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(C|Net)   UN planning to impose Internet taxes; up for debate in December   (news.cnet.com) divider line 40
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2012-06-10 09:08:35 AM  
Google and Apple should just shut off their service to these countries for one day. I think that would solve the problem.
 
2012-06-10 09:28:07 AM  
As long as the US can tax all the spam traffic coming from overseas.
 
2012-06-10 09:48:10 AM  
It's nice to know that private business interests take precedence over freedom of the press and speech in nations that otherwise have none of it.

As long as an Italian phone company gets their cash, the middle east can get farked.
 
2012-06-10 09:48:41 AM  
Good luck with that.
 
2012-06-10 09:52:51 AM  
And if they refuse, what will happen?
"Don't refuse or we'll ask you again!"
 
2012-06-10 09:55:15 AM  
Good luck with that. Neeeever gonna happen.
 
2012-06-10 09:58:18 AM  

Rockstone: And if they refuse, what will happen?
"Don't refuse or we'll ask you again!"


This.

"The UN could tax--"

No, no they can't.
 
2012-06-10 09:59:10 AM  
I like how this is framed as if the UN would be imposing the tax and collecting the revenue.
 
2012-06-10 10:06:04 AM  

Rockstone: And if they refuse, what will happen?
"Don't refuse or we'll ask you again!"


Surely a sternly worded letter would follow
 
2012-06-10 10:07:10 AM  
Given the climate in the US, could this be the end of the internet? No,not all. But it might be the end of the UN
 
2012-06-10 10:12:52 AM  
Fark the U.N. and everyone of its corrupt officials - especially UNICEF.
 
2012-06-10 10:13:13 AM  

edmo: Given the climate in the US, could this be the end of the internet? No,not all. But it might be the end of the UN


My first thought was that there could be a big surge in membership for the John Birch Society
 
2012-06-10 10:20:56 AM  
The UN can't tax but the ITU rules are covered in lots of treaties. If they change the rules, most countries are obligated to deal with the new payment structure.

Of course the solution for this is for Google to start running adds in the countries with every request.
 
2012-06-10 10:23:09 AM  
How about we send the UN a sternly worded letter informing them to STFU and GTFO.

I also found it interesting from the article that "the Obama administration and Republican members of congress" were against this but, I didn't see any Democrats mentioned. Why?
 
2012-06-10 10:53:57 AM  
How about the US impose a tax on data flowing in and out of the UN offices in NYC? Perhaps a thousand dollars a packet...
 
2012-06-10 11:08:45 AM  
You citizes of the world liberals should be happy.
 
2012-06-10 11:17:54 AM  
Have we figured out yet that the primary purpose of the UN is, and has been since its creation, to screw over the United States as much as possible?

Can we please withdraw ourselves from this useless organization of despots and dictators?
 
2012-06-10 11:49:37 AM  

Nemo's Brother: You citizes of the world liberals should be happy.


As should your English teacher.
 
2012-06-10 11:54:07 AM  

Catsaregreen: Fark the U.N. and everyone of its corrupt officials - especially UNICEF.


What do you have against the United NEgro CollegE Fund? I would argue that it's the UN's most successful program.
 
2012-06-10 12:04:27 PM  
Of course, it'll be titled "The Freedom of Ones and Zeros Act"
 
2012-06-10 12:16:08 PM  

vygramul: I like how this is framed as if the UN would be imposing the tax and collecting the revenue.


I like that subby found the pitch that sends Freepers into a frothing derp spasm.
 
2012-06-10 12:46:20 PM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Catsaregreen: Fark the U.N. and everyone of its corrupt officials - especially UNICEF.

What do you have against the United NEgro CollegE Fund? I would argue that it's the UN's most successful program.



Not sure if serious...
 
2012-06-10 12:54:33 PM  
Sounds like they are just pissy American companies dominate the internet.
 
2012-06-10 01:02:41 PM  
Does that mean Google receives money for all the data it collects from unsecured WiFi networks in Europe?
 
2012-06-10 01:16:49 PM  
My solution: Preemptively pass a law imposing a tariff on imported goods from any country which imposes a tax on traffic from any US server. Make the tariff raise 200% of the total they charge US companies, and then give half to the effected companies and keep the other half as revenue. See who wants to sign on the the ITU treaty then! If Europe wants to threaten millions of US tech jobs they better believe they will be on the receiving end of one hell of a trade war, what politician wants to support loosing so many jobs?
 
2012-06-10 02:12:39 PM  
This would essentially be a data tariff, and even if they were crazy enough to impose it, Google et al would be free to refuse to pay and let the destination countries shut off their users from access. I doubt that would go over well in those nations.
 
2012-06-10 03:52:01 PM  

steamingpile: Sounds like they are just pissy American companies dominate the internet.


I'm pissy about the heavy trucks that drive past my house.
...But since I don't own the road, the people that maintain it would probably frown if I setup a toll booth.

The UN does exactly jack squat to help expand or maintain the internet. Most of its members are busy trying to regulate or censure the shiat out of it so their underclasses never get full access to the worlds most popular communication system.
Trying to enforce a tax is a move to make it too expensive for continued expansion into all areas of the globe.

They have no moral authority to collect money on other peoples hard work. We should protest them by creating an information dead zone around the UN and its members headquarters inside the US.
A few days of having to use telegraphs to call home should help them see the light.
 
2012-06-10 03:54:33 PM  
steamingpile

Sounds like they are just pissy American companies dominate the internet.

images.plus613.net

/they can build their own internet if they don't like ours.
 
2012-06-10 04:01:29 PM  
How are they going to enforce it? Oh yea, they can't.
 
2012-06-10 05:00:43 PM  

studebaker hoch: steamingpile

Sounds like they are just pissy American companies dominate the internet.

[images.plus613.net image 323x359]

/they can build their own internet if they don't like ours.


Pretty much, seeing as they owe only THE ENTIRE EXISTENCE OF THE INTERNET to us.

We should give the rest of the world 24 hours without the Internet. No American company should accept incoming connections from overseas IP addresses.
 
2012-06-10 07:10:12 PM  
This seems vaguely familiar, as if it hasn't actually been proposed before.
 
2012-06-10 07:19:29 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

Please good sir, if you just send me some taxes now, I can pay you back 10-fold from our royal coffers later.
 
2012-06-10 07:54:03 PM  
If you are dumb and ignorant enough to believe that the UN can "impose a tax," then you are too f'ing stupid to be allowed in public without a minder.
 
2012-06-10 08:22:50 PM  

bronyaur1: If you are dumb and ignorant enough to believe that the UN can "impose a tax," then you are too f'ing stupid to be allowed in public without a minder.


True. Although if the wacky series of events required to enforce their little Google tax came to pass, turning the damn thing off would fix the issue.
 
2012-06-11 08:43:09 AM  

the_celt: How about we send the UN a sternly worded letter informing them to STFU and GTFO.

I also found it interesting from the article that "the Obama administration and Republican members of congress" were against this but, I didn't see any Democrats mentioned. Why?


As soon as the republicans find out Obama agrees with them, they will change their position and be for this tax.
 
2012-06-11 10:29:57 AM  

studebaker hoch: steamingpile

Sounds like they are just pissy American companies dominate the internet.

[images.plus613.net image 323x359]

/they can build their own internet if they don't like ours.


This.

Listen... world... we gave you this thing for free. No strings attached. Hell, some of you even use this marvelous resource as a means to communicate on how to attack us. That being said, it's ours. The UN has no right to the Internet. None. The Internet is the thing it is today because of the fact that the US government has done almost nothing to regulate it. No other country (besides maybe Canada) could hold the values necessary to keep the Internet the way it needs to be. If you want to make your own standards of how to have computers communicate, be our guest. Stop trying to steal our ideas. You can't call us a bunch of arrogant imperialists one day and then claim our work as your own the next.
 
2012-06-11 10:50:13 AM  

the_celt: How about we send the UN a sternly worded letter informing them to STFU and GTFO.

I also found it interesting from the article that "the Obama administration and Republican members of congress" were against this but, I didn't see any Democrats mentioned. Why?


The Democrats haven't formed their position yet. This taxes things we don't think should be taxed, but yet it is a tax, and taxes are good. But free speech is good...but taxes are good. So this can't go untaxed or rich people will hog it all up or put it under their mattresses or something or another. Taxes are good. Untaxed!!! This is tough stuff here. Just wait till we get to "regulated"...
 
2012-06-11 11:01:52 PM  
Problem: Something great is working just fine.
Solution: Let's fark it up!
 
2012-06-13 12:31:28 AM  

Isildur: Problem: Something great is working just fine.
Solution: Let's fark it up!


The only thing dumber than a Democrat or a Republican is when those pricks work together. You see, in our two-party system, the Democrats are the party of no ideas and the Republicans are the party of bad ideas. It usually goes something like this. A Republican will stand up in Congress and say, "I've got a really bad idea." And a Democrat will immediately jump to his feet and declare, "And I can make it shiattier." --Lewis Black

Obamacare was a Republican idea.
Cap and Trade was a Republican idea.
 
2012-06-13 03:37:11 AM  

vygramul: Isildur: Problem: Something great is working just fine.
Solution: Let's fark it up!

The only thing dumber than a Democrat or a Republican is when those pricks work together. You see, in our two-party system, the Democrats are the party of no ideas and the Republicans are the party of bad ideas. It usually goes something like this. A Republican will stand up in Congress and say, "I've got a really bad idea." And a Democrat will immediately jump to his feet and declare, "And I can make it shiattier." --Lewis Black

Obamacare was a Republican idea.
Cap and Trade was a Republican idea.



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