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2012-06-09 02:56:59 PM
11 votes:
Wait a sec...a woman went to donate a kidney, and they accidentally severed her aorta?

The guy's probably safer not getting a kidney than getting one from them!
2012-06-09 07:04:10 PM
6 votes:
It's not just they cut the aorta, but that they damaged the kidney as well.

So I have questions:

1. What would a doctor do after severing the descending aorta that would screw up the kidney? Bad cut? Medication?

2. There are two kidneys in most people, can a left be swapped for a right? Or does it have to be left to left, right to right when they are rotated?

3. How did they screw up both kidneys?

4. Who else in the hospital got a needed transplant that day?
2012-06-09 07:13:21 PM
4 votes:
FTA: "The hospital told the family that it had not yet gotten the necessary federal approval for Medina to leapfrog over others on the list."

Fark the feds. It's none of their business who gives a kidney to whom. If the purpose of the military is to defend this country, why isn't it attacking Washington?
2012-06-09 03:53:47 PM
4 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Maybe the problem is with UNOS, not the hospital that was trying to give this guy a kidney.


UNOS didn't sever his sister's aorta.

UNOS didn't lie to him.
2012-06-09 02:43:43 PM
4 votes:
Maybe the problem is with UNOS, not the hospital that was trying to give this guy a kidney.
2012-06-09 08:05:11 PM
3 votes:
I don't even know what to say. That is one of the most brutal ways I've ever seen somebody getting their life completely and utterly unnecessarily ruined.
Personally, that is a cheap shot I don't think I could overcome.

The hospital has to at least be responsible for the emotional games after his sister's murder.
2012-06-09 08:04:05 PM
3 votes:

davin: swahnhennessy: Bad enough that they cut her aorta while going for her kidney, but that they couldn't then even save it? They take those things off dead people all the time, yet they're unable to do so on a woman they've just killed. The kidney is right there. Heck, there's another one on the other side.

Cadaveric kidneys don't come from "dead" people in the cold and lying on the side of the road style as much as "dead" people with non-existant brain function in otherwise functioning bodies. An aortic tear can cause a rapid loss of blood pressure and therefore blood flow to the kidneys; In a live donor, repairing the aortic injury takes priority over the kidney procedure before the "live" donor becomes "cadaveric". The kidneys have a limited ischemic time (how long they will live without blood flow) before they become useless.


I was going to guess something along the same lines: Having made a critical life-threatening mistake, their first and only priority was keeping her alive, not ensuring the kidneys would be transplantable.
2012-06-09 07:49:31 PM
3 votes:

swahnhennessy: Bad enough that they cut her aorta while going for her kidney, but that they couldn't then even save it? They take those things off dead people all the time, yet they're unable to do so on a woman they've just killed. The kidney is right there. Heck, there's another one on the other side.


Cadaveric kidneys don't come from "dead" people in the cold and lying on the side of the road style as much as "dead" people with non-existant brain function in otherwise functioning bodies. An aortic tear can cause a rapid loss of blood pressure and therefore blood flow to the kidneys; In a live donor, repairing the aortic injury takes priority over the kidney procedure before the "live" donor becomes "cadaveric". The kidneys have a limited ischemic time (how long they will live without blood flow) before they become useless.
2012-06-09 07:36:04 PM
3 votes:

The_Fuzz: Is it possible they were putting a main line in her neck (for IV) and that is when they cut the aorta? My Wife had a transplant and got a main line. Not sure if that went in the aorta or not. I'm a geographer, not a... err... body mapping guy.


Not really. That's called a "central line", and goes into the internal jugular vein or the subclavian vein in the chest. Its technically a possibility, but an exceedingly rare complication to put that into the aorta.

Its almost impossible to really speculate on what happened because of the myriad possibilities - there definitely could be malpractice, but we certainly have no way of knowing at this point.
2012-06-09 07:21:12 PM
3 votes:
This guy and Yolanda's family deserve enough malpractice-lawsuit moolah to eat caviar off lingerie models on a private jet to Tahiti every day of their lives.
2012-06-09 07:19:39 PM
3 votes:
I'm currently working on my nursing degree, so I have taken an insane amount of Anatomy/Pathophysiology with human cadavers included. And I'm having trouble understanding how someone accidentally severes an aorta. That is kind of like taking out a small pocket knife to cut the little wire tag off of a new hose and accidentally slicing through the hose it self. So unless they were opening her up with a farking axe....I'm not seeing how this happened.

/Also, there is no way of mistaking the descending aorta with the renal vessels.
2012-06-09 07:15:04 PM
3 votes:
holy crap the sister got it the worse. a loving charitable act got her killed. it doesn't even say if they used any of her organs to benefit other patients.

this poor guy is going to get suicidal. that's farked up.
2012-06-09 04:02:22 PM
3 votes:
UNOS, the agency that oversees cadaver organ donations nationwide said Friday there is no "compassionate" exemption that allows jumping in line without a medical emergency - such as vein collapse stopping dialysis.

Unless of course you happen to be Steve Jobs. then you get whatever organs you need. Hell, with enough money you can even get FOUR kidneys implanted! and an extra bladder to handle the overflow.
2012-06-09 04:01:19 PM
3 votes:

FloydA: Wait a sec...a woman went to donate a kidney, and they accidentally severed her aorta?

The guy's probably safer not getting a kidney than getting one from them!


www.genesis-ultrasound.com
I'm not a doctor, but the descending aorta appears to be somewhat close to both kidneys... That being said, that's quite the slip up...
2012-06-09 02:56:15 PM
3 votes:
Hospital kills woman trying to donate kidney to her brother, then tells brother to pound sand "Hey! We found you another kidney and you'll be bumped to the top of the list, because we have so much compassion for you! LOL j/k the Feds say there's no such thing as compassionate exemption. No kidney for you.

Soooo.. were cool, right?
2012-06-09 09:11:37 PM
2 votes:

No Such Agency: Freud's Cigar:

Calm down there Mr. Cigar. There is the added awfulness that their prize pig of a medical fark-up killed not only someone's sister, but some poor kids' mom. I'd say it's salient due to the sheer amount of trauma caused.


Sorry. I still don't get it. Donor Wife Dies, Donor Daughter Dies, Donor Sister Dies, Donor Taxpayer Dies, Donor Coworker Dies, Donor Best Friend Dies, you get the picture. I'm not saying her kids won't be devastated, I just don't get why popping out kids is the benchmark in this story and so many others.

Or is it just that "mom" has three letters and fits in better--takes up less space.

Frankly, if I had ever had kids, I'd hate to see my definition summed up simply in my reproductive history.
2012-06-09 09:08:08 PM
2 votes:
Article: surgeons fark up bad

Fark comments section: OMG STUPID REPUBLICANS AND WE NEED SOCIALIZED MEDICINE
2012-06-09 07:58:37 PM
2 votes:

DrPainMD: FTA: "The hospital told the family that it had not yet gotten the necessary federal approval for Medina to leapfrog over others on the list."

Fark the feds. It's none of their business who gives a kidney to whom. If the purpose of the military is to defend this country, wy isn't it attacking Washington?


Then who's decision is it? You can choose to donate your kidney to whoever you want, but if you are an organ donor and due then someone's got to make the choice. The screw UPS here are all on the hospital. They killed his sister and then promised him something they couldn't deliver in hopes of not being sued.

Its not the feds job to make up for dr's fark UPS
2012-06-09 07:54:06 PM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Maybe the problem is with UNOS, not the hospital that was trying to give this guy a kidney.


UNOS wasn't the one who botched the sister's operation.

Lawsuitalarity should ensue, if it hasn't already.
2012-06-09 07:32:08 PM
2 votes:
How is it this guy and his sister's family dont't own that hospital

In other words...

Inchoate: This guy and Yolanda's family deserve enough malpractice-lawsuit moolah to eat caviar off lingerie models on a private jet to Tahiti every day of their lives.


This.
2012-06-09 07:25:27 PM
2 votes:
So let me get this straight....
It is better to wake up in a bathtub filled with ice down in Mexico than it is to go under the knife in the Bronx?
2012-06-09 07:24:22 PM
2 votes:

Death_Poot: About time to call a lawyer, I'm not normally for playing the "litto lotto", but this guy got screwed 7 ways to Sunday


Under the new Republican-friendly "tort reform" laws, he'd be entitied to no more than anyone with, say, a mysterious "pain all over that's making my life unbearable" or "my failed treatment turned me into a lesbian nympho" - i.e. $250K lifetime.

Keep that in mind when "business-friendly tort reform" is discussed.
2012-06-09 07:00:27 PM
2 votes:

Death_Poot: About time to call a lawyer, I'm not normally for playing the "litto lotto", but this guy got screwed 7 ways to Sunday


I'd agree...normally I'm not one for lawsuits, but if anyone deserves to have one in his favor, I think it's this guy and his family...
2012-06-09 06:58:39 PM
2 votes:
About time to call a lawyer, I'm not normally for playing the "litto lotto", but this guy got screwed 7 ways to Sunday
2012-06-09 04:00:40 PM
2 votes:

kronicfeld: BarkingUnicorn: Maybe the problem is with UNOS, not the hospital that was trying to give this guy a kidney.

UNOS didn't sever his sister's aorta.

UNOS didn't lie to him.


but they'll kill him just the same.
2012-06-09 03:03:15 PM
2 votes:

FloydA: Wait a sec...a woman went to donate a kidney, and they accidentally severed her aorta?


{cough}{cough}teaching hospital{cough}

Hey, we have to train doctors somehow. And you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs...
2012-06-10 01:16:11 AM
1 votes:

namatad: Oldiron_79: automatically

fark opt out
your dead, we people get your organs. period

your religion requires you to have all your parts? fine.
but you are permanently banned from every receiving organs


Hmmm ... maybe if there were something like organ banks ... perhaps criminals sentenced to the death penalty would have their organs harvested .... perhaps organlegging might be a problem.
2012-06-10 12:41:32 AM
1 votes:
The other kidney is not an issue.

What''s important is, and what really must be discussed, is the central theme of conern of most hospitals that see these kinds of issue, in that, in and of themselves, doctors and patients have a unique relationship, one of a caregiver and one of a kind of a kind of advoctate for their own health care in a hospital or outpaitient setting wherein the patient themselves is more often than not the subject of a kind of intensive scrutiny of sorts by not only that person's health care provider but moreover one of the medical community at large, which in these cases is often decided at a time when the patient may or may not be ready to actually discuss issues central to their care with the doctor or caregiver of their choice, depending on insurance coverage or lack thereof, meaning that in the majority of these cases, people can and do find themselves short an organ or two. It happens.
2012-06-10 12:41:00 AM
1 votes:

foo monkey: RoyBatty: It's not just they cut the aorta, but that they damaged the kidney as well.

So I have questions:

1. What would a doctor do after severing the descending aorta that would screw up the kidney? Bad cut? Medication?

2. There are two kidneys in most people, can a left be swapped for a right? Or does it have to be left to left, right to right when they are rotated?

3. How did they screw up both kidneys?

4. Who else in the hospital got a needed transplant that day?

Excellent question. What happened to her other kidney?


Organs likely rendered untransplantable by all the medical measures they had to take to try and save her life.
2012-06-09 09:59:47 PM
1 votes:

FloydA: Nabb1: namatad: Paris1127: FloydA: Wait a sec...a woman went to donate a kidney, and they accidentally severed her aorta?

The guy's probably safer not getting a kidney than getting one from them!

[www.genesis-ultrasound.com image 400x320]
I'm not a doctor, but the descending aorta appears to be somewhat close to both kidneys... That being said, that's quite the slip up...

on the other hand, from that picture, the descending aorta is GIGANTIC.

I'll have to ask my wife about this when she gets home in while. This is her bailiwick, not mine.


How close is that to the kidney? I'd hate to have my bailiwick accidentally severed!


Nearly as bad as getting stabbed in the rotunda?! Poor, poor Caesar...
2012-06-09 09:18:32 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: cman: Article: surgeons fark up bad

Fark comments section: OMG STUPID REPUBLICANS AND WE NEED SOCIALIZED MEDICINE

Do you really expect that many people to know how these things do unfortunately happen, or how to analyze the "standard of care" issue for assessing whether any malpractice was committed? Of course, any idiot could have looked up this hospital and found that not only is it extremely reputable, but also non-profit before automatically vomiting up irrelevant nonsense about "for-profit healthcare," but this, as you said, is FARK...


I'm sorry, I missed your point. Are you saying you hate anti Republican posts or do you hate the idea of every American having healthcare which can still be provided through for-profit hospitals?
2012-06-09 09:09:00 PM
1 votes:

ph0rk: studebaker hoch: I Like Bread

Remind me again why we are only allowed to give away our organs to complete strangers...?

If selling them were allowed, only the super-rich would ever get transplants. Plus everybody would have like three extra kids so they could "accidentally" be killed in accidents, their organs sold, and the family gets a new ski boat.

Spare part babies. Don't people already do this for sick children?


Savior Siblings. For some reason this horrifies me.
2012-06-09 08:47:08 PM
1 votes:
Freud's Cigar:
Saw an article on this story with headline something like "Donor Mom Dies on Operating Table". Can someone explain to me why they kept referring to her throughout the story as "mom" this and "mom" that. She wasn't trying to donate to her kid, she was trying to donate to her sibling. What the fark does her uterine status have to do with it? Does brother have kids? Why aren't we hearing about him as "Dad Still Needs Kidney" or whatever.

I don't really understand why news articles always hype the mom status. The only other time you see that kind of thing is "mental patient runs amok" or "mental patient wins prize despite drool" or whatever.


Calm down there Mr. Cigar. There is the added awfulness that their prize pig of a medical fark-up killed not only someone's sister, but some poor kids' mom. I'd say it's salient due to the sheer amount of trauma caused.
2012-06-09 08:38:06 PM
1 votes:
Saw an article on this story with headline something like "Donor Mom Dies on Operating Table". Can someone explain to me why they kept referring to her throughout the story as "mom" this and "mom" that. She wasn't trying to donate to her kid, she was trying to donate to her sibling. What the fark does her uterine status have to do with it? Does brother have kids? Why aren't we hearing about him as "Dad Still Needs Kidney" or whatever.

I don't really understand why news articles always hype the mom status. The only other time you see that kind of thing is "mental patient runs amok" or "mental patient wins prize despite drool" or whatever.
2012-06-09 08:13:41 PM
1 votes:
There is WAY more to this story.
The hospital has a lot to answer for, but the article is lacking in any real information. Also, the "feds" stopped the transplant? Did the FBI come in and make them stop everything? UNOS is a national organization, but its not like the executive branch or congress have anything to do with it on a case-by-case basis. Nice job by the Post planting that "the government wont let me have a kidney!" idea though.

There arehundreds of reasons why this guy may not have been eligable for a kidney from a random donor. A directed donation (from family usually) is a whole seperate track and process (with respect to red tape).

Also, getting a tattoo as a dialysis patient? Dont trust this article at all.
2012-06-09 07:55:21 PM
1 votes:
Not surprised at all. From my experiences with hospitals, I refuse to go anymore unless I feel I'm next door to death (internal organs in my lap, bleeding from eyes, severed limbs, etc.). At that point I really don't care any more if I live or die so if the useless monkeys screw up and off me, fark it.
2012-06-09 07:53:50 PM
1 votes:

vpb: At least it wasn't socialized medicine.


Obviously doctors no longer give a shiat about providing quality care because they know in 18 months Obamacare will kick in. We all know whose fault this is.
2012-06-09 07:40:10 PM
1 votes:

Death_Poot: About time to call a lawyer, I'm not normally for playing the "litto lotto", but this guy got screwed 7 ways to Sunday


They're probably hoping he'll be dead by then.

This story is really just too much fail for words...
2012-06-09 07:37:58 PM
1 votes:
Jeeze, don't be so damn cheap. Just get in your jet and jet over to China a BUY one. Isn't that the way it's done? Oh, not a 1%er? Sorry. Life's short buddy



can't stand it much longer sorry
2012-06-09 07:34:38 PM
1 votes:
Bad enough that they cut her aorta while going for her kidney, but that they couldn't then even save it? They take those things off dead people all the time, yet they're unable to do so on a woman they've just killed. The kidney is right there. Heck, there's another one on the other side.
2012-06-09 07:24:20 PM
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: holy crap the sister got it the worse. a loving charitable act got her killed. it doesn't even say if they used any of her organs to benefit other patients.


They're not allowed to, too much chance of some corrupt doctor "accidentally" killing live donors to get multiple organs instead of just the one being donated.

/not allowed to know if the patient is really an organ donor until they die, for the same reason
2012-06-09 07:22:31 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Hospital kills woman trying to donate kidney to her brother, then tells brother to pound sand "Hey! We found you another kidney and you'll be bumped to the top of the list, because we have so much compassion for you! LOL j/k the Feds say there's no such thing as compassionate exemption. No kidney for you.

Soooo.. were cool, right?


Probably more along the lines of "This is your bill"
2012-06-09 07:18:05 PM
1 votes:
well th-aorta seen that coming.
2012-06-09 07:16:55 PM
1 votes:
It's unacceptable that they killed that woman on the operating table.

/do no harm
2012-06-09 07:11:31 PM
1 votes:

Rozinante: Ed Finnerty: "Pounding sand" sounds like a great way to chafe one's penis.

[That's the joke]


I was under the impression it referred to pounding with one's feet.
2012-06-09 07:08:15 PM
1 votes:
Go in and kill the hospital administrators. Plenty of organs for everyone.
2012-06-09 07:06:52 PM
1 votes:
Profit driven "healthcare" strikes again.
2012-06-09 05:31:05 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: FloydA: Wait a sec...a woman went to donate a kidney, and they accidentally severed her aorta?

{cough}{cough}teaching hospital{cough}

Hey, we have to train doctors somehow. And you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs...


Was it this guy?

legacy-cdn.smosh.com

Word has it he is a bad doctor.
2012-06-09 04:52:23 PM
1 votes:

namatad: Paris1127: FloydA: Wait a sec...a woman went to donate a kidney, and they accidentally severed her aorta?

The guy's probably safer not getting a kidney than getting one from them!

[www.genesis-ultrasound.com image 400x320]
I'm not a doctor, but the descending aorta appears to be somewhat close to both kidneys... That being said, that's quite the slip up...

on the other hand, from that picture, the descending aorta is GIGANTIC.


I'll have to ask my wife about this when she gets home in while. This is her bailiwick, not mine.
2012-06-09 03:52:43 PM
1 votes:
I don't think the hospital administrators thought their cunning plan all the way through.
2012-06-09 03:47:59 PM
1 votes:
Typical private healthcare system...
2012-06-09 03:15:00 PM
1 votes:
Best health care in the world.
 
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