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(The New York Times)   You know that national shortage of ADHD drugs? Well, we found the cause   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2012-06-10 05:01:40 PM  
Or not. This has been going on for years.
 
2012-06-10 05:20:43 PM  
I tried reading that article, but red car.
 
2012-06-10 05:23:26 PM  
Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.
 
2012-06-10 05:25:19 PM  
squirrel!
 
2012-06-10 05:25:35 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


This. My girlfriend in law school popped these like aspirin. The mood swings were a sight to behold. And avoid.
 
2012-06-10 05:25:49 PM  
That article is wrong, there is a generic available for Concerta, its Methylphenidate ER. The funny thing is that it is the exact same pill as Brand name, because of some lawsuit the manufacturer is forced to sell the stuff as a generic. I used to pay $45 for brand name and under the generic it only costs me $10 :)
 
2012-06-10 05:26:26 PM  
Is it creation of false scarcity by the manufacturers to keep prices artificially high?

*RsTFA*

I'll be darned, it isn't.
 
2012-06-10 05:28:01 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


Source Please. I am 29 and know plenty of people, including myself, who engaged in this behavior while we were teenagers and through college. The majority of us are well adjusted, responsible adults.

Should be easier to get in my opinion that doesn't count for anything.
 
2012-06-10 05:28:33 PM  
The most popular "study drug" among high school students, it lasts 8 to 12 hours, and its generic equivalent is less expensive than Vyvanse. Small beads in capsules can be crushed and snorted. It increases dopamine levels in the brain but also can affect sleep patterns.

Who the f*ck are they trying to educate here?!?
 
2012-06-10 05:28:33 PM  
I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?
 
2012-06-10 05:28:46 PM  
So the future leaders of tomorrow are learning that cheating pays off at an early age.
Hmnnn.... maybe they should be drug tested before their test. If drug testing is good enough for the bulk of the population it should be good enough for the next season of Ivy league douches.
 
2012-06-10 05:28:53 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


Thing is, they are. It takes a special DEA form to order these medications, a couple different forms if you lose or misplace a bottle of it and it carries a criminal penalty if the prescription changes hands.

No one really dies from these Rx stimulants. I don't even think they're considered a part of the pathway to harder drugs. It's harmless fun and also lets kids think they have a chance if they stay up for an all nighter studying on ritalin. (they dont)
 
2012-06-10 05:29:04 PM  
*NEWSFLASH* Med students have been using these since at least the late 90's if not earlier. The equivalent of anabolic steroids for physical performance, really. Many an MCAT would not have been passed if not for these.
 
2012-06-10 05:29:45 PM  
FTFA - re: Concerta "Very difficult to crush into powder and snort, so it is popular among psychiatrists concerned a patient might abuse or sell it. It can provide a short-term boost and last up to 16 hours - drastically affecting sleep. No generic is available, so it can be more expensive."

When did they write this? My son takes generic Concerta, and it's covered by Medicaid so it can't be incredibly expensive if it were they wouldn't cover it.
 
2012-06-10 05:29:50 PM  
so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.
 
2012-06-10 05:30:40 PM  
It's news to me that high school kids are doing this. However, I can tell you that these drugs are heavily used by students at just about every University of California campus for studying purposes (can't confirm UC Merced, wtf lives in Merced?)

/tried it once well in advance of exam to test its effects
//didn't have desired effect on me
 
2012-06-10 05:31:04 PM  
The hell, man? Whatever happened to a couple of No-Doz and a can of Jolt?
 
2012-06-10 05:31:10 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


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2012-06-10 05:31:55 PM  

Unimpressed Man: //didn't have desired effect on me


with a username like that? shocking.
 
2012-06-10 05:32:30 PM  

Bob Dolemite: so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.


That's the question I was going to bring up. We vilify professional athletes who use performance enhancing drugs, but the same thing is okay for the spelling test tomorrow?
 
2012-06-10 05:33:04 PM  

Bob Dolemite:

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.


Our society values the behaviors that the drugs promote. If our society wasn't so hypocritical, it wouldn't be controlled at all. HGH is much worse for the body (since it's an actual hormone that will confuse the endocrine system). Stims are probably worse for the mind, but mental health isn't as high a priority as, say grades.
 
2012-06-10 05:33:28 PM  
Adderall is to college libraries what cigarettes are to prison
 
2012-06-10 05:34:56 PM  
I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.
 
2012-06-10 05:35:21 PM  
The problem is that the *government* (shocker) limits the total amount of the ADHD/narcolepsy/other speed-like substances that can be produced in total. The companies that make them benifit most from making the name brands, so those get made. If there wasn't a government quote, there wouldn't be any shortage.
 
2012-06-10 05:36:05 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


Once. Only effect I could really put my finger on was the fact that I'd forget the point of a sentence half-way through it, so I started saying stuff like "You know, I was thinking... um... never mind."
 
2012-06-10 05:36:34 PM  
I keep reading online that there is a shortage of Adderall & Ritalin. Nonsense, I can get them whenever I want.


Since we're on the topic of medication, you guys think they sell anything at the pharmacy that will get rid of breasts on a guy's leg? Damn things started growing not long after I started hearing about these shortages.
 
2012-06-10 05:36:38 PM  
I never went this route, but I knew many people at GT that studied dozens of hours in dead week just to guarantee a good grade on the final.

A freshman year roommate took a couple pills and read a Linear Algebra book the night before the Calc 2/LA final. Had not been to a class in 2.5 months and aced the final.

About the long term effects...I dunno. He went nuts in college and became a pothead and borderline alcoholic, but he graduated in a reasonable amount of time and got a good job. Then he quit the job to follow the Ron Paul campaign around. Make of that what you will.
 
2012-06-10 05:37:44 PM  
This is nothing new. My first roommate in college sold pot out of our dorm room. At midterms and finals he'd sell adderall and ritalin. They'd grind up the ritalin and snort it like cocaine.

/He really never made a profit because he sold everything at cost...
//Yeah, he wasn't exactly the brightest bulb...
 
2012-06-10 05:37:48 PM  
I knew a couple kids in high school that sold their Adderall rather than take it.
 
2012-06-10 05:40:30 PM  
So are they going to institute drug testing prior to taking the SAT/ACT or college finals? If they fail the pee test, do they get an * by their score or grade?
 
2012-06-10 05:40:39 PM  

morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.


It's nothing new, it's just that prescription drugs are seen as safer and legaler than the meth and coke kids were using back when I was in college in the 80's. The number of people in a 1985 UCLA finals exam with jumpy legs and twitchy fingers is probably not higher today; just that nobody is worried because nobody ever died from taking Adderall. Yet. That I know of.
 
2012-06-10 05:41:22 PM  
Focalin? Really? A lot Simpsons fans in big pharma?
 
2012-06-10 05:41:59 PM  

Outlaw Thirds: Our society values the behaviors that the drugs promote. If our society wasn't so hypocritical, it wouldn't be controlled at all. HGH is much worse for the body (since it's an actual hormone that will confuse the endocrine system). Stims are probably worse for the mind, but mental health isn't as high a priority as, say grades.


which is why, fark society.

people in large groups are farking morons. i can't count how many times i've had conversations with people who absolve themselves through "the other guy". grow a pair, own up. society shouldn't even come into anyone's thinking pattern or decision making processes.
 
2012-06-10 05:45:06 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.
 
2012-06-10 05:46:32 PM  
Ah, what a Brave New World.

also, you can pick out the dopers who use that shiat just like any other user of anything out there.

/no thanks to long term personality-altering drugs kthx
 
2012-06-10 05:51:06 PM  
Shocking. (Not really.)

I tried Ritalin once. It was prescribed, and I used it as prescribed. Gave me migraines and jitters, which was counterproductive at best. I'd hate to think about what snorting that, or any of the mentioned stimulants, would do.

/Sticking with caffeine
 
2012-06-10 05:54:07 PM  

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


A fun class of drugs. I use halcyon for my severe insomnia, this is a drug I make sure to get filled early. The withdrawal is that I won't sleep for days.

My advice with any of these, get one of those daily pill counter containers. At least for me I have trouble remembering if I took one, as a side effect of taking one.
 
2012-06-10 05:54:35 PM  
There is no shortage, there is a jump in overprescribing for kids and a new indication of adult ADD as well as widespread abuse
 
2012-06-10 05:55:00 PM  

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


It's not that addictive if you take it as directed at a modest dose. The problem is that it stops working really well over time when you do that. The key step is to not "take more to keep it working". If it's not working, use something else (not a different benzo) for a few weeks. People get addicted when they go from .25mg to .5 to 1 then start taking 1mg three at a time. If you use it properly (occasionally/few times a week) and don't double, or octuple, doses, you should be fine. The thing is, though, that the same people who have the serious anxiety are the ones that are prone to try to get higher doses and take it too often. Overall, it's great for what it's supposed to do, but it'll mess you up if you don't control it. Also, there are -some- doctors who prescribe it at medium-high doses for every day use. I feel that that's dangerous given the population you're dealing with.
 
2012-06-10 05:56:44 PM  
This stuff is what I am sticking with. Works well, but expensive. We get an unlimited supply of the best stuff at work plus all the fruit we want to eat.

blogs-images.forbes.com

//Unfortunately, I need to go potty more often.
 
2012-06-10 05:57:46 PM  
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It's all because this generation is too young to have seen this very special episode of Family Ties.

2.bp.blogspot.com

Or this very special episode of Saved By The Bell.

Because the pharmas would sue the TV studio for slander.

/imma so excited!
 
2012-06-10 05:58:15 PM  
I had a roommate who was pre-med. She intentionally 'faked' ADD symptoms to her aunt (a doctor) who then prescribed her Adderall. She'd take it while drinking five red bulls a day to study for hours. She literally, at the worst, slept maybe two hours a night for three weeks.

Anyway, she became completely suicidal toward the middle of the year. Her aunt prescribed her antidepressants and told her to go off the Adderall. In the end, she went off the antidepressants because she couldn't function with the Adderall. She's still a mess.
 
2012-06-10 05:59:55 PM  

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


Brain zaps.
 
2012-06-10 06:00:46 PM  

dmars: PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.

Source Please. I am 29 and know plenty of people, including myself, who engaged in this behavior while we were teenagers and through college. The majority of us are well adjusted, responsible adults.

Should be easier to get in my opinion that doesn't count for anything.


Everyone handles brain drugs differently. They're some of the most dangerous stuff out there for *some* people.
 
2012-06-10 06:01:00 PM  

Jixa: FTFA - re: Concerta "Very difficult to crush into powder and snort, so it is popular among psychiatrists concerned a patient might abuse or sell it. It can provide a short-term boost and last up to 16 hours - drastically affecting sleep. No generic is available, so it can be more expensive."

When did they write this? My son takes generic Concerta, and it's covered by Medicaid so it can't be incredibly expensive if it were they wouldn't cover it.


drew is pedal: That article is wrong, there is a generic available for Concerta, its Methylphenidate ER. The funny thing is that it is the exact same pill as Brand name, because of some lawsuit the manufacturer is forced to sell the stuff as a generic. I used to pay $45 for brand name and under the generic it only costs me $10 :)


These. I got confused when the pharmacy started charging me generic prices for tablets I got that are identical to the ones I got the month before. I had to ask about it.
 
2012-06-10 06:01:05 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


What was it prescribed for? Other than occasional panic attacks or as a short term aid to sleep or anxiety, nothing good comes of it, long term. I weaned my mother off it (took it for nerves and to help her sleep) and now she says she's thinking more clearly and actually sleeping better. She's also exercising more and taking nightly melatonin to help fall asleep, but it at least proves she didn't need it in the first place.

The problem is you eventually develop a tolerance for it and don't get the same effect with your initial dose that you first got from it. Eventually, you're just taking something that doesn't have that much of a pharmacologic effect, but still some of the side effects. Like I said, as a short term med to help you through a time limited difficulty, our as an occasional aid for panic attacks (situations where we wouldn't expect tolerance to build up) it's a fine drug.
 
2012-06-10 06:01:53 PM  
do what i did and get drunk and throw Xanax bars all around the apartment. then you know theres always some in the carpet!!!
 
2012-06-10 06:02:50 PM  

Bob Dolemite: Unimpressed Man: //didn't have desired effect on me

with a username like that? shocking.


I know right, because usernames are a huge indicator of just about anything about a poster.

For instance, I know that Mitchell and White framed you, and you never really stole those coats.
 
2012-06-10 06:03:05 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


How much per day? That's important.

I found it worked very well for me (anxiety). It didn't cure it (don't expect any brain drug to cure anything). No side effects, and I didn't have tolerance issues where I needed to up my relatively minor dosage.

It "just worked" so to speak.

I also know people who take a lot of it to get high or whatever. Its stupid, but it didn't turn them into a looney or anything. Again, it "just worked" for their stupid habit.
 
2012-06-10 06:03:36 PM  
That day can't come soon enough where you will be required to pee in a cup to even enter the testing hall, and then to be able to leave...After all, a stupid kid taking smart drugs to pass a test is still going to be stupid in college and beyond.

Cheating is cheating, no matter which way you slice it
 
2012-06-10 06:07:52 PM  

BlueJay206: That day can't come soon enough where you will be required to pee in a cup to even enter the testing hall, and then to be able to leave...After all, a stupid kid taking smart drugs to pass a test is still going to be stupid in college and beyond.

Cheating is cheating, no matter which way you slice it


or a smart kid taking stupid drugs (mariHUANA)
 
2012-06-10 06:09:15 PM  

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


First of all, define "addictive". I've taken 0.5 MG, once per day, for about 5-6 years now. I absolutely need it, and I notice its affects (positive). I've never had tolerance issues where I needed to up the dosage, ever.

I don't consider that a bad thing. As compared to, say, alcohol addiction... where you start with a six pack a day and find yourself downing a 5th of whiskey every night, and taking a sip here and there during the day just to get by.

Maybe everyone is different. I'm not a doctor, and only know of my own experience.

And to the person who said "your doctor will take you off and leave you addicted". No, he won't. That can kill you. If you're not tolerating Xanax well, you have to very carefully be weaned off of it... and slowly.
 
2012-06-10 06:11:53 PM  
I can hypercaffeinate myself and get the same effect. Makes me sit still so I can focus on mundane shiat.
 
2012-06-10 06:12:45 PM  

downstairs: Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.

First of all, define "addictive". I've taken 0.5 MG, once per day, for about 5-6 years now. I absolutely need it, and I notice its affects (positive). I've never had tolerance issues where I needed to up the dosage, ever.

I don't consider that a bad thing. As compared to, say, alcohol addiction... where you start with a six pack a day and find yourself downing a 5th of whiskey every night, and taking a sip here and there during the day just to get by.

Maybe everyone is different. I'm not a doctor, and only know of my own experience.

And to the person who said "your doctor will take you off and leave you addicted". No, he won't. That can kill you. If you're not tolerating Xanax well, you have to very carefully be weaned off of it... and slowly.


That is because you have a good doctor.
 
2012-06-10 06:16:22 PM  
Why don't the students just buy a five pound bottle of Trucker's Best? Surely there can't be a shortage of Amphetamines? The country runs on the stuff.

I expect Ric Romero must be informed of this news ... eventually.

Students taking uppers to study. Oh, my! Is this a repeat from 1969?
 
2012-06-10 06:20:23 PM  

Harry_Seldon: downstairs: Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.

First of all, define "addictive". I've taken 0.5 MG, once per day, for about 5-6 years now. I absolutely need it, and I notice its affects (positive). I've never had tolerance issues where I needed to up the dosage, ever.

I don't consider that a bad thing. As compared to, say, alcohol addiction... where you start with a six pack a day and find yourself downing a 5th of whiskey every night, and taking a sip here and there during the day just to get by.

Maybe everyone is different. I'm not a doctor, and only know of my own experience.

And to the person who said "your doctor will take you off and leave you addicted". No, he won't. That can kill you. If you're not tolerating Xanax well, you have to very carefully be weaned off of it... and slowly.

That is because you have a good doctor.


Funny thing is, I *am* prone to actual addiction. As in, needing more and more to get the same high. I have a very compulsive personality, and at my worst moments tend to want a quick fix rather than work long-term on a problem.

Hence, I stay away from all drugs. Even pot. (Ok, alcohol not so much... but whatever. I just don't get behind the wheel when I drink.)

And Xanax... no tolerance issues at all. Guess I got lucky there.
 
2012-06-10 06:24:16 PM  

downstairs: Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.

First of all, define "addictive". I've taken 0.5 MG, once per day, for about 5-6 years now. I absolutely need it, and I notice its affects (positive). I've never had tolerance issues where I needed to up the dosage, ever.

I don't consider that a bad thing. As compared to, say, alcohol addiction... where you start with a six pack a day and find yourself downing a 5th of whiskey every night, and taking a sip here and there during the day just to get by.

Maybe everyone is different. I'm not a doctor, and only know of my own experience.

And to the person who said "your doctor will take you off and leave you addicted". No, he won't. That can kill you. If you're not tolerating Xanax well, you have to very carefully be weaned off of it... and slowly.


People are... different. Some people, I don't think the term "tolerance" is applicable. It's that they want to grow and expand, which is not unnatural at all. So moving on to bigger things means taking more and the weird behavior seems pretty awesome and better than before. Things get worse, progressively. Basically, "you can't handle your shiat" instead of understanding moderation and the limits of what this stuff will do for you and not expecting more by taking more.
 
2012-06-10 06:25:09 PM  

Oznog: downstairs: Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.

First of all, define "addictive". I've taken 0.5 MG, once per day, for about 5-6 years now. I absolutely need it, and I notice its affects (positive). I've never had tolerance issues where I needed to up the dosage, ever.

I don't consider that a bad thing. As compared to, say, alcohol addiction... where you start with a six pack a day and find yourself downing a 5th of whiskey every night, and taking a sip here and there during the day just to get by.

Maybe everyone is different. I'm not a doctor, and only know of my own experience.

And to the person who said "your doctor will take you off and leave you addicted". No, he won't. That can kill you. If you're not tolerating Xanax well, you have to very carefully be weaned off of it... and slowly.

People are... different. Some people, I don't think the term "tolerance" is applicable. It's that they want to grow and expand, which is not unnatural at all. So moving on to bigger things means taking more and the weird behavior seems pretty awesome and better than before. Things get worse, progressively. Basically, "you can't handle your shiat" instead of understanding moderation and the limits of what this stuff will do for you and not expecting more by taking more.


why not just take psyliocybin??
 
2012-06-10 06:26:44 PM  

morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.


Link

"I don't care if it hurts
I want to have control
I want a perfect body
I want a perfect soul"
 
2012-06-10 06:28:38 PM  
WELL DUH.

/my narcolepsy med is also for adhd
//and I have come close to slapping a friend bemoaning the shortage in jan because she wanted to 'get stuff done'
///I need it to do things like 'safely drive'
 
2012-06-10 06:29:25 PM  
I don't know if I would consider taking pills like this to be cheating. If all they do is enhance your ability to focus then you still have to actually do the studying to pass the test. Do you forget everything that you crammed while under the influence after the effects wear off?

I've never taken anything prescription like this, but I did pop caffeine pills freshman year in college so that I could stay awake during my 8am comp sci data structures class taught by a Chinese adjunct professor who could barely speak English. I had to stop when they made my heels bleed.
 
2012-06-10 06:32:37 PM  
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Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.
 
2012-06-10 06:33:26 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


I have to usually try three pharmacies, get my script in person each month, and justify needing it to my insurer every 12 months.

How about going after the doctors who make it incredibly easy for kids to get scripts with a half hour appointment and leave us who have documented and legit needs out of it?
 
2012-06-10 06:36:22 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.

I have to usually try three pharmacies, get my script in person each month, and justify needing it to my insurer every 12 months.

How about going after the doctors who make it incredibly easy for kids to get scripts with a half hour appointment and leave us who have documented and legit needs out of it?


bigtopfive.com.s120608.gridserver.com

You want a documented and legit need for it? I can get you a documented and legit need for it.
Hell, I can get you a documented and legit need by 3 o'clock this afternoon- WITH a valid, filled prescription!
 
2012-06-10 06:37:20 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: WELL DUH.

/my narcolepsy med is also for adhd
//and I have come close to slapping a friend bemoaning the shortage in jan because she wanted to 'get stuff done'
///I need it to do things like 'safely drive'


which you could do without pills. u just like the feeling of the extra dopamine. classic addict behaviour.
 
2012-06-10 06:37:32 PM  

GhostFish: I've been on Adderall for over a decade. I can stop taking it with no negative side effects, other than going back to not being able to finish anything because shiny.

The shortages are bothersome. Not because I'm dying for a fix, but because trying to find a pharmacy that can fill the prescription is a pain in the ass.


I've been using Concerta for about six months now and have a similar experience with it. The only 'side effect' other than losing concentration is that I sleep more on non-med days, once or twice a week. I was actually pretty well adjusted to it, medium dose, when I had my car accident a couple weeks ago and between that and the vacation we'd already paid for, have been off it long enough to apparently lose a lot of my tolerance. We'll see if I get to sleep at all tonight.

Haven't had any shortage problems at least but that might be because of the rural location and Wegmans having an awesome pharmacy in general. They sure keep it better stocked than some of the other sections I frequent.
 
2012-06-10 06:37:37 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: How about going after the doctors who make it incredibly easy for kids to get scripts with a half hour appointment and leave us who have documented and legit needs out of it?


^^^^This.

Even as an adult, my doctor perscribed me Xanax basically to get me out of the office. By a stroke of luck it worked, and luckily I have a psychiatrist (and a good one to boot) handling those meds now. I just KNEW my general doctor didn't know crap.

I had cluster migraine headaches and he perscribed me vicodin. It doesn't work like that, idiot. Went to a real brain doctor and got some serious psych meds that luckily solved the cluster headache problem within a month.

I hate GPs
 
2012-06-10 06:38:14 PM  
Adderall is awesome for those who suffer from severe depression.

Self medicating is probably the only reason why I am still living today
 
2012-06-10 06:38:20 PM  

Gyrfalcon: The most popular "study drug" among high school students, it lasts 8 to 12 hours, and its generic equivalent is less expensive than Vyvanse. Small beads in capsules can be crushed and snorted. It increases dopamine levels in the brain but also can affect sleep patterns.

Who the f*ck are they trying to educate here?!?


The suckers who just swallow the pills.
 
2012-06-10 06:41:12 PM  

Oznog: Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.


Having had SJ due to a different drug... it SUCKED. Agony for a week, lucky it was that long.

Provigil doesn't do a damn thing to stop the narcolepsy attacks either. I don't get the appeal because it didn't help me with focus either. Vyvance worked okay until my heart rate skyrocketed.

And the appeal of regular adderall - not XR - is that I can take an extra bit right before I feel an attack coming on. Or, if you will, right before the upper middle class overachiever needs to take a final. Very quick acting.
 
2012-06-10 06:45:56 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


Stay the fark away from it.

Being on it is fine.
Being not on it damn near farking killed me.
Took my brain 8 months to recover from whatever horror it did - and despite what the doctor says, that shiat DOES rewire your farking brain.
Use Pot. Meditate. Stare at naked ladies. Whatever it takes to avoid Xanax, or any other "diazopams" or whatever the hell they are.

Unless you are under the tight, controlled scrutiny and observation of an accredited PSYCHIATRIST on speed-dial, do not farking take it.
 
2012-06-10 06:46:14 PM  

Oznog: Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.


I wouldn't call it "just fine". I mean, you sleep, but pretty much wake up as soon as a mosquito lands on you.

And your pee smells like a tire fire while it's in your system.
 
2012-06-10 06:47:11 PM  

Oznog: [images.gizmag.com image 498x298]

Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.



"Sir, calm down, you're going to give yourself skin failure. The symptoms you describe lead me to believe that you are suffering from bonus eruptus, a rare disorder in which the skeleton tries to jump out of the skin. The only way to stop it is through transdental electromicide. I'll need a golf cart motor and a thousand volt capacimator, stat."
 
2012-06-10 06:49:11 PM  

downstairs: StreetlightInTheGhetto: How about going after the doctors who make it incredibly easy for kids to get scripts with a half hour appointment and leave us who have documented and legit needs out of it?

^^^^This.

Even as an adult, my doctor perscribed me Xanax basically to get me out of the office. By a stroke of luck it worked, and luckily I have a psychiatrist (and a good one to boot) handling those meds now. I just KNEW my general doctor didn't know crap.

I had cluster migraine headaches and he perscribed me vicodin. It doesn't work like that, idiot. Went to a real brain doctor and got some serious psych meds that luckily solved the cluster headache problem within a month.

I hate GPs


I am very lucky that my last and my current GPs both kick ass.

My current gave me my script on the first visit - I had a note from old doctor and years of script receipts - but only on the condition that I forward my sleep study results. He also doesn't reach for meds as the first answer to anything.

But I've been through enough GPs to know mine is an exception. Most just don't have time. Mine fought to make sure he gets a full half hour w each patient. One full hour a year for a physical.

Sticking with him for awhile.
 
2012-06-10 06:50:00 PM  
Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.
 
2012-06-10 06:51:45 PM  

BSABSVR: Oznog: Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

I wouldn't call it "just fine". I mean, you sleep, but pretty much wake up as soon as a mosquito lands on you.

And your pee smells like a tire fire while it's in your system.


images.wikia.com
 
2012-06-10 06:54:05 PM  

PlatypusPuke: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Stay the fark away from it.

Being on it is fine.
Being not on it damn near farking killed me.
Took my brain 8 months to recover from whatever horror it did - and despite what the doctor says, that shiat DOES rewire your farking brain.
Use Pot. Meditate. Stare at naked ladies. Whatever it takes to avoid Xanax, or any other "diazopams" or whatever the hell they are.

Unless you are under the tight, controlled scrutiny and observation of an accredited PSYCHIATRIST on speed-dial, do not farking take it.


I had a small Xanax script.

I've had memory loss from drinking once. After the second time that happened with Xanax I tossed the rest.

I heard the withdrawl sucks far but i never even got that far.
 
2012-06-10 06:56:50 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: I don't know if I would consider taking pills like this to be cheating. If all they do is enhance your ability to focus then you still have to actually do the studying to pass the test. Do you forget everything that you crammed while under the influence after the effects wear off?


It works differently for (most) people actually diagnosed with ADHD. I have a terrible time staying on one task without it, which didn't matter so much before I started my little business thing. But when I found myself falling into a one or two hour side track that had nothing to do with 'work', more than once a day, I knew I had to get some kind of medication. Hadn't been on it since high school. I don't even have it that severely; was never 'hyper', but without an external force to keep me in fear for my job, it is a lot harder to concentrate. With it I, I can do work like a normal person, if maybe a little more focused/OCD than you'd expect.

My sister however was put on Ritalin (much like cman for his narcolepsy), because after her head trauma they needed to keep her awake during the day (or something like that) for a couple of weeks. She said it gave her terrible nightmares, which are really all she remembers of that time. She's never had concentration problems so basically as far as I know it farked up her brain chemistry enough to cause more problems than it solved.

Also as far as I can tell, I've retained most of what I learned while on it (at least whatever I thought was worth remembering). Dunno how it works for people getting it illicitly.
 
2012-06-10 06:56:55 PM  

rga184: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

What was it prescribed for? Other than occasional panic attacks or as a short term aid to sleep or anxiety, nothing good comes of it, long term. I weaned my mother off it (took it for nerves and to help her sleep) and now she says she's thinking more clearly and actually sleeping better. She's also exercising more and taking nightly melatonin to help fall asleep, but it at least proves she didn't need it in the first place.

The problem is you eventually develop a tolerance for it and don't get the same effect with your initial dose that you first got from it. Eventually, you're just taking something that doesn't have that much of a pharmacologic effect, but still some of the side effects. Like I said, as a short term med to help you through a time limited difficulty, our as an occasional aid for panic attacks (situations where we wouldn't expect tolerance to build up) it's a fine drug.


Anxiety, I have a history with addiction and I don't want to risk it even occasionally. The funny thing is there was another guy they brought in who had OD'd on Xanax and Adderal while the doc was writing the prescription.
 
2012-06-10 06:58:41 PM  
BTW thank you all for the input. For some stupid reason I can trust you guys for honest input... and snark.
 
2012-06-10 07:00:43 PM  
Good god. Stop regulating what I do with myself.
 
2012-06-10 07:03:19 PM  

drew is pedal: That article is wrong, there is a generic available for Concerta, its Methylphenidate ER. The funny thing is that it is the exact same pill as Brand name, because of some lawsuit the manufacturer is forced to sell the stuff as a generic. I used to pay $45 for brand name and under the generic it only costs me $10 :)


Came to say this. However, the generic is still expensive out of pocket. I have to pay out of pocket and it's something like $165 for 30, 36mg pills whereas the brand name is like $205.

I switched to straight methylin as 120, 10mg pills are $18. I have 5/6ths active ingredient and just take one 3 times a day but I for a difference of $147 bucks, you'd have to be an idiot not to do that.
 
2012-06-10 07:05:10 PM  

Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.


No offense, but stfu.

/awesome.
//study something that keeps you interested if it's only an "academic book" problem
 
2012-06-10 07:08:49 PM  

cman: Adderall is awesome for those who suffer from severe depression.

Self medicating is probably the only reason why I am still living today


That sounds terrible. I hope you get well without the help of medication. Depression is a hell of a condition, hell in the biblical sense.
 
2012-06-10 07:10:11 PM  

GreatBunzinni: cman: Adderall is awesome for those who suffer from severe depression.

Self medicating is probably the only reason why I am still living today

That sounds terrible. I hope you get well without the help of medication. Depression is a hell of a condition, hell in the biblical sense.


why not drink coca tea
that's good for depression too.
go to amazon.com now
 
2012-06-10 07:10:14 PM  

Outlaw Thirds: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Once. Only effect I could really put my finger on was the fact that I'd forget the point of a sentence half-way through it, so I started saying stuff like "You know, I was thinking... um... never mind."


I am like that now. No Xanax or anything else. Growing old sucks.
 
2012-06-10 07:10:19 PM  

Darkraven: Anyway, she became completely suicidal toward the middle of the year. Her aunt prescribed her antidepressants and told her to go off the Adderall. In the end, she went off the antidepressants because she couldn't function with the Adderall. She's still a mess.


Sure adding drugs to the problem always works..maybe getting off the Adderall would stop her depression..
 
2012-06-10 07:15:49 PM  

downstairs: dmars: PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.

Source Please. I am 29 and know plenty of people, including myself, who engaged in this behavior while we were teenagers and through college. The majority of us are well adjusted, responsible adults.

Should be easier to get in my opinion that doesn't count for anything.

Everyone handles brain drugs differently. They're some of the most dangerous stuff out there for *some* people.


Everyone handles peanuts differently. They're some of the most dangerous stuff out there for *some* people.

Doesn't mean my access to peanuts should be restricted


I kidd, I am not serious with that direction of argument at all
 
2012-06-10 07:19:43 PM  
David Letterman?
 
2012-06-10 07:21:27 PM  
That article is bull. The reason why is the FDA regulates how much can be manufactured. The drug company only packages so much as generic. The rest they package as their name brand. Probably made on the same line. No one wants to pay 200 bucks for a 8 buck walmart refill. Changing the pill shape texture and color does not make it worth that much more.
 
2012-06-10 07:22:14 PM  
That article is bull. The reason why is the FDA regulates how much can be manufactured. The drug companys only packages so much as generic. The rest they package as their name brand. Probably made on the same line. No one wants to pay 200 bucks for a 8 buck walmart refill. Changing the pill shape texture and color does not make it worth that much more.
 
2012-06-10 07:22:59 PM  
okay i didn't mean to do that
 
2012-06-10 07:29:11 PM  

JohnTuttle: The hell, man? Whatever happened to a couple of No-Doz and a can of Jolt?


Everyone's brain is wired differently. I take a lot of Ritalin and I sleep just fine. If I have a Diet Coke with caffeine I won't sleep that night. If I take Sudafed, I'm up for days.
 
2012-06-10 07:34:21 PM  
So according to that picture over 10 million teenagers are prescribed this stuff. What the fark is wrong with their parents? I'll bet most of them will go on and on about how they 'need' to take these drugs just like all the over medicated morons in this thread.
 
2012-06-10 07:35:02 PM  
Adderall is a two-edged sword.

Front edge: Improved mental focus and control for a mind that is out of control.
Back edge: Profound remorse for every stupid mistake that out-of-control mind ever made.

Use carefully.
 
2012-06-10 07:35:09 PM  

Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.


These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.
 
2012-06-10 07:35:51 PM  
I'll admit, I've been tempted to try it. I've got one year left of a Ph.D. and about five manuscripts to write in the meantime, not to mention writing grant proposals to find a postdoc. On the other hand, I'm kind of stubbornly proud that I have never used it before and my wife would strongly disapprove.
 
2012-06-10 07:38:17 PM  
Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.
 
2012-06-10 07:39:29 PM  
Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.
 
2012-06-10 07:41:46 PM  
Back in the dark ages, in order to pass exams we used to crush up vivarin and snort it. You had this foul scent in your head and were snorting all the time and your nose was bleedin' just like a coke addict but without the fun, but WE LIKED it! None of this prescription flibbidy floo.
 
2012-06-10 07:48:26 PM  
I posted my bit on this in the thread about the same thing a couple weeks ago.

/Fark the DEA, I want my meds back.
 
2012-06-10 07:49:27 PM  

debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.


Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA
 
2012-06-10 07:56:40 PM  
I'm glad TFA came with a handy shopping list so the kids know just what to get. Helpful, that, with exams comming up.
 
2012-06-10 08:08:58 PM  
Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.
 
2012-06-10 08:09:49 PM  

the_chief: Good god. Stop regulating what I do with myself.


Calm down. No one's made that illegal yet. Just stop doing it in public and you'll be fine.
 
2012-06-10 08:13:22 PM  

Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.


No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.
 
2012-06-10 08:16:35 PM  

Jixa: FTFA - re: Concerta "Very difficult to crush into powder and snort, so it is popular among psychiatrists concerned a patient might abuse or sell it. It can provide a short-term boost and last up to 16 hours - drastically affecting sleep. No generic is available, so it can be more expensive."

When did they write this? My son takes generic Concerta, and it's covered by Medicaid so it can't be incredibly expensive if it were they wouldn't cover it.


Ritalin, Concerta, and Adderall all have generic equivalents. None of them are particularly inexpensive as, even though they're generic, they're sole source so there's really no competition. Also all three are experiencing mild supply disruptions.
 
2012-06-10 08:16:38 PM  

Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA


Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?
 
2012-06-10 08:18:10 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.

No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.


Funny you mention that. You should take a look at what the DEA heads used to do before they were DEA heads.
 
2012-06-10 08:20:53 PM  

Oznog: It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome


My son had an attack of that when he was about 2 years old. Horrible to watch his skin just start bubbling up and peeling off.

No known cause in his case, and after about 5 days in the hospital he was fine.
 
2012-06-10 08:21:40 PM  

debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?


I'm not all that surprised that Dex is not on the list in the article, but do a little research and you will find that it *used* to be, and almost all ADD/ADHD meds use the same amphetamine salts that are in Dex in one combo or another.

On the 2nd point, I will not disagree. One of the reasons I like my doc is that she does not allow drug reps in the office at all. No sample bags, no script switching every time something new and shiny comes on the market. You get your script, if it works.. you use it. If not, we move on to something else.

She's very old school. Even makes her patients on ADD stimulants get EKG's every 6 months to make sure they are not damaging their hearts.
 
2012-06-10 08:24:44 PM  

debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?


he's sleep deprived wacked out on dexies
 
2012-06-10 08:26:23 PM  

Alphakronik: Shadow Blasko: Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.

No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.

Funny you mention that. You should take a look at what the DEA heads used to do before they were DEA heads.


I just read up on all 8.

I dont see any pharma tie-ins... Not saying they are not there, but they look pretty above board (he he) to me.
 
2012-06-10 08:27:31 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?

he's sleep deprived wacked out on dexies


God I wish. I have not been able to get my Dexedrine in almost 6 months. I cant afford it.
 
2012-06-10 08:28:55 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Alphakronik: Ummm, that's not a cause. That's an end result.


The cause is drug dealers like Pfizer and Bayer cutting supply to raise demand, so that prices can follow.

Most unscrupulous criminals in the world.

No. That is not what happened.
Demand went up. The DEA said .. Oh, thats nice, you don't get any more amphetamine salts.

Pharma companies literally RAN OUT of amphetamine salts last year. They cant just get more. The DEA has to approve it, and they will not. They will run out again this year too.

Whether the problem was overuse, over-prescription.. the price increase is because the DEA caused the market scarcity. Not the pharma companies.

Not saying the pharma cos are blameless here, but they certainly did not cause the scarcity.


I can confirm that. Any C2 drug out there has a specified number of doses that are allowed to be produced in a given quarter. The DEA sets that quota. Companies can petition for increases in the quota due to changing market conditions (like every granny in the States broke their hip in October during that freak snowstorm and need their drugs) but the DEA doesn't have to approve it.

This doesn't mean there aren't abuses going on, but some of this is due to the generic manufacturers sucking up the raw materials to make their versions, the brand manufacturers doing the same, etc. Mostly because in an artificially-constrained market it makes sense for a brand company to do this.

However, I'm pretty sure demand also spiked which doesn't make lots of sense. If the usage was X when it was a brand, the total usage shouldn't vary significantly from X when a brand and generic are available.
 
2012-06-10 08:34:59 PM  

ronaprhys: However, I'm pretty sure demand also spiked which doesn't make lots of sense. If the usage was X when it was a brand, the total usage shouldn't vary significantly from X when a brand and generic are available.


While the article is correct, they ARE being massively overused at the college level, those scripts would be getting filled anyway, whether going to the black market or not.

I think part of the issue is the next generation of depression meds seem to be using amphetamine salts as well. Maybe that is part of it. I am not sure.
 
2012-06-10 08:37:51 PM  

Oznog: [images.gizmag.com image 498x298]

Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.


You're farking kidding, right?
 
2012-06-10 08:45:29 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

No offense, but stfu.

/awesome.
//study something that keeps you interested if it's only an "academic book" problem


Because everyone trying to get a degree is in love with every course the program assigns them. That makes no sense what you said...life doesn't work that way when you are a student.
 
2012-06-10 08:47:24 PM  

dmars: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.


Thanks. Sadly I'm not ADD or ADHD. I wish there was something on the market that could work the same way. I am bogged down in a few courses that are part of my program but are of no interest to me. Sadly...the exams still need to get passed, and the textbooks are real slumber fests...
 
2012-06-10 08:50:21 PM  

Shadow Blasko: ronaprhys: However, I'm pretty sure demand also spiked which doesn't make lots of sense. If the usage was X when it was a brand, the total usage shouldn't vary significantly from X when a brand and generic are available.

While the article is correct, they ARE being massively overused at the college level, those scripts would be getting filled anyway, whether going to the black market or not.

I think part of the issue is the next generation of depression meds seem to be using amphetamine salts as well. Maybe that is part of it. I am not sure.


I've not heard that, but since that'd be under a new NDA I think they'd get their own quota. Producing the raw materials really isn't the issue (though a shortage of sugar beets is actually causing a problem with hyoscamine pamoate, IIRC) here - it's the quota. If they're considered separate drugs there shouldn't be a restriction due to that.
 
2012-06-10 08:51:08 PM  

morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.


No longer the precious snowflake generation?
 
2012-06-10 08:56:37 PM  

debug: Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.


If you know anyone getting kick-backs, you can get them thrown in jail or heavilly fined. The most back-kicking that's allowed nowadays is a free meal or two at the office and that happens more if you DON'T prescribe the expensive drug enough. ;)

Just clearing that up. ;)
 
2012-06-10 09:00:32 PM  

alex10294: debug: Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.

If you know anyone getting kick-backs, you can get them thrown in jail or heavilly fined. The most back-kicking that's allowed nowadays is a free meal or two at the office and that happens more if you DON'T prescribe the expensive drug enough. ;)

Just clearing that up. ;)


Yep - it's probably being detailed to them as a new drug that avoids the most problematic side-effects of the others, drives the overall lowest patient cost (due to not requiring other things to go with it), lasts longer, whatever. If a drug is cheap and has less side effects it'll get prescribed over something else.
 
2012-06-10 09:10:06 PM  

Wolf892: Because everyone trying to get a degree is in love with every course the program assigns them. That makes no sense what you said...life doesn't work that way when you are a student.


It makes no sense that people's first goddamn instinct isn't to figure out how to deal with it (break it down into sections, drink some goddamn coffee) but "hey, might this drug work for me?"

Because I need this drug to live a normal life, you see. So it pisses me off when people - and oh, I've ran across many, I live in a university town - innocently wonder or offhandedly mention using it.

Studying doesn't feel "natural" to you. Great. I had to set my phone every 15 minutes during one test when I didn't have my meds to make sure I didn't fall asleep. It woke me up twice in an hour and a half. You can see from my notes the times when I had an attack... My writing goes from perfect to squiggles then perfect again as I snap awake. It took me extra time to graduate because I didn't get properly diagnosed until two years in.

Every single one of you f--kers who use it to make studying "easier" when unlike people who actually have ADD/ADHD (and I do have friends with legit cases) or narcolepsy (which as far as I know are the two FDA approved uses for it) make it harder for me and others to get our medication.

Every.

Single.

Month.

If I can even find it. Between November and January I couldn't. Finally found a pharmacy 3 hours away round trip that had it. Took two days off work to get it two different months, which was fine because it was the only way I could really function at work anyway. Thankfully i have an understanding boss.

You see why I get pissed?
 
2012-06-10 09:11:20 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Every single one of you f--kers who use it to make studying "easier" when unlike people who actually have ADD/ADHD (and I do have friends with legit cases) or narcolepsy (which as far as I know are the two FDA approved uses for it) make it harder for me and others to get our medication.

Every.

Single.

Month.

If I can even find it. Between November and January I couldn't. Finally found a pharmacy 3 hours away round trip that had it. Took two days off work to get it two different months, which was fine because it was the only way I could really function at work anyway. Thankfully i have an understanding boss.

You see why I get pissed?



Farking THIS! ^^^
 
2012-06-10 09:12:16 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I had to set my phone every 15 minutes during one test when I didn't have my meds to make sure I didn't fall asleep. It woke me up twice in an hour and a half.


I also had a really understanding academic adviser and department, so I got to take that test in a room by myself as to not screw with everybody else.

/we had to sign an honor code and didn't have any supervision during normal test taking anyhow anyway
//somehow managed to get in the top 10% on that test, which blew my mind
 
2012-06-10 09:13:22 PM  

ronaprhys: alex10294: debug: Vyvanse, it is the most expensive and has the most prescriptions. I'm sure that's just a coincidence and doctors aren't prescribing this drug because of kick-backs or anything like that when a cheaper drug will suffice.

If you know anyone getting kick-backs, you can get them thrown in jail or heavilly fined. The most back-kicking that's allowed nowadays is a free meal or two at the office and that happens more if you DON'T prescribe the expensive drug enough. ;)

Just clearing that up. ;)

Yep - it's probably being detailed to them as a new drug that avoids the most problematic side-effects of the others, drives the overall lowest patient cost (due to not requiring other things to go with it), lasts longer, whatever. If a drug is cheap and has less side effects it'll get prescribed over something else.


Sorry, I just don't have that much faith or trust for healthcare professionals.
 
2012-06-10 09:15:11 PM  
Wow! That Times article was a GREAT advertisement for prescription drug abuse! It's normal, it's relatively cheap, some you can snort, and the Times even posted the pros and cons of each.

What a great way to get good grades, get into a good college, and lose weight all at the same time!
 
2012-06-10 09:19:06 PM  

Shadow Blasko: Jon iz teh kewl: debug: Shadow Blasko: debug: Also coincidentally, the cheapest drug, Ritalin, is also the least prescribed.

Bullshiat detected.

Dexedrine. Least prescribed, lowest cost. oldest.

/Now 400% more expensive thanks to the DEA

Considering that's not one of the drugs on the chart or in the article, I fail to see how it's bullshiat. At the same time, you made my point. The cheap drugs are the least prescribed. Odd isn't it?

he's sleep deprived wacked out on dexies

God I wish. I have not been able to get my Dexedrine in almost 6 months. I cant afford it.


geranamine's cheap. try that
 
2012-06-10 09:43:58 PM  
Maybe they shouldn't run school like a shiatty people factory. I love learning - I hated school.
 
2012-06-10 10:00:12 PM  

ChuDogg: morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.

No longer the precious snowflake generation?


Not according to this guy. Link
 
2012-06-10 10:01:38 PM  
12 years after being diagnosed with ADHD and taking ritalin and wellbutrin for only about a year, I have decided to visit a doctor hoping to get a prescription that will help me. I'm by no means a complete failure, but I realize that I have some final hurdles that I just can't manage to do on my own. I also realize that a lot of the accommodations that I have made in my life were at the expense of bigger things e.g. keeping no ties, roots and having very few material possessions. I try to keep things minimal in case I completely screw up and lose it all. I think I realize that treading water is no way to live and want to make some proactive efforts to thrive and build. Anyways, so reading articles like these really make me nervous about being approved for a script.

/tips are welcome
 
2012-06-10 10:22:30 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


I have had a Xanax prescription for 1.5 years. I get panic attacks and am also on Prozac for anxiety and depression. I am always hyper aware of the possibility of addiction so I only take one pill when I really need it. One bottle of 20 pills lasted me a year before I got another bottle. It is possible to not become addicted, but you have to be smart about it. I would have to say I average 1-2 pills a month.
 
2012-06-10 10:24:05 PM  

flyinghouse99: 12 years after being diagnosed with ADHD and taking ritalin and wellbutrin for only about a year, I have decided to visit a doctor hoping to get a prescription that will help me. I'm by no means a complete failure, but I realize that I have some final hurdles that I just can't manage to do on my own. I also realize that a lot of the accommodations that I have made in my life were at the expense of bigger things e.g. keeping no ties, roots and having very few material possessions. I try to keep things minimal in case I completely screw up and lose it all. I think I realize that treading water is no way to live and want to make some proactive efforts to thrive and build. Anyways, so reading articles like these really make me nervous about being approved for a script.

/tips are welcome


1. Keep your records. Request copies of them if you need to. Prepare ahead of time for your doctor. They will appreciate it.

2. RESEARCH. There ARE good doctors out there who give a damn and who will work with you to find the medication or lifestyle changes - ideally both - that will help you. I've found three now and I can't tell you what a relief it was when I found the first one.

She actually spoke to me like a person, worked with me on behavior stuff (in my case, stupid stuff that actually works - like breathing exercises, keeping my bed to just sleeping as much as possible, etc. - insomnia is a stupid side effect of narcolepsy) and when meds came up, gave me info sheets on three options, the pluses and minuses, the possible side effects - and then asked for my input.

3. Be honest.

4. Find a decent GP who will actually work with a psych. Your mind and body aren't two distinct areas to treat - each affects the other.

Good luck.
 
2012-06-10 10:29:38 PM  

Bob Dolemite: so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.


hgh ehances your physical ability to play a sport, these drugs are good for keeping you up all night but not your intellectual capacity to take a test. Subtle difference, yes?
 
2012-06-10 10:46:35 PM  
Could we maybe take a look at our education system and find a way to teach kids without eight hours a night of homework and putting all the pressure on one or two tests? Just maybe?

/I know a guy who had been homeschooled his whole life, and on his first day of HS, junior year, came home with literally eight hours of homework.
//Not 'I'm lazy\stupid eight hours' either. This guy was perfectly average, and it was eight full hours worth.
 
2012-06-10 10:51:55 PM  
I wasn't aware you could defeat the time-release mechanism of Adderall XR by crushing the spheres inside the capsule and snorting them.

[the_more_you_know.jpg]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
2012-06-10 10:59:32 PM  

clowncar on fire: Bob Dolemite: so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.

hgh ehances your physical ability to play a sport, these drugs are good for keeping you up all night but not your intellectual capacity to take a test. Subtle difference, yes?


Not much.

I'm pretty much immune to the get-shiat-done effects of adderall now. Been taking it so long that even after my unintentional hiatus I didn't get the "WOW GETTING STUFF DONE" effect I got in the beginning anymore.

But when I first started taking it, what I could accomplish blew me away. Easy to see why it's so easily abused. And in high school, it didn't matter - to be frank about it, I was smart enough where I could get my work done without much trouble.

But when you're in college, you're likely on the same basic intellectual level with your peers, and you have a huge freaking stack of material to go through - yeah, those who can power through sleep and who can focus and absorb more stuff do have an advantage. Especially in things like the humanities when you have hundreds of pages to read each week.

It certainly gave me an advantage for maybe the first semester, then the positive side effects started to fade away as I was taking it daily.
 
2012-06-10 11:01:26 PM  
Put it this way - there's a damn good reason that the price jumps up considerably during finals.

/didn't sell it but I was kept helpfully informed of the going rate by a friend who wanted me to
 
2012-06-10 11:23:49 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Put it this way - there's a damn good reason that the price jumps up considerably during finals.

/didn't sell it but I was kept helpfully informed of the going rate by a friend who wanted me to


When you can't find it, does your mind completely garble words like mine does? I mean, I understand, speak and write in English. But when I don't have it I have to have someone repeat something like three or sometimes four times.

Makes me feel like an asshole and pisses customers off. Also, when I don't have it, I become number dyslexic.
 
2012-06-10 11:24:18 PM  
Lister, where's my revision timetable? It's Saturday night. No one works Saturday night. You don't work any night. You don't work any day. Skive hard, play hard, that's our motto. Lister, where's my revision timetable?
 
2012-06-11 12:18:11 AM  
Interesting. Even more interesting was the little side story related to the article that I read:http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/10/education/stimulant s-student-voices.html?ref=education

I never had good study habits when in school. For one thing, I didn't like school and being regimented. Being a painfully shy kid, I had a hard time dealing with the dynamics of classrooms. I lived in a rural area and learned more rapidly and accurately about nature than most thins un school. Then, I discovered the library and naturally, learned about all sorts of things except what the teachers wanted me to.

Back then, you would have called me a dreamer. Maybe I had ADHD, but no one even knew what it was at that time. See, we still called 'Mentally Challenged' kids retards or retarded without rancor. 'Little People' were dwarfs or midgets. There was no political correctness.

I don't recall there being such pressure to do exceptionally well in school nor a major demand to get a college education. I barely graduated high school, but when I took the entrance exam for my chosen college degree, out of 500 applicants, I was in the top 100 to get in. Of that group, I placed above 50%.

I also survived the initial weeding out process where the professors deliberately worked to get the class down to 30.

Considering my grade averages in school were C's and D's, I was pretty pleased to rate so high in college where I was working towards an Associate Degree in Registered Nursing.

I also worked at the local hospital while I attended college.

My niece has entered college to get her degree in Psychiatry. She's been there for two years now and has taken NOTHING relating to psychiatry, but has to take what I consider garbage courses to round out her degree. Maybe in the next year or two, she'll finally start studying active psychology.

During my time, I had to take English and Gym -- both a waste of my time as far as I was concerned. I also had to take sociology, which, to me anyhow, was a common sense course -- which I skipped most of and just showed up to take the tests.

Apparently these days, there's a lot of emphasis placed on good school grades to get into college. Then when you get there, you still have to take 'garbage' courses to fill out your degree, which, IMO, are not necessary and needlessly occupy your time.
I don't know. I've always been a dreamer. I've always had problems learning things I was told to learn unless I found them interesting.

Maybe I could have used some of those drugs. It was real hard for me to pay attention in math class and I had similar problems in college Biology.

I washed out in my second trip to college, where I was going for a psychiatry degree. The first class dealing with psychiatry was nothing more than math, to be used in the field to grade the scales of illnesses. It bored me to tears. I worked in psychiatry at the time and was more interested in getting to the meat of the matter: why did the human brain f**k up and what could be done about it.

I also got shoved into English Lit. I quit in the first quarter.

When I wanted to learn something, I wanted to learn IT! Not take humanities, English, music appreciation and ancient history to 'round out' my education.

Being pushed so hard that you need drugs to achieve means there's something wrong with the system.
 
2012-06-11 12:21:23 AM  

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Put it this way - there's a damn good reason that the price jumps up considerably during finals.

/didn't sell it but I was kept helpfully informed of the going rate by a friend who wanted me to

When you can't find it, does your mind completely garble words like mine does? I mean, I understand, speak and write in English. But when I don't have it I have to have someone repeat something like three or sometimes four times.

Makes me feel like an asshole and pisses customers off. Also, when I don't have it, I become number dyslexic.


Harder to focus and actually understand immediately what someone is saying... like a half second delay. Part of that might be the slight hearing loss though.

/years of going to and shooting photos at shows
//the earplugs, they did little
 
2012-06-11 12:29:17 AM  

Oznog: [images.gizmag.com image 498x298]

Modafinil, much better idea. It's a sort of stimulant but more for attention than general stimulation. No jitters, no high, nonaddictive. You can actually sleep just fine with it, too.

It's not widely overprescribed because of warnings of Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, a medical crisis where the body attacks its own skin. It CAN be pretty godawful horrific but could also just be a rash. There's only a handful of cases documented with modafinil in trials or in use since then, and most cases weren't all that serious. And they watch for it pretty carefully in studies and in the field so it seems unlikely that it's more common than indicated.


Oh, gawd.... The migraines that shiat gave me were terrible! I'll stick with my adderall
 
2012-06-11 12:41:14 AM  

St_Francis_P: Or not. This has been going on for years.


Right? I came here to say: Welcome to 15 years ago!
 
2012-06-11 01:37:16 AM  
I agree with the "dyslexia" thing with the ADHD mind.
 
2012-06-11 07:27:00 AM  

downstairs: It didn't cure it (don't expect any brain drug to cure anything).


If it were meant to cure anything, you wouldn't have to keep taking it.

That would be called "treatment", and it's one of those things that insurance companies hate to hear because it suggests they'll have to keep shelling out money to you for the rest of your life. They'd kick you out of the casino for winning that many hands.
 
2012-06-11 08:34:38 AM  

Wolf892: dmars: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.

Thanks. Sadly I'm not ADD or ADHD. I wish there was something on the market that could work the same way. I am bogged down in a few courses that are part of my program but are of no interest to me. Sadly...the exams still need to get passed, and the textbooks are real slumber fests...


Coke
 
2012-06-11 08:40:36 AM  

SDRR: Wolf892: dmars: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.

Thanks. Sadly I'm not ADD or ADHD. I wish there was something on the market that could work the same way. I am bogged down in a few courses that are part of my program but are of no interest to me. Sadly...the exams still need to get passed, and the textbooks are real slumber fests...

Coke


Speed. Worked for Hitler.


...for a while, anyway. Till the paranoia and delusions kicked in.
 
2012-06-11 09:13:20 AM  

SkunkWerks: SDRR: Wolf892: dmars: Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.

These drugs do actually help with that. For me though I had to start studying when it starts to kick in otherwise you might get interested in putting a puzzle together or playing a video game instead and bam you just wasted 4-8 hours not studying.

Pulled together some good A and B papers in one sitting thanks to some of these.

Thanks. Sadly I'm not ADD or ADHD. I wish there was something on the market that could work the same way. I am bogged down in a few courses that are part of my program but are of no interest to me. Sadly...the exams still need to get passed, and the textbooks are real slumber fests...

Coke

Speed. Worked for Hitler.


...for a while, anyway. Till the paranoia and delusions kicked in.


www.totalleh.com
 
2012-06-11 09:40:16 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: I tried reading that article, but red car.


Same exact problem I oh wow her shirt is purple.

National shortage is ticking me off real bad because it's making it really hard to get my prescription filled. Sucks because I take that to counteract the zombie-like side-effects of another drug I have to take, so until I can get it filled I just kind of amble along mindlessly and occasionally chew on peoples' faces.
 
2012-06-11 09:43:13 AM  
God I used to like Fark. I guess I still do...but GOD, can't you do something about the whiners?
 
2012-06-11 10:01:17 AM  

WarszawaScream: Sock Ruh Tease: I tried reading that article, but red car.

Same exact problem I oh wow her shirt is purple.

National shortage is ticking me off real bad because it's making it really hard to get my prescription filled. Sucks because I take that to counteract the zombie-like side-effects of another drug I have to take, so until I can get it filled I just kind of amble along mindlessly and occasionally chew on peoples' faces.


stop taking drugs dude. try exercising.
i was diagnosed with ADHD too. and i don't take anything. why not just get a job you can deal with without taking meth. you'll thank yourself in the long run. btw Geranamine works just as well as DEXEDRINE BUT IT DOESNT GET U FEEL LIKE MASTURBATING ALL DAY
 
2012-06-11 10:19:23 AM  
Hitler was using injectable methamphetamine.

Once he started on that sh*t, he was done.

Even today, there's only something like a 3% success rate of people who use injectable speed ever getting clean again.
 
2012-06-11 11:50:18 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: WarszawaScream: Sock Ruh Tease: I tried reading that article, but red car.

Same exact problem I oh wow her shirt is purple.

National shortage is ticking me off real bad because it's making it really hard to get my prescription filled. Sucks because I take that to counteract the zombie-like side-effects of another drug I have to take, so until I can get it filled I just kind of amble along mindlessly and occasionally chew on peoples' faces.

stop taking drugs dude. try exercising.
i was diagnosed with ADHD too. and i don't take anything. why not just get a job you can deal with without taking meth. you'll thank yourself in the long run. btw Geranamine works just as well as DEXEDRINE BUT IT DOESNT GET U FEEL LIKE MASTURBATING ALL DAY


wtf did i just read

I do exercise; gym two or three days a week and I'm out fishing more than that (walking on sand + repeated casting; the "sit in the chair and drink beer while the pole sits idle in the water" fishing is only one or two nights.) I'm not taking it for ADHD, like I said it's the counteract the effects of another medication I take for something debilitating that can't be controlled without medication. Unfortunately I've run the gamut of medications and this is the only one that works for me, so either I stack it with Adderall like the doctor prescribes it or I sit and stare at walls all day. I'd love to not have to take anything and be one of these awesome people who were just misdiagnosed and it turns out that they're perfectly fine, but repeated attempts at pretending I'm fine ended up in repeated episodes of near-hospitalization.

If only we could treat most illnesses with coffee and alcohol...
 
2012-06-11 12:27:53 PM  

WarszawaScream: Jon iz teh kewl: WarszawaScream: Sock Ruh Tease: I tried reading that article, but red car.

Same exact problem I oh wow her shirt is purple.

National shortage is ticking me off real bad because it's making it really hard to get my prescription filled. Sucks because I take that to counteract the zombie-like side-effects of another drug I have to take, so until I can get it filled I just kind of amble along mindlessly and occasionally chew on peoples' faces.

stop taking drugs dude. try exercising.
i was diagnosed with ADHD too. and i don't take anything. why not just get a job you can deal with without taking meth. you'll thank yourself in the long run. btw Geranamine works just as well as DEXEDRINE BUT IT DOESNT GET U FEEL LIKE MASTURBATING ALL DAY

wtf did i just read

I do exercise; gym two or three days a week and I'm out fishing more than that (walking on sand + repeated casting; the "sit in the chair and drink beer while the pole sits idle in the water" fishing is only one or two nights.) I'm not taking it for ADHD, like I said it's the counteract the effects of another medication I take for something debilitating that can't be controlled without medication. Unfortunately I've run the gamut of medications and this is the only one that works for me, so either I stack it with Adderall like the doctor prescribes it or I sit and stare at walls all day. I'd love to not have to take anything and be one of these awesome people who were just misdiagnosed and it turns out that they're perfectly fine, but repeated attempts at pretending I'm fine ended up in repeated episodes of near-hospitalization.

If only we could treat most illnesses with coffee and alcohol...


what is this "debilitating" prescription? anxiety??
what a joke
just stop taking your shiat

try an ECA stack!
 
2012-06-11 02:03:45 PM  
I really wish I hadn't read about crushing up the beads in Adderall XRs. I...really wish I didn't know this. I'm staring at the pill and wondering how I can do this nownownownow, someone has a CD case or something I can take to to the bathroom, right? Oh, fark. People like me do NOT need to know these things.
 
2012-06-11 03:00:02 PM  
I've been prescribed Adderall for years, the stuff works wonders in small doses but if I take too much I just get jittery and weird. There's a fine line between use and abuse though, there's no test for ADHD, I just went to a doctor and told him I had trouble focusing on work and he gave me a sample to try. I go in once a month and chat with him about random stuff and get a prescription. I dunno why people buy it on the black market when it's so easy to get it prescribed legally.
 
2012-06-11 04:32:03 PM  

James10952001: I've been prescribed Adderall for years, the stuff works wonders in small doses but if I take too much I just get jittery and weird. There's a fine line between use and abuse though, there's no test for ADHD, I just went to a doctor and told him I had trouble focusing on work and he gave me a sample to try. I go in once a month and chat with him about random stuff and get a prescription. I dunno why people buy it on the black market when it's so easy to get it prescribed legally.


My Husband is the same way, if he gets back on Adderall he won't sleep for 3 days straight. I told him to get a low-dose Adderall or Ritalin (He's on 30mg) instead but apparently his GP won't do it. I'm going to go to him next time.

Personally, I wish GP would encourage other forms of therapy instead of just "handling them a pill so they go away".

Delivered from Distraction is an awesome book that balances pill and non-pill therapies for ADD that's written by a Doc with ADD and not a hippie.
 
2012-06-11 06:33:00 PM  

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


Xanax worked for me, though I sometimes got headaches, so I take Ativan now. I haven't had any issues with dependence or addiction with either of them. No weird side effects or dependence with Adderall, either. Maybe I'm just one of those people for whom meds just work?

/I take that back. Effexor was awful
 
2012-06-11 06:44:35 PM  

downstairs: StreetlightInTheGhetto: How about going after the doctors who make it incredibly easy for kids to get scripts with a half hour appointment and leave us who have documented and legit needs out of it?

^^^^This.

Even as an adult, my doctor perscribed me Xanax basically to get me out of the office. By a stroke of luck it worked, and luckily I have a psychiatrist (and a good one to boot) handling those meds now. I just KNEW my general doctor didn't know crap.

I had cluster migraine headaches and he perscribed me vicodin. It doesn't work like that, idiot. Went to a real brain doctor and got some serious psych meds that luckily solved the cluster headache problem within a month.

I hate GPs


I take Imitrex for my migraines. Works great.

However, in the past I've taken Vicodin for migraines and it did nada. No impact whatsoever. Migraine pain is a different kind of pain...
 
2012-06-11 06:51:17 PM  

Wolf892: Question

I never tried any of the drugs being talked about here, so do they make you want to study or just stay awake so you can study? My problem is the minute I open an academic book I feel dead tired no matter how awake I was prior. I hate studying anything I'm not personally interested in. If there's a pill that makes studying feel natural that would be awesome.


No, they don't make you study but they do kind of act like blinders, allowing you to focus in whatever it is you turn your attention to.

There's a joke that describes it: Took Adderall to study; ended up alphabetizing my CD collection instead.
 
2012-06-12 02:54:49 AM  
FizixJunkee

There's a joke that describes it: Took Adderall to study; ended up alphabetizing my CD collection instead.

Oh my god, this.

Adderall helps you stay focused but you still have to aim that brain at the right target.
 
2012-06-13 10:13:47 AM  

ZipSplat: Maybe they shouldn't run school like a shiatty people factory. I love learning - I hated school.


PsiChick: Could we maybe take a look at our education system and find a way to teach kids without eight hours a night of homework and putting all the pressure on one or two tests? Just maybe?

/I know a guy who had been homeschooled his whole life, and on his first day of HS, junior year, came home with literally eight hours of homework.
//Not 'I'm lazy\stupid eight hours' either. This guy was perfectly average, and it was eight full hours worth.


Both of these.

I have a now-9YO who is very seriously ADHD (primarily hyperactive) and a now-10YO who is also seriously ADHD (primarily inattentive, so his was often ignored). We went through YEARS of struggle with the school district. Psychiatrists, behavior modification, occupational therapists, counselors - you name it. We went through the IEP rigamarole. Still, both of my boys were falling WAY behind.

So now, we homeschool. They both love to read (just not from textbooks!), so we teach through "living books", storybooks, and so forth. We learn by DOING, and we watch documentaries and play games. We limit the amount of writing that we require because both of them have delays in their fine motor skills which make writing difficult and frustrating (we use art and drawing to work on fine motor skills because it's more interesting). And most importantly, we let them MOVE. We actually demand large periods of time for active, outdoor play.

Now in less than a year, they're both performing well above grade level and actually ENJOYING learning.

Maybe the problem is with our educational system (and by extension, our corporate "cubicle" culture).
 
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