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2012-06-10 05:38:01 PM  

thamike: machoprogrammer: thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?

Did you forget all the effigys back when Bush was president during the anti-war protesting?

No. Doesn't really answer my question though.


I can tell you.

1. Anyone who seriously--read: seriously--threatens the life of the President gets a courtesy call from the Secret Service.
2. A public parade hanging the President in effigy isn't a serious threat to his life.
3. This particular person has already come under scrutiny because of his Koran-burning activities AND his stated overt hatred of certain ethnic/religious groups. This pastor was the one who said he didn't care about his Koran burning potentially causing American deaths overseas, IIRC.
4. Because of US history, the hanging of a black man in effigy is potentially more serious than the hanging of a white man in effigy in certain areas of the country.

Put these all together, and you'll see that chances are if Cletus A. Douchebag hung Obama in effigy in his backyard, and even posted it on Facebook, the Secret Service wouldn't care much. A parade down Main Street hanging Obama in effigy, same thing. It might get some cursory attention, but the threat assessment team wouldn't think it was too high risk.

However, THIS man already has shown he is overtly violent and doesn't care about any repercussions of his actions. Therefore, his hanging the President in effigy is going to require a closer inspection than old Cletus's backyard display. There were investigations of threats against Bush's life, but because of the political tenor of the time, you didn't hear about it as much.
 
2012-06-10 06:28:58 PM  

peterthx:

It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".


Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing
 
2012-06-10 06:51:40 PM  

rewind2846: peterthx:

It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".

Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing


The last time it happened was more than half a century ago, time to move on and stop the double standards.
 
2012-06-10 07:10:18 PM  

rewind2846: Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.


Are you one of those guys who swears that this 'flash mob attacks person on the street' phenomenon is an urban legend?

You can Google to get their pictures, you know, but you won't.
 
2012-06-10 07:58:19 PM  

peterthx: thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?

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It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".


One Big Ass Mistake America: What I learned from liberals.
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HATE CRIME

[i.imgur.com image 400x398]
FREE SPEECH


Big difference: None of those knuckleheads were elected officials or preachers or otherwise self-styled "men of God." Find me one of those folks who openly/obliquely advocated Bush's death while he was in office and maybe you can take even ground on this particular issue. Until then...
 
2012-06-10 08:04:58 PM  

rewind2846: Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing


Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.

Advocating the death of a white guy is ok, because someone of another color was lynched in the past. I see.

/liberal logic: an oxymoron to end all oxymorons
 
2012-06-10 08:08:05 PM  

Hilarity_N_Sues: Big difference: None of those knuckleheads were elected officials or preachers or otherwise self-styled "men of God." Find me one of those folks who openly/obliquely advocated Bush's death while he was in office and maybe you can take even ground on this particular issue. Until then...


So elected officials now equal dipshiat pastors?
 
2012-06-10 08:16:12 PM  
I wonder how Jones would like an effigy of himself being assraped by Satan for his perversion of religeon.

"Its just free speech."
 
2012-06-10 08:39:20 PM  
Imagine if liberals did this crap about Bush when he was in office? Wait.....

Odd no Fark outrage then.
 
2012-06-10 08:40:57 PM  

peterthx: rewind2846: Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing

Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.

Advocating the death of a white guy is ok, because someone of another color was lynched in the past. I see.

/liberal logic: an oxymoron to end all oxymorons
DEEERRRRRPPPPPP


Noticing you're a racist means I'm a racist, right?
 
2012-06-10 09:44:27 PM  

ghare: Noticing you're a racist means I'm a racist, right?


rlv.zcache.com

Nice try snapperhead.
 
2012-06-10 09:56:32 PM  

Thunderpipes: Imagine if liberals did this crap about Bush when he was in office? Wait.....

Odd no Fark outrage then.


Uh.... you didn't join fark until 2008? How would you have known about the levels of outrage before that time?
 
2012-06-10 10:11:53 PM  

One Big Ass Mistake America: What I learned from liberals.
[i.imgur.com image 600x500]
HATE CRIME


[i.imgur.com image 400x398]
FREE SPEECH


Show me where the looney pastor was arrested and then we'll talk about the "hate crime" part.
 
2012-06-10 10:16:27 PM  

Thunderpipes: Imagine if liberals did this crap about Bush when he was in office? Wait.....

Odd no Fark outrage then.


zOMG libruls lurv the terraists and hate America! Lurv it or leave it! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-06-10 10:35:33 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: The Secret Service's actions just give this creep legitimacy. If anything, they should visit the "newspapers" that act as Jones' de facto PR machine.


I'm actually glad someone talked to this guy. Free speech is fine, but when you're giving signs of being a total lunatic, someone really needs to say 'hey, buddy, time to back it down here. Maybe write a book instead'.
 
2012-06-10 11:30:17 PM  
The effigy did not "represent the President himself but it represented his policies

Sounds like a lawyer was involved.
 
2012-06-10 11:41:55 PM  
Florida needs to deport this shiathead back to where he came from. We already have plenty of nutters and he puts us way over our quota.
 
2012-06-10 11:42:31 PM  

wambu: The effigy did not "represent the President himself but it represented his policies

Sounds like a lawyer was involved.


I doubt it. Preachers are even better at bullshiat than lawyers.
 
2012-06-10 11:44:26 PM  

super_grass: rewind2846: peterthx:

It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".

Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing

The last time it happened was more than half a century ago, time to move on and stop the double standards.


I guess "dragging a black man to death behind a pickup truck" is different in your mind than "hanging a black man to death from a tree." Because everything was different except a man was killed because he was black. Gotcha.
 
2012-06-11 12:05:39 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I guess "dragging a black man to death behind a pickup truck" is different in your mind than "hanging a black man to death from a tree." Because everything was different except a man was killed because he was black. Gotcha.


Author Harlan Ellison once interviewed a man who was on death row because he had kicked and stomped his long-abused baby daughter to death one night because she cried to much. The man felt that he should've been found innocent of murder because he had been wearing sneakers when he murdered his daughter.

The man explained that he was innocent because if he had meant to kill her, the man would've had put his boots on instead.
 
2012-06-11 12:21:42 AM  
Who would Jebuse hang?
 
2012-06-11 12:42:35 AM  
This guy gives shiatballs a bad name.
 
2012-06-11 12:51:18 AM  

harbingerofdoom: interesting.

not that im agreeing with any particular point of views here because i think both sides are idiots... but:

take a look at youtube, do a gis for bush burning effigy... tons and TONS of stuff there... seems the secret service didnt see fit to investigate those.....

and lest ye say "but a black man and a noose is different!.... thats just playing the race card. the president is the president regardless of color and the office is going to have its detractors making use of what has been seen as free political speech by nearly every administration in the modern age....

....except apparently obama that is.....
people need to stop whight nighting for the administration and realize that its just as corrupt as the previous (more so actually)


You're not very smart, are you?
 
2012-06-11 01:58:40 AM  

Gyrfalcon: tl;dr


It's a hanging effigy. Hanging effigies have been used by protesters since the beginning of time.

Not everything is about race wars, get over it.
 
2012-06-11 02:15:35 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: qorkfiend: HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.

Probably because the entire right wing would be screaming about either religious persecution or the Obama campaign trying to use the federal government to silence critics.

Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


The easiest way would to enact the following reforms, so the IRS would actually have the ability to investigate and enforce tax laws re churches:

a) First off: Require SOME sort of solid proof other than "We say so" that a group registering with the IRS as a church or ministry IS a church or ministry (there is at least one dominionist lobbying group that has used the "ministry" exemption, among others). Either a copy of religious incorporation letters, some sort of proof that they are having regular services, BASIC proof this is a legitimate religious body.

b) REMOVE THE GODDAMNED FORM 990 LOOPHOLE--Require churches to follow the same rules that every other 501(c)3 nonprofit must follow, that is, require churches pulling in over a certain threshold (usually $5000 yearly if memory serves me right) to file a form 990, just the same as I'd have to do with a non-religious charity. Yes, this includes actual farking accountability for where those tithes and "love offerings" are going.

(And before anyone starts in on the "OMFG THIS WOULD BE SUCH A BURDEN ON SMALLER CHURCHES!" whinging--just like there's a 1040EZ for folks without a whole mess of investments or deductions, there is a 990EZ form that is a "short version" of the form 990 that is explicitly designed for smaller charities and can be filled out by mere mortals without the titles of "Tax Attorney" or "Tax Advisor".)

3) Remove the hobbles placed on the IRS that literally prohibit them from performing so much as an audit on a church unless the head of the IRS or a "high ranking" IRS official practically gets deluged with hard evidence (including filming of handing out of partisan voter's guides in churches with copies of the voter's guides provided) that they ARE in fact engaging in illegal electioneering to the point they cannot legally be considered a church but rather a de facto lobbying body.

The great challenge with all this: Every dominionist lobbying group in the US will fight you tooth and nail (because the "church loophole" IS increasingly used by the lobbying groups to hide where money is coming from or going to--much less the major dominionist denominations themselves who are pulling in easily hundreds of billions (with a B) of dollars of tax-exempt funds). Not only will dominionists scream bloody murder, but Scientologists will also scream bloody murder and probably get back to their Fun Hijinks against the IRS. It's even conceivable--based on past history--that Scientologists and NARasites might "make nice" with each other to Get Back at the government...

(Fun fact: Pretty much almost ALL of the IRS regs and laws essentially giving churches a de facto "get out of paying taxes FOREVER and get out of being investigated for using your church as a de facto tax shelter/money laundering front" card are, to a one, the result of Scientology pulling out literally every dirty trick in their book when the IRS threatened to yank their tax-exempt and wanted to pull an audit on the clams. At least one of these stunts, "Operation Snow White", involved Scientologists engaging in a fairly massive infiltration of the US government for the purpose of Watergate-esque destruction of records critical of not only Scientology but several other coercive groups such as the Moonies. The result of this massive tantrum/de-facto domestic espionage operation was that eventually the IRS was effectively ordered not to touch anything regarding churches and their tax-exempt status with a 40-foot barge pole--not even to have the churches prove they were churches.)
 
2012-06-11 03:35:41 AM  

stuffy: Who would Jebuse hang?



Most of his followers
 
2012-06-11 07:05:48 AM  

intelligent comment below: stuffy: Who would Jebuse hang?


Most of his followers


i want to bronze gold plate this.
 
2012-06-11 07:11:37 AM  

peterthx: rewind2846: Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing

Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.

Advocating the death of a white guy is ok, because someone of another color was lynched in the past. I see.

/liberal logic: an oxymoron to end all oxymorons


I don't think that's how that works.
 
2012-06-11 07:21:58 AM  

peterthx: Hilarity_N_Sues: Big difference: None of those knuckleheads were elected officials or preachers or otherwise self-styled "men of God." Find me one of those folks who openly/obliquely advocated Bush's death while he was in office and maybe you can take even ground on this particular issue. Until then...

So elected officials now equal dipshiat pastors?


So you can't find one of those examples I was looking for?
 
2012-06-11 08:11:32 AM  

gravebayne2: intelligent comment below: stuffy: Who would Jebuse hang?


Most of his followers

i want to bronze gold plate this.


Judas priest.
 
2012-06-11 08:49:22 AM  

machoprogrammer: thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?

Did you forget all the effigys back when Bush was president during the anti-war protesting?


How many were hanged in effigy in the same way that others of his same race were for decades in the same area?
 
2012-06-11 08:57:32 AM  

peterthx: thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?

[www.zombietime.com image 470x468]
[www.zombietime.com image 500x499]
[www.zombietime.com image 502x615]

It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".


Is that Oscar Goldman?
 
2012-06-11 09:00:24 AM  
Typical southern christian. Nothing new under the sun. At least this asshat wears his beliefs on his sleeve instead of hiding behind church doors and dog whistles.
 
2012-06-11 09:17:28 AM  

SouthernFriedYankee: No, but he is obviously about 25% the public speaker without it as he is with it. On his own he's all "ummm" and "errr" and so forth. This means that all of his lofty rhetoric is not really coming from his own thoughts; he just reads out loud very well. That's something to rightly criticize, IMO. (And yes, I know, Bush couldn't put two words together without tripping over his own tongue. He's another one who wasn't doing a lot of thinking for himself; still, I suspect he was doing more of that Obama is, albeit not by much.)


Maybe, but I don't think that in itself distinguishes him much from his recent colleagues in that esteemed office. The last president I can remember who seemed to speak well off the cuff was Carter. People forget it now, but at the time, Reagan was as famous for his ill-conceived off-script attempts at humour as for his masterful delivery of speeches written by brilliant writers such as William Safire. (Remember Agnew's "nattering nabobs of negativism"? That was one of Safire's. Agnew himself talked like the Baltimore thug he was.) Remember that Reagan was first and foremost a performer, here in a role where most others had not been, and that could only look good. (As Mark Russell said at the time, "He's *playing* the President.") Bush Sr. seemed to have great difficulty even *with* a script, as if speaking at all was physically painful for him. But at least he could speak in complete sentences: Had I met George Jr. in a job interview, my first instinct would likely be that I might get a tax deduction for hiring him. Clinton, like Reagan, seemed to think he was witty when he was not.

So don't give the teleprompter more credit than it deserves, and don't cut these guys more than they deserve for their less than stellar performances when they're off it. I totally agree that unclear speech *can* indicate unclear thought, but it's not so simple as that. The president has an extremely complex job, and it may be all but impossible for a thoughtful president to ever convey their real thinking in simple terms. More, be careful not to mistake simple speech for clear speech. Bush Jr., despite an uneasy relationship with the English language, did say some clear things. Some clearly stupid things. If ever there was a man in over his head, or a boy sent to do a man's job, it was him, and the way he spoke made that painfully clear.
 
2012-06-11 09:21:11 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: angryjd: BTW, There is no need need to call me a farking moran just because I am not totally in tune with every hick with with a lighter and an attitude problem

No, there's a need to call you a farking moron because you insist it never happened because you hadn't seen it.


There's actually no 'need' to call anyone names. That's simple catharsis. We all do it from time to time -- I'm as guilty as anyone else -- but it's important to own it, rather than try to excuse it.
 
2012-06-11 09:25:59 AM  

One Big Ass Mistake America: What I learned from liberals.
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HATE CRIME


[i.imgur.com image 400x398]
FREE SPEECH


What I learned from Bible Belt 'conservatives': Hanging people for real is defending states rights and preserving decency.
 
2012-06-11 09:28:48 AM  

peterthx: rewind2846: Tell you what, you ignorant moran... find some pictures of american white people who were lynched simply for being white, then your moronic dribblings might make sense.
Until then crack a history book and try to fill that cavernous space you call a skull with more than the bullsh*t that's in there now.
/one wonders how people like you generate enough brainpower to keep breathing

Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.

Advocating the death of a white guy is ok, because someone of another color was lynched in the past. I see.

/liberal logic: an oxymoron to end all oxymorons


Not a single greenlight in a decade? Huh.

/not surprised
 
2012-06-11 09:37:27 AM  

Di Atribe: Thunderpipes: Imagine if liberals did this crap about Bush when he was in office? Wait.....

Odd no Fark outrage then.

Uh.... you didn't join fark until 2008? How would you have known about the levels of outrage before that time?


He joined in January of that year, same as I did. The election wasn't till November, which gave plenty of time to witness denigration of Bush, of which there was plenty.

The difference, I would say, is that Shrub did have most of it coming: he was a loser in many ways, and a deep embarrassment to the nation; and his sneering arrogance made him eminently punchable. Obama is 'controversial' in his willingness to defend the just-right-of-centre DNC agenda, but he's also literate and thoughtful, and considerate towards opponents if not diffident. (In many ways, what a politician should be: firm but fair. Reagan was like this, as was Clinton, which earned respect for both of them.) So the ad hominem attacks on him are easier to see as either off-target attacks on his ideas, or as highly suspect personal attacks against a man whose only clear distinction as a human being is not being entirely white. That's hard not to see as racism.
 
2012-06-11 09:43:40 AM  

Bucky Katt: Florida needs to deport this shiathead back to where he came from.


He's from Mississippi. He came to Florida by way of Germany, by way of Kentucky, with a stop in Missouri along the way. If you read his bio, his main talent seems to be selling stuff. And hate sells easily.
 
2012-06-11 12:03:27 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Not a single greenlight in a decade? Huh.

/not surprised


Since I have yet to submit something, I'd would be surprised.

www.threadbombing.com

/note the lack of TOTAL FARK too
 
2012-06-11 02:40:42 PM  
I have a hard time understanding the level of hatred towards Obama. I don't think he's as great as many think, but dang, cut him some slack. I didn't like Bush at all and still think he was one of the worst presidents in history, but I didn't go around wishing him dead either. The president has limited power, good or bad, Obama isn't destroying the nation, we the people have been doing a grand job of that ourselves.
 
2012-06-11 05:11:48 PM  

peterthx: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Not a single greenlight in a decade? Huh.

/not surprised

Since I have yet to submit something, I'd would be surprised.

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/note the lack of TOTAL FARK too


There are numerous definitions of the word "zero." You fulfill several of them.
 
2012-06-11 05:23:03 PM  

James10952001: I have a hard time understanding the level of hatred towards Obama. I don't think he's as great as many think, but dang, cut him some slack. I didn't like Bush at all and still think he was one of the worst presidents in history, but I didn't go around wishing him dead either. The president has limited power, good or bad, Obama isn't destroying the nation, we the people have been doing a grand job of that ourselves.


I think Pastor Jones' childish antics probably don't have that much to do with Obama personally -- or even the fact that he's near, though that's surely convenient to his own ends. If you read Jones' bio, he's pretty much a useless sack of shiat, except that he has one special characteristic: being shameless enough to deliberately anger people in order to get money from people even more worthless than he is. He's not alone in this. There are countless other useless sacks of shiat running around doing pretty much the same thing, but in subtler ways like ripping off old people or overcharging for shiatty food. Those people have just enough shame to not want to be seen for who they really are; Jones doesn't care, though, as long as the money keeps flowing.

Consider the Qu'ran thing: If he was sincere about it, then he'd just do it, with no need to AW about it. The AWing was about the money that earned him. I doubt he cares about the book itself, or any holy book, beyond their earning potential. (He's certainly not alone in that, either.) He may or may not care about national politics, but 'hanging' a famously 'black' political celebrity in effigy, in an area where real Blacks were once really strung up for political reasons, is a sure breadwinner for him. All you need to do this is to have no shame.
 
2012-06-11 05:27:11 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
There are numerous definitions of the word "zero." You fulfill several of them.


Speaking of zeros, there's more to life than hanging out on FARK and submitting approved links.

Get out of the basement, interact with actual people and don't pepper them with petty insults when you discover someone doesn't have the same worldview as you. Learn something.
 
2012-06-11 11:51:40 PM  

peterthx:

Ohhh. What an internet tough guy. I imagine you had to clean the spittle off your monitor after typing that rant.


You're not worth the spittle. I typed that one dry. And you're still a moron.
 
2012-06-12 12:49:51 AM  

rewind2846:
You're not worth the spittle. I typed that one dry. And you're still a moron.


Pot/kettle, rubber/glue, etc. *You're* the one getting in a froth about something someone said on the internet (and I'm a moron?)...you must bark at passing cars too.
 
2012-06-12 11:15:59 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: How many were hanged in effigy in the same way that others of his same race were for decades in the same area?



And there it is, Fark's "race"-based value system. He may be the most powerful man in the country, but because of the shade of his skin, Farkers say we must treat him differently than every other President in history, because feelings.

Tell me more about this "post-racial" era I heard declared on November 4th, 2008.
 
2012-06-12 05:54:29 PM  

BigNumber12: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: How many were hanged in effigy in the same way that others of his same race were for decades in the same area?


And there it is, Fark's "race"-based value system. He may be the most powerful man in the country, but because of the shade of his skin, Farkers say we must treat him differently than every other President in history, because feelings.

Tell me more about this "post-racial" era I heard declared on November 4th, 2008.


Come on, man, that was totally phoning it in.
 
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