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(The New York Times)   You know that national shortage of ADHD drugs? Well, we found the cause   (nytimes.com) divider line 166
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2012-06-10 07:39:29 PM  
Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.
 
2012-06-10 07:41:46 PM  
Back in the dark ages, in order to pass exams we used to crush up vivarin and snort it. You had this foul scent in your head and were snorting all the time and your nose was bleedin' just like a coke addict but without the fun, but WE LIKED it! None of this prescription flibbidy floo.
 
2012-06-10 07:48:26 PM  
I posted my bit on this in the thread about the same thing a couple weeks ago.

/Fark the DEA, I want my meds back.
 
2012-06-10 07:49:27 PM  

debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.


Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA
 
2012-06-10 07:56:40 PM  
I'm glad TFA came with a handy shopping list so the kids know just what to get. Helpful, that, with exams comming up.
 
2012-06-10 08:08:58 PM  
Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.
 
2012-06-10 08:09:49 PM  

the_chief: Good god. Stop regulating what I do with myself.


Calm down. No one's made that illegal yet. Just stop doing it in public and you'll be fine.
 
2012-06-10 08:13:22 PM  

Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.


No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.
 
2012-06-10 08:16:35 PM  

Jixa: FTFA - re: Concerta "Very difficult to crush into powder and snort, so it is popular among psychiatrists concerned a patient might abuse or sell it. It can provide a short-term boost and last up to 16 hours - drastically affecting sleep. No generic is available, so it can be more expensive."

When did they write this? My son takes generic Concerta, and it's covered by Medicaid so it can't be incredibly expensive if it were they wouldn't cover it.


Ritalin, Concerta, and Adderall all have generic equivalents. None of them are particularly inexpensive as, even though they're generic, they're sole source so there's really no competition. Also all three are experiencing mild supply disruptions.
 
2012-06-10 08:16:38 PM  

Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA


Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?
 
2012-06-10 08:18:10 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.

No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.




Funny you mention that. You should take a look at what the DEA heads used to do before they were DEA heads.
 
2012-06-10 08:20:53 PM  

Oznog: It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome


My son had an attack of that when he was about 2 years old. Horrible to watch his skin just start bubbling up and peeling off.

No known cause in his case, and after about 5 days in the hospital he was fine.
 
2012-06-10 08:21:40 PM  

debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?


I'm not all that surprised that Dex is not on the list in the article, but do a little research and you will find that it *used* to be, and almost all ADD/ADHD meds use the same amphetamine salts that are in Dex in one combo or another.

On the 2nd point, I will not disagree. One of the reasons I like my doc is that she does not allow drug reps in the office at all. No sample bags, no script switching every time something new and shiny comes on the market. You get your script, if it works.. you use it. If not, we move on to something else.

She's very old school. Even makes her patients on ADD stimulants get EKG's every 6 months to make sure they are not damaging their hearts.
 
2012-06-10 08:24:44 PM  

debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?


he's sleep deprived wacked out on dexies
 
2012-06-10 08:26:23 PM  

Alphakronik: Shadow Blasko: Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.

No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.



Funny you mention that. You should take a look at what the DEA heads used to do before they were DEA heads.


I just read up on all 8.

I dont see any pharma tie-ins... Not saying they are not there, but they look pretty above board (he he) to me.
 
2012-06-10 08:27:31 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?

he's sleep deprived wacked out on dexies


God I wish. I have not been able to get my Dexedrine in almost 6 months. I cant afford it.
 
2012-06-10 08:28:55 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.

No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.


I can confirm that. Any C2 drug out there has a specified number of doses that are allowed to be produced in a given quarter. The DEA sets that quota. Companies can petition for increases in the quota due to changing market conditions (like every granny in the States broke their hip in October during that freak snowstorm and need their drugs) but the DEA doesn't have to approve it.

This doesn't mean there aren't abuses going on, but some of this is due to the generic manufacturers sucking up the raw materials to make their versions, the brand manufacturers doing the same, etc. Mostly because in an artificially-constrained market it makes sense for a brand company to do this.

However, I'm pretty sure demand also spiked which doesn't make lots of sense. If the usage was X when it was a brand, the total usage shouldn't vary significantly from X when a brand and generic are available.
 
2012-06-10 08:34:59 PM  

ronaprhys: However, I'm pretty sure demand also spiked which doesn't make lots of sense. If the usage was X when it was a brand, the total usage shouldn't vary significantly from X when a brand and generic are available.


While the article is correct, they ARE being massively overused at the college level, those scripts would be getting filled anyway, whether going to the black market or not.

I think part of the issue is the next generation of depression meds seem to be using amphetamine salts as well. Maybe that is part of it. I am not sure.
 
2012-06-10 08:37:51 PM  

Oznog: [images.gizmag.com image 498x298]

Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.


You're farking kidding, right?
 
2012-06-10 08:45:29 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

No offense, but stfu.

/awesome.
//study something that keeps you interested if it's only an "academic book" problem


Because everyone trying to get a degree is in love with every course the program assigns them. That makes no sense what you said...life doesn't work that way when you are a student.
 
2012-06-10 08:47:24 PM  

dmars: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.


Thanks. Sadly I'm not ADD or ADHD. I wish there was something on the market that could work the same way. I am bogged down in a few courses that are part of my program but are of no interest to me. Sadly...the exams still need to get passed, and the textbooks are real slumber fests...
 
2012-06-10 08:50:21 PM  

Shadow Blasko: ronaprhys: However, I'm pretty sure demand also spiked which doesn't make lots of sense. If the usage was X when it was a brand, the total usage shouldn't vary significantly from X when a brand and generic are available.

While the article is correct, they ARE being massively overused at the college level, those scripts would be getting filled anyway, whether going to the black market or not.

I think part of the issue is the next generation of depression meds seem to be using amphetamine salts as well. Maybe that is part of it. I am not sure.


I've not heard that, but since that'd be under a new NDA I think they'd get their own quota. Producing the raw materials really isn't the issue (though a shortage of sugar beets is actually causing a problem with hyoscamine pamoate, IIRC) here - it's the quota. If they're considered separate drugs there shouldn't be a restriction due to that.
 
2012-06-10 08:51:08 PM  

morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.


No longer the precious snowflake generation?
 
2012-06-10 08:56:37 PM  

debug: Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.


If you know anyone getting kick-backs, you can get them thrown in jail or heavilly fined. The most back-kicking that's allowed nowadays is a free meal or two at the office and that happens more if you DON'T prescribe the expensive drug enough. ;)

Just clearing that up. ;)
 
2012-06-10 09:00:32 PM  

alex10294: debug: Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.

If you know anyone getting kick-backs, you can get them thrown in jail or heavilly fined. The most back-kicking that's allowed nowadays is a free meal or two at the office and that happens more if you DON'T prescribe the expensive drug enough. ;)

Just clearing that up. ;)


Yep - it's probably being detailed to them as a new drug that avoids the most problematic side-effects of the others, drives the overall lowest patient cost (due to not requiring other things to go with it), lasts longer, whatever. If a drug is cheap and has less side effects it'll get prescribed over something else.
 
2012-06-10 09:10:06 PM  

Wolf892: Because everyone trying to get a degree is in love with every course the program assigns them. That makes no sense what you said...life doesn't work that way when you are a student.


It makes no sense that people's first goddamn instinct isn't to figure out how to deal with it (break it down into sections, drink some goddamn coffee) but "hey, might this drug work for me?"

Because I need this drug to live a normal life, you see. So it pisses me off when people - and oh, I've ran across many, I live in a university town - innocently wonder or offhandedly mention using it.

Studying doesn't feel "natural" to you. Great. I had to set my phone every 15 minutes during one test when I didn't have my meds to make sure I didn't fall asleep. It woke me up twice in an hour and a half. You can see from my notes the times when I had an attack... My writing goes from perfect to squiggles then perfect again as I snap awake. It took me extra time to graduate because I didn't get properly diagnosed until two years in.

Every single one of you f--kers who use it to make studying "easier" when unlike people who actually have ADD/ADHD (and I do have friends with legit cases) or narcolepsy (which as far as I know are the two FDA approved uses for it) make it harder for me and others to get our medication.

Every.

Single.

Month.

If I can even find it. Between November and January I couldn't. Finally found a pharmacy 3 hours away round trip that had it. Took two days off work to get it two different months, which was fine because it was the only way I could really function at work anyway. Thankfully i have an understanding boss.

You see why I get pissed?
 
2012-06-10 09:11:20 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Every single one of you f--kers who use it to make studying "easier" when unlike people who actually have ADD/ADHD (and I do have friends with legit cases) or narcolepsy (which as far as I know are the two FDA approved uses for it) make it harder for me and others to get our medication.

Every.

Single.

Month.

If I can even find it. Between November and January I couldn't. Finally found a pharmacy 3 hours away round trip that had it. Took two days off work to get it two different months, which was fine because it was the only way I could really function at work anyway. Thankfully i have an understanding boss.

You see why I get pissed?



Farking THIS! ^^^
 
2012-06-10 09:12:16 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I had to set my phone every 15 minutes during one test when I didn't have my meds to make sure I didn't fall asleep. It woke me up twice in an hour and a half.


I also had a really understanding academic adviser and department, so I got to take that test in a room by myself as to not screw with everybody else.

/we had to sign an honor code and didn't have any supervision during normal test taking anyhow anyway
//somehow managed to get in the top 10% on that test, which blew my mind
 
2012-06-10 09:13:22 PM  

ronaprhys: alex10294: debug: Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.

If you know anyone getting kick-backs, you can get them thrown in jail or heavilly fined. The most back-kicking that's allowed nowadays is a free meal or two at the office and that happens more if you DON'T prescribe the expensive drug enough. ;)

Just clearing that up. ;)

Yep - it's probably being detailed to them as a new drug that avoids the most problematic side-effects of the others, drives the overall lowest patient cost (due to not requiring other things to go with it), lasts longer, whatever. If a drug is cheap and has less side effects it'll get prescribed over something else.


Sorry, I just don't have that much faith or trust for healthcare professionals.
 
2012-06-10 09:15:11 PM  
Wow! That Times article was a GREAT advertisement for prescription drug abuse! It's normal, it's relatively cheap, some you can snort, and the Times even posted the pros and cons of each.

What a great way to get good grades, get into a good college, and lose weight all at the same time!
 
2012-06-10 09:19:06 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Jon iz teh kewl: debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?

he's sleep deprived wacked out on dexies

God I wish. I have not been able to get my Dexedrine in almost 6 months. I cant afford it.


geranamine's cheap. try that
 
2012-06-10 09:43:58 PM  
Maybe they shouldn't run school like a shiatty people factory. I love learning - I hated school.
 
2012-06-10 10:00:12 PM  

ChuDogg: morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.

No longer the precious snowflake generation?


Not according to this guy. Link
 
2012-06-10 10:01:38 PM  
12 years after being diagnosed with ADHD and taking ritalin and wellbutrin for only about a year, I have decided to visit a doctor hoping to get a prescription that will help me. I'm by no means a complete failure, but I realize that I have some final hurdles that I just can't manage to do on my own. I also realize that a lot of the accommodations that I have made in my life were at the expense of bigger things e.g. keeping no ties, roots and having very few material possessions. I try to keep things minimal in case I completely screw up and lose it all. I think I realize that treading water is no way to live and want to make some proactive efforts to thrive and build. Anyways, so reading articles like these really make me nervous about being approved for a script.

/tips are welcome
 
2012-06-10 10:22:30 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


I have had a Xanax prescription for 1.5 years. I get panic attacks and am also on Prozac for anxiety and depression. I am always hyper aware of the possibility of addiction so I only take one pill when I really need it. One bottle of 20 pills lasted me a year before I got another bottle. It is possible to not become addicted, but you have to be smart about it. I would have to say I average 1-2 pills a month.
 
2012-06-10 10:24:05 PM  

flyinghouse99: 12 years after being diagnosed with ADHD and taking ritalin and wellbutrin for only about a year, I have decided to visit a doctor hoping to get a prescription that will help me. I'm by no means a complete failure, but I realize that I have some final hurdles that I just can't manage to do on my own. I also realize that a lot of the accommodations that I have made in my life were at the expense of bigger things e.g. keeping no ties, roots and having very few material possessions. I try to keep things minimal in case I completely screw up and lose it all. I think I realize that treading water is no way to live and want to make some proactive efforts to thrive and build. Anyways, so reading articles like these really make me nervous about being approved for a script.

/tips are welcome


1. Keep your records. Request copies of them if you need to. Prepare ahead of time for your doctor. They will appreciate it.

2. RESEARCH. There ARE good doctors out there who give a damn and who will work with you to find the medication or lifestyle changes - ideally both - that will help you. I've found three now and I can't tell you what a relief it was when I found the first one.

She actually spoke to me like a person, worked with me on behavior stuff (in my case, stupid stuff that actually works - like breathing exercises, keeping my bed to just sleeping as much as possible, etc. - insomnia is a stupid side effect of narcolepsy) and when meds came up, gave me info sheets on three options, the pluses and minuses, the possible side effects - and then asked for my input.

3. Be honest.

4. Find a decent GP who will actually work with a psych. Your mind and body aren't two distinct areas to treat - each affects the other.

Good luck.
 
2012-06-10 10:29:38 PM  

Bob Dolemite: so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.


hgh ehances your physical ability to play a sport, these drugs are good for keeping you up all night but not your intellectual capacity to take a test. Subtle difference, yes?
 
2012-06-10 10:46:35 PM  
Could we maybe take a look at our education system and find a way to teach kids without eight hours a night of homework and putting all the pressure on one or two tests? Just maybe?

/I know a guy who had been homeschooled his whole life, and on his first day of HS, junior year, came home with literally eight hours of homework.
//Not 'I'm lazy\stupid eight hours' either. This guy was perfectly average, and it was eight full hours worth.
 
2012-06-10 10:51:55 PM  
I wasn't aware you could defeat the time-release mechanism of Adderall XR by crushing the spheres inside the capsule and snorting them.

[the_more_you_know.jpg]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
2012-06-10 10:59:32 PM  

clowncar on fire: Bob Dolemite: so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.

hgh ehances your physical ability to play a sport, these drugs are good for keeping you up all night but not your intellectual capacity to take a test. Subtle difference, yes?


Not much.

I'm pretty much immune to the get-shiat-done effects of adderall now. Been taking it so long that even after my unintentional hiatus I didn't get the "WOW GETTING STUFF DONE" effect I got in the beginning anymore.

But when I first started taking it, what I could accomplish blew me away. Easy to see why it's so easily abused. And in high school, it didn't matter - to be frank about it, I was smart enough where I could get my work done without much trouble.

But when you're in college, you're likely on the same basic intellectual level with your peers, and you have a huge freaking stack of material to go through - yeah, those who can power through sleep and who can focus and absorb more stuff do have an advantage. Especially in things like the humanities when you have hundreds of pages to read each week.

It certainly gave me an advantage for maybe the first semester, then the positive side effects started to fade away as I was taking it daily.
 
2012-06-10 11:01:26 PM  
Put it this way - there's a damn good reason that the price jumps up considerably during finals.

/didn't sell it but I was kept helpfully informed of the going rate by a friend who wanted me to
 
2012-06-10 11:23:49 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Put it this way - there's a damn good reason that the price jumps up considerably during finals.

/didn't sell it but I was kept helpfully informed of the going rate by a friend who wanted me to


When you can't find it, does your mind completely garble words like mine does? I mean, I understand, speak and write in English. But when I don't have it I have to have someone repeat something like three or sometimes four times.

Makes me feel like an asshole and pisses customers off. Also, when I don't have it, I become number dyslexic.
 
2012-06-10 11:24:18 PM  
Lister, where's my revision timetable? It's Saturday night. No one works Saturday night. You don't work any night. You don't work any day. Skive hard, play hard, that's our motto. Lister, where's my revision timetable?
 
2012-06-11 12:18:11 AM  
Interesting. Even more interesting was the little side story related to the article that I read:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/10/education/stimulant s-student-voices.html?ref=education

I never had good study habits when in school. For one thing, I didn't like school and being regimented. Being a painfully shy kid, I had a hard time dealing with the dynamics of classrooms. I lived in a rural area and learned more rapidly and accurately about nature than most thins un school. Then, I discovered the library and naturally, learned about all sorts of things except what the teachers wanted me to.

Back then, you would have called me a dreamer. Maybe I had ADHD, but no one even knew what it was at that time. See, we still called 'Mentally Challenged' kids retards or retarded without rancor. 'Little People' were dwarfs or midgets. There was no political correctness.

I don't recall there being such pressure to do exceptionally well in school nor a major demand to get a college education. I barely graduated high school, but when I took the entrance exam for my chosen college degree, out of 500 applicants, I was in the top 100 to get in. Of that group, I placed above 50%.

I also survived the initial weeding out process where the professors deliberately worked to get the class down to 30.

Considering my grade averages in school were C's and D's, I was pretty pleased to rate so high in college where I was working towards an Associate Degree in Registered Nursing.

I also worked at the local hospital while I attended college.

My niece has entered college to get her degree in Psychiatry. She's been there for two years now and has taken NOTHING relating to psychiatry, but has to take what I consider garbage courses to round out her degree. Maybe in the next year or two, she'll finally start studying active psychology.

During my time, I had to take English and Gym -- both a waste of my time as far as I was concerned. I also had to take sociology, which, to me anyhow, was a common sense course -- which I skipped most of and just showed up to take the tests.

Apparently these days, there's a lot of emphasis placed on good school grades to get into college. Then when you get there, you still have to take 'garbage' courses to fill out your degree, which, IMO, are not necessary and needlessly occupy your time.
I don't know. I've always been a dreamer. I've always had problems learning things I was told to learn unless I found them interesting.

Maybe I could have used some of those drugs. It was real hard for me to pay attention in math class and I had similar problems in college Biology.

I washed out in my second trip to college, where I was going for a psychiatry degree. The first class dealing with psychiatry was nothing more than math, to be used in the field to grade the scales of illnesses. It bored me to tears. I worked in psychiatry at the time and was more interested in getting to the meat of the matter: why did the human brain f**k up and what could be done about it.

I also got shoved into English Lit. I quit in the first quarter.

When I wanted to learn something, I wanted to learn IT! Not take humanities, English, music appreciation and ancient history to 'round out' my education.

Being pushed so hard that you need drugs to achieve means there's something wrong with the system.
 
2012-06-11 12:21:23 AM  

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Put it this way - there's a damn good reason that the price jumps up considerably during finals.

/didn't sell it but I was kept helpfully informed of the going rate by a friend who wanted me to

When you can't find it, does your mind completely garble words like mine does? I mean, I understand, speak and write in English. But when I don't have it I have to have someone repeat something like three or sometimes four times.

Makes me feel like an asshole and pisses customers off. Also, when I don't have it, I become number dyslexic.


Harder to focus and actually understand immediately what someone is saying... like a half second delay. Part of that might be the slight hearing loss though.

/years of going to and shooting photos at shows
//the earplugs, they did little
 
2012-06-11 12:29:17 AM  

Oznog: [images.gizmag.com image 498x298]

Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.


Oh, gawd.... The migraines that shiat gave me were terrible! I'll stick with my adderall
 
2012-06-11 12:41:14 AM  

St_Francis_P: Or not. This has been going on for years.


Right? I came here to say: Welcome to 15 years ago!
 
2012-06-11 01:37:16 AM  
I agree with the "dyslexia" thing with the ADHD mind.
 
2012-06-11 07:27:00 AM  

downstairs: It didn't cure it (don't expect any brain drug to cure anything).


If it were meant to cure anything, you wouldn't have to keep taking it.

That would be called "treatment", and it's one of those things that insurance companies hate to hear because it suggests they'll have to keep shelling out money to you for the rest of your life. They'd kick you out of the casino for winning that many hands.
 
2012-06-11 08:34:38 AM  

Wolf892: dmars: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.

Thanks. Sadly I'm not ADD or ADHD. I wish there was something on the market that could work the same way. I am bogged down in a few courses that are part of my program but are of no interest to me. Sadly...the exams still need to get passed, and the textbooks are real slumber fests...


Coke
 
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