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2012-06-11 07:08:06 AM
Having lived in the NYC area all my life, I had the horrible misfortune of running into these people on numerous occasions. Easily some of the most despicable people you'll ever see. According to them, secular laws don't apply to their hate cult(that's what it is). They only obey laws when they think it will bring unwanted scrutiny. Many don't bother with getting driver's licenses or car insurance. Get into an accident with a hasid and you can forget about recovering a dime. The police routinely allow them to get away with this, and much more serious crimes, because of their extensive political connections. A large percentage of hasids, if not a majority, collect welfare benefits. As a percentage they work the welfare system more than any other racial or ethnic group. Most of the men don't even bother looking of a job until they are 40 or 45 years old, at which time they have fathered 5-10 children. They send their children to "private" schools which are funded almost entirely with tax money. If you need any more proof as to their insanity, look at how they dress in July and August. Would any sane person dress in a wool frock coat when it's 95 degrees?
 
2012-06-11 07:08:48 AM
FTA -- George Farkas, Weberman's lawyer, said his client isn't guilty but is damned regardless because the allegations will taint his reputation.

With a last name like that I guess we don't need to ask his fark handle.

They said taint, heh.

allieiswired.com
 
2012-06-11 07:09:41 AM
ExperianScaresCthulhu: Meanwhile..... the submission two links below this on one the main page has a subject line of --- Three Maryland co-eds strip down to their underwear for a midnight swim in the campus fountain. Ten passersby: *YOINK* -- and a 'source' listed as -- (3 coinslots in the fountain) --

I'm hoping that no one who voted up the above submission link, or fapped to it, or thought the 'coinslut/yoink' submission was funny....... has commented on (or will comment on) this new link in order to talk shiat about a community slut-shaming and spitting on a chick. These two links are two sides of the exact same coin. Both attitudes feed each other, and can not exist without one another.


I'm sure you have a message but I cannot figure out what it is.
Something about coins?
 
2012-06-11 07:10:15 AM
namatad: "They believe that God's going to take revenge on him," she said. "They're suffering a lot and they say one nice day God's going to show us that he did stick up for us."
UM
no you crazy fark
god DID THIS TO YOU !!!!

I dont understand people.
Why do you think your god is so weak that he can only do you favors? LOL
God farking punishes and does evil too.
God is either all powerful and can do EVERYTHING or worthless.
Pick one.

/all loving god?? hahahahahahaha what a joke


I pass a sign in front of one of those message-on-sign churches every day on my way to and from work. Currently it reads:

"What if God is waiting for a sign."

My answer remains, "then He's an idiot, an asshole, or likely both."
 
2012-06-11 07:10:51 AM
namatad: "They believe that God's going to take revenge on him," she said. "They're suffering a lot and they say one nice day God's going to show us that he did stick up for us."
UM
no you crazy fark
god DID THIS TO YOU !!!!

I dont understand people.
Why do you think your god is so weak that he can only do you favors? LOL
God farking punishes and does evil too.
God is either all powerful and can do EVERYTHING or worthless.
Pick one.

/all loving god?? hahahahahahaha what a joke


God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.
 
2012-06-11 07:11:11 AM
It's too early for this much outrage. I'll be back after I have some coffee.
 
2012-06-11 07:14:27 AM
sauce_jenkins: Do any of you know where someone can get lobotomized on the cheap?

Watching Jersey Shore is a great start.
 
2012-06-11 07:14:35 AM
KiplingKat872: namatad: "They believe that God's going to take revenge on him," she said. "They're suffering a lot and they say one nice day God's going to show us that he did stick up for us."
UM
no you crazy fark
god DID THIS TO YOU !!!!

I dont understand people.
Why do you think your god is so weak that he can only do you favors? LOL
God farking punishes and does evil too.
God is either all powerful and can do EVERYTHING or worthless.
Pick one.

/all loving god?? hahahahahahaha what a joke

God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.


Yeah, because God isn't real. People are.
 
2012-06-11 07:15:14 AM
mamoru: sauce_jenkins: I would probably make a point here promoting secular ethics, but I officially give up. Have at it, world. I am too weary of this. Time to dock myself some IQ points and slobber whilst watching Jersey Shore reruns. Do any of you know where someone can get lobotomized on the cheap?

With proper sterilization, you could probably do it yourself with a nailgun. That would be the cheapest way. ;)


I think a drill works best...

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-11 07:17:40 AM
foo monkey: So he's innocent because he has a good reputation? In order to be guilty of child molestation, you have to have a reputation of being a child molester?

People still hold to this massive misconception that child molesters all but have the words "child molester" tattooed on their foreheads. They honestly believe that someone that despicable would be very overtly deplorable in every other way society reckons such things- unwashed, unkempt, lazy, belligerent, etc.

This of course all completely ignores the fact that a successful child molester must have unsupervised access to children on something of a regular basis, and thusly, must project an image consistent with a person trustworthy of such a privilege.

They're very suave, very charming, and are nearly always there to help. They're pillar-of-the-community/paragon-of-virtue types. This isn't an accident. The creepy-eyed guy on the corner never gets to hang with your kids for several hours a day unsupervised.
 
2012-06-11 07:21:05 AM
The girl, now 17, was sent to Weberman at age 12 because she'd been asking theological questions and he had a reputation for helping people back on the spiritual path.

With his penis.
 
2012-06-11 07:22:56 AM
Well that's one way to make her scream "ohgodohgodohgod"
 
2012-06-11 07:24:39 AM
mamoru: propasaurus: They have their own ambulances and schools, called yeshivas, their own civilian police and rabbinical courts. Members are encouraged to first speak to a rabbi before going to secular authorities - and as a result, cases rarely make it to outside law enforcement.

So... Sharia Law?

No, because [insert some argument about how they do worse things to their women so the bad things done to oppress women of this community are perfectly fine].

There. That should sum up every defense of this that will appear in the thread.


I haven't seen a defense of this in the thread yet.
 
2012-06-11 07:26:40 AM
r1niceboy: Anti-semitism accusations in 5.....4.....3......2.....

Haven't seen any of those either.
 
2012-06-11 07:27:44 AM
They've got quite the crime syndicate going in that community. Slum lords, organ brokers, pedo's. They all get cover from a good ol boys network that would make the KKK jealous. Have all the right people paid off via cash and votes as well.
 
2012-06-11 07:28:57 AM
KiplingKat872: God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.

Do we know that he did anything to her?

Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to certain groups of people.
 
2012-06-11 07:32:12 AM
Religious fervor? Check
Insular community? Check.
Separate legal system? Check.
Inordinate deference to elders? Check.

Can we take a break from all the Catholic bashing here and realize, as I have been saying all along, that every religion has problems when they are given too much secular permissiveness? FARK a separate legal system. Jew, Christian, or Arab, live under American law or GTFO.
 
2012-06-11 07:32:13 AM
HotWingConspiracy: They've got quite the crime syndicate going in that community. Slum lords, organ brokers, pedo's. They all get cover from a good ol boys mensch network that would make the KKK jealous. Have all the right people paid off via cash and votes as well.

============

FIFY
 
2012-06-11 07:33:09 AM
fickenchucker: Religious fervor? Check
Insular community? Check.
Separate legal system? Check.
Inordinate deference to elders? Check.

Can we take a break from all the Catholic bashing here and realize, as I have been saying all along, that every religion has problems when they are given too much secular permissiveness? FARK a separate legal system. Jew, Christian, or Arab, live under American law or GTFO.


Hey, I don't discriminate. I hate all religions equally.
 
2012-06-11 07:34:30 AM
Happy Hours: KiplingKat872: God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.

Do we know that he did anything to her?

Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to certain groups of people.


Does a successful trial- regardless of the verdict- ever result in the general public knowing what really happened?

/because legal semantics is fun.
 
2012-06-11 07:34:51 AM
jaylectricity: FTA: "They think that anyone who turns over anyone to the outside authorities is committing a transgression to the community at large," said Samuel Heilman, a professor of Jewish studies at Queens College.

That's not any different than gangsters saying, "Snitches get stitches."


Good point!
 
2012-06-11 07:35:52 AM
Happy Hours: KiplingKat872: God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.

Do we know that he did anything to her?

Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to certain groups of people.


Are you talking about pedos or jews?
 
2012-06-11 07:36:05 AM
fickenchucker: Can we take a break from all the Catholic bashing

Hasidic Jews are really Catholic?

This is news...
 
2012-06-11 07:37:17 AM
Happy Hours: KiplingKat872: God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.

Do we know that he did anything to her?

Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to certain groups of people.


Slut until proven raped shouldn't apply either.

Molested or not, the community's treatment of the girl and situation is farking deplorable.

\Honestly, not that it matters, I think she's telling the truth. Given her situation and the community, why the hell would she lie?
 
2012-06-11 07:42:52 AM
HotWingConspiracy: Happy Hours: KiplingKat872: God did not do this to her. A sick fark clothing himself in religious righteousness did this to her.

Do we know that he did anything to her?

Oh wait, innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to certain groups of people.

Are you talking about pedos or jews?


Females. They are all guilty sluts, after all. It's not as if this guy was a catholic priest and was fiddling boys.
 
2012-06-11 07:44:12 AM
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2012-06-11 07:44:55 AM
Fissile: Having lived in the NYC area all my life, I had the horrible misfortune of running into these people on numerous occasions. Easily some of the most despicable people you'll ever see. According to them, secular laws don't apply to their hate cult(that's what it is). They only obey laws when they think it will bring unwanted scrutiny. Many don't bother with getting driver's licenses or car insurance. Get into an accident with a hasid and you can forget about recovering a dime. The police routinely allow them to get away with this, and much more serious crimes, because of their extensive political connections. A large percentage of hasids, if not a majority, collect welfare benefits. As a percentage they work the welfare system more than any other racial or ethnic group. Most of the men don't even bother looking of a job until they are 40 or 45 years old, at which time they have fathered 5-10 children. They send their children to "private" schools which are funded almost entirely with tax money. If you need any more proof as to their insanity, look at how they dress in July and August. Would any sane person dress in a wool frock coat when it's 95 degrees?

I find your comment very interesting. I have neer been to NYC (haven't had the time yet), but I have always wanted to go. I realize that NYC has it's own way of living but while I certainly won't take your reference as my only reference, I can't act like I haven't heard your side of it. I don't like to have an opinion based on a "group" of anyone but I must admit that it is more difficult not to do that when Hasid men all dress alike. Kinda like when you see a black man with baggy pants.
 
2012-06-11 07:50:31 AM
Closed religious communities have been keeping crap like this hidden since forever. Doesn't matter what religion/cult. You spill their secrets, they'll turn on your ass in a second.

Huge props to the people who have the courage to speak out against these abuses. No one should be able to hide behind their "religious freedom" to rape kids. And fark the elders and clergy who hide this shiat and shame the victims. Fark them all to hell.
 
2012-06-11 07:52:17 AM
thenewmissus: Fissile: Having lived in the NYC area all my life, I had the horrible misfortune of running into these people on numerous occasions. Easily some of the most despicable people you'll ever see. According to them, secular laws don't apply to their hate cult(that's what it is). They only obey laws when they think it will bring unwanted scrutiny. Many don't bother with getting driver's licenses or car insurance. Get into an accident with a hasid and you can forget about recovering a dime. The police routinely allow them to get away with this, and much more serious crimes, because of their extensive political connections. A large percentage of hasids, if not a majority, collect welfare benefits. As a percentage they work the welfare system more than any other racial or ethnic group. Most of the men don't even bother looking of a job until they are 40 or 45 years old, at which time they have fathered 5-10 children. They send their children to "private" schools which are funded almost entirely with tax money. If you need any more proof as to their insanity, look at how they dress in July and August. Would any sane person dress in a wool frock coat when it's 95 degrees?

I find your comment very interesting. I have neer been to NYC (haven't had the time yet), but I have always wanted to go. I realize that NYC has it's own way of living but while I certainly won't take your reference as my only reference, I can't act like I haven't heard your side of it. I don't like to have an opinion based on a "group" of anyone but I must admit that it is more difficult not to do that when Hasid men all dress alike. Kinda like when you see a black man with baggy pants.


Of course you'll have a bad impression of New York if you only focus on the pimps and C.H.U.D.s.
 
2012-06-11 07:52:46 AM
Supporting the victim might bring their life decisions into question, so bring out the pitchforks and torches.
 
2012-06-11 07:53:30 AM
susler: I haven't seen a defense of this in the thread yet.

You are correct (unless one has appeared while I was typing this). Only time will tell if my prediction bears out. Or I could just say, change "will" to "might" to try to cover my (so far) false prediction. ;)

I base my prediction purely on a single poster. If he doesn't show up, it will likely be false. If he does show up, then it will probably, but not certainly, be true. Or, being Fark, we could very well run into a Poe's Law type troll. Either way, what the community did sucks by any reasonable standard. I for one would be happy to see an entire thread without anyone trying to defend it.
 
2012-06-11 07:54:24 AM
The other other religion of peace?

Fark Abraham, that schizophrenic farker...
 
2012-06-11 07:57:33 AM
she was probably asking for it. a lot of girls do, by the way they dress, or walk. even just by looking at you or talking to you, they mean they want to have sex with you, so you should help them. sometimes they are shy at first, and need some help. giving them alcohol usually helps, or even just rubbing a leg or shoulder might make them come around, and rip off all their clothes, and become your willing sex slave. that's how it works. duh.
 
2012-06-11 07:58:37 AM
She's got a little too much 'shiksa-appeal

charactergrades.com
 
2012-06-11 08:00:46 AM
Crudbucket: ThisSideofSteinway: Lionel Mandrake: propasaurus: They have their own ambulances and schools, called yeshivas, their own civilian police and rabbinical courts. Members are encouraged to first speak to a rabbi before going to secular authorities - and as a result, cases rarely make it to outside law enforcement.

So... Sharia Law?

^Came to say this^

Where's the teabagger outrage???

Heh... 10 bucks says you can't guess which political party the Brooklyn/Queens ultra-orthodox have been running to in droves over the past year.

Green Party?


Rent Is Too Damn High.

/Which will henceforth be known as Oy, Is The Rent Too High.
//here all week
 
2012-06-11 08:02:23 AM
jaylectricity: FTA: "They think that anyone who turns over anyone to the outside authorities is committing a transgression to the community at large," said Samuel Heilman, a professor of Jewish studies at Queens College.

That's not any different than gangsters saying, "Snitches get stitches."


Damn right! You put your finger on it.
It is the same basic problem; you have people living inside a society who say they have no responsibility to the host society's rules norms. (Rules and norms which have been designed and evolved over time for very good reasons in the case of women and girls in "Western" societies I feel, I admit I might be biased in this but...). But these sub sects insist upon the host respecting all their rights while strictly picking and choosing which responsibilities they will observe in turn.
We have the same problem in the UK with sections of the Pakistani community, who when it comes to "their" women (especially young ones) seem to believe they owe no allegiance to British society at all. Religion is used to see off opponents in that too.
 
2012-06-11 08:02:42 AM
RexTalionis: PhiloeBedoe: You see? It's the Holy Power of Jesus Christ and that alone that gives a girl the strength to keep her whorish legs closed. Wise up and repent, pagans, lest all your daughters become fouled.

The people in the article are all Jews.


So was Jesus.
 
2012-06-11 08:04:12 AM
BMFPitt: Fark Abraham, that schizophrenic farker...

Abraham almost certainly wasn't a real person, so you'd be better off blaming the deranged lunatics who claim adherence to religion in general for all the damage they've done to humanity.

Although, it does explain a lot that history's three most destructive political entities stem almost exclusively from a failed attempt at filicide....
 
2012-06-11 08:06:22 AM
ThisSideofSteinway: Lionel Mandrake: propasaurus: They have their own ambulances and schools, called yeshivas, their own civilian police and rabbinical courts. Members are encouraged to first speak to a rabbi before going to secular authorities - and as a result, cases rarely make it to outside law enforcement.

So... Sharia Law?

^Came to say this^

Where's the teabagger outrage???

Heh... 10 bucks says you can't guess which political party the Brooklyn/Queens ultra-orthodox have been running to in droves over the past year.


Yes, check out how the Kings County (Brooklyn) DA has glossed over molestation cases in the Orthodox community.
 
2012-06-11 08:06:23 AM
This has to be some middle eastern country.

*clicks link*

Orthodox Jews in New York? Meh, close enough.
 
2012-06-11 08:09:11 AM
fickenchucker: FARK a separate legal system. Jew, Christian, or Arab, live under American law or GTFO.
 
2012-06-11 08:09:26 AM
Those demanding religious tolerance are upset by this.
 
2012-06-11 08:12:57 AM
What's a jewish dilemma? Free Ham
_________
A little old Jewish lady walks into her Rabbi's office.
Lady: Rabbi Rabbi I just won 300 million dollars!
Rabi: Wow, congratulations. What are you going to do with the money?
Lady: 100 million will go to the synagogue, they have always been there for me.
Rabbi: Very good, we could use a generous donation like that. The rest?
Lady: I'm going to spend 100 million on my family traveling the world, and living it up.
Rabbi: Very good, you have lived a hard life. Enjoy the rest of the time with your family. And the rest?
Lady: I'm going to build 20ft tall gold statue of Hitler.
Rabbi: Why would you do such a thing???? He was a monster! He killed so many of our people! Why would you make tribute to him?
Lady: Well, he gave me the winning numbers!
_____
What's the difference between Santa Claus and a Jew?
Santa Claus goes down the chimney.
_____
Why do German shower-heads have 11 holes? Because Jews have 10 fingers.
______
How do you get a Jewish girl's number?
Look at her arm.
_______
They say there is safety in numbers, but try telling that to 6 millions Jews
_______
Why are Jews noses so big? Because air is free.
________
Hitler walks into a staff meeting, and says to the top Nazi party officials, "I want you to organize the killing of all European Jews and two hedgehogs." Himmler asks Hitler, "Why the two hedgehogs, sir?" Hitler then smiles and exclaims, "See, no one cares about the Jews!"
 
2012-06-11 08:14:42 AM
The more I learn about Orthodox Judaism, the more I appreciate all of those Jews who don't practice it.

Seriously, Orthodox Jews are putzes. As easily angered as Muslims, as rational as Baptists. Strong sense of superiority like Scientologists. They're like the France of religion.
 
2012-06-11 08:16:15 AM
Somewhat off topic, but I wouldmlike to see a Mennonite vs. UltraOrthodox cage match. Can some farker please alert RobotChicken for me? Are there any Wahabbis who eschew modern technology, if so throw one in too.
 
2012-06-11 08:17:00 AM
ChaoticLimbs: The more I learn about Orthodox Judaism, the more I appreciate all of those Jews who don't practice it.

Seriously, Orthodox Jews are putzes. As easily angered as Muslims, as rational as Baptists. Strong sense of superiority like Scientologists. They're like the France of religion.


Holy mixed metaphors.
 
2012-06-11 08:18:37 AM
They have their own ambulances and schools, called yeshivas, their own civilian police and rabbinical courts. Members are encouraged to first speak to a rabbi before going to secular authorities - and as a result, cases rarely make it to outside law enforcement.

And Equal Opportunity Employment is invalidated why?

If so, I see a whole lot of new religions popping up.
 
2012-06-11 08:18:57 AM
Uncle Tractor: RexTalionis: PhiloeBedoe: You see? It's the Holy Power of Jesus Christ and that alone that gives a girl the strength to keep her whorish legs closed. Wise up and repent, pagans, lest all your daughters become fouled.

The people in the article are all Jews.

So was Jesus.


No, he was a Buddhist. Common mistake.
 
2012-06-11 08:19:59 AM
If this were a insular Christian community, this story would be on the front page of the New York Times for at least a month
 
2012-06-11 08:22:01 AM
This About That: Conservatives.
 
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