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2012-06-10 02:54:28 PM

angryjd: FTA:
Jones, who garnered infamy after burning copies of the Quran, said he anticipated the reaction and didn't mind answering questions about his mental state or possible ties to radical groups that may want to harm the President.

I don't think he ever burned a copy of the Quran. At least there is no evidence that I have seen, and I think that if one is going to pull off a publicity stunt that it least you would have sufficient evidence to ensure the stunt actually happened.


Ok, just saw the video. My apologies. Why was this covered like crazy when no one actually burned anything and then virtually ignored when it was?
 
2012-06-10 03:03:20 PM

angryjd: angryjd: FTA:
Jones, who garnered infamy after burning copies of the Quran, said he anticipated the reaction and didn't mind answering questions about his mental state or possible ties to radical groups that may want to harm the President.

I don't think he ever burned a copy of the Quran. At least there is no evidence that I have seen, and I think that if one is going to pull off a publicity stunt that it least you would have sufficient evidence to ensure the stunt actually happened.

Ok, just saw the video. My apologies. Why was this covered like crazy when no one actually burned anything and then virtually ignored when it was?


Probably because the media saw what happened in Afghanistan when they covered it like crazy and decided it was best for the good of humanity to ignore his AW'ing ass.
 
2012-06-10 03:03:49 PM

Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?


Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.
 
2012-06-10 03:08:15 PM

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


And then the Civil Rights movement happened, the Republicans did the math and realized they could win national elections without a single black vote so long as they won the South and the Southern Strategy of specifically pandering to racists was born. After that, the segregationists all left the Democratic party and became Republican and the South has been red ever since. But don't let the facts stop you from spreading a blitheringly ignorant twisting of history.
 
2012-06-10 03:10:38 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why is the Obama dummy wearing a bow-tie? Has Obama EVER worn a bow-tie? Or is this some sort of Obama/Nation of Islam mashup?


Because bow-ties are cool.
 
2012-06-10 03:12:27 PM

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Saying the KKK was started by "the democrats" is like saying that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by "the christians." Because, you know, Timothy McVeigh was a christian.
 
2012-06-10 03:15:02 PM

Phony_Soldier: Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Drink!
 
2012-06-10 03:22:03 PM
Am I the only one who hopes that he pisses off the wrong people and he gets a little bit of street justice?
 
2012-06-10 03:23:25 PM

theorellior: Phony_Soldier: Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.

Drink!


Actually the KKK was inadvertently started by Republicans in their first failed attempt at nation building.
 
2012-06-10 03:26:05 PM

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Robert Byrd Margaret Sanger Dixicrat also too!

This is the pointless talking point thread, yes?
 
2012-06-10 03:27:31 PM
interesting.

not that im agreeing with any particular point of views here because i think both sides are idiots... but:

take a look at youtube, do a gis for bush burning effigy... tons and TONS of stuff there... seems the secret service didnt see fit to investigate those.....

and lest ye say "but a black man and a noose is different!.... thats just playing the race card. the president is the president regardless of color and the office is going to have its detractors making use of what has been seen as free political speech by nearly every administration in the modern age....

....except apparently obama that is.....
people need to stop whight nighting for the administration and realize that its just as corrupt as the previous (more so actually)
 
2012-06-10 03:28:58 PM

rynthetyn: if he was doing it for racial reasons he would have brought that up because if there's one thing Terry Jones doesn't have, it's a filter.


good point
 
2012-06-10 03:32:44 PM
It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.
 
2012-06-10 03:34:53 PM

cig-mkr: I'm really surprised that some sniper hasn't taken this guy out already for his BS at military funerals.


Wrong crazy guy.
 
2012-06-10 03:35:54 PM

angryjd: Ok, just saw the video. My apologies. Why was this covered like crazy when no one actually burned anything and then virtually ignored when it was?


Because you get your information from cable news networks.
 
2012-06-10 03:36:35 PM

HMS_Blinkin: The point was brought up yesterday, but it bears repeating: WHY THE FARK ARE THESE ASSHOLES STILL TAX-EXEMPT?!?!

If you're a church or a mosque, and you're pushing an explicit political agenda, you need to be treated as a PAC (at least) by the IRS. The entire reason that places of worship are tax-exempt is because church and state are supposed to stay out of each others' business. If a church breaks its end of that bargain in some way, the government may start collecting taxes.


That's a little too broad. Specifically, tax-exempt organizations (which includes more than just churches) are prohibited from endorsing political candidates or (as in this case) attacking one candidate in a way that can be viewed as endorsing his/her opponent.

Tax-exempt organizations can speak out on political issues. That's free speech, not "getting into the government's business."

Terry doesn't get the distinction. Please don't share his ignorance.
 
2012-06-10 03:37:22 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.


Why is "church" in sarcastiquotes?
 
2012-06-10 03:37:39 PM
Phony Soldier = Stolen Valour = Traitor
 
2012-06-10 03:38:46 PM

thamike: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.

Why is "church" in sarcastiquotes?


Because it's more of a base of operations for domestic terrorism than a house of worship.
 
2012-06-10 03:39:16 PM

BillCo: I imagine the conversation went something like this.

"Hey dude, just chill out. He'll be out of office in a few months."


You really think they lied to the guy?
 
2012-06-10 03:42:44 PM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: thamike: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.

Why is "church" in sarcastiquotes?

Because it's more of a base of operations for domestic terrorism than a house of worship.


It truly is a tightrope walk, isn't it?
 
2012-06-10 03:48:28 PM

harbingerofdoom: not that im agreeing with any particular point of views here because i think both sides are idiots...


Thank you for your commentary. Here are some lovely parting gifts. Johnny, tell him what he's won!
 
2012-06-10 03:52:06 PM

harbingerofdoom: interesting.

not that im agreeing with any particular point of views here because i think both sides are idiots... but:

take a look at youtube, do a gis for bush burning effigy... tons and TONS of stuff there... seems the secret service didnt see fit to investigate those.....

and lest ye say "but a black man and a noose is different!.... thats just playing the race card. the president is the president regardless of color and the office is going to have its detractors making use of what has been seen as free political speech by nearly every administration in the modern age....

....except apparently obama that is.....
people need to stop whight nighting for the administration and realize that its just as corrupt as the previous (more so actually)


Yes it is wrong to burn or hang effigies, but in Bush's case the effigies were being burned mostly by anonymous protestors and mostly in foreign countries. This pastor is just stupid enough to stamp his name all over it, so he gets a visit from the secret service.
 
2012-06-10 03:52:50 PM

SpectroBoy: BillCo: I imagine the conversation went something like this.

"Hey dude, just chill out. He'll be out of office in a few months."

You really think they lied to the guy?


Hey, in a cosmic sense, 56 months is a "few"
 
2012-06-10 03:56:53 PM

thamike: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: thamike: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: It would be a shame if lightning struck this "church" and the whole thing burned to the ground before anyone thought to put it out.

Why is "church" in sarcastiquotes?

Because it's more of a base of operations for domestic terrorism than a house of worship.

It truly is a tightrope walk, isn't it?


Yeah, why can't a church be both?
 
2012-06-10 04:00:20 PM
It seems like each successive Administration has no problem with ratcheting up Executive Power by a few more notches, because they know that about half of the population will defend them rabidly and do spectacular logical gymnastics in order to justify said increases to the 'other team.'
 
2012-06-10 04:12:12 PM
In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act, and the overt acts that may be prosecutable under sedition laws vary from one legal code to another. Where the history of these legal codes has been traced, there is also a record of the change in the definition of the elements constituting sedition at certain points in history. This overview has served to develop a sociological definition of sedition as well, within the study of state persecution.

The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).

Sedition is the stirring up of rebellion against the government in power. Treason is the violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or state, giving aid to enemies, or levying war against one's state. Sedition is encouraging one's fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one's country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.

Wiki
 
2012-06-10 04:12:59 PM

Mock26: Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.

Saying the KKK was started by "the democrats" is like saying that the Oklahoma City bombing was done by "the christians." Because, you know, Timothy McVeigh was a christian.


Actually, McVeigh was multiple religions (he went from Christian, to Atheist, to Agnostic, to Christian, to Agnostic again). A better example would be Eric Rudolph.
 
2012-06-10 04:13:04 PM
This asshat is not a conservative. He's a douchebag. Regardless of how you feel about Obama (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW), you simply do not hang black people in effigy, regardless of what "point" you think you're trying to make. You've got to be monstrously insensitive to even consider doing such a thing. The only possible message you're going to get across is "I am indifferent to the suffering of others." Of course, we're talking about the same prick who clawed his way to fame by burning Korans, thus touching off riots and getting a lot of people killed. So it's a given that cares not a whit for anyone who isn't exactly like him.

You wanna burn the president in effigy? Go for it - free speech. You wanna burn the flag? Have at it - also free speech. I don't agree with either action (mostly because it doesn't accomplish anything except pissing people off), but these are legal forms of expression, and rightly so. Is it legal to hang an effigy that looks black? It most certainly is - and it should remain so.

But good lord, don't actually farking DO IT.
 
2012-06-10 04:18:48 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW)


You don't really think he's the first President to actually use a teleprompter, do you? The rest of your post was pretty good. I'd hate for it to be tainted by something silly like this.
 
2012-06-10 04:19:05 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: This asshat is not a conservative. He's a douchebag. Regardless of how you feel about Obama (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW)


You're both douchebags. Jones just does it with a wraparound mustache.
 
2012-06-10 04:21:02 PM
So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.
 
2012-06-10 04:25:32 PM

super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.


When wasn't it?
 
2012-06-10 04:31:12 PM
That reminds me, we haven't heard much from Turd Nugent lately.
 
2012-06-10 04:33:13 PM

IDisME: That reminds me, we haven't heard much from Turd Nugent lately.


He's been busy snapping photos of children at the park.
 
2012-06-10 04:34:03 PM

Phony_Soldier: Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


Yes.
The views of the Democratic party are now those of the GOP and vice versa. Do you think Lincoln would be a Republican these days?
 
2012-06-10 04:39:17 PM

cretinbob: You're either with us or against us.


Secret Service. Our very own Praetorian Guard
 
2012-06-10 04:39:28 PM

cretinbob: Phony_Soldier: Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.

Yes.
The views of the Democratic party are now those of the GOP and vice versa. Do you think Lincoln would be a Republican these days?


No because he was about unifying instead of dividing.
 
2012-06-10 04:43:43 PM

shanrick: [i.imgur.com image 570x408]


Yeah, no, that's not about his policies.
 
2012-06-10 04:46:02 PM

Phony_Soldier: Ennuipoet: Ah, lynching, is there anything more deeply conservative, than stringing up someone who get's "uppity"?

Actually, the kkk was started by the democrats, but dont let that stop you from spewing your ignornce around.


And the income tax was initiated by Republicans, what's your point?
 
2012-06-10 04:49:04 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Well of course they would. But the real question is: is there a way around that? Can we figure out a way to begin taxing churches that behave in this way, and doing do in such a way that it is impossible for right-wingers to play politics with it?


We can split the tax code to where your donation can still be used as a deduction but then for the organization it is taxed as income. Basically just deep six non-profit status for everyone and let them say what they want.
 
2012-06-10 04:54:57 PM

thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?


Did you forget all the effigys back when Bush was president during the anti-war protesting?
 
2012-06-10 04:56:16 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: angryjd: FTA:
Jones, who garnered infamy after burning copies of the Quran, said he anticipated the reaction and didn't mind answering questions about his mental state or possible ties to radical groups that may want to harm the President.

I don't think he ever burned a copy of the Quran. At least there is no evidence that I have seen, and I think that if one is going to pull off a publicity stunt that it least you would have sufficient evidence to ensure the stunt actually happened.

Know how I know you are a farking moran?


BTW, There is no need need to call me a farking moran just because I am not totally in tune with every hick with with a lighter and an attitude problem. Knowing what people like this do every day is NOT an indicator of intelligence.
 
2012-06-10 04:59:29 PM

thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?


www.zombietime.com
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It's wrong at any time, except certain members of society are angry now that it's "their guy".
 
2012-06-10 05:00:03 PM
Video of freako who said Obama should be beheaded being questioned by the S.S.

Link
 
2012-06-10 05:00:56 PM

Di Atribe: SouthernFriedYankee: (I want the TelePromTer-reading clown gone yesterday, FWIW)

You don't really think he's the first President to actually use a teleprompter, do you? The rest of your post was pretty good. I'd hate for it to be tainted by something silly like this.

No, but he is obviously about 25% the public speaker without it as he is with it. On his own he's all "ummm" and "errr" and so forth. This means that all of his lofty rhetoric is not really coming from his own thoughts; he just reads out loud very well. That's something to rightly criticize, IMO. (And yes, I know, Bush couldn't put two words together without tripping over his own tongue. He's another one who wasn't doing a lot of thinking for himself; still, I suspect he was doing more of that Obama is, albeit not by much.)

thamike: You're both douchebags. Jones just does it with a wraparound mustache.
Partisan much?
 
2012-06-10 05:13:47 PM

angryjd: BTW, There is no need need to call me a farking moran just because I am not totally in tune with every hick with with a lighter and an attitude problem


No, there's a need to call you a farking moron because you insist it never happened because you hadn't seen it.
 
2012-06-10 05:19:57 PM

SouthernFriedYankee: Partisan much?


I would need a teleprompter to answer that.
 
2012-06-10 05:21:08 PM

machoprogrammer: thamike: super_grass: So NOW it's wrong to put the president's effigy in a noose and threaten physical harm upon him now?

I wonder what changed in the past few years, I really do.

When wasn't it?

Did you forget all the effigys back when Bush was president during the anti-war protesting?


No. Doesn't really answer my question though.
 
2012-06-10 05:33:03 PM

What I learned from liberals.

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HATE CRIME


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FREE SPEECH
 
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