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(Huffington Post)   Former GOP senator Alan Simpson sends an angry, hate-fueled letter to the Huffington Post complaining about "bullshiat and mush" in today's political spectrum, then goes on about yelling at clouds   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 13
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2012-06-10 04:25:21 PM  
7 votes:
Here's the bare bones of the plan:

1.$200 billion reduction in discretionary spending[13] with proposed cuts including reducing defense procurement by 15% and closing one third of overseas bases, eliminating earmarks, and cutting the federal work force by 10%.

2.$100 billion in increased tax revenues through various tax reform proposals,[13] such as introducing a 15 cent per gallon gasoline tax and eliminating or restricting a variety of tax deductions such as the home mortgage interest deduction and the deduction for employer-provided healthcare benefits.

3.Controlling health care costs by maintaining the Medicare cost controls associated with the recent health care reform legislation,[13] in addition to considering a public option and a further increase in the authority of Independent Payment Advisory Board.

4.A reduction in entitlements, including farm subsidies, civilian and military federal pensions and student loan subsidies.[13][14]

5.Modifications to the Social Security program to raise the payroll tax and the retirement age.[13]
The co-chairs also recommended some measures they felt would stimulate economic growth, such as a cut in the corporate tax rate from 35% to a more internationally competitive 26%


So in short, we cut from discretionary spending (which helps actual people so it must be evil), jack up costs on middle class individuals by taking away their mortgage deduction and further shift health care costs onto them by taking away their employers ability to deduct those costs. Hey, let's make gas more expensive too - that won't hurt the working class. And a 10% haircut on federal jobs? Why not!! - We've already lost over 600,000 federal jobs due to the economic downturn so what's the difference at this point?

Then we dramatically lower income taxes in order to be "competitive" and nary a word is uttered about raising the capital gains taxes (that darn competitive disatvantage again).

Thankfully the plan will consider implementing the public option that the private healtcare industry spent tens of millions of dollars demonizing two years ago, so there's that.

As a closer, we'll raise the Social Security eligibily age again even though there's a goddamn front page story on yesterday's goddamn NY Times about how older people are having to start their SS payments way earier than they ever planned because of the bad economy. Forced to Early Social Security, Unemployed Pay a Steep Price

This is the so called serious option that all the adults in the room just need to accept as the only viable path forward.

It's a Republican wet dream and a nightmare for working people. Meanwhile the five year cost of borrowing just bottomed out again and we could be rebuilding the entire goddamn Country on the cheap, but all you hear about is debt, debt, debt.

People really do get the government they deserve.
2012-06-10 05:27:15 PM  
2 votes:

OneBrightMonkey: Here's the bare bones of the plan:


Opiate of the Lasses: Quoted so people read this again.


I generally assume that Republicans aren't actually evil - just completely out of touch with 99% of Americans, and unaware of the significant ancillary damage that their "good ideas" will cause. But then I remember proposals like this, which are intentionally designed to push the 99% even further into oblivion while leaving the 1% essentially unscathed (other than a 15% loss to defense contractor CEOs).

These people genuinely want to see a return to feudalism. And they keep getting votes.
2012-06-10 01:49:19 PM  
2 votes:
Subby's a dumbass.

Simpson is spot on and has a history of being bipartisan on a variety of controversial issues.

I'm still waiting for either Obama or Romney to play the SB card and commit to implementing it (or a version of it) upon being elected to POTUS. I believe that would be very well received by both parties and independents.

might even pick up a farklib or two.
2012-06-10 01:41:23 PM  
2 votes:
Alan Simpson is the dumbass? Yeah, ok. Sure. He and Bowles tried to come up with something that was financially realistic. They were ignored, as can be expected. No, his ideas are not 100% correct, but he's a man that you can bargain reasonably and honestly with.

Guess we don't do that anymore.
2012-06-10 10:56:52 PM  
1 votes:

OneBrightMonkey: Here's the bare bones of the plan:

So in short, we cut from discretionary spending (which helps actual people so it must be evil), jack up costs on middle class individuals by taking away their mortgage deduction and further shift health care costs onto them by taking away their employers ability to deduct those costs. Hey, let's make gas more expensive too - that won't hurt the working class. And a 10% haircut on federal jobs? Why not!! - We've already lost over 600,000 federal jobs due to the economic downturn so what's the difference at this point?

Then we dramatically lower income taxes in order to be "competitive" and nary a word is uttered about raising the capital gains taxes (that darn competitive disatvantage again).

Thankfully the plan will consider implementing the public ...


Dear OneBrightMonkey-
You are either being deceptive or have poor logic skills.

You only mention deductions that are typical of the middle class as if those are the only ones proposed for elimination. But the truth is, all deductions would be eliminated.. and there are many that are only available to the very rich. Then, you only mention that the rates on the rich and corporations are being cut. But almost every marginal rate would be cut. For instance, the lowest marginal rate, the one the poor pay, goes from 10% down to 8%.

Also, capital gains would be taxed as ordinary income under Simpson-Bowles. That move mostly causes the very wealthy to pay more.

Alan Simpson doesn't fit into the box you're trying to put him in.
2012-06-10 07:05:12 PM  
1 votes:
And your accusations of 'bigotry' on my part are nothing more than pure McCarthyism.

I have to agree with him here. I thought his/Bowles's proposals were reasonable, and more often than not I find myself agreeing with Simpson. And I hate Republicans, for the most part. Maybe I get along with him because he's from my neck of the woods.

Anyway, he's a Republican I might actually vote for if he weren't retired. A dying breed, sadly.

/It's a big woods out here. With a huge neck.
2012-06-10 06:30:30 PM  
1 votes:
The so-called Bi-Partisan commission included Republicans to the right of Attila the Hun, and Blue Dogs like Bowles, Conrad, Baucus and Spratt. The only people who could be called liberal on the commission were Alice Rivlin, Andy Stern, Xavier Becerra, Jan Schakowsky and Dick Durbin - 5 of the 18.

If you want to put numbers of how skewed this was, here's some hint - for each politician, the PVI of the constituency they represented:
Republicans:
Alan Simpson (WY) R+20
Rep. Paul Ryan (WI-1): R+2
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (TX-5) R+17
Rep. Dave Camp (MI-4) R+3
Sen. Judd Gregg (NH) D+2
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK) R+17
Sen. Mike Crapo (ID) R+17

Democrats:
Erskine Bowles (NC) R+4
Rep. John Spratt (SC-5) R+7
Rep. Xavier Becerra (CA-31) D+29
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (IL-9) D+20
Sen. Richard Durbin (IL) D+8
Sen. Max Baucus (MT) R+7
Sen. Kent Conrad (ND) R+10

Notice a pattern? All Republicans except for Gregg represent Republican constituencies. The Dems? Some represent places more conservative than places the GOP represents. Is it any surprise they produced what OneBrightMonkey has summarized?

I am a Obama supporter, but all I can say is, "the table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice."

The only difference between having Obama and Romney is if you get lubed before you get farked.
2012-06-10 06:08:59 PM  
1 votes:

OneBrightMonkey: It's a Republican wet dream and a nightmare for working people. Meanwhile the five year cost of borrowing just bottomed out again and we could be rebuilding the entire goddamn Country on the cheap, but all you hear about is debt, debt, debt.


I think its useful to remember that the "Simpson Bowles" plan never passed the committee vote. Basically this is just a plan by two guys. I didn't read the article - why should I care what Alan Simpson has to say about anything? He's the guy that called senior citizens dependent on social security "greedy geezers", and called social security "a milk cow with 310 million tits!" I already know where he stands on things.

At the time that the report first came out I saw a panel discussion on CSPAN with some members of the committee. When asked why they never reached a consenus they explained that anytime someone put forward a proposal to increase revenues (Tax increases) the Republicans were unanimous against it. Any proposal that cut spending was then taken as an opportunity to introduce offsetting tax cuts of the same amount, basically resulting in no change in terms of reducing deficits and overall debt. They overall tax reform plan was basically a way to try to make some small revenue increase palatable by eliminating loopholes but had to be sold by reducing rates across the board, reducing the effect of eliminating exemptions and loopholes. So we have to demand Americans work into their seventies, cut medicare and college loans, etc. They never even considered the proposed tax on the financial industry recommended by the IMF or a tax on speculative activity, which Morgan Stanley board member Bowles would see hurt his day job.
2012-06-10 05:59:32 PM  
1 votes:

OneBrightMonkey: Here's the bare bones of the plan:

1.$200 billion reduction in discretionary spending[13] with proposed cuts including reducing defense procurement by 15% and closing one third of overseas bases, eliminating earmarks, and cutting the federal work force by 10%.

2.$100 billion in increased tax revenues through various tax reform proposals,[13] such as introducing a 15 cent per gallon gasoline tax and eliminating or restricting a variety of tax deductions such as the home mortgage interest deduction and the deduction for employer-provided healthcare benefits.

3.Controlling health care costs by maintaining the Medicare cost controls associated with the recent health care reform legislation,[13] in addition to considering a public option and a further increase in the authority of Independent Payment Advisory Board.

4.A reduction in entitlements, including farm subsidies, civilian and military federal pensions and student loan subsidies.[13][14]

5.Modifications to the Social Security program to raise the payroll tax and the retirement age.[13]
The co-chairs also recommended some measures they felt would stimulate economic growth, such as a cut in the corporate tax rate from 35% to a more internationally competitive 26%

So in short, we cut from discretionary spending (which helps actual people so it must be evil), jack up costs on middle class individuals by taking away their mortgage deduction and further shift health care costs onto them by taking away their employers ability to deduct those costs. Hey, let's make gas more expensive too - that won't hurt the working class. And a 10% haircut on federal jobs? Why not!! - We've already lost over 600,000 federal jobs due to the economic downturn so what's the difference at this point?

Then we dramatically lower income taxes in order to be "competitive" and nary a word is uttered about raising the capital gains taxes (that darn competitive disatvantage again).

Thankfully the plan will consider implementing the public option that the private healtcare industry spent tens of millions of dollars demonizing two years ago, so there's that.

As a closer, we'll raise the Social Security eligibily age again even though there's a goddamn front page story on yesterday's goddamn NY Times about how older people are having to start their SS payments way earier than they ever planned because of the bad economy. Forced to Early Social Security, Unemployed Pay a Steep Price

This is the so called serious option that all the adults in the room just need to accept as the only viable path forward.

It's a Republican wet dream and a nightmare for working people. Meanwhile the five year cost of borrowing just bottomed out again and we could be rebuilding the entire goddamn Country on the cheap, but all you hear about is debt, debt, debt.

People really do get the government they deserve.


This.
2012-06-10 05:43:44 PM  
1 votes:
What a dumbass.
2012-06-10 05:09:03 PM  
1 votes:

OneBrightMonkey: Here's the bare bones of the plan:

1.$200 billion reduction in discretionary spending[13] with proposed cuts including reducing defense procurement by 15% and closing one third of overseas bases, eliminating earmarks, and cutting the federal work force by 10%.

2.$100 billion in increased tax revenues through various tax reform proposals,[13] such as introducing a 15 cent per gallon gasoline tax and eliminating or restricting a variety of tax deductions such as the home mortgage interest deduction and the deduction for employer-provided healthcare benefits.

3.Controlling health care costs by maintaining the Medicare cost controls associated with the recent health care reform legislation,[13] in addition to considering a public option and a further increase in the authority of Independent Payment Advisory Board.

4.A reduction in entitlements, including farm subsidies, civilian and military federal pensions and student loan subsidies.[13][14]

5.Modifications to the Social Security program to raise the payroll tax and the retirement age.[13]
The co-chairs also recommended some measures they felt would stimulate economic growth, such as a cut in the corporate tax rate from 35% to a more internationally competitive 26%

So in short, we cut from discretionary spending (which helps actual people so it must be evil), jack up costs on middle class individuals by taking away their mortgage deduction and further shift health care costs onto them by taking away their employers ability to deduct those costs. Hey, let's make gas more expensive too - that won't hurt the working class. And a 10% haircut on federal jobs? Why not!! - We've already lost over 600,000 federal jobs due to the economic downturn so what's the difference at this point?

Then we dramatically lower income taxes in order to be "competitive" and nary a word is uttered about raising the capital gains taxes (that darn competitive disatvantage again).

Thankfully the plan will consider implementing the public ...


Quoted so people read this again.
2012-06-10 04:01:20 PM  
1 votes:

PonceAlyosha: PonceAlyosha: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Subby's a dumbass.

Simpson is spot on and has a history of being bipartisan on a variety of controversial issues.

I'm still waiting for either Obama or Romney to play the SB card and commit to implementing it (or a version of it) upon being elected to POTUS. I believe that would be very well received by both parties and independents.

might even pick up a farklib or two.

Except this letter, where he says both sides are bad and they should've quote him on Norquist.

*shouldn't have


He didn't say they shouldn't quote him, just that they shouldn't turn a blind eye to problems in their own ranks while happily quoting the few people in the opposition that are brave enough stand up to it.
2012-06-10 03:58:28 PM  
1 votes:
Subby, did you link to the wrong page? The letter I read seemed pretty reasonable, if crotchety.
 
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