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2012-06-09 04:47:39 PM
Fire stations- the second biggest racket in the US.
 
2012-06-09 04:48:33 PM
But taint size is getting laaaaaarger
 
2012-06-09 04:51:28 PM

BigLuca: But taint size is getting laaaaaarger


Oops. Smaller. I meant smaller. Ctrl-F "anus" on that article to find the relevant part.
 
2012-06-09 04:53:18 PM
Maybe fire deaths are lower because there are more and better trained firemen?
 
2012-06-09 04:53:59 PM
They are spraying babies with flame-retardant before they release them from the hospital
 
2012-06-09 04:58:13 PM

eekmale: Maybe fire deaths are lower because there are more and better trained firemen?


Right?

I love how people look at society and say "oh this is fine the way it is" and tear down the institutions and practices that got us there in the first place.
 
2012-06-09 05:00:14 PM
The author should do a little research.
1) Nearly 3/4 of the fire services are still volunteer. It is getting harder to convince people to do this shiat for free, so every year you need more paid firefighters.
2) The majority of our calls are not house fires. They are car wrecks, and emergency medical calls. We have the same level of training as the paid departments do.
It is great that fewer people are dying in fires, but that does not equate to not needing funding.
Also, Check your smoke detectors. They really do save lives.
 
2012-06-09 05:01:16 PM

eekmale: Maybe fire deaths are lower because there are more and better trained firemen?


And maybe its because we no longer live in the 19th century when everything was made out of napalm and wood.
 
2012-06-09 05:02:48 PM
And maybe fewer people are smoking, so fewer people are smoking in bed and falling asleep.

/thus foiling Darwin
 
2012-06-09 05:12:14 PM

BigLuca: But taint size is getting laaaaaarger


I really don't have any response to that.
 
2012-06-09 05:20:14 PM
Nice y axis scaling.
 
2012-06-09 05:25:32 PM
But we can still tell people to suck a bag of dicks.
 
2012-06-09 05:25:38 PM

Nattering Nabob: The author should do a little research.
1) Nearly 3/4 of the fire services are still volunteer. It is getting harder to convince people to do this shiat for free, so every year you need more paid firefighters.
2) The majority of our calls are not house fires. They are car wrecks, and emergency medical calls. We have the same level of training as the paid departments do.
It is great that fewer people are dying in fires, but that does not equate to not needing funding.
Also, Check your smoke detectors. They really do save lives.


Exactly.

I live next to the Oregon Dunes National Recreational Area. Every sunny weekend we hear the rescue squad going to pick up some meathead who pushed his quad too hard.
The firefighters, we joke that the only fires they face are the ones they set for practice.
 
2012-06-09 05:29:47 PM

TravisBickle62: They are spraying babies with flame-retardant before they release them from the hospital


Not to mention rustproofing. This is why you always check the bill before you pay it. Otherwise, you get burned.
 
2012-06-09 05:32:11 PM
My wife's friend lost three of her children in a house fire this year. Not getting a kick...
 
2012-06-09 05:35:28 PM

LockeOak: Nice y axis scaling.


This.

Be suspicious of any graph with missing details.
 
2012-06-09 05:37:05 PM
images.wikia.com
"You don't say!?!?!?"
 
2012-06-09 06:09:17 PM

Precision Boobery: TravisBickle62: They are spraying babies with flame-retardant before they release them from the hospital

Not to mention rustproofing. This is why you always check the bill before you pay it. Otherwise, you get burned.


we learned the hard way. next time, we're getting our babies undercoated as well. the long term savings really offset the initial up-front expense.
 
2012-06-09 06:28:44 PM
than they were ten or forty years ago when the state of the built environment made fires a more pressing problem.

To say nothing of the fact that there are virtually NO fires from Smoking In Bed

I remember that was always mentioned as a cause on the local news along with admonishments to eschew the practice.

Yeah, get off my friggin lawn
 
2012-06-09 07:06:13 PM
Buildings and furniture aren't made from sawdust and guncotton any more. Children's pajamas aren't made from kerosene-soaked mummy bandages either. Firemen aren't why there are fewer deaths from fire.

I'm curious as to why ladder trucks arrive on the scene of an accident. Seems like it just makes traffic worse.
 
2012-06-09 07:19:14 PM
Firefighters are cool AND necessary.
This does not need ANY pigs!!!
 
2012-06-09 07:29:43 PM
It must be the words of Sweet Brown that has saved so many...
 
2012-06-09 07:31:00 PM

mccallcl: Buildings and furniture aren't made from sawdust and guncotton any more. Children's pajamas aren't made from kerosene-soaked mummy bandages either. Firemen aren't why there are fewer deaths from fire.

I'm curious as to why ladder trucks arrive on the scene of an accident. Seems like it just makes traffic worse.


You mostly see this in city or metro area departments. It's all a matter of traditional workload distribution. Traditionally the Ladder companies were the ones who's job it was to go in and rescue people from fires. The Engine companies had their hands full stretching the hose lines, finding the seat of the fire and putting it out. Before the Jaws of Life existed, the only tools the fire department really had at its disposal were pry bars, axes, saws with metal cutting blades and, if you could get a set, the sort of hand pump operated hydraulic spreaders auto body shops used (Blackhawk Tools made them), and an assortment of tools for busting open the doors of buildings. Since the Ladder company guys usually had all the forcible entry tools and saws for cutting vent holes in roofs, along with all these other useful tools (and most engines were full of hose, water and a heavy pump and all the miscellaneous crap to work with that stuff) it made sense that the ladder truck should bring those tools to car accidents and use their experience using the tools to do that job. When the hydraulic extrication equipment like Hurst's Jaws of Life came on board, it was very pricy. Most cities could only afford a couple of sets. Typically a city has about three engines for every one ladder, and those ladder company guys already had the experience getting people out of wrecks, so it made sense that the one set of Jaws you could afford went on the ladder truck. Some places already had, or established in response to the growing vehicle accident problem, a separate Rescue Company or Squad to do special operations like complex rescues and entrapments, so in those cases, those companies got the Jaws.

But it really depends on the particulars of your fire department and it's traditions. Places with 100 + years of tradition unimpeded by progress, will send a ladder truck to car accidents. Areas with less historical hangups might send a rescue-engine that combines the capabilities of an engine and light rescue capabilities. Around me, you get an engine, a rescue truck, an ambulance, and some sort of utility truck that is mostly used as a well-lit steel barrier to keep the rubberneckers from driving over the firefighters the way they like to.
 
2012-06-09 07:32:42 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fire stations- the second biggest racket in the US.


Shame on you people. He just wanted one person to bite and you've kept him waiting hours. Fine, I'll do it.

Ahem.

The second biggest, you say, Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom? Whatever might be the biggest?
 
2012-06-09 08:06:01 PM

KrispyKritter: Precision Boobery: TravisBickle62: They are spraying babies with flame-retardant before they release them from the hospital

Not to mention rustproofing. This is why you always check the bill before you pay it. Otherwise, you get burned.

we learned the hard way. next time, we're getting our babies undercoated as well. the long term savings really offset the initial up-front expense.



www.homevideos.com
It's installed at the factory.
 
2012-06-09 08:31:35 PM
"As you can see from this 4-year-old data graph, there was a HUGE drop...about 1...in fire deaths each year. Thus fires are a myth, no more firefighters are needed, kthxbye."
 
2012-06-09 09:00:18 PM

MrFi5ter: [images.wikia.com image 500x281]
"You don't say!?!?!?"


So much this
 
2012-06-09 09:34:49 PM

Marcintosh: than they were ten or forty years ago when the state of the built environment made fires a more pressing problem.

To say nothing of the fact that there are virtually NO fires from Smoking In Bed

I remember that was always mentioned as a cause on the local news along with admonishments to eschew the practice.

Yeah, get off my friggin lawn


Most of the people I know won't smoke indoors any more because of kids, non-smoking guests and the fact that it if you go to sell your house you cut your pool of buyers down by 50-80%. if a potential non-smoking buyer can smell smoke in your house you've probably lost the sale.

it's pretty much impossible to get rid of the stink of tobacco quickly. Oh, you may THINK it's gone if you stop smoking inside for a few weeks but a non-smoker whose sense of smell hasn't been killed by smoking can smell it MONTHS afterwards.

Not to mention electrical and building codes have been tightened up considerably over the past 30 years.
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No more aluminum wiring. Better plugs and sockets. Everything electrical here is UL/CSA approved.

The firefighters around my part of the country respond mostly to rescuing victims of car crashes. The only downside is that they tend to hold up traffic long after the ambulance has left filling out paperwork or something.
 
2012-06-09 09:59:31 PM
I'm a nurse on a burn unit, so I'm getting a kick...

I don't understand why this graph isn't comparing overall instances of fire? A decline in fire deaths is also a result of significant advances in burn treatment, even in just the last five-ten years with soldiers coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
2012-06-10 07:08:36 AM
Apparently 12 deaths per million is the socially acceptable mortality rate. I guess we can stop wasting our money trying to prevent drowning, TB, and the flu.
 
2012-06-10 11:42:24 AM
I love how people think there is suggesting data, like this, showing 1 less death per million from 4 years of statistics. It means absolutely nothing -nothing is ever a constant. Welcome to reality.
Furthermore, the author drags politics into it. DIAF!!
 
2012-06-10 11:46:16 AM
Correction: 5 years. Now that's totally conclusive.

The author clearly supports so much of the title's message...
 
2012-06-10 08:12:27 PM

mccallcl: Buildings and furniture aren't made from sawdust and guncotton any more. Children's pajamas aren't made from kerosene-soaked mummy bandages either. Firemen aren't why there are fewer deaths from fire.

I'm curious as to why ladder trucks arrive on the scene of an accident. Seems like it just makes traffic worse.


Fuel loads in structures are far larger than in the past. Replace cotton and natural fibers with petroleum based synthetics and homes burn hotter and faster. They do however burn less often because of stricter building standards, less smoking and safer electrical products.


Ladder Trucks often show up to accidents for two reasons. First, they carry the tools and staffing necessary to cut cars up to remove hurt people. The second reason is they make great barriers to keep idiot looky-loos from driving into firemen.
 
2012-06-10 08:40:54 PM

chetbango: Fuel loads in structures are far larger than in the past. Replace cotton and natural fibers with petroleum based synthetics and homes burn hotter and faster. They do however burn less often because of stricter building standards, less smoking and safer electrical products.


Engineered lumber also contributes to the faster flash-over. It has advantages, of course, being stronger, using less wood, being lighter and thus easier to install. But the far greater ratio of surface area to mass burns faster, and the thin wood pieces lead to catastrophic failure of the truss. Ironically, while commercial roof trusses are much safer in fires than they used to be, since the prohibition on new wooden bow-string trusses, residential roof trusses are becoming more dangerous in fires with the popularisation of engineered lumber.
 
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