Bhasayate: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The internets, and they will teach our childrens to OBEY and give a hoot and not start forest fires and stuff.

I don't know but there is a song that is out now that makes me happy. "Counting all the assholes in the room, I am not alone!"

downpaymentblues: Sabyen91: Dude, don't defend Freakonomics. It isn't defensible.

Sigh. I wasn't defending it. I was just giving him/her an explanation for the 70's to 90's logic it tried to use.

Seriously: You people need to take some deep breaths.

In through the nose.... out through the mouth...
In through the nose.... out through the mouth...

Better?

Whew, feeling better. Yeah, I don't think you are the type to be a dick. I apologize.

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite

farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite

Why are you so much like PDX?

Spaz-master: Their servers as shyte tonight

Shaka when the walls fell.

JohnnyC: farkin_Gary: Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

Benjamin Franklin was an autodidact... of course you knew that and that is why you said, 'formal'.

Care to answer my questions or you just going to keep playing disingenuous word games?

That is a bit unfair. It not nice to pick on the functionally retarded. Isn't it good enough that he and Benjamin Franklin finished school at the same age?

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite

Why are you so much like PDX?

Coincidence? Or .... could it be SATAN?

limeyfellow: JohnnyC: farkin_Gary: Benjamin Franklin's formal schooling ended at the age of ten. What's your problem, sparky?

Benjamin Franklin was an autodidact... of course you knew that and that is why you said, 'formal'.

Care to answer my questions or you just going to keep playing disingenuous word games?

That is a bit unfair. It not nice to pick on the functionally retarded. Isn't it good enough that he and Benjamin Franklin finished school at the same age?

You funny.

Bhasayate: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary is apparently Gary_PDX.

I be not PDX.
You be wrong again.
G'nite

Why are you so much like PDX?

Coincidence? Or .... could it be SATAN?

I will kill. PDX should go home.

Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.

Corvus: Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.

Don't get in my way.

Don't underestimate Rmoney's ability to understand the needs of teachers. After all, some of his best friends are presidents of Ivy League Universities!

Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Back to the good ole days when the fire company would show up at your burning house and leap into action.

Negotiating the fee.

Or even better. Two rival companies would show up and get into a brawl over whose turf your building was in while it burns to the ground.

The Name: Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.

I am sorry. It was either the Name or the Other that pissed me off. I am pretty sure it was you.

r1chard3: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Back to the good ole days when the fire company would show up at your burning house and leap into action.

Negotiating the fee.

Or even better. Two rival companies would show up and get into a brawl over whose turf your building was in while it burns to the ground.

Balls deep, man.

Sabyen91: The Name: Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.

I am sorry. It was either the Name or the Other that pissed me off. I am pretty sure it was you.

Well, maybe I did piss you off, but it wasn't by supporting Walker or third parties.

Okay, we're spending an average of $11k per year per student.

Teachers make what, about $40k per year? Maybe $60k when you throw in benefits and pensions.

Where the hell is all that money going? Class size is around 20, so an average of $200k per class room.

Just sayin'.

Oh, and maybe we need to actually run the numbers on all of the past "educating educators" programs and figure out what worked best. Then farkING STICK WITH ONE TEACHING STYLE FOR A FEW YEARS. I've been hearing complaints that elementary teachers have been getting $10k courses on the latest teaching methods for reading and math every two years or so. Stop trying to fix what you can't tell if it's broken because you keep fixing it.

The Name: Sabyen91: The Name: Sabyen91: No, The Name is not a Walker supporter...I don't think. He IS going to vote for some retarded nutbag, though, I think. He thinks 3rd parties are cool. Or was that The Other. I forget.

I am most definitely not a Walker supporter, and I have never supported voting for third parties. You must be thinking of someone else who was in that same thread last week.

I am sorry. It was either the Name or the Other that pissed me off. I am pretty sure it was you.

Well, maybe I did piss you off, but it wasn't by supporting Walker or third parties.

It wasn't supporting Walker? Ok.

Corvus: Places where I work, if someone is about to get fired because he does a shiat job and then doesn't get fired people don't cheer him like a hero and pretend he "Won" and pretend he does better than everyone else just because he didn't get fired.

So much THIS. That's what I've been saying for over a year. The only reason this whole situation is even occurring is because the guy is a completely unreasonable jackass. I mean, he put the Nat'l Guard on alert before he "dropped the bomb" because he believed there was a good chance there would be "substantial civil and labor unrest." If he didn't realize he was doing something unreasonable than he would have never seen the backlash coming, but he did see it coming.

wildcardjack: Okay, we're spending an average of $11k per year per student.

Teachers make what, about $40k per year? Maybe $60k when you throw in benefits and pensions.

Where the hell is all that money going? Class size is around 20, so an average of $200k per class room.

Just sayin'.

Oh, and maybe we need to actually run the numbers on all of the past "educating educators" programs and figure out what worked best. Then farkING STICK WITH ONE TEACHING STYLE FOR A FEW YEARS. I've been hearing complaints that elementary teachers have been getting $10k courses on the latest teaching methods for reading and math every two years or so. Stop trying to fix what you can't tell if it's broken because you keep fixing it.

We are spending balls! per student. Balls!

Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.

Sabyen91: It wasn't supporting Walker? Ok.

I might have been sarcastically congratulating WI for having the wisdom and foresight to elect Walker, which you mistakenly took for genuine approval.

USA: all military industrial complex, all subway employees, ALL THE TIME. fark yeah!

Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.

Yes!

The Name: Sabyen91: It wasn't supporting Walker? Ok.

I might have been sarcastically congratulating WI for having the wisdom and foresight to elect Walker, which you mistakenly took for genuine approval.

That is possible.

do not take me seriously: Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.

Yes!

Your penis is small?

JohnnyC: Is there anyone in here who thinks that we should be firing teachers and lower the quality/availability of our education system?

Is there anyone in here who thinks that a generation of Americans with less knowledge and education than the previous is a good idea?

If so... how would that be a good thing? In what way does it make us a better country?

We should be firing the "bad teachers," obviously. They're so easy to objectively sort out from the good ones, the only thing that stops us from firing them is those evil teachers' unions.

Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Sabyen91: do not take me seriously: Romney's obviously right, you just need to follow the lines of causality.

With fewer firefighters, more homes will burn down, thus stimulating the construction industry.

Reducing the number of police officers will create additional manufacturing jobs due to the increased demand generated by people needing to replace things that have been stolen from them. Not to mention the boom to the healthcare industry what with all the violent assaults and stuff. (Anyone of sufficient status to be worth worrying about is already contracting a private security firm, and anyone who can't afford private security doesn't have anything / isn't worth protecting anyway)

As far as cutting teachers, that's just good fiscal policy. In the short term, we save all that money that's been going to those worthless liberal elitists, and in the long term, an uneducated populous is an easily exploited populous.

You people see Romney saying things like this and you think it's a gaffe, or an embarrassing misstep, but it's not. Romney is saying exactly what he means, what he intends to do, and his actual audience- the ones whose influence and money actually wins elections, hear him loud and clear.

At least B-Rock Zero-Bamma has the decency to think the American populous is worth lying to, and only bows down to the Corpocracy behind closed doors.

No.

Yes!

Your penis is small?

Microscopic. Concave even.

And it's not like I won't be voting for B-Rock, because Third Parties can only be viable after they've gotten enough support, so voting Third Party above the local level is futile, except in very specific circumstances. And I didn't say I _liked_ Romney's plan, and the path down which it would lead this country, but I also don't pretend I actually have a voice in the running of this country. Remember, as per the Supreme Court, money is speech, so those with more money have a greater voice in the process. As I didn't inherit millions, I'm relegated to the peasant class (I tried pulling myself up by my bootstraps, but my family ran out of food and I had to eat my bootstraps so now I'm stuck). I just consider myself lucky that we haven't yet devolved to the point where everyone who isn't a guard is a prisoner, working in forced labor camps as they serve their life-long term in private prisons.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: downpaymentblues: The Name: I really hope you're being sarcastic. Of course he's a liar. He's a liar and a scumbag. This is the guy who actually discussed with his advisors sending in thugs to disrupt the protests last year.

I do apologize. I am horrible about telling "trolls" from "real comments" from "sarcastic commentary" on Fark.

I've seen Walker supporters here on Fark say the same thing as you, only think it is a positive. I'm just not good at the whole online commentary thing.

Ah, in that case please disregard my somewhat condescending remark.

The Name: Yeah, I've been quite pissed at Wisconsin for the past week, and I find a little bit of comfort in Schadenfreude.

I used to get mad when people said that, but now that the recall is over, and the people here were dumb enough to support him after all that has happened... yeah, fark WI. We deserve every last bit of what happens next. I just shake my head when I hear people saying "at least we took back the Senate, so now he can't do any more damage." Yeah, control of the Senate is out of his hands until the next Senate class is sworn in next January. This November there are 16 Senate seats up for reelection; 10 Dem, 6 Repub. There's a good chance the Senate will be controlled by the GOP again real soon, and this mess is going to happen all over again, but this time he knows he can get away with just about anything, and he's already been talking about how this was a sign that the people of WI want him to do more of what he's doing. Shiat ain't getting any nicer here for quite some time, and the divisiveness that we've been through already is just the beginning.

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I'm going to start by saying that I am a liberal Obama voter.

With that being said, it appears to be the case that Walker simply did something that most of the state approves of. So is he really that horrible? If anything is horrible, it's the loss of support for unions among the electorate, but unions have themselves to blame for a number of the PR issues they face. I know a lot of people that are otherwise quite liberal that are neutral-to-negative when it comes to unions, and many of them are quick to point out that unions protect the lazy, reduce competitiveness, block merit promotion, etc while they're liberal on every other issue.

Heck, even here in libby lib lib San Francisco there was a ballot initiative to bust the SFMTA union and restructure it a few years ago. It came about because the city had budget deficits and needed to cut costs for the MUNI public transit system, and the MUNI workers union blocked any and all changes to their pay structure that had automatic raises built in, instead opting to let 100% of the cost savings come from increased fares and reduced service. The city council wouldn't put the union-busting bill on the ballot due to union objections, so a massive petition drive went around and it was forced on the ballot. It passed with 2/3 of the vote. The members of the MUNI public transit service here threw a massive fit as all this was going on as if they were being horribly wronged because they would have scheduled raises cancelled in the middle of a recession.

The big picture repercussion of this and many other episodes like it is that many people in the Democratic base simply aren't in a huge rush to help unions anymore. Most libs still favor unions, but a healthy chunk don't, and when you're fighting against a united front of Republicans who all despise unions, that's a possibly fatal split.

Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.

Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.

Just put me on your "list." That's what all the hard core lefties do.

How pussyish can you be? Do you want to cry some more?

He's waiting for more cartridges to hit the floor so he can tell us how mothers murder their kids so they can sue the cops.

/I may not be Anonymous, but I never forget.

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Sabyen91: farkin_Gary: Corporate Self: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching ..."

For-Profit corporations! Q: Quick, what is the atomic weight of Bolognium? A: Delicious!

who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

The corporation formally known as Backwater.

See if we outsource everything then almighty and all-knowing entity known as "The Market" it will make everything high quality and for a cheap cost!

Corporations: Their first priority is providing quality service!

You're quite pooping in the path of your contingent.

Oh, shut up Gary. Nobody likes you. Go back to your bunker.

Just put me on your "list." That's what all the hard core lefties do.

How pussyish can you be? Do you want to cry some more?

He's waiting for more cartridges to hit the floor so he can tell us how mothers murder their kids so they can sue the cops.

/I may not be Anonymous, but I never forget.

It is amazing how pussyish they are.

So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?

m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?

By dint of being least crazy of those republicans crazy enough to think they can unseat B-rock.

hubiestubert: wildcardjack: To break it down another way...

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Which costs us more?

To be fair, the 3.8 mil gets to go to the For-profit prison business.

do not take me seriously: m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?

By dint of being least crazy of those republicans crazy enough to think they can unseat B-rock.

Well, what I don't get is this. While I disagree with Mr. Obama, he certainly has supporters. There are people who believe he has done well enough to warrant a second term. I disagree with them, but fine. Such is life in a Republic.

But Romney doesn't seem to have any supporters, even amongst Republicans. Do you know anyone, personally that supports Romney? I don't. The media says he won the primary (which technically isn't true until the convention in Tampa, but okay). But like... how? Who voted for him? And... why? Because TV told them he had already won?

I just don't get why anyone other than a small cabal of corporatist establishment would think he would be a positive presence in the White House. And I can't seem to find anyone to ask.

He made the mistake of actually being honest about what the Republican vision of "small government" actually means -- cuts in services vital to median and lower income Americans. What he's supposed to do is make vague references to trimming supposed fat from government, without getting specific enough for people to realize "Hey wait, that's not a $300 hammer -- that's a service I actually rely on."

Well, why not?

Illinois is trying, and failing, to do so.

So says the Trib

m00: So, how exactly did Romney "win" the Republican nomination, considering that he seems to have zero supporters?

If they say it often enough and nobody calls them on it, by November it might be true.

gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Religious leaders will do the teaching, 'sovereign citizens' will do the law enforcement, and children will put out the fires when the get promoted from being school custodians.

Ambivalence: gaslight: So....who will be doing the teaching, who will be doing the law enforcement and who will be putting out the fires?

Not Romney, I'm pretty sure.

That magical mormon guy from planet Kolob.

Why should the working class be the only ones who suffer? Why should union teachers, cops, fireman and bureaucrats be protected while everyone else struggles. Oh yes no one can do their jobs because they do it for magic fairy dust and unicorn farts. I know this because the bureaucrats who approve their own benefits and the politicians who receive huge contributions from their unions tell me. I must not ever question this or else I am worse than Hitler etc etc.

downpaymentblues: I'm just explaining the Freakanomics hypothesis. You asked about how something from the 70's affected the 90's.

I give up. You politics tab people are just WAITING to jump down someone's throat.


And I'm just explaining why it is horribly wrong. So don't bring up something that is wrong.

Don't want people responding to what you write? Start your own blog and disable comments.

His political acumen is charmingly bad. Charming in that he says what he thinks, bad in that you just don't do that in politics. No doubt him and his ilk would love to defund as much of the government as possible and privatize it all as a gift to their peers, including police and fire departments, but as long as crime and security are hot-button issues that voters respond to you just can't go around talking about firing cops and expect the support of anyone who isn't a stockholder in some outfit that specializes in no bid contracts from the DHS.