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(The New York Times)   You know that national shortage of ADHD drugs? Well, we found the cause   (nytimes.com) divider line 163
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2012-06-10 05:01:40 PM
Or not. This has been going on for years.
 
2012-06-10 05:20:43 PM
I tried reading that article, but red car.
 
2012-06-10 05:23:26 PM
Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.
 
2012-06-10 05:25:19 PM
squirrel!
 
2012-06-10 05:25:35 PM

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


This. My girlfriend in law school popped these like aspirin. The mood swings were a sight to behold. And avoid.
 
2012-06-10 05:25:49 PM
That article is wrong, there is a generic available for Concerta, its Methylphenidate ER. The funny thing is that it is the exact same pill as Brand name, because of some lawsuit the manufacturer is forced to sell the stuff as a generic. I used to pay $45 for brand name and under the generic it only costs me $10 :)
 
2012-06-10 05:26:26 PM
Is it creation of false scarcity by the manufacturers to keep prices artificially high?

*RsTFA*

I'll be darned, it isn't.
 
2012-06-10 05:28:01 PM

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


Source Please. I am 29 and know plenty of people, including myself, who engaged in this behavior while we were teenagers and through college. The majority of us are well adjusted, responsible adults.

Should be easier to get in my opinion that doesn't count for anything.
 
2012-06-10 05:28:33 PM
The most popular "study drug" among high school students, it lasts 8 to 12 hours, and its generic equivalent is less expensive than Vyvanse. Small beads in capsules can be crushed and snorted. It increases dopamine levels in the brain but also can affect sleep patterns.

Who the f*ck are they trying to educate here?!?
 
2012-06-10 05:28:33 PM
I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?
 
2012-06-10 05:28:46 PM
So the future leaders of tomorrow are learning that cheating pays off at an early age.
Hmnnn.... maybe they should be drug tested before their test. If drug testing is good enough for the bulk of the population it should be good enough for the next season of Ivy league douches.
 
2012-06-10 05:28:53 PM

PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.


Thing is, they are. It takes a special DEA form to order these medications, a couple different forms if you lose or misplace a bottle of it and it carries a criminal penalty if the prescription changes hands.

No one really dies from these Rx stimulants. I don't even think they're considered a part of the pathway to harder drugs. It's harmless fun and also lets kids think they have a chance if they stay up for an all nighter studying on ritalin. (they dont)
 
2012-06-10 05:29:04 PM
*NEWSFLASH* Med students have been using these since at least the late 90's if not earlier. The equivalent of anabolic steroids for physical performance, really. Many an MCAT would not have been passed if not for these.
 
2012-06-10 05:29:45 PM
FTFA - re: Concerta "Very difficult to crush into powder and snort, so it is popular among psychiatrists concerned a patient might abuse or sell it. It can provide a short-term boost and last up to 16 hours - drastically affecting sleep. No generic is available, so it can be more expensive."

When did they write this? My son takes generic Concerta, and it's covered by Medicaid so it can't be incredibly expensive if it were they wouldn't cover it.
 
2012-06-10 05:29:50 PM
so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.
 
2012-06-10 05:30:40 PM
It's news to me that high school kids are doing this. However, I can tell you that these drugs are heavily used by students at just about every University of California campus for studying purposes (can't confirm UC Merced, wtf lives in Merced?)

/tried it once well in advance of exam to test its effects
//didn't have desired effect on me
 
2012-06-10 05:31:04 PM
The hell, man? Whatever happened to a couple of No-Doz and a can of Jolt?
 
2012-06-10 05:31:10 PM

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


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2012-06-10 05:31:55 PM

Unimpressed Man: //didn't have desired effect on me


with a username like that? shocking.
 
2012-06-10 05:32:30 PM

Bob Dolemite: so high school is causing the shortage?

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.


That's the question I was going to bring up. We vilify professional athletes who use performance enhancing drugs, but the same thing is okay for the spelling test tomorrow?
 
2012-06-10 05:33:04 PM

Bob Dolemite:

truth be told, the reality is that using these drugs is like cheating. this is no different than HGH in baseball, etc.


Our society values the behaviors that the drugs promote. If our society wasn't so hypocritical, it wouldn't be controlled at all. HGH is much worse for the body (since it's an actual hormone that will confuse the endocrine system). Stims are probably worse for the mind, but mental health isn't as high a priority as, say grades.
 
2012-06-10 05:33:28 PM
Adderall is to college libraries what cigarettes are to prison
 
2012-06-10 05:34:56 PM
I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.
 
2012-06-10 05:35:21 PM
The problem is that the *government* (shocker) limits the total amount of the ADHD/narcolepsy/other speed-like substances that can be produced in total. The companies that make them benifit most from making the name brands, so those get made. If there wasn't a government quote, there wouldn't be any shortage.
 
2012-06-10 05:36:05 PM

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


Once. Only effect I could really put my finger on was the fact that I'd forget the point of a sentence half-way through it, so I started saying stuff like "You know, I was thinking... um... never mind."
 
2012-06-10 05:36:34 PM
I keep reading online that there is a shortage of Adderall & Ritalin. Nonsense, I can get them whenever I want.


Since we're on the topic of medication, you guys think they sell anything at the pharmacy that will get rid of breasts on a guy's leg? Damn things started growing not long after I started hearing about these shortages.
 
2012-06-10 05:36:38 PM
I never went this route, but I knew many people at GT that studied dozens of hours in dead week just to guarantee a good grade on the final.

A freshman year roommate took a couple pills and read a Linear Algebra book the night before the Calc 2/LA final. Had not been to a class in 2.5 months and aced the final.

About the long term effects...I dunno. He went nuts in college and became a pothead and borderline alcoholic, but he graduated in a reasonable amount of time and got a good job. Then he quit the job to follow the Ron Paul campaign around. Make of that what you will.
 
2012-06-10 05:37:44 PM
This is nothing new. My first roommate in college sold pot out of our dorm room. At midterms and finals he'd sell adderall and ritalin. They'd grind up the ritalin and snort it like cocaine.

/He really never made a profit because he sold everything at cost...
//Yeah, he wasn't exactly the brightest bulb...
 
2012-06-10 05:37:48 PM
I knew a couple kids in high school that sold their Adderall rather than take it.
 
2012-06-10 05:40:30 PM
So are they going to institute drug testing prior to taking the SAT/ACT or college finals? If they fail the pee test, do they get an * by their score or grade?
 
2012-06-10 05:40:39 PM

morgantx: I honestly have to wonder what kind of a society we're creating when children are feeling such an intense need to be perfect that they're taking drugs to STUDY.


It's nothing new, it's just that prescription drugs are seen as safer and legaler than the meth and coke kids were using back when I was in college in the 80's. The number of people in a 1985 UCLA finals exam with jumpy legs and twitchy fingers is probably not higher today; just that nobody is worried because nobody ever died from taking Adderall. Yet. That I know of.
 
2012-06-10 05:41:22 PM
Focalin? Really? A lot Simpsons fans in big pharma?
 
2012-06-10 05:41:59 PM

Outlaw Thirds: Our society values the behaviors that the drugs promote. If our society wasn't so hypocritical, it wouldn't be controlled at all. HGH is much worse for the body (since it's an actual hormone that will confuse the endocrine system). Stims are probably worse for the mind, but mental health isn't as high a priority as, say grades.


which is why, fark society.

people in large groups are farking morons. i can't count how many times i've had conversations with people who absolve themselves through "the other guy". grow a pair, own up. society shouldn't even come into anyone's thinking pattern or decision making processes.
 
2012-06-10 05:45:06 PM

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.
 
2012-06-10 05:46:32 PM
Ah, what a Brave New World.

also, you can pick out the dopers who use that shiat just like any other user of anything out there.

/no thanks to long term personality-altering drugs kthx
 
2012-06-10 05:51:06 PM
Shocking. (Not really.)

I tried Ritalin once. It was prescribed, and I used it as prescribed. Gave me migraines and jitters, which was counterproductive at best. I'd hate to think about what snorting that, or any of the mentioned stimulants, would do.

/Sticking with caffeine
 
2012-06-10 05:54:07 PM

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


A fun class of drugs. I use halcyon for my severe insomnia, this is a drug I make sure to get filled early. The withdrawal is that I won't sleep for days.

My advice with any of these, get one of those daily pill counter containers. At least for me I have trouble remembering if I took one, as a side effect of taking one.
 
2012-06-10 05:54:35 PM
There is no shortage, there is a jump in overprescribing for kids and a new indication of adult ADD as well as widespread abuse
 
2012-06-10 05:55:00 PM

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


It's not that addictive if you take it as directed at a modest dose. The problem is that it stops working really well over time when you do that. The key step is to not "take more to keep it working". If it's not working, use something else (not a different benzo) for a few weeks. People get addicted when they go from .25mg to .5 to 1 then start taking 1mg three at a time. If you use it properly (occasionally/few times a week) and don't double, or octuple, doses, you should be fine. The thing is, though, that the same people who have the serious anxiety are the ones that are prone to try to get higher doses and take it too often. Overall, it's great for what it's supposed to do, but it'll mess you up if you don't control it. Also, there are -some- doctors who prescribe it at medium-high doses for every day use. I feel that that's dangerous given the population you're dealing with.
 
2012-06-10 05:56:44 PM
This stuff is what I am sticking with. Works well, but expensive. We get an unlimited supply of the best stuff at work plus all the fruit we want to eat.

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//Unfortunately, I need to go potty more often.
 
2012-06-10 05:57:46 PM
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It's all because this generation is too young to have seen this very special episode of Family Ties.

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Or this very special episode of Saved By The Bell.

Because the pharmas would sue the TV studio for slander.

/imma so excited!
 
2012-06-10 05:58:15 PM
I had a roommate who was pre-med. She intentionally 'faked' ADD symptoms to her aunt (a doctor) who then prescribed her Adderall. She'd take it while drinking five red bulls a day to study for hours. She literally, at the worst, slept maybe two hours a night for three weeks.

Anyway, she became completely suicidal toward the middle of the year. Her aunt prescribed her antidepressants and told her to go off the Adderall. In the end, she went off the antidepressants because she couldn't function with the Adderall. She's still a mess.
 
2012-06-10 05:59:55 PM

Harry_Seldon: titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?

Highly addictive...To be avoided. Doctor will eventually tell you he will quit prescribing to you after making you an addict. It will also be your fault for being weak, and becoming dependent.


Brain zaps.
 
2012-06-10 06:00:46 PM

dmars: PonceAlyosha: Yeah, no shiat. We should regulate these harder than we regulate marijuana and alcohol due to the long term effects they have on young people's brains and behavior.

Source Please. I am 29 and know plenty of people, including myself, who engaged in this behavior while we were teenagers and through college. The majority of us are well adjusted, responsible adults.

Should be easier to get in my opinion that doesn't count for anything.


Everyone handles brain drugs differently. They're some of the most dangerous stuff out there for *some* people.
 
2012-06-10 06:01:00 PM

Jixa: FTFA - re: Concerta "Very difficult to crush into powder and snort, so it is popular among psychiatrists concerned a patient might abuse or sell it. It can provide a short-term boost and last up to 16 hours - drastically affecting sleep. No generic is available, so it can be more expensive."

When did they write this? My son takes generic Concerta, and it's covered by Medicaid so it can't be incredibly expensive if it were they wouldn't cover it.


drew is pedal: That article is wrong, there is a generic available for Concerta, its Methylphenidate ER. The funny thing is that it is the exact same pill as Brand name, because of some lawsuit the manufacturer is forced to sell the stuff as a generic. I used to pay $45 for brand name and under the generic it only costs me $10 :)


These. I got confused when the pharmacy started charging me generic prices for tablets I got that are identical to the ones I got the month before. I had to ask about it.
 
2012-06-10 06:01:05 PM

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


What was it prescribed for? Other than occasional panic attacks or as a short term aid to sleep or anxiety, nothing good comes of it, long term. I weaned my mother off it (took it for nerves and to help her sleep) and now she says she's thinking more clearly and actually sleeping better. She's also exercising more and taking nightly melatonin to help fall asleep, but it at least proves she didn't need it in the first place.

The problem is you eventually develop a tolerance for it and don't get the same effect with your initial dose that you first got from it. Eventually, you're just taking something that doesn't have that much of a pharmacologic effect, but still some of the side effects. Like I said, as a short term med to help you through a time limited difficulty, our as an occasional aid for panic attacks (situations where we wouldn't expect tolerance to build up) it's a fine drug.
 
2012-06-10 06:01:53 PM
do what i did and get drunk and throw Xanax bars all around the apartment. then you know theres always some in the carpet!!!
 
2012-06-10 06:02:50 PM

Bob Dolemite: Unimpressed Man: //didn't have desired effect on me

with a username like that? shocking.


I know right, because usernames are a huge indicator of just about anything about a poster.

For instance, I know that Mitchell and White framed you, and you never really stole those coats.
 
2012-06-10 06:03:05 PM

titwrench: I was recently prescribed Xanax. I don't want to take it anyone have any experiences with it?


How much per day? That's important.

I found it worked very well for me (anxiety). It didn't cure it (don't expect any brain drug to cure anything). No side effects, and I didn't have tolerance issues where I needed to up my relatively minor dosage.

It "just worked" so to speak.

I also know people who take a lot of it to get high or whatever. Its stupid, but it didn't turn them into a looney or anything. Again, it "just worked" for their stupid habit.
 
2012-06-10 06:03:36 PM
That day can't come soon enough where you will be required to pee in a cup to even enter the testing hall, and then to be able to leave...After all, a stupid kid taking smart drugs to pass a test is still going to be stupid in college and beyond.

Cheating is cheating, no matter which way you slice it
 
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