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2012-06-10 12:07:01 PM  
2 votes:

What climate change?

www.woodfortrees.org



Cue the idiots who don't know the difference between these two sentences:

A) Temperatures are not going up presently.

B) Temperatures have never gone up.
2012-06-12 12:32:47 AM  
1 vote:

GeneralJim: Tree ring width is dependent upon MANY factors. It is used as a proxy for rainfall, too, for example.

...

In short, tree-ring width is not a suitable proxy for temperature.


Just noticed this doozy too. We'll set aside the fact that Jim spent two paragraphs rambling about trees to respond to a post that didn't mention trees that linked to an article that didn't mention trees.

DENDROCLIMATOLOGY RELIES PRIMARILY ON MAXIMUM LATEWOOD DENSITY AS ITS STRONG PROXY, NOT RING WIDTH, YOU GOD DAMNED MORON.

As for...

GeneralJim: It is noteworthy that tree-ring data, like that upon which Briffa's, and hence Mann's, research utterly depends...


Briffa's method:

Tree-Ring Density Reconstructions of Summer Temperature Patterns across Western North America since 1600

Summer Temperature Patterns over Europe: A Reconstruction from 1750 A.D. Based on Maximum Latewood Density Indices of Conifers


GENERALJIM THINKS DENDROCLIMATOLOGY IS BASED SOLELY ON TREE RING WIDTH, DESPITE THE FACT THAT MXD IS KNOWN AND USED AS A SUPERIOR PROXY. HE WILL SIMULTANEOUSLY CLAIM TO BE QUALIFIED TO SECOND GUESS SCIENCE THAT NOT ONLY DOES HE CLEARLY NOT UNDERSTAND, BUT SCIENCE BASED ON MEASURING THINGS HE ISN'T EVEN AWARE ARE BEING MEASURED.

I can just predict his follow-up now:

I clearly said tree-ring data, you big stupid, so I obviously knew about MXD, even though I gave no indication of it and bracketed my discussion of it by only blathering about tree-ring width, giving clear contextual evidence that "tree-ring data" referred to that

...before promptly incorporating this new-found information into his distorted world view and claiming that nobody understands it but him, thread shiatting rambling nonsense about it.
2012-06-12 12:17:38 AM  
1 vote:

GeneralJim: Allow me to point out some problems...


Then allow me to retort...

GeneralJim: First, note the weasel words "should have been."


These are not weasel words. It's a statement of what should be according to a particular model, in the same way that the average American male should be 5'9" to 5'10" tall.

Second, hilariously enough, while calling out weasel words, you crop the context to make it appear here that they're referring to anything other than "should have been warmer in the summer AND colder in the winter"

Because you don't understand science, you don't understand this.

GeneralJim: Also note that they are "predicting the past."


No, they are not. They are predicting results of a calculation from a given set of variables. Calculations flow from the present and the results will be generated in the future, once the calculations are completed. All scientific hypotheses work this way; when they model the Universe and extrapolate back to the Big Bang, it is not "junk science" because they're "predicting the past".

Because you don't understand science, you don't understand this.

GeneralJim: I could become a "medium" and predict the past... I'd have a stellar record.


You have a tenuous at best grasp on the present. You've also made statements about threads that have happened in the past that have zero relation to reality, including straight-up lying about the contents of easily quoted posts.

GeneralJim: But, lost in all of this is that we freaking HAVE the record, shown in my previous post, of temperatures from that time. No need to predict the temperature when you have a proxy record.


Demonstrating succinctly that you did not read the article that was posted, and linked to, because you are an idiot, otherwise you would have seen these words:

The paleoclimatic data for the mid-Holocene shows these expected changes, however, there is no evidence to show that the average annual mid-Holocene temperature was warmer than today's temperatures.

And know that, of course, "the paleoclimatic data" is from the very proxy record you whine about here.

Because you don't understand how to read and vet sources and how to properly construct a reply to those sources, you don't understand this.

GeneralJim: Second, note that "warmer than today during the mid-Holocene in the summer AND colder in the winter" phrase. It is noteworthy that tree-ring data, like that upon which Briffa's, and hence Mann's, research utterly depends, doesn't pick up trends which occur during periods in which a tree is not growing -- at night, and during the winter, for two examples. Other proxies don't depend upon such timing issues. Tree ring width is dependent upon MANY factors. It is used as a proxy for rainfall, too, for example.

And, if you take your readings from a single grove of trees, a herd of animals changing migration patterns and taking more dumps in that grove, thus fertilizing it, will also drastically change the growth of trees. Ironically, the trees ALSO grow faster with more carbon dioxide, which is a seriously complicating factor if you are using the trees to measure the secondary effects of carbon dioxide, and one of the primary effects is to increase the growth. In short, tree-ring width is not a suitable proxy for temperature.


The only thing noteworthy here is that this only reinforces the fact that you are functionally illiterate. At no point was tree ring data mentioned in either the post you are responding to or the article it linked. Not once. Just more blather from you with your pathetic canned arguments, trotting out things you think you understand (but don't) as a counterpoint to things you haven't bothered reading.

It's a pure knee-jerk reaction, to post two paragraphs that address literally nothing, and it's so transparent as to be utterly hilarious.

You don't understand you're even doing this, because you're insane.
2012-06-11 09:37:44 PM  
1 vote:

SevenizGud: No lies of omission there, nosireebob.


Ironic, because when people call you on your obvious lies of omission, you throw a fit and try to claim "LOL HADCRUT WILL BE HAPPY TO KNOW YOU THINK THEY ARE LIARS" (hilarious, since this is itself a lie of omission that you're being called on a lie of omission, not a lie about the data).

You deserve to die.
2012-06-10 07:42:48 PM  
1 vote:
they "forgot" to mention it will be running Linux, as do 95% of all Supercomputers.


sorry, couldn't help it. its just so juicy.
2012-06-10 05:29:42 PM  
1 vote:
The thread started out so well dumping on Linkin Park then went all climate change graphy. But I guess in the end it doesn't really matter.

/must be a LP lyric
2012-06-10 02:11:47 PM  
1 vote:

whatshisname: Oddly enough, if you post the data without messing with it, the graphs look a little more familiar:


Oddly enough, cueing exactly the people who I said would be cued in my initial post.
2012-06-10 12:58:50 PM  
1 vote:

Zel: Ive see n that pic used before, each time like it had any meaning or carried some weight. Are you ever going to tell us what the units are on the vertical axis, or even what a hadcrut/3vgl is?


No, do your own homework, junior. If you don't know the first thing about climate change data expression, then maybe you shouldn't be posting in this thread.
2012-06-10 12:37:50 PM  
1 vote:
So now they are going to do really inaccurate Navier-Stokes calculations much much much much faster? Sounds like the difference between runny stool and explosive diarrhea to me.
2012-06-10 11:28:30 AM  
1 vote:
How Linkin Park songs are made:

LINKWITHSOUND
2012-06-10 12:31:09 AM  
1 vote:
GIGO
 
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