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(CNN)   A program matches veterans suffering from PTSD with dogs who help them get used to being in social situations again. Tag is for pretty much everyone in this story: the vets, the trainers, and most definitely the dogs   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2012-06-09 05:29:04 PM  
yay for hero dogs!

Link
 
2012-06-09 05:47:24 PM  
Are the dogs also suffering from PTSD?
 
2012-06-09 05:48:58 PM  
This whole "hero" thing every time someone in the military gets mentioned is getting kind of old. Yes, its commendable, but I'm kind of getting sick of everyone worshipping them on every turn, everywhere you go.

The volunteers training the dogs, on the other hand, are definitely deserving of the tag. People like that are doing a mostly thankless and compensation-less job purely to help those who need it. Hats off to them.
 
2012-06-09 05:53:38 PM  
Veteran: Where are we going today?

Dog: Steakhouse.
 
2012-06-09 05:53:53 PM  
Beats drugging them into homicidal mania with Paxil.
 
2012-06-09 05:54:17 PM  
I love dog stories. Dogs really are awesome. The story brought tears to my eyes and I'm not even sure why.
 
2012-06-09 05:55:23 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-09 05:58:36 PM  
You been talking about that dog of yours, again, Sub? On Caturday?

media-2.web.britannica.com
 
2012-06-09 06:03:30 PM  
There are also programs in certain prisons, where the well behaved inmates have earned the right to train and rehabilitate rescue dogs for adoption. Win win, in my opinion.

Dogs have evolved to be man's best friend, and I really like hearing stories like this. I can't imagine never having a little 4 legged furry friend around. Cats included.
 
2012-06-09 06:08:14 PM  
Your Veteran wants steak?
 
2012-06-09 06:12:05 PM  
dogs are the best. period. World needs less shiatty people, and more dogs.
 
2012-06-09 06:12:13 PM  
The Army has killed this program. http://digitaljournal.com/article/320777
 
2012-06-09 06:14:14 PM  
If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.
 
2012-06-09 06:21:10 PM  

DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.



I'm the most anti-war anti-military person you will meet and this is the stupidest most insulting comment I've ever read.
 
2012-06-09 06:25:06 PM  
While those who want to be antisocial are paired with cats.
 
2012-06-09 06:26:50 PM  

intelligent comment below: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.


I'm the most anti-war anti-military person you will meet and this is the stupidest most insulting comment I've ever read.


Indeed, not all of us kill women and children. Some Marines use kittens for skeet shooting.

/and they ruin it for the rest of us.
//nine years of service.
///never fired my weapon at a live being.
//glad for that.
/needs a new puppy.
 
2012-06-09 06:28:06 PM  

DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.


Nuclear grade trolling.
 
2012-06-09 06:31:06 PM  
There's a group in New Mexico called Paws and Stripes that does the same as the article. I was hoping it was about them.
 
2012-06-09 06:34:58 PM  
Fark You Caturday!!!!
 
2012-06-09 06:41:23 PM  

rudemix: There's a group in New Mexico called Paws and Stripes that does the same as the article.


Were they named by someone from Massachusetts?

/"Dora" and "Explorer" only rhyme at the Kennedy compound
 
2012-06-09 06:42:29 PM  
It's all fun and games until a veteran is involved in a stand-off with the police, waving a severed dog's head around on a roof-top. Naked.
 
2012-06-09 06:47:00 PM  

95629: This whole "hero" thing every time someone in the military gets mentioned is getting kind of old. Yes, its commendable, but I'm kind of getting sick of everyone worshipping them on every turn, everywhere you go.

The volunteers training the dogs, on the other hand, are definitely deserving of the tag. People like that are doing a mostly thankless and compensation-less job purely to help those who need it. Hats off to them.


A hero is one who is admired for exceptional and/or noble qualities.

Whatever their personal reason for joining the military, servicemembers have sworn to put their lives at risk for the sake of the country. In a very profound and direct way.

That is noble and, in modern American society, increasingly exceptional.

Four years or 30, shuffling papers or shooting bullets, if you complete a commitment to serve society in such a fashion, you are a hero. Even if a quiet one.

Doesn't make them any more or less human. They shouldn't be worshipped. And, they really aren't, beyond lip-service. But they are heroes.
 
2012-06-09 06:47:14 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Yay!! Caturday!!
 
2012-06-09 06:53:29 PM  
Is it true that a good PTSD remedy is to play video games, kind of to relive the moment so to speak?
 
2012-06-09 07:04:15 PM  

styckx: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x409]


I can never get enough of this.

/vet
/not a hero
 
2012-06-09 07:06:01 PM  
Timothy Poe now says he deserves a dog.
 
2012-06-09 07:18:19 PM  

KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong


No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.
 
2012-06-09 07:20:45 PM  
Dogs rock man.
 
2012-06-09 07:39:50 PM  

hooneybayer: Beats drugging them into homicidal mania with Paxil.


As someone who is currently suffering SSRI withdraw from Paxil ... I'm getting a kick.
 
2012-06-09 07:53:12 PM  

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.


Here's the kicker. You're part of our representative republic so the blood is on your hands as well. Sure, these young men and women executed our demands, but we (including you) demanded it.

You don't let loose the dogs of war not expecting carnage.

Even if you attempted, you failed to stop it and because of that the blame is equally on you. Welcome to America.

Now go and try to wash that blood off your hands.
 
2012-06-09 08:09:36 PM  
Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.


There is no point to arguing with a troll like this, KidneyStone. He's uneducated and just looking for a rise. Ignore and drive on.
 
2012-06-09 08:24:52 PM  

phoxxy: He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).


Correction: That should be Lorazepam (anxiety) and Lamotrigine (mood stabilization)..... plus the Trazodone.

I'm not a doctor of pharmacist. :P So it helps when I read the labels.

I have a hell of enough time making sure he remembers to take them and order them when he's about out.
 
2012-06-09 08:25:45 PM  

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.


Yay for pathetic trolls. I'd feel sorry for someone as obviously loserish as you except that the only way that it seems you can make yourself feel better about your sad and lonely existence is to troll like this. In fact, I almost enjoy the fact that you'll die alone, never having known the actual love of another person.
 
2012-06-09 08:31:41 PM  

phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)


Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth
 
2012-06-09 08:31:46 PM  

phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.

There is no point to arguing with a troll like this, KidneyStone. He's uneducated and just looking for a rise. Ignore and drive on.


Pet therapy and EMDR are treatments for PTSD that I am fascinated by (I'm a month away from my practicum and internship for Professional Counseling). Especially for military personnel and their families. If I didn't already have a dozen years in higher education, I'd skip from university counseling to counseling active duty military personnel, and I'd probably feel better for doing it.
 
2012-06-09 09:22:52 PM  

Farktastique: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.

There is no point to arguing with a troll like this, KidneyStone. He's uneducated and just looking for a rise. Ignore and drive on.

Pet therapy and EMDR are treatments for PTSD that I am fascinated by (I'm a month away from my practicum and internship for Professional Counseling). Especially for military personnel and their families. If I didn't already have a dozen years in higher education, I'd skip from university counseling to counseling active duty military personnel, and I'd probably feel better for doing it.


It really was more by happenstance because we already had the cats. Obviously, we knew from both our daughters they did well for therapy (they are both mildly autistic). My husband has always been more of a dog person and often said while deployed, "if I don't make it home you'll turn into a crazy cat lady." We have four cats in total. But his cat (Malaclypse)... my husband is very attached to that cat whether he will admit it or not. Malaclypse would sit in his chair every day that he was deployed and guard his "stuff" around the house diligently. His deployment in '03 wasn't so bad. The deployment in '05 where he sustained injuries is the one that farked him up the most. It is then that he really started bonding with Malaclypse. We jokingly say that Malaclypse is his tether to the plane of evil because Malaclypse is so defensive of my husband and his things/space taht he can get downright nasty with people. He is also quite vocal with my husband as well when he's dissatisfied with something he is doing (like getting to leave for training/deployment, etc).

Recently, we found out that Malaclypse has Inflammatory Bowel Disease and has been struggling with it. You could have thought that my husband's heart had been hit by a Mack truck when we got the news. We've been doing everything we can to try to get Malaclypse back to better health, but I know it will hit my husband hard when he is gone (he's creeping up on 15 years of age now). Luckily, on days where Malaclypse isn't feeling so well, one of our other cats, Hershey in particular, steps up and fills in taking care of my husband on his bad days. When my husband has trouble sleeping, he'll crawl up on my husband's chest and will lay there until my husband falls asleep while petting him. Hershey only let's my husband pick him up and hold him. He's highly affectionate, but he won't let anyone hold him except my husband, which I find quite amazing and funny. And being a Havana Brown, Hershey has so much inflection in his voice and he will "talk" to my husband and respond to him when spoken to. And one of the things he loves doing with my husband is bringing his favorite toy mouse to play fetch with. Hershey's a nice distraction and always seems to grab my husband's attention when he's in avoidance mode. Otherwise, Malaclypse seems to be the one to hang with my husband more when he is stressed or depressed.
 
2012-06-09 09:29:01 PM  

what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth


Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.
 
2012-06-09 09:29:44 PM  
Alright, look: "PTSD": Hows about somebody tell me exactly WHAT THAT IS on a cellular, biological level before you go throwing a drug at something you don't UNDERSTAND. Because when you DO THAT, it's like putting the CART before the HORSE. It's like administering a DRUG to a burned out light bulb, without knowing how it works, in the HOPES IT WILL COME BACK ON.

IT WON'T.

STOP doing unethical psychdrug research on our troops.

(YA HEAR THAT, UPPER GOV? JUST FUGGIN' JUST STOP.

Give em puppies or something.

THANKS
 
2012-06-09 10:06:14 PM  

phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)


Dogs, cats, horses, dolphins, rats. A lot of mammals are used in this kind of therapy, there does seem to be a "mammalian empathy" sense, especially among the more intelligent species.

Had rats in college, they could always sense when I was feeling blue. They'd crowd at the side of the cage I was at and squeak until I took them out, then they'd sit on my shoulders and lap and let me pet and play with them. The ones on my shoulders liked to lick my earlobes and neck in a motherly manner. Never did it when I was happy or with anyone else.

/miss my little ratties
 
2012-06-09 10:11:21 PM  
To everyone involved:

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/spending so much time on the internet...
//i forget the opposite end of the "people" spectrum even exists
 
2012-06-09 10:11:51 PM  

95629: This whole "hero" thing every time someone in the military gets mentioned is getting kind of old. Yes, its commendable, but I'm kind of getting sick of everyone worshipping them on every turn, everywhere you go.

The volunteers training the dogs, on the other hand, are definitely deserving of the tag. People like that are doing a mostly thankless and compensation-less job purely to help those who need it. Hats off to them.


It takes guts to join the military and protect this nation. You didn't have it, I didn't either. They are all heros.
 
2012-06-09 10:14:36 PM  
I have a friend of a friend who has a PTSD dog. It's an interesting dynamic and once you realize what is going on it becomes obvious how much they mean to each other.
 
2012-06-09 10:20:02 PM  

poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.


Dude, I marched in two of the protests before we invaded Iraq.

Blaming the soldiers for the decisions of politcians is farked up and the second biggest mistake this country made regarding Vietnam.

And this isn't the thread to get your self-righteous biatch on anyway. These men and women are suffering, whining about a war that is over isn't going to help them.

And the a-hole who told service personell with far more backbone than he has to jump off a roof is a farking waste of human DNA.
 
2012-06-09 10:28:16 PM  

poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.


And signing up for the military is voluntary, what happens after that largely is not. Service personell do not get to "opt out" of deployments without taking a dishonerable discharge which would cling to their employment record for the rest of their lives.

And the Stop Loss program ensured that the men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan saw longer tours of duty then soldiers saw in WWII.

So blaming them for the invasion of Iraq is just ignorant and spiteful.

Bush and Co. bear the entire blame for Iraq.

Now if you can't muster up some sympathy for someone coping with horrors you can't imagine, then just stop being a dick and shut up.
 
2012-06-09 10:35:19 PM  

KiplingKat872: poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.

And signing up for the military is voluntary, what happens after that largely is not. Service personell do not get to "opt out" of deployments without taking a dishonerable discharge which would cling to their employment record for the rest of their lives.

And the Stop Loss program ensured that the men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan saw longer tours of duty then soldiers saw in WWII.

So blaming them for the invasion of Iraq is just ignorant and spiteful.

Bush and Co. bear the entire blame for Iraq.

Now if you can't muster up some sympathy for someone coping with horrors you can't imagine, then j ...


You're right. I apologize and promise to change my ways. There. You are officially the first person on the internet to win an argument.
 
2012-06-09 10:41:40 PM  
Every soldier deserves a puppy. Puppies make it easier to get females to have sex with you. And sex almost always makes everything better..
 
2012-06-09 10:42:01 PM  

DrPainMD: KidneyStone: DrPainMD: If you have a guilty conscience from killing women and children, the most effective ptsd cure is to jump off of a very tall building.

One of my friends has horrible PTSD and he never killed any women or children. He saw three of his best friends killed in three separate IED attacks

If you're not trolling then the there's something seriously wrong with you. Like "you tortured animals as a child" wrong

No, I'm right; like "I have no sympathy for anything that happens to people who participate in wars of aggression against people who have never done anything to us" right.

Those "insurgents" they keep telling us about: those are people desperately trying to defend their families from a foreign invading army.


Really?

So when we were trying to feed the people in Mogadishu which Aidid did not approve of as he was trying to control all food and water in the city... then we were just another foreign invading army? That's your story? Really? Dude... fark you. And fark every one of you losers who sit there behind your computers never having served but being all high and mighty about what horrible people Marines (and other soldiers) are.

Honestly. I've had enough. I despise T-partiers because they claim that veterans are the same as welfare queens. And then the Leftie's who claim that anyone who was stupid enough to join the military gets what they deserve. It's too late to save my husband. But I'll farking turn tricks on the street before I let my sons join the military. My eldest graduated high school today. He feels he should do his time in service for his country. I'm trying to get him to go to fire fighter's school. At least then while you all would still hate him for getting fat on your tax dollars. Hopefully he won't be totally messed up because of what he has to do.
 
2012-06-09 10:43:06 PM  

poe_zlaw: KiplingKat872: poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.

And signing up for the military is voluntary, what happens after that largely is not. Service personell do not get to "opt out" of deployments without taking a dishonerable discharge which would cling to their employment record for the rest of their lives.

And the Stop Loss program ensured that the men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan saw longer tours of duty then soldiers saw in WWII.

So blaming them for the invasion of Iraq is just ignorant and spiteful.

Bush and Co. bear the entire blame for Iraq.

Now if you can't muster up some sympathy for someone coping with horrors you can't imagine, then j ...

You're right. I apologize and promise to change my ways. There. You are officially the first person on the internet to win an argument.


Sorry I came down so hard. I understand the anger, believe me I do. I'm just saying that these people are not the right target for that anger.
 
2012-06-09 11:05:21 PM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Every soldier deserves a puppy. Puppies make it easier to get females to have sex with you. And sex almost always makes everything better..


Puppies definitely make it easier to get laid. Sometimes I like the touch of a woman, though.
 
2012-06-09 11:07:16 PM  

poe_zlaw: what the cat dragged in: phoxxy: Hubby has PTSD so getting a kick yadda, yadda.... (not so much).

He's on Lorazepam (mood stabilization), Lamotrigine (for the anxiety) and Trazodone (so he can sleep at night).

He's got a request in through the VA to had our cats to be documented as service animals. You might laugh, but when my husband is having a bad day, they seem to know and at least one or more of them curl up with him to make him feel better or calm him down. He'll sit there for an hour or more petting the cat and when done he's much improved.

It's really been a blessing to have them. Some days I think they are of more help than the drugs. :)

Have you looked into equine therapy? The DoD has been using and supporting this for some time. A bit more about it from the horse's, er, mouth

Guys, he isnt trolling. I feel the same way. The military in the US is voluntary. Those "insurgents" are no different than what you would be if a military force invaded the US with far superior capabilities than our defenses. People opted to go to the war. Nobody forced anyone to go over seas and invade a country and kill civilians. II dont give a sh*t if your friend died in front of you while fighting. Why the hell did we go Iraq? whats heroic about anything that went on over there? People tried to kill you because you helped invade a country for no reason.


You do realize that a good chunk insurgents weren't even Iraqis right?

There are many stories of insurgents being recruited in other countries being told they were getting hired for a job only to find out once they made it totheir destination they were forced to fight or never go home. One such "insurgent" that was encountered during one of my husband's deployment had been drugged and he found himself duct taped to the driver's side of a car with the bomb inside. Luckily the bomb did not go off and the man survived. Countless stories of "insurgents" forced to fight because their families had been kidnapped and were threatened with the death of their families if they didn't.

And yes, there were legit groups who participated willingly.

Some groups only attacked Iraqi targets, fighting because they believed their interests would not be be represented in the new Shia government.

Some groups saw it as a new Jihad.

There was even a division between foreign and Iraqi insurgents, each with different agendas and different targets....some groups even turning on each other.

Additionally, the military has also been able to peg fighters who have migrated from Iraq to Afghanistan. So this is nor merely contained to Iraq.

I would suggest you do some research and read on how complex the insurgency really is in Iraq. Even with our withdrawal from Iraq, "insurgents"will continue to fight. This is more than about more than "the evil Americans are in Iraq". Once you understand that, the veil of ignorance will be lifted. They have thousands of years of such turmoil in the region. History has taught us as much. The only people who will be able to sort this out are the citizens themselves -- for good or bad.

So I ask you, would you have rather Saddam stayed in power and kill countless of his own citizens, forcing them to join the Ba'athist party or be subject to torture, abuse or even death? Or would you have it as it is now, where they have a chance to try and sort it out? Is it ideal all the way around, no, but for how bad things are now, they were much, much worse under Saddam. It is just going to take time.

One interesting conversation that my husband had with an older Iraqi gentleman said the biggest hurdle for the country will be the generation gap. Saddam had been in power for so long, that newer generations coming up had known nothing BUT Saddam's power and that the older generations, such as himself, were a dying breed (so to speak). They remember what it was like before Saddam at a time where they had more freedoms. Clerics did not rule on many civil matters. Yes, some of that carried over under Saddam's regime, but you often walked a right rope with your life if you tried to speak out against Saddam or the ruling party. The man said the younger generations will not know how to act with new found freedom and those who hold any kind of power left to remain in Iraq will make power grabs and try to the younger generations. He said it could go very well or horribly bad. And yes, the man was happy to see Saddam removed from power.

Personally, do I think we went about things the right way with Iraq? No. I saw a lot of things wrong that our government did. But the men and women who served there and in Afghanistan have done jobs to the best of their ability and did it quite well in many cases. They aren't baby killers. They aren't out butchering women. Do women and children die in war? Yes. So do men. It is an unavoidable fact. Does this make soldiers evil and deserving of their injuries and pain? No.

People love to hate on soldiers and the military. They can't differentiate between acts of the government and the policies they enact from the man who fights on the front line. I'm not trying to glorify the military, but there are many benefits to serving in the military -- personal discipline and responsibility, education, and so on. However, with that is the sad truth you are sometimes required to pick up a weapon and fight... and not always for the causes or agendas that are popular, either. Some would love to see our military dismantled. And I will tell you, until our foreign policy as a nation changes drastically, the military will always be needed. And soldiers will continue to be over-worked, over-deployed, stressed to their limit because our country's foreign policy is writing a check we can't cover. They will continue to come home broken and with scars that will never heal.

Here's a great quote that I often leave with people that question whether or not we need a military:

"Though a soldier in time of peace is like a chimney in summer, yet what wise man would pluck down his chimney because his almanac told him it was the middle of June." -Tom Brown

We will always need a standing military. The world is not utopia and there will be threats and war on this earth so long as someone wants something that someone else has. It is a fact of life.

What we do with our military rests solely with all of us as citizens of this country. We look at the bigger picture, vote into office the people that will help take care of the things that matter here at home (jobs, education), who will address and change our foreign policy and who will take a stand for what is right in the best interest of our country upon the principles of the Constitution and not the almighty dollar that lines their pockets. We created this mess. As someone said earlier, the blood is on ALL our hands. Blaming a group of soldiers that joined -- yes, volunteered (service, education, etc) -- to serve their country on good faith is just plain wrong when we are all to blame after decades of horrible decisions and foreign policy. I tell you what though, if they ever re-institute the draft, THEN most of you will give a shiat about how our government does business with other countries. Saying, "well it's his fault because he volunteered and is to blame" won't be the cop out stance of your argument anymore.
 
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