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(Orlando Sentinel)   The Secret Service has a few words with Obama-hating pastor. One of those words might've been 'Gitmo'   (articles.orlandosentinel.com) divider line 85
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2012-06-10 12:52:43 PM  
7 votes:
The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.
2012-06-10 03:08:15 PM  
5 votes:

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


And then the Civil Rights movement happened, the Republicans did the math and realized they could win national elections without a single black vote so long as they won the South and the Southern Strategy of specifically pandering to racists was born. After that, the segregationists all left the Democratic party and became Republican and the South has been red ever since. But don't let the facts stop you from spreading a blitheringly ignorant twisting of history.
2012-06-10 12:55:00 PM  
5 votes:
Jones has blood on his hands after his Quran burning stunt. Some Christian he.
2012-06-10 12:51:12 PM  
4 votes:
If you're holding back hiring due to the current administration or their policies, thus causing the country to suffer, Gitmo might be a good place for you to reflect on your wrongdoing.
2012-06-10 05:38:01 PM  
3 votes:

thamike: machoprogrammer: thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?

Did you forget all the effigys back when Bush was president during the anti-war protesting?

No. Doesn't really answer my question though.


I can tell you.

1. Anyone who seriously--read: seriously--threatens the life of the President gets a courtesy call from the Secret Service.
2. A public parade hanging the President in effigy isn't a serious threat to his life.
3. This particular person has already come under scrutiny because of his Koran-burning activities AND his stated overt hatred of certain ethnic/religious groups. This pastor was the one who said he didn't care about his Koran burning potentially causing American deaths overseas, IIRC.
4. Because of US history, the hanging of a black man in effigy is potentially more serious than the hanging of a white man in effigy in certain areas of the country.

Put these all together, and you'll see that chances are if Cletus A. Douchebag hung Obama in effigy in his backyard, and even posted it on Facebook, the Secret Service wouldn't care much. A parade down Main Street hanging Obama in effigy, same thing. It might get some cursory attention, but the threat assessment team wouldn't think it was too high risk.

However, THIS man already has shown he is overtly violent and doesn't care about any repercussions of his actions. Therefore, his hanging the President in effigy is going to require a closer inspection than old Cletus's backyard display. There were investigations of threats against Bush's life, but because of the political tenor of the time, you didn't hear about it as much.
2012-06-10 03:38:46 PM  
3 votes:

thamike: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.

Why is "church" in sarcastiquotes?


Because it's more of a base of operations for domestic terrorism than a house of worship.
2012-06-10 03:12:27 PM  
3 votes:

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Saying the KKK was started by "the democrats" is like saying that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by "the christians." Because, you know, Timothy McVeigh was a christian.
2012-06-10 02:53:02 PM  
3 votes:

angryjd: FTA:
Jones, who garnered infamy after burning copies of the Quran, said he anticipated the reaction and didn't mind answering questions about his mental state or possible ties to radical groups that may want to harm the President.

I don't think he ever burned a copy of the Quran. At least there is no evidence that I have seen, and I think that if one is going to pull off a publicity stunt that it least you would have sufficient evidence to ensure the stunt actually happened.


You know who actually did burn a Quran? Flip Benham of the organization formerly known as Operation Rescue. But because the media completely ignored him and his attention whoring because they stopped paying attention to him years ago, nobody ended up dead in riots in Afghanistan. I believe at the time of the Terry Jones Quran burning thing, Flip Benham even complained about how he didn't get media attention when he did it.

The moral to the story is that the media really needs to ignore attention seeking AW's like Terry Jones because he thrives on the attention. The more attention he gets, the more ridiculous he'll be.
2012-06-10 02:51:32 PM  
3 votes:

Hunter_S_Thompson: Hunter_S_Thompson: SharkTrager: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Burning politicians in effigy has been a tradition for hundreds of years. Why is it suddenly "lynching" because the President is black? Not an American President in history that wasn't burned in effigy.

Because this is FARK. More trendy white guilt around here than the Service Department at a Toyota dealership on the Saturday afternoon after a Prius recall. Nothing makes a pseudo-intellectual trendy feel better about themselves than calling another white person racist for eschewing a political belief that doesn't agree with their own. Welcome.

Damn auto correct. Not eschewing, by any means. Promoting a political belief other than their own. Not sure where that came from...


The real HST: We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world, a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us. No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you. Who does vote for these dishonest shiatheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us; they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. fark them.

If you want to be more like him, may I suggest you repeat all his greatest achievements. In reverse order.
2012-06-10 01:24:47 PM  
3 votes:

Dear Jerk: HMS_Blinkin
The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!
If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business.

Political issues are not off limits to churches, but specific candidates are. Yes, this guy is all over Obama and his church should lose tax exempt status.
Political fealty - But no will one touch it because it would be a full-on political war. If this church were outright Nazi or communist it would lose tax-exemt status.


They should have already lost their tax exempt status when they put up a "No Homo Mayor" sign to campaign against the openly gay Gainesville mayoral candidate a few years back.
2012-06-10 01:06:26 PM  
3 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.


The reason the IRS turns a blind eye to these shenanigans is because they don't want to deal with the fallout of ZOMG WAR ON RELIGION!!! CHRISTIANS BEING PERSECUTED!!!!1! stories running nonstop on Fox News (which they'd run because f*ck Obama) and all other for-profit 24-Hour news channels (which they'd run because they don't want to be accused by Fox News of having a liberal bias).

The IRS would end up being forced to cancel the investigation AND throw someone under the bus in order to save face. The person who falls on his or her sword would either be a minority or a woman, or both, but definitely not a white male; would be some middle-management type, important enough to have contributed to the investigation but not important enough to be paid more than $60,000/yr before taxes; and would be competent enough that they would have worked for the IRS for at least another ten years without incident if not for the investigation and subsequent wharrgarbl from Fox.

By not investigating, the IRS saves itself from all this trouble -- and none of the mid-level staffers have to worry about being sacrificed to appease the teabaggers.
2012-06-10 01:05:48 PM  
3 votes:

Scaryduck: Jones has blood on his hands after his Quran burning stunt. Some Christian he.


He's probably happy about it too. He's responsible for many deaths, and I'm sure he's thrilled. What utter human filth. I'm ashamed to be the same species as him.
2012-06-10 01:04:08 PM  
3 votes:

Scaryduck: Jones has blood on his hands after his Quran burning stunt. Some Christian he.



The riots in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq killed hundreds of people. He should be indicted for incitement, have his Church removed from the IRS exemptions on taxes, and have his balls removed. This man is a complete nutcase.
2012-06-10 12:50:37 PM  
3 votes:

Di Atribe: shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 570x408]

How Christian of him. Nice touch with the rainbow flag.


For bonus points: Based on the trailer behind the display, I totally buy the story that the initial plan was to have Obama hanging Uncle Sam. Apparently, this nutjob just couldn't resist the opportunity for a lynching.
2012-06-10 12:48:20 PM  
3 votes:

shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 570x408]


How Christian of him. Nice touch with the rainbow flag.
2012-06-10 09:21:14 AM  
3 votes:
I imagine the conversation went something like this.

"Hey dude, just chill out. He'll be out of office in a few months."
2012-06-10 09:11:49 AM  
3 votes:
An attention whore with a lighter is still just an attention whore.
2012-06-11 02:40:42 PM  
2 votes:
I have a hard time understanding the level of hatred towards Obama. I don't think he's as great as many think, but dang, cut him some slack. I didn't like Bush at all and still think he was one of the worst presidents in history, but I didn't go around wishing him dead either. The president has limited power, good or bad, Obama isn't destroying the nation, we the people have been doing a grand job of that ourselves.
2012-06-11 02:15:35 AM  
2 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.

Probably because the entire right wing would be screaming about either religious persecution or the Obama campaign trying to use the federal government to silence critics.

Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


The easiest way would to enact the following reforms, so the IRS would actually have the ability to investigate and enforce tax laws re churches:

a) First off: Require SOME sort of solid proof other than "We say so" that a group registering with the IRS as a church or ministry IS a church or ministry (there is at least one dominionist lobbying group that has used the "ministry" exemption, among others). Either a copy of religious incorporation letters, some sort of proof that they are having regular services, BASIC proof this is a legitimate religious body.

b) REMOVE THE GODDAMNED FORM 990 LOOPHOLE--Require churches to follow the same rules that every other 501(c)3 nonprofit must follow, that is, require churches pulling in over a certain threshold (usually $5000 yearly if memory serves me right) to file a form 990, just the same as I'd have to do with a non-religious charity. Yes, this includes actual farking accountability for where those tithes and "love offerings" are going.

(And before anyone starts in on the "OMFG THIS WOULD BE SUCH A BURDEN ON SMALLER CHURCHES!" whinging--just like there's a 1040EZ for folks without a whole mess of investments or deductions, there is a 990EZ form that is a "short version" of the form 990 that is explicitly designed for smaller charities and can be filled out by mere mortals without the titles of "Tax Attorney" or "Tax Advisor".)

3) Remove the hobbles placed on the IRS that literally prohibit them from performing so much as an audit on a church unless the head of the IRS or a "high ranking" IRS official practically gets deluged with hard evidence (including filming of handing out of partisan voter's guides in churches with copies of the voter's guides provided) that they ARE in fact engaging in illegal electioneering to the point they cannot legally be considered a church but rather a de facto lobbying body.

The great challenge with all this: Every dominionist lobbying group in the US will fight you tooth and nail (because the "church loophole" IS increasingly used by the lobbying groups to hide where money is coming from or going to--much less the major dominionist denominations themselves who are pulling in easily hundreds of billions (with a B) of dollars of tax-exempt funds). Not only will dominionists scream bloody murder, but Scientologists will also scream bloody murder and probably get back to their Fun Hijinks against the IRS. It's even conceivable--based on past history--that Scientologists and NARasites might "make nice" with each other to Get Back at the government...

(Fun fact: Pretty much almost ALL of the IRS regs and laws essentially giving churches a de facto "get out of paying taxes FOREVER and get out of being investigated for using your church as a de facto tax shelter/money laundering front" card are, to a one, the result of Scientology pulling out literally every dirty trick in their book when the IRS threatened to yank their tax-exempt and wanted to pull an audit on the clams. At least one of these stunts, "Operation Snow White", involved Scientologists engaging in a fairly massive infiltration of the US government for the purpose of Watergate-esque destruction of records critical of not only Scientology but several other coercive groups such as the Moonies. The result of this massive tantrum/de-facto domestic espionage operation was that eventually the IRS was effectively ordered not to touch anything regarding churches and their tax-exempt status with a 40-foot barge pole--not even to have the churches prove they were churches.)
2012-06-10 04:46:02 PM  
2 votes:

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


And the income tax was initiated by Republicans, what's your point?
2012-06-10 04:18:48 PM  
2 votes:

SouthernFriedYankee: (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW)


You don't really think he's the first President to actually use a teleprompter, do you? The rest of your post was pretty good. I'd hate for it to be tainted by something silly like this.
2012-06-10 04:13:04 PM  
2 votes:
This asshat is not a conservative. He's a douchebag. Regardless of how you feel about Obama (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW), you simply do not hang black people in effigy, regardless of what "point" you think you're trying to make. You've got to be monstrously insensitive to even consider doing such a thing. The only possible message you're going to get across is "I am indifferent to the suffering of others." Of course, we're talking about the same prick who clawed his way to fame by burning Korans, thus touching off riots and getting a lot of people killed. So it's a given that cares not a whit for anyone who isn't exactly like him.

You wanna burn the president in effigy? Go for it - free speech. You wanna burn the flag? Have at it - also free speech. I don't agree with either action (mostly because it doesn't accomplish anything except pissing people off), but these are legal forms of expression, and rightly so. Is it legal to hang an effigy that looks black? It most certainly is - and it should remain so.

But good lord, don't actually farking DO IT.
2012-06-10 03:03:20 PM  
2 votes:

angryjd: angryjd: FTA:
Jones, who garnered infamy after burning copies of the Quran, said he anticipated the reaction and didn't mind answering questions about his mental state or possible ties to radical groups that may want to harm the President.

I don't think he ever burned a copy of the Quran. At least there is no evidence that I have seen, and I think that if one is going to pull off a publicity stunt that it least you would have sufficient evidence to ensure the stunt actually happened.

Ok, just saw the video. My apologies. Why was this covered like crazy when no one actually burned anything and then virtually ignored when it was?


Probably because the media saw what happened in Afghanistan when they covered it like crazy and decided it was best for the good of humanity to ignore his AW'ing ass.
2012-06-10 02:37:32 PM  
2 votes:

Hunter_S_Thompson: Nothing makes a pseudo-intellectual trendy feel better about themselves than calling another white person racist for eschewing a political belief that doesn't agree with their own. Welcome.


Oh, FFS. This wasn't burning a king in effigy. And if you wonder why people are a still a little touchy about the sight of a black man held aloft by a noose, just remember that this photo:

www.tampabay.com

isn't that old. I have no problem with this guy holding whatever political beliefs he wants, but I do have a problem with the way he expresses himself.
2012-06-10 01:51:05 PM  
2 votes:

lexnaturalis: HMS_Blinkin: Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?

Yeah. Have someone on the right propose it. Even better if it's someone from the religious right.

As a devout Christian this sort of display pisses me off, and I'd love to see "churches" like this start to pay taxes.


Easy enough, just have Obama come out in support of tax-free status for all churches forever.
2012-06-10 01:00:55 PM  
2 votes:
"they erected an effigy of President Barack Obama hanging from a noose outside their Gainesville church"

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2012-06-10 12:49:26 PM  
2 votes:

shanrick:


framing the cross in the background was a nice touch.

/When we elect the first woman president I'm sure he'll set up rape dungeons displays
2012-06-10 12:49:05 PM  
2 votes:
i512.photobucket.com
2012-06-11 11:51:40 PM  
1 votes:

peterthx:

Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.


You're not worth the spittle. I typed that one dry. And you're still a moron.
2012-06-11 09:43:40 AM  
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: Florida needs to deport this shiathead back to where he came from.


He's from Mississippi. He came to Florida by way of Germany, by way of Kentucky, with a stop in Missouri along the way. If you read his bio, his main talent seems to be selling stuff. And hate sells easily.
2012-06-11 09:37:27 AM  
1 votes:

Di Atribe: Thunderpipes: Imagine if liberals did this crap about Bush when he was in office? Wait.....

Odd no Fark outrage then.

Uh.... you didn't join fark until 2008? How would you have known about the levels of outrage before that time?


He joined in January of that year, same as I did. The election wasn't till November, which gave plenty of time to witness denigration of Bush, of which there was plenty.

The difference, I would say, is that Shrub did have most of it coming: he was a loser in many ways, and a deep embarrassment to the nation; and his sneering arrogance made him eminently punchable. Obama is 'controversial' in his willingness to defend the just-right-of-centre DNC agenda, but he's also literate and thoughtful, and considerate towards opponents if not diffident. (In many ways, what a politician should be: firm but fair. Reagan was like this, as was Clinton, which earned respect for both of them.) So the ad hominem attacks on him are easier to see as either off-target attacks on his ideas, or as highly suspect personal attacks against a man whose only clear distinction as a human being is not being entirely white. That's hard not to see as racism.
2012-06-11 09:25:59 AM  
1 votes:

One Big Ass Mistake America: What I learned from liberals.
[i.imgur.com image 600x500]
HATE CRIME


[i.imgur.com image 400x398]
FREE SPEECH


What I learned from Bible Belt 'conservatives': Hanging people for real is defending states rights and preserving decency.
2012-06-11 09:17:28 AM  
1 votes:

SouthernFriedYankee: No, but he is obviously about 25% the public speaker without it as he is with it. On his own he's all "ummm" and "errr" and so forth. This means that all of his lofty rhetoric is not really coming from his own thoughts; he just reads out loud very well. That's something to rightly criticize, IMO. (And yes, I know, Bush couldn't put two words together without tripping over his own tongue. He's another one who wasn't doing a lot of thinking for himself; still, I suspect he was doing more of that Obama is, albeit not by much.)


Maybe, but I don't think that in itself distinguishes him much from his recent colleagues in that esteemed office. The last president I can remember who seemed to speak well off the cuff was Carter. People forget it now, but at the time, Reagan was as famous for his ill-conceived off-script attempts at humour as for his masterful delivery of speeches written by brilliant writers such as William Safire. (Remember Agnew's "nattering nabobs of negativism"? That was one of Safire's. Agnew himself talked like the Baltimore thug he was.) Remember that Reagan was first and foremost a performer, here in a role where most others had not been, and that could only look good. (As Mark Russell said at the time, "He's *playing* the President.") Bush Sr. seemed to have great difficulty even *with* a script, as if speaking at all was physically painful for him. But at least he could speak in complete sentences: Had I met George Jr. in a job interview, my first instinct would likely be that I might get a tax deduction for hiring him. Clinton, like Reagan, seemed to think he was witty when he was not.

So don't give the teleprompter more credit than it deserves, and don't cut these guys more than they deserve for their less than stellar performances when they're off it. I totally agree that unclear speech *can* indicate unclear thought, but it's not so simple as that. The president has an extremely complex job, and it may be all but impossible for a thoughtful president to ever convey their real thinking in simple terms. More, be careful not to mistake simple speech for clear speech. Bush Jr., despite an uneasy relationship with the English language, did say some clear things. Some clearly stupid things. If ever there was a man in over his head, or a boy sent to do a man's job, it was him, and the way he spoke made that painfully clear.
2012-06-11 03:35:41 AM  
1 votes:

stuffy: Who would Jebuse hang?



Most of his followers
2012-06-11 12:51:18 AM  
1 votes:

harbingerofdoom: interesting.

not that im agreeing with any particular point of views here because i think both sides are idiots... but:

take a look at youtube, do a gis for bush burning effigy... tons and TONS of stuff there... seems the secret service didnt see fit to investigate those.....

and lest ye say "but a black man and a noose is different!.... thats just playing the race card. the president is the president regardless of color and the office is going to have its detractors making use of what has been seen as free political speech by nearly every administration in the modern age....

....except apparently obama that is.....
people need to stop whight nighting for the administration and realize that its just as corrupt as the previous (more so actually)


You're not very smart, are you?
2012-06-11 12:05:39 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: I guess "dragging a black man to death behind a pickup truck" is different in your mind than "hanging a black man to death from a tree." Because everything was different except a man was killed because he was black. Gotcha.


Author Harlan Ellison once interviewed a man who was on death row because he had kicked and stomped his long-abused baby daughter to death one night because she cried to much. The man felt that he should've been found innocent of murder because he had been wearing sneakers when he murdered his daughter.

The man explained that he was innocent because if he had meant to kill her, the man would've had put his boots on instead.
2012-06-10 11:44:26 PM  
1 votes:

super_grass: rewind2846: peterthx:

It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".

Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing

The last time it happened was more than half a century ago, time to move on and stop the double standards.


I guess "dragging a black man to death behind a pickup truck" is different in your mind than "hanging a black man to death from a tree." Because everything was different except a man was killed because he was black. Gotcha.
2012-06-10 11:42:31 PM  
1 votes:

wambu: The effigy did not "represent the President himself but it represented his policies

Sounds like a lawyer was involved.


I doubt it. Preachers are even better at bullshiat than lawyers.
2012-06-10 11:41:55 PM  
1 votes:
Florida needs to deport this shiathead back to where he came from. We already have plenty of nutters and he puts us way over our quota.
2012-06-10 11:30:17 PM  
1 votes:
The effigy did not "represent the President himself but it represented his policies

Sounds like a lawyer was involved.
2012-06-10 10:35:33 PM  
1 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: The Secret Service's actions just give this creep legitimacy. If anything, they should visit the "newspapers" that act as Jones' de facto PR machine.


I'm actually glad someone talked to this guy. Free speech is fine, but when you're giving signs of being a total lunatic, someone really needs to say 'hey, buddy, time to back it down here. Maybe write a book instead'.
2012-06-10 10:16:27 PM  
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: Imagine if liberals did this crap about Bush when he was in office? Wait.....

Odd no Fark outrage then.


zOMG libruls lurv the terraists and hate America! Lurv it or leave it! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
2012-06-10 10:11:53 PM  
1 votes:

One Big Ass Mistake America: What I learned from liberals.
[i.imgur.com image 600x500]
HATE CRIME


[i.imgur.com image 400x398]
FREE SPEECH


Show me where the looney pastor was arrested and then we'll talk about the "hate crime" part.
2012-06-10 08:40:57 PM  
1 votes:

peterthx: rewind2846: Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing

Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.

Advocating the death of a white guy is ok, because someone of another color was lynched in the past. I see.

/liberal logic: an oxymoron to end all oxymorons
DEEERRRRRPPPPPP


Noticing you're a racist means I'm a racist, right?
2012-06-10 08:16:12 PM  
1 votes:
I wonder how Jones would like an effigy of himself being assraped by Satan for his perversion of religeon.

"Its just free speech."
2012-06-10 06:28:58 PM  
1 votes:

peterthx:

It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".


Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing
2012-06-10 05:33:03 PM  
1 votes:

What I learned from liberals.

i.imgur.com
HATE CRIME


i.imgur.com
FREE SPEECH
2012-06-10 04:34:03 PM  
1 votes:

Phony_Soldier: Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Yes.
The views of the Democratic party are now those of the GOP and vice versa. Do you think Lincoln would be a Republican these days?
2012-06-10 04:31:12 PM  
1 votes:
That reminds me, we haven't heard much from Turd Nugent lately.
2012-06-10 04:19:05 PM  
1 votes:

SouthernFriedYankee: This asshat is not a conservative. He's a douchebag. Regardless of how you feel about Obama (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW)


You're both douchebags. Jones just does it with a wraparound mustache.
2012-06-10 04:12:59 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.

Saying the KKK was started by "the democrats" is like saying that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by "the christians." Because, you know, Timothy McVeigh was a christian.


Actually, McVeigh was multiple religions (he went from Christian, to Atheist, to Agnostic, to Christian, to Agnostic again). A better example would be Eric Rudolph.
2012-06-10 04:12:12 PM  
1 votes:
In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where the history of these legal codes has been traced, there is also a record of the change in the definition of the elements constituting sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within the study of state persecution.

The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one's state. Sedition is encouraging one's fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one's country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.

Wiki
2012-06-10 03:39:16 PM  
1 votes:

BillCo: I imagine the conversation went something like this.

"Hey dude, just chill out. He'll be out of office in a few months."


You really think they lied to the guy?
2012-06-10 03:37:39 PM  
1 votes:
Phony Soldier = Stolen Valour = Traitor
2012-06-10 03:36:35 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.


That's a little too broad. Specifically, tax-exempt organizations (which includes more than just churches) are prohibited from endorsing political candidates or (as in this case) attacking one candidate in a way that can be viewed as endorsing his/her opponent.

Tax-exempt organizations can speak out on political issues. That's free speech, not "getting into the government's business."

Terry doesn't get the distinction. Please don't share his ignorance.
2012-06-10 03:32:44 PM  
1 votes:
It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.
2012-06-10 03:15:02 PM  
1 votes:

Phony_Soldier: Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Drink!
2012-06-10 02:41:43 PM  
1 votes:

publikenemy: While I don't agree with this knuckle farker, free speech can be a biatch sometimes, but he has a right to do it, even if it's solely out of racism..he has a right to be racist too


You actually do not have the right to threaten someone's life, especially not an elected official and especially, especially you do not have the right to threaten to lynch the president of the United States.
2012-06-10 02:21:48 PM  
1 votes:
I can't imagine a more fitting symbol for the current Republican party and its religious lackeys than an image of a black guy hanging from a noose.
2012-06-10 02:15:36 PM  
1 votes:

publikenemy: While I don't agree with this knuckle farker, free speech can be a biatch sometimes, but he has a right to do it, even if it's solely out of racism..he has a right to be racist too


Of course he's got the right to do it. And we've got the right to call him a little biatch. See? Free speech.

The First Amendment protects against government oppression. He was not forced to take his display down nor was he detained. He was only questioned as to his intent.
2012-06-10 02:14:25 PM  
1 votes:

UnspokenVoice: HMS_Blinkin: Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?

No.

That was easy.

They'll turn anything into politics. That's because they're politicians. I bet you can guess of another party that would do the same thing.


So both sides are bad, huh? I bet I know which party you think I should vote for.
2012-06-10 02:12:09 PM  
1 votes:

SharkTrager: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Burning politicians in effigy has been a tradition for hundreds of years. Why is it suddenly "lynching" because the President is black? Not an American President in history that wasn't burned in effigy.


Because this is FARK. More trendy white guilt around here than the Service Department at a Toyota dealership on the Saturday afternoon after a Prius recall. Nothing makes a pseudo-intellectual trendy feel better about themselves than calling another white person racist for eschewing a political belief that doesn't agree with their own. Welcome.
2012-06-10 02:10:22 PM  
1 votes:
While I don't agree with this knuckle farker, free speech can be a biatch sometimes, but he has a right to do it, even if it's solely out of racism..he has a right to be racist too
2012-06-10 02:03:48 PM  
1 votes:

glassbottomboatcaptain: And the right wing frothing at the mouth is almost always good for the Democrats, so it's time to go ahead and start taxing them.


Risky plan
2012-06-10 02:00:50 PM  
1 votes:

qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.

Probably because the entire right wing would be screaming about either religious persecution or the Obama campaign trying to use the federal government to silence critics.


And the right wing frothing at the mouth is almost always good for the Democrats, so it's time to go ahead and start taxing them.
2012-06-10 01:45:34 PM  
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HMS_Blinkin: Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


Yeah. Have someone on the right propose it. Even better if it's someone from the religious right.

As a devout Christian this sort of display pisses me off, and I'd love to see "churches" like this start to pay taxes.
2012-06-10 01:40:37 PM  
1 votes:
Why is the Obama dummy wearing a bow-tie? Has Obama EVER worn a bow-tie? Or is this some sort of Obama/Nation of Islam mashup?
2012-06-10 01:40:07 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


No.

That was easy.

They'll turn anything into politics. That's because they're politicians. I bet you can guess of another party that would do the same thing.
2012-06-10 01:34:17 PM  
1 votes:
Gitmo? Eff that send him to Afghanistan and make sure they know who he is.
2012-06-10 01:33:03 PM  
1 votes:
"Obama is killing America" Whatever...there is nothing going on now or on the horizon in America that can't be navigated with good decisions.
2012-06-10 01:21:36 PM  
1 votes:
I'm out of the country now, but when I get back to Gainesville, I think maybe I should pay a visit to this dude's "church" for the lulz.
2012-06-10 01:20:07 PM  
1 votes:
HMS_Blinkin
The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!
If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business.


Political issues are not off limits to churches, but specific candidates are. Yes, this guy is all over Obama and his church should lose tax exempt status.
Political fealty - But no will one touch it because it would be a full-on political war. If this church were outright Nazi or communist it would lose tax-exemt status.
2012-06-10 01:15:57 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.

Probably because the entire right wing would be screaming about either religious persecution or the Obama campaign trying to use the federal government to silence critics.

Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


I honestly don't see how. Most politically active churches are affiliated with the GOP; any move against them by the IRS would be seen as a move against the GOP by the federal government. The only realistic option is to have a GOP-led federal government move against them.

From a political perspective, there's very little to be gained, and lots of potential for extreme backlash.
2012-06-10 01:12:22 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


Seriously? Right-wingers play politics with salads and sandwiches.
2012-06-10 01:09:59 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sick and tired of these treasonous Republicans criticizing our Commander in Chief during war time! Waterboard them!!!!11!!1
2012-06-10 01:07:24 PM  
1 votes:

Scaryduck: Jones has blood on his hands after his Quran burning stunt. Some Christian he.


This is why reality is hilarious and if you have faith in humans then you should be shot. Heres a list.
This guy isn't the pastor of some major congregation, were not talking about thousands of members, its like a couple dozen old farts who show up and scream about what they hate. Ok so this itty bitty church with a pastor who wants more in donations (he's getting it now!) starts screaming on TV for attention, pulling an Ann Coulter really. It worked for him, his Quran stunt got him on TV across the world, he's got political donations coming in by the millions, all he had to do was spout some outrageous crap, like say Rush Limbaugh style, and he's a millionaire. Money's good, its been a few months so hey, lets do it again. This guy has learned greatly from Fred Phelps, I doubt they will team up though.

So every time you see a story about him on TV, imagine a check for a few million being mailed to him. Because thats exactly whats happening.
2012-06-10 01:06:49 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


Probably not, with this Supreme Court. We'd almost certainly get a dumbass ruling that churches are somehow people too.
2012-06-10 01:04:38 PM  
1 votes:

qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.

Probably because the entire right wing would be screaming about either religious persecution or the Obama campaign trying to use the federal government to silence critics.


Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?
2012-06-10 01:01:19 PM  
1 votes:

HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.


Probably because the entire right wing would be screaming about either religious persecution or the Obama campaign trying to use the federal government to silence critics.
2012-06-10 12:59:49 PM  
1 votes:
Bigotry masquerading as free speech. Shocker.
2012-06-10 12:51:41 PM  
1 votes:
The thing that strikes me about the guy's little display is not that it is especially offensive - it's just so.....crappy.
It looks like it was thrown together by drunk high school boys as a prank, and on a dark night.
2012-06-10 12:03:46 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-06-10 11:54:01 AM  
1 votes:
Why does our president hate free speech?

/oblig
2012-06-10 11:29:11 AM  
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Generation_D: It must just be so awesome being in the Secret Service and getting to visit all these mouth breathing inbreds that threaten the president.


In their own way, they're creating jobs.
2012-06-10 09:21:12 AM  
1 votes:
Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?
 
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