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(Some Guy)   A former Marine focuses on improving the basic grenade to make it safer for the thrower and less so for the target   (defensetechbriefs.com) divider line 91
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2012-06-10 05:12:34 PM  
Yaaaawn. Call me when he's actually MADE the grenades and we can see them blowing shiat up.
 
2012-06-10 05:46:21 PM  
What's this?

You don't want it!
 
2012-06-10 05:48:31 PM  
"Five is right out"
 
2012-06-10 05:52:51 PM  
www.betdania.com

As usual, Command & Conquer leads the way
 
2012-06-10 06:06:35 PM  
I remember on the practice range they told us the fuses were the same as real live ones.

Pulled the pin on the 5th or 6th one, supposed to let the handle go, count to two and throw it in the bunker window.

one, BAMMMM!, two, can I change my shorts drill sgt?

On the live range I tossed them puppies like I was Nolan Ryan on a hot streak.
 
2012-06-10 06:09:40 PM  
Electronic trigger?
 
2012-06-10 06:11:24 PM  
FTA: "The current grenade fuzs design only allows for a right-handed user to throw it in the upright position. A lefty has to hold the grenade upside down to safely pull the pin. "

Ok...so....someone explain this to me, how in the hell that's even possible?

Here is a grenade:

upload.wikimedia.org

Yes, the pin is on the left, but, oh, I dunno, maybe pull it from the left?
 
2012-06-10 06:15:31 PM  

AlteredChemical: FTA: "The current grenade fuzs design only allows for a right-handed user to throw it in the upright position. A lefty has to hold the grenade upside down to safely pull the pin. "

Ok...so....someone explain this to me, how in the hell that's even possible?

Here is a grenade:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 557x900]

Yes, the pin is on the left, but, oh, I dunno, maybe pull it from the left?


It's not like every lefty can just bend their wrist. That's crazy talk.
 
2012-06-10 06:18:33 PM  
A righty holds it with the spoon in their palm while a lefty has the spoon against their fingers. What am I missing here?
 
2012-06-10 06:25:25 PM  
Also FTA: "The second motion "arms" the grenade by rotating the explosive train in-line. If the tactical situation were to change, the soldier just reverses the second step and the grenade is re-safed. Currently, re-safing a grenade requires trying to reinsert the sometimes-deformed safety pin, which is not easily done. "

Exactly what is stopping the guy that the grenade is being thrown at from disarming the grenade then? Nowhere does it say that the arming mechanism needs to be pulled out.

And also the guy in the comments makes a good point: what do you do if you don't have use of both hands?
 
2012-06-10 06:26:55 PM  

AlteredChemical: FTA: "The current grenade fuzs design only allows for a right-handed user to throw it in the upright position. A lefty has to hold the grenade upside down to safely pull the pin. "

Ok...so....someone explain this to me, how in the hell that's even possible?

Here is a grenade:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 557x900]

Yes, the pin is on the left, but, oh, I dunno, maybe pull it from the left?


A person holds the grenade in their right hand. The safety is in the gap between their index finger and thumb. The pin is to the left, in order to allow this person to pull the pin with their free left hand (or teeth apparently [also on the left side of the grenade]). Pull the pin, throwing the grenade releases the safety and starts the fuse, it lands and explodes.

Now, I'd never thought of what a left handed person would do, but upon RTFA, I now know that they hold the grenade upside down. The person holds the grenade in their left hand. The safety is in the gap between their index finger and thumb. The pin is to the right, in order to allow this person to pull the pin with their free right hand (or teeth, ibid.).

Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.
 
2012-06-10 06:32:28 PM  

Doc Batarang: Now, I'd never thought of what a left handed person would do, but upon RTFA, I now know that they hold the grenade upside down.


I was never taught to hold the grenade upside down while in the Army. As i was saying, you hold it so the spoon is facing away from you which puts the pin on the right side, making it easily accessible.
 
2012-06-10 06:45:11 PM  
Well, after a few decades you'd think we could design them better. At least getting rid of the pin so it can be easily re-safed.
 
2012-06-10 06:55:17 PM  

way south: Well, after a few decades you'd think we could design them better. At least getting rid of the pin so it can be easily re-safed.


or have the pin work down from the top.
 
2012-06-10 07:12:48 PM  
 
2012-06-10 07:18:25 PM  

AlteredChemical:
And also the guy in the comments makes a good point: what do you do if you don't have use of both hands?


Well, duh, everyone knows you just yank that little bitty pin out with your teeth.

Sheesh.
 
2012-06-10 07:29:27 PM  

AlteredChemical: Also FTA: "The second motion "arms" the grenade by rotating the explosive train in-line. If the tactical situation were to change, the soldier just reverses the second step and the grenade is re-safed. Currently, re-safing a grenade requires trying to reinsert the sometimes-deformed safety pin, which is not easily done. "

Exactly what is stopping the guy that the grenade is being thrown at from disarming the grenade then? Nowhere does it say that the arming mechanism needs to be pulled out.

And also the guy in the comments makes a good point: what do you do if you don't have use of both hands?


Doc Batarang: AlteredChemical: FTA: "The current grenade fuzs design only allows for a right-handed user to throw it in the upright position. A lefty has to hold the grenade upside down to safely pull the pin. "

Ok...so....someone explain this to me, how in the hell that's even possible?

Here is a grenade:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 557x900]

Yes, the pin is on the left, but, oh, I dunno, maybe pull it from the left?

A person holds the grenade in their right hand. The safety is in the gap between their index finger and thumb. The pin is to the left, in order to allow this person to pull the pin with their free left hand (or teeth apparently [also on the left side of the grenade]). Pull the pin, throwing the grenade releases the safety and starts the fuse, it lands and explodes.

Now, I'd never thought of what a left handed person would do, but upon RTFA, I now know that they hold the grenade upside down. The person holds the grenade in their left hand. The safety is in the gap between their index finger and thumb. The pin is to the right, in order to allow this person to pull the pin with their free right hand (or teeth, ibid.).

Sounds like a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist.


As stated above (and tested using a can of beer*), all the lefty has to do is rotate his left hand and pull the pin UP instead of toward the right.

*
I have a can, tab angled to pull toward me. We'll call that the spoon oriented to be in my fingers.

The bar code is facing left. We'll call that the pin.

For a righty, it's pull pin toward left, throw.

For a lefty holding the cangrenade, the pin would be facing away from his right hand. If he simply rotates his left hand 90º to the right -- so that his thumb is on the right of his hand instead of the top -- the pin is now on the top. All he has to do is pull the pin upward (like starting a lawn mower).

I don't see the problem. At all.
 
2012-06-10 07:30:35 PM  
Hey, how much does a grenade cost to the Army?

I bet we could get Boeing or General Dynamics to make a Smart Grenade for only $1,500 per copy at contract issuance, $7,500 per copy on delivery after overruns.
 
2012-06-10 07:44:57 PM  

RoyBatty: Hey, how much does a grenade cost to the Army?

I bet we could get Boeing or General Dynamics to make a Smart Grenade for only $1,500 per copy at contract issuance, $7,500 per copy on delivery after overruns.


Pinback: All right, bomb. Prepare to receive new orders.
Bomb#20: You are false data.
Pinback: Hmmm?
Bomb #20: Therefore I shall ignore you.
Pinback: Hello... bomb?
Bomb #20: False data can act only as a distraction. Therefore, I shall refuse to perceive.
Pinback: Hey, bomb?
Bomb #20: The only thing that exists is myself.
Pinback: Snap out of it, bomb.
 
2012-06-10 07:50:06 PM  

RoyBatty: Hey, how much does a grenade cost to the Army?

I bet we could get Boeing or General Dynamics to make a Smart Grenade for only $1,500 per copy at contract issuance, $7,500 per copy on delivery after overruns.


The great thing about golden bullets is you don't need as many of them to win a war.

/How much is your kids life worth?
/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.
 
2012-06-10 07:50:59 PM  

IoSaturnalia: RoyBatty: Hey, how much does a grenade cost to the Army?

I bet we could get Boeing or General Dynamics to make a Smart Grenade for only $1,500 per copy at contract issuance, $7,500 per copy on delivery after overruns.

Pinback: All right, bomb. Prepare to receive new orders.
Bomb#20: You are false data.
Pinback: Hmmm?
Bomb #20: Therefore I shall ignore you.
Pinback: Hello... bomb?
Bomb #20: False data can act only as a distraction. Therefore, I shall refuse to perceive.
Pinback: Hey, bomb?
Bomb #20: The only thing that exists is myself.
Pinback: Snap out of it, bomb.


Bomb #20: In the beginning, there was darkness. And the darkness was without form, and void.
 
2012-06-10 07:52:18 PM  
way south:/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.

I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.
 
2012-06-10 07:55:55 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: I don't see the problem. At all.


He's solving a larger problem- that a grenade is always in an armed state. Along the way, he might as well solve the minor problem of lefties having an awkward time pulling the pin.
 
2012-06-10 08:02:53 PM  
There has to be a way to increase the cost of a hand grenade by at least 100 times.
Our engineers can do it, just give them a chance!
 
2012-06-10 08:04:30 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: I don't see the problem. At all.


The problem is leverage. Those pins don't exactly fall out.

Plus, the web of your left thumb is in the way doing it like that. You're probably more likely to have the thing slip out of your hand, too, which would really be quite a bad thing to happen.

I don't see the issue with holding it upside-down or rotated 180 degrees, though. Best thing would be to make a mock grenade and try it yourself.


RoyBatty: I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.


Grenade, Hand, Frag, Delay, M67 : Unit cost: $27.64 (Fiscal Year 2005).
=Smidge=
 
2012-06-10 08:05:48 PM  

IoSaturnalia: RoyBatty: Hey, how much does a grenade cost to the Army?

I bet we could get Boeing or General Dynamics to make a Smart Grenade for only $1,500 per copy at contract issuance, $7,500 per copy on delivery after overruns.

Pinback: All right, bomb. Prepare to receive new orders.
Bomb#20: You are false data.
Pinback: Hmmm?
Bomb #20: Therefore I shall ignore you.
Pinback: Hello... bomb?
Bomb #20: False data can act only as a distraction. Therefore, I shall refuse to perceive.
Pinback: Hey, bomb?
Bomb #20: The only thing that exists is myself.
Pinback: Snap out of it, bomb.


more like

Bomb #20: you are false data, only the enemy would load false data, you are the enemy! DIE NOW!!
 
2012-06-10 08:06:39 PM  

RoyBatty: way south:/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.

I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.


http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/grenade/hand.html

Seems to suggest about $28 for the grenade and $5 for the fuse, as of 2005 or thereabouts.
 
2012-06-10 08:06:46 PM  

RoyBatty: way south:/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.

I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.


This link has some unit cost information as of 2005.
M67 frag grenade: $27.64

There's no reason that shouldn't be up around $250 bucks now. [I keed, but not really.]
 
2012-06-10 08:08:55 PM  

stucka: RoyBatty: way south:/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.

I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/grenade/hand.html

Seems to suggest about $28 for the grenade and $5 for the fuse, as of 2005 or thereabouts.


Beat me by seven seconds!
 
2012-06-10 08:21:36 PM  

Smidge204: ArcadianRefugee: I don't see the problem. At all.

The problem is leverage. Those pins don't exactly fall out.

Plus, the web of your left thumb is in the way doing it like that. You're probably more likely to have the thing slip out of your hand, too, which would really be quite a bad thing to happen.

I don't see the issue with holding it upside-down or rotated 180 degrees, though. Best thing would be to make a mock grenade and try it yourself.


RoyBatty: I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.

Grenade, Hand, Frag, Delay, M67 : Unit cost: $27.64 (Fiscal Year 2005).
=Smidge=




stucka: RoyBatty: way south:/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.

I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/grenade/hand.html

Seems to suggest about $28 for the grenade and $5 for the fuse, as of 2005 or thereabouts.



HotIgneous Intruder: RoyBatty: way south:/Altho I wonder if you really can improve on the grenade.

I actually am curious how much the Army pays for a grenade.

This link has some unit cost information as of 2005.
M67 frag grenade: $27.64

There's no reason that shouldn't be up around $250 bucks now. [I keed, but not really.]


Interesting that all of you go the same place for this.

I wonder how many independent A-Teams are FARKers.
 
2012-06-10 08:23:17 PM  
Anyway, I definitely think Boeing or GD can deliver smart hand grenades with at least half the explosive power and weighing less than 8 pounds at only $1500 per pop.
 
2012-06-10 08:30:14 PM  
One instructor, one n00b, and one Chinese hand grenade.

FIGHT
 
2012-06-10 08:40:11 PM  

RoyBatty:

Interesting that all of you go the same place for this.

I wonder how many independent A-Teams are FARKers.


First hit on Google. But it's worth noting that no one else quoted the price of the fuse, which is what TFA is about. =)
 
2012-06-10 08:48:27 PM  
no mention on how they plan on making it deadlier for the targets...
 
2012-06-10 08:54:12 PM  

thisiszombocom: no mention on how they plan on making it deadlier for the targets...


Fill it with plutonium?
 
2012-06-10 09:03:30 PM  
I think Archer's upgrade shows merit.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-10 09:04:26 PM  
The german wwii potato-mashers were equal to both right and left handers, and (after badly need improvements) required two specific actions to arm them.

They also could be thrown farther.
 
2012-06-10 09:30:51 PM  

Enemabag Jones: The german wwii potato-mashers were equal to both right and left handers, and (after badly need improvements) required two specific actions to arm them.

They also could be thrown farther.


Yeah, but they had a relatively weak amount of TNT in them and poor fragmentation properties. The RGD-33 was the better "stick" grenade by far, and the Soviet F1 and US MK2 grenades were even better at actually killing someone, albeit with smaller kill zones than the RGD-33 when the optional "sleeve" was placed over it.
 
2012-06-10 09:36:56 PM  
tallen702,Yeah, but they had a relatively weak amount of TNT in them and poor fragmentation properties. The RGD-33 was the better "stick" grenade by far, and the Soviet F1 and US MK2 grenades were even better at actually killing someone, albeit with smaller kill zones than the RGD-33 when the optional "sleeve" was placed over it.

Whomever determined that had a really fun job.
 
2012-06-10 09:38:20 PM  
Former marine?
 
2012-06-10 09:47:12 PM  
i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-06-10 10:00:18 PM  
Treize26,

Isn't that a level on Quake2?

It may be time to dig that out again.

/Could spend hours on that game, probably considered simple and crude now. It is still original compared to every other multi-player online military shooter.
 
2012-06-10 10:23:43 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Treize26,

Isn't that a level on Quake2?

It may be time to dig that out again.

/Could spend hours on that game, probably considered simple and crude now. It is still original compared to every other multi-player online military shooter.


lol yeah that's the one.

First thing I thought of when they were describing this new grenade, it sounds almost exactly like these ones.

Had a great time on this map in particular, where you could rocket jump from the corner at the top of that elevator on top of that ledge, then from that corner to somehow on top of the map.

My friends and I would basically play king of the hill, whomever was up there would just destroy anyone below since you could essentially float across that entire open area, but since there was no wall above you, anyone shooting up would have to hit you directly with any splash damage weapons to kill you.

I think of all FPS I played this one the most, and with the exception of the original Half-Life, none has come close to it in terms of mods, conversions and just mindless fun.

Action Quake 2 was the best.

Superheroes as well, you could play as "The Cripple" which basically put you in a wheelchair with 2 miniguns mounted to either side, and you couldn't strafe, lol.
 
2012-06-10 10:36:33 PM  

Treize26: First thing I thought of when they were describing this new grenade, it sounds almost exactly like these ones.


I was more hoping for one of these.

dl.dropbox.com

If you're going to redesign the grenade, might as well go all the way.
 
2012-06-10 10:49:18 PM  
What a mapping pup may look like ^^^
 
2012-06-10 10:54:25 PM  

Thrakkerzog: Former marine?


Marines call themselves former when they aren't on active duty anymore.
 
2012-06-10 10:54:56 PM  

way south: Well, after a few decades you'd think we could design them better. At least getting rid of the pin so it can be easily re-safed.


American technology had bigger fish to fry:

www.buckleshop.com
 
2012-06-10 10:59:29 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-06-10 11:08:39 PM  

Thrakkerzog: Former marine?


As opposed to an "ex-marine". I made that mistake...once.
 
2012-06-10 11:12:33 PM  

Treize26:


Came here to post this....
 
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