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2012-06-09 10:42:01 PM

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.


Really?

So when we were trying to feed the people in Mogadishu which Aidid did not approve of as he was trying to control all food and water in the city... then we were just another foreign invading army? That's your story? Really? Dude... fark you. And fark every one of you losers who sit there behind your computers never having served but being all high and mighty about what horrible people Marines (and other soldiers) are.

Honestly. I've had enough. I despise T-partiers because they claim that veterans are the same as welfare queens. And then the Leftie's who claim that anyone who was stupid enough to join the military gets what they deserve. It's too late to save my husband. But I'll farking turn tricks on the street before I let my sons join the military. My eldest graduated high school today. He feels he should do his time in service for his country. I'm trying to get him to go to fire fighter's school. At least then while you all would still hate him for getting fat on your tax dollars. Hopefully he won't be totally messed up because of what he has to do.
 
2012-06-09 10:43:06 PM

poe_zlaw: KiplingKat872: poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.

And signing up for the military is voluntary, what happens after that largely is not. Service personell do not get to "opt out" of deployments without taking a dishonerable discharge which would cling to their employment record for the rest of their lives.

And the Stop Loss program ensured that the men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan saw longer tours of duty then soldiers saw in WWII.

So blaming them for the invasion of Iraq is just ignorant and spiteful.

Bush and Co. bear the entire blame for Iraq.

Now if you can't muster up some sympathy for someone coping with horrors you can't imagine, then j ...

You're right. I apologize and promise to change my ways. There. You are officially the first person on the internet to win an argument.


Sorry I came down so hard. I understand the anger, believe me I do. I'm just saying that these people are not the right target for that anger.
 
2012-06-09 11:05:21 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Every soldier deserves a puppy. Puppies make it easier to get females to have sex with you. And sex almost always makes everything better..


Puppies definitely make it easier to get laid. Sometimes I like the touch of a woman, though.
 
2012-06-09 11:07:16 PM

poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.


You do realize that a good chunk insurgents weren't even Iraqis right?

There are many stories of insurgents being recruited in other countries being told they were getting hired for a job only to find out once they made it totheir destination they were forced to fight or never go home. One such "insurgent" that was encountered during one of my husband's deployment had been drugged and he found himself duct taped to the driver's side of a car with the bomb inside. Luckily the bomb did not go off and the man survived. Countless stories of "insurgents" forced to fight because their families had been kidnapped and were threatened with the death of their families if they didn't.

And yes, there were legit groups who participated willingly.

Some groups only attacked Iraqi targets, fighting because they believed their interests would not be be represented in the new Shia government.

Some groups saw it as a new Jihad.

There was even a division between foreign and Iraqi insurgents, each with different agendas and different targets....some groups even turning on each other.

Additionally, the military has also been able to peg fighters who have migrated from Iraq to Afghanistan. So this is nor merely contained to Iraq.

I would suggest you do some research and read on how complex the insurgency really is in Iraq. Even with our withdrawal from Iraq, "insurgents"will continue to fight. This is more than about more than "the evil Americans are in Iraq". Once you understand that, the veil of ignorance will be lifted. They have thousands of years of such turmoil in the region. History has taught us as much. The only people who will be able to sort this out are the citizens themselves -- for good or bad.

So I ask you, would you have rather Saddam stayed in power and kill countless of his own citizens, forcing them to join the Ba'athist party or be subject to torture, abuse or even death? Or would you have it as it is now, where they have a chance to try and sort it out? Is it ideal all the way around, no, but for how bad things are now, they were much, much worse under Saddam. It is just going to take time.

One interesting conversation that my husband had with an older Iraqi gentleman said the biggest hurdle for the country will be the generation gap. Saddam had been in power for so long, that newer generations coming up had known nothing BUT Saddam's power and that the older generations, such as himself, were a dying breed (so to speak). They remember what it was like before Saddam at a time where they had more freedoms. Clerics did not rule on many civil matters. Yes, some of that carried over under Saddam's regime, but you often walked a right rope with your life if you tried to speak out against Saddam or the ruling party. The man said the younger generations will not know how to act with new found freedom and those who hold any kind of power left to remain in Iraq will make power grabs and try to the younger generations. He said it could go very well or horribly bad. And yes, the man was happy to see Saddam removed from power.

Personally, do I think we went about things the right way with Iraq? No. I saw a lot of things wrong that our government did. But the men and women who served there and in Afghanistan have done jobs to the best of their ability and did it quite well in many cases. They aren't baby killers. They aren't out butchering women. Do women and children die in war? Yes. So do men. It is an unavoidable fact. Does this make soldiers evil and deserving of their injuries and pain? No.

People love to hate on soldiers and the military. They can't differentiate between acts of the government and the policies they enact from the man who fights on the front line. I'm not trying to glorify the military, but there are many benefits to serving in the military -- personal discipline and responsibility, education, and so on. However, with that is the sad truth you are sometimes required to pick up a weapon and fight... and not always for the causes or agendas that are popular, either. Some would love to see our military dismantled. And I will tell you, until our foreign policy as a nation changes drastically, the military will always be needed. And soldiers will continue to be over-worked, over-deployed, stressed to their limit because our country's foreign policy is writing a check we can't cover. They will continue to come home broken and with scars that will never heal.

Here's a great quote that I often leave with people that question whether or not we need a military:

"Though a soldier in time of peace is like a chimney in summer, yet what wise man would pluck down his chimney because his almanac told him it was the middle of June." -Tom Brown

We will always need a standing military. The world is not utopia and there will be threats and war on this earth so long as someone wants something that someone else has. It is a fact of life.

What we do with our military rests solely with all of us as citizens of this country. We look at the bigger picture, vote into office the people that will help take care of the things that matter here at home (jobs, education), who will address and change our foreign policy and who will take a stand for what is right in the best interest of our country upon the principles of the Constitution and not the almighty dollar that lines their pockets. We created this mess. As someone said earlier, the blood is on ALL our hands. Blaming a group of soldiers that joined -- yes, volunteered (service, education, etc) -- to serve their country on good faith is just plain wrong when we are all to blame after decades of horrible decisions and foreign policy. I tell you what though, if they ever re-institute the draft, THEN most of you will give a shiat about how our government does business with other countries. Saying, "well it's his fault because he volunteered and is to blame" won't be the cop out stance of your argument anymore.
 
2012-06-09 11:20:22 PM

phoxxy: poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.

You do realize that a good chunk insurgents weren't even Iraqis right?

There are many stories of insurgents being recruited in other countries being told they were getting hired for a job only to find out once they made it totheir destination they were forced to fight or never go home. One such "insurgent" that was encountered during one of my husband's deployment had been drugged and he found himself duct taped to the driver's side of a car with the bomb inside. Luckily the bomb did not go off and the man survived. Countless stories of "insurgents" forced to fight because their families had been kidnapped an ...


DUDE!! i already apologized and said Ive changed my ways. Please take all this back. tldr anyways.
 
2012-06-09 11:46:05 PM

poe_zlaw: DUDE!! i already apologized and said Ive changed my ways. Please take all this back. tldr anyways.


Because reading is so damn hard.

No one is saying you shouldn't be angry. Your anger is just very misplaced.

Fark... *I* am angry. My husband is broke. We have lost time together as a family. I am constantly under stress because I have to bare the burden of so many things because my husband is unable to cope or handle them. I am the shield for our children so I get the brunt of all his anger and frustration... depression and sadness... so my children don't have to go through what *I* did growing up with MY father who is a Vietnam vet with PTSD. Of course I'm pissed. And I'm disappointed because 20 years ago I saw this shiat was going to happen because people can't get their heads out of their asses long enough to care enough beyond what gratifies them in the moment.

For as pissed and angry as I am, I sure as hell am NOT blaming my husband or his counterparts because they chose to serve their country.
 
2012-06-09 11:52:42 PM

poe_zlaw: phoxxy: poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.

You do realize that a good chunk insurgents weren't even Iraqis right?

There are many stories of insurgents being recruited in other countries being told they were getting hired for a job only to find out once they made it totheir destination they were forced to fight or never go home. One such "insurgent" that was encountered during one of my husband's deployment had been drugged and he found himself duct taped to the driver's side of a car with the bomb inside. Luckily the bomb did not go off and the man survived. Countless stories of "insurgents" forced to fight because their families had been kidnapped an ...

DUDE!! i already apologized and said Ive changed my ways. Please take all this back. tldr anyways.


My WWII veteran father-in-law says "you're welcome". Now fark off.
 
2012-06-10 12:00:53 AM

KidneyStone: What the I don't even.


And THAT's why we're in this mess.
 
2012-06-10 12:20:34 AM
phoxxy:

Please know, thousands more will read what you wrote than will respond. It was eloquent and necessary.

Thank you!
 
2012-06-10 12:23:54 AM
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2012-06-10 01:43:40 AM

DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.


The nearest tall building is right down the street. I'd urge you to give it a try. Jumping is a great cure for assholery.
 
2012-06-10 04:24:19 AM

phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.

There is no point to arguing with a troll like this, KidneyStone. He's uneducated and just looking for a rise. Ignore and drive on.


Is he doing any cognitive/behavioral therapy or support groups? My mom runs the post-trauma program for the West LA VA Hospital. EIP if you have any questions.
 
2012-06-10 06:52:32 AM

phoxxy: He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.


Yes, I often find a little pussy has the same effect on me.
 
2012-06-10 06:57:58 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: The ones on my shoulders liked to lick my earlobes and neck in a motherly manner. Never did it when I was happy or with anyone else.


They thought you might be suicidal and were giving you a bit of the ol' pre-taste.

/ok I think the human is about to become food
//which sauce to use?
///I dunno, let's sample him and decide
 
2012-06-10 08:22:42 AM

poe_zlaw: Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.


Then go over and help them fight against us. You are either so mind-boggling stupid that you had to be taught to breath or so woefully uneducated that any opinion might hold is completely laughable. In either instance, I still support your right to say these things if only because it helps me identify you as the complete waste of carbon that you are.
 
2012-06-10 10:22:29 AM
...it's hay fever season.
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2012-06-10 11:21:03 AM

Nogale: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).


Is he doing any cognitive/behavioral therapy or support groups? My mom runs the post-trauma program for the West LA VA Hospital. EIP if you have any questions.


Yes, he has a therapist he sees through the VA, but they don't schedule him on a regular basis like they should. He is trying to get his primary doctor of record changed because she is an absolute moron and determines one minute he's diabetic and going to die (by looking at a blood test from THREE years ago that nurse practitioners and another doctor said needed to be retaken because there was a mixup) and the next she's telling him his shoulder injury is all in his head despite xrays and MRIs that say otherwise. When my husband calls in to report issues, most people peg that he has Dr. Cho before he even utters it and advocate that he change his primary doctor.

He goes for most things here locally through a smaller VA clinic, but if there is any major we have to drive to Illinois to get anything done. Don't get me started about the morons in Indianapolis. Things drastically improved once they were able to start seeing him through the Danville VA. And that took him 5 years before they would let him switch to Danville. One of the other reasons for the switch is that having to drive 80+ miles to and from really eats up the gas. Had we kept going to Indy, they wouldn't have paid for his gas for travel with the plethora of appointments he has had. By switching to Danville, it is the same distance, but in another state, so the VA covers gas expenses for his combat injury related appointments (injuries from the mortar blast, PTSD, etc). And that helps a ton. Plus the people aren't complete dipshiats there and it doesn't take 3 years to get an MRI done because of "scheduling issues" or the machine is broken either.
 
2012-06-10 03:35:41 PM

erewhon: Keizer_Ghidorah: The ones on my shoulders liked to lick my earlobes and neck in a motherly manner. Never did it when I was happy or with anyone else.

They thought you might be suicidal and were giving you a bit of the ol' pre-taste.

/ok I think the human is about to become food
//which sauce to use?
///I dunno, let's sample him and decide


They'd be stuck in the cage if I had decided to end it, so no human for them. But the image of them gazing longingly at my corpse with tiny forks and knives and tubs of sauce is amusing.

My gold-furred boy named Lumine was weird. If he was on my shoulder he'd never fail to start poking and licking at my cheek until I turned my head to him, then start pulling on my lips until I opened my mouth, and then climb halfway inside to give my teeth and cheeks an inspection. Even right after I brushed he'd do it, apparently he was a dentist in a past life and the smell of wintergreen didn't bother him.

/was also the most affectionate of the group
//miss you lots, Lumine ;_;
 
2012-06-10 04:41:50 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Every soldier deserves a puppy. Puppies make it easier to get females to have sex with you. And sex almost always makes everything better..

Puppies definitely make it easier to get laid. Sometimes I like the touch of a woman, though.


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