hour. I understand that there are for more skilled laborers out there but this sort of thing is obscene.

Unions also disgust me because they want to retain people based upon seniority and not merit.</i>

Anecdote, check.
Ideology, check.

Opinion noted.
 
2012-06-11 01:43:31 PM
Hey, Romney is just growing his base.
 
2012-06-11 01:50:53 PM

leftteffticle: Apparently Romeny didn't learn much from the WI recall because even Scott Walker knew to leave the police and firefighters alone...


Only those officers and firefighers in the deepest throes of denial won't admit that they'll get the same treatment sometime in the next five to ten years.
 
2012-06-11 01:57:50 PM
Um, duh?!

The Republican party wants to privatize everything. THey are already doing it in Indiana with private education and private prisons.
 
2012-06-11 02:00:31 PM
It's because retarded scare tactics like this have been used far too long to justify the explosion of big government. Don't want to support some ill-conceived public project? You must want houses to burn down & crime in the streets & no more teachers!

I am also sick of unions threatening to not do their job over some petty demand. Even worse so when they are already well paid, tenured, getting every weekend and holiday off...

The message for unions is do your damn job and be competitive or you might just have to find a job in the real world some day if the taxpayers need to get out of debt.
 
2012-06-11 02:04:33 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: leftteffticle: Apparently Romeny didn't learn much from the WI recall because even Scott Walker knew to leave the police and firefighters alone...

Only those officers and firefighers in the deepest throes of denial won't admit that they'll get the same treatment sometime in the next five to ten years.


Oh most certainly... their constant and continuous presence at all protest events (including the bagpipers leading a procession around the square on Tues night after the results were called), the way in which they handled the protests (no one got beat for no reason in Madison, unlike at Occupy and other similar protest movements) and Mahlon Mitchell's candidacy speak loudly to their understanding that they're just as farked as the rest of us. I spoke with a state trooper from N. WI at the Capitol last year when I was camping out and he told me he's a republican but he was happy to be there even though it meant working 15 hr shifts and sleeping on a cot away from his family because there but for the grace...
 
2012-06-11 02:43:34 PM

Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldn't mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.


In their day, unions were totally awesome. They utilized the power of unity to force legislative changes that will be felt forever. Things like minimum wages, the 40-hour work week, OSHA regulations- we owe Unions for these, plain and simple. A legacy historic in its proportions.

On the other hand, all of these achievements are decades old. Once Unions achieved these basic minimums, they had to keep providing "advancements" to justify the continued payment of Union Dues, to continue their political power, as well as the luxurious salaries of the Officers. The problem: once you reach a tipping point, then all the "advancements" you achieve are at the cost of the sustainability of the very company you are relying on for your continued employment. When these costs become large enough, it's only a matter of time before the company goes under. When the "company" is a government, either local or regional, the Union effectively has their hands in the pockets of an agency that, by its very definition, has its hands in the pockets of every taxpayer. Not acceptable, at least to me.
 
2012-06-11 02:47:31 PM

FrailChild: It's because retarded scare tactics like this have been used far too long to justify the explosion of big government. Don't want to support some ill-conceived public project? You must want houses to burn down & crime in the streets & no more teachers!

I am also sick of unions threatening to not do their job over some petty demand. Even worse so when they are already well paid, tenured, getting every weekend and holiday off...

The message for unions is do your damn job and be competitive or you might just have to find a job in the real world some day if the taxpayers need to get out of debt.


You're right. I never seen a cop, firefighter, teacher, carpenter or plumber do a lick of work except Monday through Friday, 9-5. You never see a cop out on a Saturday night working. Firefighters just let houses burn to the ground on holidays. Teachers never grade papers or attend seminars unless it's on that taxpayer's dime. If your pipes burst on a weekend, good luck getting any plumber to come and do an emergency repair.

Yup. They're all the same, every last one of them.
 
2012-06-11 03:18:22 PM

HAMMERTOE: Generation_D: Why do people all hate union workers, seriously? I have some theories, but wouldn't mind hearing the Fark Independents tell their side.

In their day, unions were totally awesome. They utilized the power of unity to force legislative changes that will be felt forever. Things like minimum wages, the 40-hour work week, OSHA regulations- we owe Unions for these, plain and simple. A legacy historic in its proportions.

On the other hand, all of these achievements are decades old. Once Unions achieved these basic minimums, they had to keep providing "advancements" to justify the continued payment of Union Dues, to continue their political power, as well as the luxurious salaries of the Officers. The problem: once you reach a tipping point, then all the "advancements" you achieve are at the cost of the sustainability of the very company you are relying on for your continued employment. When these costs become large enough, it's only a matter of time before the company goes under. When the "company" is a government, either local or regional, the Union effectively has their hands in the pockets of an agency that, by its very definition, has its hands in the pockets of every taxpayer. Not acceptable, at least to me.


Yea, unions are bad now, because workers have it great. That's why our wages haven't been going up and all the growth in the country goes towards management: because unions representing the worker are just too darn powerful and overreaching.
 
2012-06-11 03:35:00 PM
So we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police? I don't get the troll-tastic headline. Hard to bite down on this one.
 
2012-06-11 03:50:11 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar:

There could be some validity to a few of the richer people out here leaned on their alders because they felt 'the wrong people" were getting busted; the GF works for another dept. so they all know someone in another place out there. I worked out there for about six months and even my boss (an Am Fam agent as Republican as they came) cautioned not to even do 28 in a 25.


Birch, please.
 
2012-06-11 03:52:11 PM

Wook: So we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police? I don't get the troll-tastic headline. Hard to bite down on this one.


"He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people."

One of two things are possible here.

1. "Cut back on government" here does not mean reducing the number of teachers, police officers and firefighters, in which case the statement is a non-sequitur.

Or

2. "Cut back on government" *does* mean reducing the number of teachers, police officers and firefighters. This is not "we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police." This is "we need to have fewer teachers, fire fighters and police."

Rmoney's message was #2. Because (as others have said) the unions have too much power, which is why all of the new income goes to management and investors, rather than workers. Because unions are too powerful. Unions. Too powerful. Bankers. Too regulated.

And the second the crime rate ticks up even slightly, Rmoney will start shrieking that Obama has gutted our law enforcement agencies, and that is the reason for the soaring crime rate.

Also, the right loves to make the point, "You could take away every penny from every millionaire and you wouldn't even dent the deficit." But they apparently believe that reducing the number of teachers, police and firefighters will dent it.

This Is Your Modern Republican Party.
 
2012-06-11 03:56:34 PM

Smackledorfer:

Yea, unions are bad now, because workers have it great. That's why our wages haven't been going up and all the growth in the country goes towards management: because unions representing the worker are just too darn powerful and overreaching.


The flaw in your sarcasm is that you are alluding to the fact that unions represent the worker. While that was true in the past, the unions of today are nothing but a bunch of bloodsucking lawyers that claim to represent the workers, while finding bigger and better ways to line their pockets. The union leaders of today are the politicians that we'll be biatching about tomorrow...
 
2012-06-11 04:00:11 PM
FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR A NEW TOMORROW!!!
 
2012-06-11 04:10:46 PM

cabbyman: FREEDOM AND JUSTICE FOR A NEW TOMORROW!!!


Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose... WELCOME TO TOMORROW!
 
2012-06-11 04:20:55 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-11 04:37:41 PM

Wook: So we always need to have more teachers, fire fighters and police?


Yes. They do not represent successful God-Tier professions (see=engineering). They must be marginalized and thinned from our ranks.
 
2012-06-11 04:41:09 PM

REO-Weedwagon: The mental gymnastics needed to embrace a Don't Tread On Me sign while simultaneously bowing down to corporate power is a f*cking mental disorder. The same way we look back at burning witches with amazement, hundreds of years from now whatever society is around will look back at us and wonder how propaganda controlled humanity.
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According to the late Dwayne McDuffie, you can thank Orson Welles and his Mercury Theatre radio play show for that. Their War of the Worlds broadcast is what demonstrated to wannabe demagogues just how willing people are to believe anything that comes to them via the media. And that was radio!
 
2012-06-11 05:33:50 PM
Hey, my town got rid of its one man police department... cost us 100k to pay off his pension plan.

Seriously, our cop wrote maybe a handful of tickets every year and basically only went to the schools for the drug awareness programs.

It was funny at the boro council meeting when someone asked why we had a cop when the state police barracks are 4 miles from town.. and pretty much every 911 call was handled by them...

We have a lot of people working jobs that do not go toward the end goal of protecting us or educating our kids.. its time to re-access things because obviously the status qua isn't working.
 
2012-06-11 07:16:44 PM
I'm a Pinkerton, so I'm getting a kick out of...

/PINO
 
2012-06-11 08:13:23 PM

leftteffticle: Oh most certainly... their constant and continuous presence at all protest events (including the bagpipers leading a procession around the square on Tues night after the results were called), the way in which they handled the protests (no one got beat for no reason in Madison, unlike at Occupy and other similar protest movements) and Mahlon Mitchell's candidacy speak loudly to their understanding that they're just as farked as the rest of us. I spoke with a state trooper from N. WI at the Capitol last year when I was camping out and he told me he's a republican but he was happy to be there even though it meant working 15 hr shifts and sleeping on a cot away from his family because there but for the grace...


I just wonder if they put it into the 2013-14 budget or wait until 2015-16 and hope that either Walker is strong enough to survive a run from the Democrats or he's already getting hooked into something in DC.
 
2012-06-11 10:54:51 PM

XyzzyBob: Smackledorfer:

Yea, unions are bad now, because workers have it great. That's why our wages haven't been going up and all the growth in the country goes towards management: because unions representing the worker are just too darn powerful and overreaching.

The flaw in your sarcasm is that you are alluding to the fact that unions represent the worker. While that was true in the past, the unions of today are nothing but a bunch of bloodsucking lawyers that claim to represent the workers, while finding bigger and better ways to line their pockets. The union leaders of today are the politicians that we'll be biatching about tomorrow...


I'm in a union. I've called on it a couple times and it's been to my benefit. It nice having one in an at will state.

Ymmv.
 
2012-06-12 12:57:54 AM

bestie1: the protected classes



Yeah those rich fat cat teachers making 50k a year and teaching your kids so they don't grow up to be failures like you

GTFO
 
2012-06-12 12:59:01 AM

bugontherug: intelligent comment below: Uh huh. And the lowering of crime rates in the 90s had nothing to do with more economic gains for lower classes and more job opportunities? Not to mention the record number of criminals locked in jail for even minor offenses.

Nobody said those weren't contributing factors to lower crime rates in the 90's. They said abortion was also a contributing factor.

And of course it was, because fewer unwanted children meant fewer overwhelmed parents to inflict the sorts of childhood traumas which damage the developing brain, contributing to adult criminality.

Just because empirical reality angers you, doesn't mean you shouldn't acknowledge it. That's a character disorder right there. Probably arising from brain damage sustained in some early childhood trauma.



You're writing a whole lot of bullshiat to justify a position that has no actual factual backing in reality

A simple "I was wrong" would have sufficed.
 
2012-06-12 01:00:18 AM

bestie1: When times are tough everyone has to tighten their belt. The fat is long gone.



Except billionaires and millionaires. They need TAX CUTS and all the financial help they can get!
 
2012-06-12 01:05:51 AM

FrailChild: the explosion of big government.



citation needed
 
2012-06-12 02:17:48 AM

intelligent comment below: Except billionaires and millionaires. They need TAX CUTS and all the financial help they can get!


i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-12 05:08:26 AM
mikelamonica.files.wordpress.com

THIS IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO BEAR.

WHY?

WHAT DID I DO WRONG?
 
2012-06-12 05:31:26 AM

Kittypie070: [mikelamonica.files.wordpress.com image 382x295]

THIS IS SIMPLY TOO MUCH TO BEAR.

WHY?

WHAT DID I DO WRONG?


Don't you see? The man obviously wasn't bootstrappy enough to start his own private fire fighting company, hire illegl imigrants for sub-minimum wage, contribute to the tax base and strive to become a one percenter! It's simple really. ;)
 
2012-06-12 09:26:50 AM

Vodka Zombie: Fark Romney. He's an idiot. Sometimes, Republicans, money takes a back seat to a person's intellect, and, let's face it! You're trying to elect America's first retarded president.


Don't forget The Cowboy in Chief. I sometimes lie awake at night wondering why people would elect a grown man, who isn't a cowboy but likes to wear cowboy hats.



www.posters57.com

cdn-www.cracked.com
 
2012-06-12 06:57:05 PM

kg2095: Don't forget The Cowboy in Chief. I sometimes lie awake at night wondering why people would elect a grown man, who isn't a cowboy but likes to wear cowboy hats.


You should hold that thought until some erstwhile Farker cheerfully admits he supported Reagan back in the day.

Happens occasionally.
 
2012-06-12 07:28:52 PM
[sort of listlessly gums BigDogDaddy by politely refraining from deploying teeth]
 
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