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(Huffington Post)   Qur'an-burning pastor transitions to hanging-Obama-in-effigy pastor, looking forward to finishing out his career as prison-chaplain pastor   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-06-09 06:32:30 PM  

quatchi: The Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla., has hanged an effigy of President Barack Obama from a gallows on its front lawn, a move DWOC pastor Terry Jones said was in response to Obama's recent endorsement of same-sex marriage, as well as his stance on abortion and what Jones called his "appeasing of radical Islam."

This word...


this dumbass doesn't know that he and the extremist Muslims are more alike than not. the only difference is they way they spell a few names.
 
2012-06-09 06:43:54 PM  

Hobodeluxe: This dumbass doesn't know that he and the extremist Muslims are more alike than not. The only difference is they way they spell a few names.


This is true. Let's hope the bastards never put two and two together.
 
2012-06-09 06:51:58 PM  
Douche.
 
2012-06-09 06:52:36 PM  

beta_plus: spongeboob: beta_plus: draa: zenobia: Seriously, before this gets out of hand, the douche clearly said on the video that he hung Uncle Sam.

/Obama's already hung
/try the veal

Unless Uncle Sam is Black I call bullshiat. The effigy that was hanging in front of the church was clearly a black man, so he's also a Liar. No suprise since he's Republican. Hide their Hate behind Lies because they wouldn't last a day if they toid the truth.

You're saying that Uncle Sam can't be black?

Racist.

According to wiki Uncle Sam came into use around 1812, at that time blacks were still only 3/5 of people so yeah I am saying Uncle Sam can't be black.

You're saying that blacks can't be certain things that they were not allowed to be before the end of slavery. That's pure hatred and racism.


So says the guy supporting the pastor.
 
2012-06-09 06:55:22 PM  

quatchi: Hobodeluxe: This dumbass doesn't know that he and the extremist Muslims are more alike than not. The only difference is they way they spell a few names.

This is true. Let's hope the bastards never put two and two together.


I hope they do, because if they realized that they're just like the Muslim extremists they so hate, the resulting brain aneurism would permanently remove them from the country's political process.
 
2012-06-09 07:09:12 PM  
I'm genuinely curious, are effigys protected speech? Or is it classified under speech to incite violence?
 
2012-06-09 07:17:08 PM  
Jesus FARKING Christ, I've had it up to here with these retards. No, Obama isn't coming to take your bible or your plaster Jesus. He's the American version of Tony Blair, and he's here to serve financial institutions, just like Bush did. YOU'RE GETTING NOTHING NEW, you tards.
 
2012-06-09 07:20:33 PM  
"You know what you should do, Terry Jones? Why don't you go over to Saudi Arabia and protest? That's where they actually practice Sharia law. They'd cut 'em off an hand 'em to you!" -- Mike Malloy
 
2012-06-09 07:23:08 PM  

Hobodeluxe: this dumbass doesn't know that he and the extremist Muslims are more alike than not. the only difference is they way they spell a few names.


Incorrect, in Islam the last and most significant Monotheistic prophet was a man who worshiped God, the Christians believe in a man that claimed to be God.

BIG DIFFERENCE. Don't put my brothers in Islam in the same category as this idol worshiping assclown.
 
2012-06-09 07:23:23 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: I'm genuinely curious, are effigys protected speech? Or is it classified under speech to incite violence?


Free speech, much like flag burning. No expert here, but it's a tough sell to *prove* intent to incite violence with the burning of an effigy.
 
2012-06-09 07:24:04 PM  

zenobia: Seriously, before this gets out of hand, the douche clearly said on the video that he hung Uncle Sam.

/Obama's already hung
/try the veal


Never knew that Uncle Sam was ever portrayed to be black or wear a black suit.
 
2012-06-09 07:26:00 PM  

spongeboob: beta_plus: spongeboob: beta_plus: draa: zenobia: Seriously, before this gets out of hand, the douche clearly said on the video that he hung Uncle Sam.

/Obama's already hung
/try the veal

Unless Uncle Sam is Black I call bullshiat. The effigy that was hanging in front of the church was clearly a black man, so he's also a Liar. No suprise since he's Republican. Hide their Hate behind Lies because they wouldn't last a day if they toid the truth.

You're saying that Uncle Sam can't be black?

Racist.

According to wiki Uncle Sam came into use around 1812, at that time blacks were still only 3/5 of people so yeah I am saying Uncle Sam can't be black.

You're saying that blacks can't be certain things that they were not allowed to be before the end of slavery. That's pure hatred and racism.

No I am saying that when Uncle Sam came into use he would have been white, so If he was white then traditionalyhe would be white now.

By the way I hate that slavery was allowed in the constitution how about you?

I


I'm not the one saying that a black man can't be Uncle Sam. You're the one who sounds like he liked black slavery. Racist.
 
2012-06-09 07:30:10 PM  
It would be great if that idiot would die a violent death.
 
2012-06-09 07:32:07 PM  

jmr61: It would be great if that idiot would die a violent death.


I feel that frustration, but wishing death isn't cool. Long prison is prob. worse for that kind of loser anyway.
 
2012-06-09 07:33:58 PM  
This man is truly a follower of Jesus.
 
2012-06-09 07:35:57 PM  
In a telephone interview with The Huffington Post, Jones said the flag was meant to call attention to Obama's stance on same-sex marriage skin colour and that the baby doll is there because the president is "favorable toward abortion." an uppity Negro.

Fixed that for them.
 
2012-06-09 07:37:39 PM  

intelligent comment below: This man is truly a follower of Jesus.


The man is a fool and a menace, but yes, sarcasm detected :)
 
2012-06-09 07:54:45 PM  
I filled out a FBI complaint on this one. I'm sick and tired of this f*ckery.
 
2012-06-09 08:17:25 PM  

beta_plus: I'm not the one saying that a black man can't be Uncle Sam. You're the one who sounds like he liked black slavery. Racist


beta_plus: spongeboob: beta_plus: spongeboob: beta_plus: draa: zenobia: Seriously, before this gets out of hand, the douche clearly said on the video that he hung Uncle Sam.

/Obama's already hung
/try the veal

Unless Uncle Sam is Black I call bullshiat. The effigy that was hanging in front of the church was clearly a black man, so he's also a Liar. No suprise since he's Republican. Hide their Hate behind Lies because they wouldn't last a day if they toid the truth.

You're saying that Uncle Sam can't be black?

Racist.

According to wiki Uncle Sam came into use around 1812, at that time blacks were still only 3/5 of people so yeah I am saying Uncle Sam can't be black.

You're saying that blacks can't be certain things that they were not allowed to be before the end of slavery. That's pure hatred and racism.

No I am saying that when Uncle Sam came into use he would have been white, so If he was white then traditionalyhe would be white now.

By the way I hate that slavery was allowed in the constitution how about you?

I

I'm not the one saying that a black man can't be Uncle Sam. You're the one who sounds like he liked black slavery. Racist.


I'm saying Uncle Sam isn't black,
Uncle Sam is the fictional character who is represented by a white man, Could you please show me a representation of Uncle Sam being black, I did a GIS and saw no black versions of Uncle Sam
 
2012-06-09 08:18:16 PM  
Typical Christian. No surprise here.
 
2012-06-09 08:22:37 PM  
Dear God

Please give Pastor Jones of Gainesville Florida his true reward. Take him into heaven now. Please now, right now.

Signed
Embarrassed Gainesville resident.
 
2012-06-09 08:33:07 PM  

New Farkin User Name: What do you actually have to do for your church to lose its tax-exempt status these days?


Let's put it this way: Westboro Baptist Church is tax exempt.
 
2012-06-09 08:39:12 PM  
Hanging/burning/mutilating in effigy is a long-standing form of political critique and as such is protected speech, whether you farking like it or not.
 
2012-06-09 08:45:45 PM  

Old enough to know better: Theres also the whole 'hanging a black man in effigy' thing to consider.


I'd say his status as the President trumps his status as a black or half-black man. Like it or not, if you still your tongue for traditional forms of criticism and public demonstrations just because somebody is black, then you are a turd.

We've long hanged, burned, and hacked up leaders and traitors as a symbolic act of public disgust with them. It doesn't make a difference what colour they are.
 
2012-06-09 08:53:59 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Hanging/burning/mutilating in effigy is a long-standing form of political critique and as such is protected speech, whether you farking like it or not.


That's fine. But it's clearly political speech, which should lose this guy his tax exempt status. But it won't.
 
2012-06-09 08:58:48 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Old enough to know better: Theres also the whole 'hanging a black man in effigy' thing to consider.

I'd say his status as the President trumps his status as a black or half-black man. Like it or not, if you still your tongue for traditional forms of criticism and public demonstrations just because somebody is black, then you are a turd.

We've long hanged, burned, and hacked up leaders and traitors as a symbolic act of public disgust with them. It doesn't make a difference what colour they are.


Unfortunately, we've also hanged, burned and hacked up black people as a literal act of public disgust. But I guess that makes the practice more fun to defend.
 
2012-06-09 08:59:47 PM  
Isnt burning an effigy legal?
 
2012-06-09 09:04:14 PM  

Johnny Swank: Typical Christian. No surprise here.


Quite the broad brush you've got, there. If this were a "Typical Christian," wouldn't effigies of Obama be so common as to not make the news?

No, don't answer. I won't be able to hear you over the sound of you grinding your own axe.
 
2012-06-09 09:06:59 PM  

erveek: Dr. Mojo PhD: Old enough to know better: Theres also the whole 'hanging a black man in effigy' thing to consider.

I'd say his status as the President trumps his status as a black or half-black man. Like it or not, if you still your tongue for traditional forms of criticism and public demonstrations just because somebody is black, then you are a turd.

We've long hanged, burned, and hacked up leaders and traitors as a symbolic act of public disgust with them. It doesn't make a difference what colour they are.

Unfortunately, we've also hanged, burned and hacked up black people as a literal act of public disgust. But I guess that makes the practice more fun to defend.


Doesn't matter, does it? Acts are right or wrong based on their motivation. Even if you're against the death penalty, you can see the difference between hanging a person because he raped and killed a four-year-old girl, and hanging a person because he's black. It's not the hanging that's the problem.

Or punching your wife because she's threatening your children with a knife, vs. punching your wife because you want to feel power over something weaker than you. Again, it's not the punching your wife that's the problem, it's why you're doing it. Good reasons, bad reasons.

Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.
 
2012-06-09 09:17:11 PM  

BroVinny: Quite the broad brush you've got, there. If this were a "Typical Christian," wouldn't effigies of Obama be so common as to not make the news?


Yeah, typical Christians have so many effigies of a dead Jew nailed to boards, that it isn't news.
 
2012-06-09 09:25:40 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.


I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not going to convince you that this is racially motivated, and you're not going to convince me that this is completely devoid of racism.
 
2012-06-09 09:31:41 PM  

erveek: Dr. Mojo PhD: Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.

I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not going to convince you that this is racially motivated, and you're not going to convince me that this is completely devoid of racism.


Oh I could think that it's 100% racially motivated, but without evidence the principle of charity demands that I assume he's making the strongest argument possible. My thoughts are subordinate to logic and reason, and without some proof that this is a statistical outlier merely disguised under the leaders-killed-in-effigy category, my thoughts must be assumed to be wrong if they deviate from that, stifled, and corrected.
 
2012-06-09 09:44:32 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Hanging/burning/mutilating in effigy is a long-standing form of political critique and as such is protected speech, whether you farking like it or not.


Yep. I think the Secret Service is going to investigate this, as they should, and quickly close the case as having no credible threat. The Secret Service has a duty to follow up on these things, because once in a blue moon, there actually is a threat. But they also have a Constitutional duty to let go anything that doesn't cross the line.
 
2012-06-09 09:57:17 PM  
Maybe he's testing the hypothesis that Obama supporters are as touchy and violent as 3rd world Muslims.
 
2012-06-09 10:22:36 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: erveek: Dr. Mojo PhD: Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.

I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not going to convince you that this is racially motivated, and you're not going to convince me that this is completely devoid of racism.

Oh I could think that it's 100% racially motivated, but without evidence the principle of charity demands that I assume he's making the strongest argument possible. My thoughts are subordinate to logic and reason, and without some proof that this is a statistical outlier merely disguised under the leaders-killed-in-effigy category, my thoughts must be assumed to be wrong if they deviate from that, stifled, and corrected.


Oh Christ. I didn't realize I was dealing with a Fair Witness.

The guy has a history of public bigotry.
 
2012-06-09 10:51:20 PM  

erveek: Dr. Mojo PhD: Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.

I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not going to convince you that this is racially motivated, and you're not going to convince me that this is completely devoid of racism.


The problem is is that when you take a view of the world that way, anything can be attributed to racism. Burning effigies goes WAY back in our history. Hanging these effigies is how it works. By assigning this as a racist event you are outright dismissing it cheaply. We've burned effigies of Bush. We've burned effigies of King George. Hell, we've burned effigies of Hillary Clinton. Those events were political statements against these people.

You are seeing what you want to believe without any regard for the truth. A southern pastor must ALWAYS be racist, right?
 
2012-06-09 10:59:36 PM  
Came here for a Photoshop of the pastor's mustache on a pic of Bevis (while he's saying "Fire! Fire!"). I am leaving with a disappoint.
 
2012-06-09 11:05:52 PM  
I feel a Bible burning coming up.
 
2012-06-09 11:08:11 PM  

cman: erveek: Dr. Mojo PhD: Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.

I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not going to convince you that this is racially motivated, and you're not going to convince me that this is completely devoid of racism.

The problem is is that when you take a view of the world that way, anything can be attributed to racism. Burning effigies goes WAY back in our history. Hanging these effigies is how it works. By assigning this as a racist event you are outright dismissing it cheaply. We've burned effigies of Bush. We've burned effigies of King George. Hell, we've burned effigies of Hillary Clinton. Those events were political statements against these people.

You are seeing what you want to believe without any regard for the truth. A southern pastor must ALWAYS be racist, right?


The guy has a history of public bigotry.

Then again, you'll defend literally anything so long as the person doing it hates the president.
 
2012-06-09 11:14:24 PM  

IlGreven: The thing that saddens me about the whole Terry Jones Quran-burning gesture is that some so-called YouTube atheists who are supposedly anti-religious pretty much cheered him on. These are basically the same "atheists" who thought up Draw Muhammad Day


So because the atheists call Islam out on its bullshiat like they do Christianity, you don't approve? So bashing Christianity is OK, but Islam is off limits?
 
2012-06-09 11:21:55 PM  

erveek: The guy has a history of public bigotry.


Indeed he does. It doesn't logically follow that every action he takes is de facto public bigotry, especially not when there's a more parsimonious explanation.

If humanity did not have a history of killing the effigies of people we didn't like, your reasoning would be sound. Humanity does have a history of doing that, however, and therefore his behaviour fits that pattern more than it fits the pattern of lynching actual people.

We can take scenario A:
P1. People have historically hanged leaders in effigy as a form of public disgust.
P2. Terry Jones hung Barack Obama in effigy.
C. Terry Jones hung Barack Obama in effigy as an expression of public disgust with his leadership.

Or we can take scenario B:
P1. People have historically lynched actual black people as a form of persecution.
P2. Terry Jones hung Barack Obama in effigy.
C. Terry Jones hung Barack Obama in effigy because he wants to kill actual black people but cannot find any and must use an effigy instead.

Scenario A is far more likely, especially considering the long list of non-blacks that have been hanged in effigy, such as Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Conservative MP Andrew Lansley, Charles de Gaulle (along with Ho Chi Minh), the Egyptian Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, Guy Fawkes (burning, not hanged), the Pope, etc., etc.

It's a tradition, it's rooted in tradition, and I find it incredible that Terry Jones, who has bluntly stated his moronic views before, would suddenly decide to communicate in air-tight code with a perfect disguise of following the above stated traditions of executing effigies of leaders but really only secretly did this because Obama is black.
 
2012-06-09 11:27:07 PM  

machoprogrammer: IlGreven: The thing that saddens me about the whole Terry Jones Quran-burning gesture is that some so-called YouTube atheists who are supposedly anti-religious pretty much cheered him on. These are basically the same "atheists" who thought up Draw Muhammad Day

So because the atheists call Islam out on its bullshiat like they do Christianity, you don't approve? So bashing Christianity is OK, but Islam is off limits?


Or more likely if you read what IlGreven is saying rather than what the voice that lives in your traumatic head injury is telling you he said, you'd know that his is a position that if you are ostensibly against religiously-motivated bigotry & persecution you should not therefore be cheering religiously-motivated bigotry & persecution.
 
2012-06-09 11:30:59 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Scenario A is far more likely


Probably Scenario A with a dash of unconscious(?) Scenario B.

Real question: why are we providing this moran with free publicity?
 
2012-06-09 11:34:26 PM  

cman: erveek: Dr. Mojo PhD: Given that lynching rarely involved killing the black person symbolically through an effigy, while lowbrow political criticism often involved killing a person symbolically through an effigy, I'm going to assume that it's safe to say that hanging a black leader in effigy has more to do with hanging a black leader in effigy than it does with hanging a black leader in effigy.

I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. I'm not going to convince you that this is racially motivated, and you're not going to convince me that this is completely devoid of racism.

The problem is is that when you take a view of the world that way, anything can be attributed to racism. Burning effigies goes WAY back in our history. Hanging these effigies is how it works. By assigning this as a racist event you are outright dismissing it cheaply. We've burned effigies of Bush. We've burned effigies of King George. Hell, we've burned effigies of Hillary Clinton. Those events were political statements against these people.

You are seeing what you want to believe without any regard for the truth. A southern pastor must ALWAYS be racist, right?


I get what you are saying and you're right but I don't think this is a case of true protest with this guy. I think pastor smalltime misses the cameras and all of the fame and followers and most importantly money that follow the cameras.

Remember when he was going to burn the Koran and then the State department said ok, don't do it for the sake of our boys over seas and he was all like. . . ok I won't burn it and just as the cameras were leaving he was all like "where are you guys going." and the camera men were like, " well since you aren't threatening the thin ice of our diplomatic relations with the few Islamic friends we have left you aren't news any more and he said, fark this and burned it anyway?

t3.gstatic.com

I agree with you on free expression but beyond a doubt but it's wasted on this attention hoar.
 
2012-06-10 12:06:21 AM  

cman: Isnt burning an effigy legal?


I am not sure what the point of this post is.
 
2012-06-10 12:19:47 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: erveek: The guy has a history of public bigotry.

Indeed he does. It doesn't logically follow that every action he takes is de facto public bigotry, especially not when there's a more parsimonious explanation.


I admire your ability to be generous with bigoted attention whores. Why aren't you a moderator?
 
2012-06-10 12:28:57 AM  

spongeboob: According to wiki Uncle Sam came into use around 1812, at that time blacks were still only 3/5 of people so yeah I am saying Uncle Sam can't be black.


This guy would like to have a word with you:

www.buffalo.com
 
2012-06-10 12:30:45 AM  

Edsel: spongeboob: According to wiki Uncle Sam came into use around 1812, at that time blacks were still only 3/5 of people so yeah I am saying Uncle Sam can't be black.

This guy would like to have a word with you:

[www.buffalo.com image 437x400]


That dude only has one hand. He can't be Uncle Sam.
 
2012-06-10 01:12:27 AM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Scenario A is far more likely, especially considering the long list of non-blacks that have been hanged in effigy, such as Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Conservative MP Andrew Lansley, Charles de Gaulle (along with Ho Chi Minh), the Egyptian Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, Guy Fawkes (burning, not hanged), the Pope, etc., etc.


Most of those were hung, then lit on fire, like a good effigy should be. Plus they're normally carted around with just a noose on their neck.

This guy made a gallows, just to string him up.

There's a thin line between the two. He crossed it.
 
2012-06-10 01:16:56 AM  

Serial: Dr. Mojo PhD: Scenario A is far more likely, especially considering the long list of non-blacks that have been hanged in effigy, such as Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Conservative MP Andrew Lansley, Charles de Gaulle (along with Ho Chi Minh), the Egyptian Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, Guy Fawkes (burning, not hanged), the Pope, etc., etc.

Most of those were hung, then lit on fire, like a good effigy should be. Plus they're normally carted around with just a noose on their neck.

This guy made a gallows, just to string him up.

There's a thin line between the two. He crossed it.


I think he grabbed a tar-baby on this one.
 
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