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(The New York Times)   Fifty years ago Monday night, Clint Eastwood pulled off the greatest prison escape in American history   (nytimes.com) divider line 63
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2012-06-09 01:01:20 PM  
I think the official version of the story from authorities was "Well we never heard from them again! They clearly failed!"
 
2012-06-09 01:22:21 PM  
If you haven't seen that movie, it's probably one of the greatest of all time. Pick up that and Bullitt for a great weekend.

Went to The Rock when I was 8. That was one of the coolest tourist things I've ever done. What a really creepy place.
 
2012-06-09 01:26:07 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If you haven't seen that movie, it's probably one of the greatest of all time. Pick up that and Bullitt for a great weekend.

THIS. They don't make 'em like that anymore.

Went to The Rock when I was 8. That was one of the coolest tourist things I've ever done. What a really creepy place.


*Crossing Alcatraz Prison off destination itinerary*
 
2012-06-09 03:48:21 PM  
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2012-06-09 03:50:42 PM  
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2012-06-09 03:50:44 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If you haven't seen that movie, it's probably one of the greatest of all time. Pick up that and Bullitt for a great weekend.


This!
 
2012-06-09 03:51:01 PM  
a 1963 book by J. Campbell Bruce,

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I happen to know he's a personal friend of Chuck Findley's.
 
2012-06-09 03:56:13 PM  
Is it June 11 where submitter is?
 
2012-06-09 03:56:49 PM  
In a fight between Chuck Norris and Clint Eastwood, I'd pick Clint, because he wouldn't fight fair. He'd just get the job done, whatever it took.
 
2012-06-09 03:57:07 PM  
Ahh, missed the "Monday."
 
2012-06-09 03:57:29 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If you haven't seen that movie, it's probably one of the greatest of all time. Pick up that and Bullitt for a great weekend.

Went to The Rock when I was 8. That was one of the coolest tourist things I've ever done. What a really creepy place.


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Did you see where Machine-Gun Kelly cut out his biatches eyes?
 
2012-06-09 04:18:27 PM  

NewportBarGuy: If you haven't seen that movie, it's probably one of the greatest of all time. Pick up that and Bullitt for a great weekend.

Went to The Rock when I was 8. That was one of the coolest tourist things I've ever done. What a really creepy place.


That right there is an excellent idea for a double feature on a lazy Saturday before game time (Go Kings)- done!
 
2012-06-09 04:20:49 PM  

Confabulat: I think the official version of the story from authorities was "Well we never heard from them again! They clearly failed!"


I thought it involved a timewarp and Hurley

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2012-06-09 04:26:28 PM  
Federal officials said they almost certainly drowned in the maelstrom of riptides, undertows and turbulent, frigid waters of the 10-mile-wide bay, their bodies probably swept out to sea under the Golden Gate Bridge

Bullshiat. It's been demonstrated that all they had to do was head north, paddle vigorously and could have easily made the Marin headlands. The escape wasn't some cockamamie, spur of the moment idea; they researched it and worked on it for months gathering the needed tools and materials for the ventilation cover mockups, dummies and raft and assembling it on top of the cell blocks at night and returned to their cells over and over again, undiscovered. They knew they not only had to escape the fortress but the island and the entire Bay Area as well. They knew the morning headcount would reveal their escape and cause a huge manhunt, so it's unlikely they failed to plan for that as well.

Back in those days there was no Interpol and a bunch of extradition treaties, all they had to do was make it to Tijuana and they were home free.

Personally, I think they made it. But it's a little like the 10 years before we got bin Laden. Plenty of people were happy to speculate we had killed him but were too afraid to admit it because we'd make him a martyr, when the real truth was that all of our efforts were in vain.
 
2012-06-09 04:33:22 PM  

Degenz: Bullshiat. It's been demonstrated that all they had to do was head north, paddle vigorously and could have easily made the Marin headlands.


Easily. Because the 50 degree waters and tiderips of San Francisco Bay are so accommodating. All that talk about being swept out to sea: junk science.
 
2012-06-09 04:38:38 PM  
Coincidentally, tomorrow I am going to swim from that island to the Marin Headlands as the first part of a triathlon. I'm planning on taking a few bites of shark sushi on the way in. I did not know that it was 50 years from that event. I'm sure they will be making a big deal of it tomorrow.
 
2012-06-09 04:38:41 PM  

Degenz: Bullshiat. It's been demonstrated that all they had to do was head north, paddle vigorously and could have easily made the Marin headlands.


Trained athletes and endurance swimmers have trouble with those waters and you think three ordinary dudes can do it with no problem?
 
2012-06-09 04:41:30 PM  

Degenz: Federal officials said they almost certainly drowned in the maelstrom of riptides, undertows and turbulent, frigid waters of the 10-mile-wide bay, their bodies probably swept out to sea under the Golden Gate Bridge

Bullshiat. It's been demonstrated that all they had to do was head north, paddle vigorously and could have easily made the Marin headlands. The escape wasn't some cockamamie, spur of the moment idea; they researched it and worked on it for months gathering the needed tools and materials for the ventilation cover mockups, dummies and raft and assembling it on top of the cell blocks at night and returned to their cells over and over again, undiscovered. They knew they not only had to escape the fortress but the island and the entire Bay Area as well. They knew the morning headcount would reveal their escape and cause a huge manhunt, so it's unlikely they failed to plan for that as well.

Back in those days there was no Interpol and a bunch of extradition treaties, all they had to do was make it to Tijuana and they were home free.

Personally, I think they made it. But it's a little like the 10 years before we got bin Laden. Plenty of people were happy to speculate we had killed him but were too afraid to admit it because we'd make him a martyr, when the real truth was that all of our efforts were in vain.


Seems like it'd be difficult to keep this a total secret. I mean, after being in jail for awhile, it's hard to just go out, blend in, and travel, not without outside help to give you a place to stay, give you money, and buy a bus ticket for you. Find a way to live in Tijuana (you still need money, even in Tijuana). Seems like at some point in the later years someone would come forward about it, write a book or something.
 
2012-06-09 04:46:39 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Coincidentally, tomorrow I am going to swim from that island to the Marin Headlands as the first part of a triathlon. I'm planning on taking a few bites of shark sushi on the way in. I did not know that it was 50 years from that event. I'm sure they will be making a big deal of it tomorrow.


You should start by jumping off the bridge. It's a crowd pleaser, and anybody could do it and survive.
 
2012-06-09 04:50:54 PM  

whidbey: You should start by jumping off the bridge. It's a crowd pleaser, and anybody could do it and survive.


Although, it would be a crowd pleaser, I'm figuring the swim afterward would be difficult from the bridge given that it would be against the current. They are bringing us out on a boat and we hop off at the island and start swimming. I figure I'll make the swim in just under 40 minutes. Then the bike ride, then the run. It will be freaking cold. I've been training the the river to get used to the ice water, but it will be 40 minutes of misery.
 
2012-06-09 04:52:07 PM  

whidbey: Easily. Because the 50 degree waters and tiderips of San Francisco Bay are so accommodating. All that talk about being swept out to sea: junk science.


As I said, it's been shown to be probable. I didn't say it was easy, but they were in a raft and not swimming while immersed in cold water. And "rip tides" don't have anything to do with it, those are currents that occur off the shore in a lateral direction. Tides are completely different, and that's what would suck you out to sea in the San Francisco Bay.
 
2012-06-09 04:52:09 PM  

9beers: Degenz: Bullshiat. It's been demonstrated that all they had to do was head north, paddle vigorously and could have easily made the Marin headlands.

Trained athletes and endurance swimmers have trouble with those waters and you think three ordinary dudes can do it with no problem?


You must have missed that mythbusters episode. They landed safely by allowing the current take them.
 
2012-06-09 04:54:31 PM  

Degenz: And "rip tides" don't have anything to do with it, those are currents that occur off the shore in a lateral direction. Tides are completely different, and that's what would suck you out to sea in the San Francisco Bay.


I didn't say "rip tides," Professor. I said "tide rips," which is what you get in enclosed deep water bays with shoals like we're talking about.

And the fact the money and the personal effects were found is the kicker. It's a romantic fantasy that these men made it.
 
2012-06-09 04:58:23 PM  
Escape from alcatraz has been one of my favorites since I was a little kid. I remember it being on broadcast TV when i was 9 or 10 and I loved every minute of it.

Definitely prime eastwood, as well.
 
2012-06-09 05:03:45 PM  

whidbey: Degenz: And "rip tides" don't have anything to do with it, those are currents that occur off the shore in a lateral direction. Tides are completely different, and that's what would suck you out to sea in the San Francisco Bay.

I didn't say "rip tides," Professor. I said "tide rips," which is what you get in enclosed deep water bays with shoals like we're talking about.

And the fact the money and the personal effects were found is the kicker. It's a romantic fantasy that these men made it.


LOL troll, then you better cite WTF a "tide rip" is because the only factor in the bay is tides, not currents. Personal effects found on a beach does not equate to drowned and dead, it can just as easily mean they made it to shore and fled the area.
 
2012-06-09 05:06:08 PM  

lack of warmth: 9beers: Degenz: Bullshiat. It's been demonstrated that all they had to do was head north, paddle vigorously and could have easily made the Marin headlands.

Trained athletes and endurance swimmers have trouble with those waters and you think three ordinary dudes can do it with no problem?

You must have missed that mythbusters episode. They landed safely by allowing the current take them.


Check him and 9beers out in any thread involving cops and crooks and you understand immediately that he's suddenly willing to believe what the librul media says, unless it involves crooked lying cops.
 
2012-06-09 05:15:24 PM  
9beers: three ordinary dudes

Details of the escape plan say they were not "three ordinary dudes".

/discipline, they has it
 
2012-06-09 05:19:18 PM  

9beers: Trained athletes and endurance swimmers have trouble with those waters and you think three ordinary dudes can do it with no problem?


Well they weren't swimming in it which helps a lot.
 
2012-06-09 05:19:20 PM  

Degenz: whidbey: Degenz: And "rip tides" don't have anything to do with it, those are currents that occur off the shore in a lateral direction. Tides are completely different, and that's what would suck you out to sea in the San Francisco Bay.

I didn't say "rip tides," Professor. I said "tide rips," which is what you get in enclosed deep water bays with shoals like we're talking about.

And the fact the money and the personal effects were found is the kicker. It's a romantic fantasy that these men made it.

LOL troll, then you better cite WTF a "tide rip" is because the only factor in the bay is tides, not currents. Personal effects found on a beach does not equate to drowned and dead, it can just as easily mean they made it to shore and fled the area.


Again, I really take issue with "easily," you must really believe that men rowing a semi-inflated mess of raincoats had some kind of advantage against the waters, the rips, the eddies and whatever else cold swelling deep water related obstacles they faced.

I mean, seriously, it sounds like you wanted these guys to stick it to the man and get away unscathed. You're a bit obsessed.
 
2012-06-09 05:26:23 PM  
Rip tide and tide rip are more accurately known as rip currents, which occur off an open stretch of beach as the result of waves pushing waters laterally from one side to the other.

This does not occur in the enclosed confines of a bay due to the natural breakwater effect.

But keep listening to chicken f*ckers like Whidbey and 9beers who play a game of semantic Three Card Monte to troll lazy morons who are too damn lazy to learn anything.
 
2012-06-09 05:34:22 PM  

whidbey: Degenz: whidbey: Degenz: And "rip tides" don't have anything to do with it, those are currents that occur off the shore in a lateral direction. Tides are completely different, and that's what would suck you out to sea in the San Francisco Bay.

I didn't say "rip tides," Professor. I said "tide rips," which is what you get in enclosed deep water bays with shoals like we're talking about.

And the fact the money and the personal effects were found is the kicker. It's a romantic fantasy that these men made it.

LOL troll, then you better cite WTF a "tide rip" is because the only factor in the bay is tides, not currents. Personal effects found on a beach does not equate to drowned and dead, it can just as easily mean they made it to shore and fled the area.

Again, I really take issue with "easily," you must really believe that men rowing a semi-inflated mess of raincoats had some kind of advantage against the waters, the rips, the eddies and whatever else cold swelling deep water related obstacles they faced.

I mean, seriously, it sounds like you wanted these guys to stick it to the man and get away unscathed. You're a bit obsessed.


Because you're a f*cking troll who on one hand whines about "big gubmint" while simultaneously believing everything they spout as long as it fits your peculiar view of society.

You ignored that I used the word "vigorously" in describing how the escapees from Alcatraz paddled their way north to use the current to land on the Marin headlands and instead focused on "easily" and then assumed their raft was leaky, as reported by the "librul media" and the bad old gubmit.

At what point will you be consistent and follow one line of logic or the other?
 
2012-06-09 05:38:55 PM  
Nothing worse than getting a spoon that looks like it's been sticking in someone's ass.
 
2012-06-09 05:42:35 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: whidbey: You should start by jumping off the bridge. It's a crowd pleaser, and anybody could do it and survive.

Although, it would be a crowd pleaser, I'm figuring the swim afterward would be difficult from the bridge given that it would be against the current. They are bringing us out on a boat and we hop off at the island and start swimming. I figure I'll make the swim in just under 40 minutes. Then the bike ride, then the run. It will be freaking cold. I've been training the the river to get used to the ice water, but it will be 40 minutes of misery.


I did that race two years ago, super fun. The swim isn't as bad as they make it out to be, and I'm from Florida where swimming in the ocean feels like bathwater sometimes. I'm sure you're using a wetsuit, but I highly recommend you get some wax earplugs. Just roll them around in the palm of your hand to warm them up, and then press them to your ear canal. They'll keep the cold water out and prevent headaches which could indeed make the swim miserable. Other than that, enjoy the race.
 
2012-06-09 05:45:56 PM  

whidbey: I mean, seriously, it sounds like you wanted these guys to stick it to the man and get away unscathed. You're a bit obsessed.


Maybe you haven't noticed but you're on Fark, where we frequently reference the popular media and culture to pass the time. America loved those gangsters from the Depression era like Bonnie and Clyde who "stuck it to the man" who were mostly shot dead, but some of whom wound up in prisons like Alcatraz. It's part of our history, it's Americana and that's why movies were made about it.

F*ck you if you're too damn dense to get it. Go post on some redneck, white supremacist blog if you want everyone to agree with your narrow-minded nonsense.
 
2012-06-09 05:57:13 PM  

Degenz: Rip tide and tide rip are more accurately known as rip currents, which occur off an open stretch of beach as the result of waves pushing waters laterally from one side to the other.

This does not occur in the enclosed confines of a bay due to the natural breakwater effect.

But keep listening to chicken f*ckers like Whidbey and 9beers who play a game of semantic Three Card Monte to troll lazy morons who are too damn lazy to learn anything.


Ok, I'm not sure I completely understand what the hell you're talking about, but I've done the swim from Alcatraz island and I can tell you that strong currents are present. They aren't cause the same way rip currents off a beach are, but just as strong, in fact I'd say the currents in the bay are stronger than any I've encountered here in Florida. Depending on the time of day, with the rise or lowering of the tide, the current it either flowing into or out of the bay, and it flows very strong. They have mandatory pre-race meetings where they go over the safety instructions. You do as they say, or you can easily find yourself off course and heading towards the bridge and out to sea. Naturally, they have rescue boats and kayaks all over the place, so that is unlikely, but take away that safety net and an unexperienced swimmer can get into trouble real quick.

I've seen experienced athletes get into trouble almost immediately in short distance warm water triathlons. While I'd love to think these guys made it, I doubt they did. They should just be granted immunity as long as the come forward and tell the world that they're alive and how they did it. Same for that D.B Cooper fellow. We just want to to know for sure.
 
2012-06-09 06:11:33 PM  

Degenz: Check him and 9beers out in any thread involving cops and crooks and you understand immediately that he's suddenly willing to believe what the librul media says, unless it involves crooked lying cops.


You sure do have a hard on about this fantasy that 3 convicted criminals managed to escape justice. Talk about taking cop hating to another level. They drowned, get over it.
 
2012-06-09 06:14:33 PM  

chewielouie:

Ok, I'm not sure I completely understand what the hell you're talking about, but I've done the swim from Alcatraz island and I can tell you that strong currents are present. They aren't cause the same way rip currents off a beach are, but just as strong, in fact I'd say the currents in the bay are stronger than any I've encountered here in Florida. Depending on the time of day, with the rise or lowering of the tide, the current it either flowing into or out of the bay, and it flows very strong. They have mandatory pre-race meetings where they go over the safety instructions. You do as they say, or you can easily find yourself off course and heading towards the bridge and out to sea. Naturally, they have rescue boats and kayaks all over the place, so that is unlikely, but take away that safety net and an unexperienced swimmer can get into trouble real quick.

I've seen experienced athletes get into trouble almost immediately in short distance warm water triathlons. While I'd love to think these guys made it, I doubt they did. They should just be granted immunity as long as the come forward and tell the world that they're alive and how they did it. Same for that D.B Cooper fellow. We just want to to know for sure.


Because there is a difference between "currents" and tides. The only effect worth considering in this case is the tides, which occur at known and predictable intervals with each Lunar Cycle; the water is ether rushing into the bay our out. There are no riptides or any other such nonsense.

Yes, it is turbulent, but it is predictable. And once again, the escapees were not swimming, there were in a raft they took many months to build. From that you can assume their plans were at least somewhat well thought-out enough to include factors such as tidal shift.

Then again, perhaps you are just prejudice.
 
2012-06-09 06:22:56 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: Coincidentally, tomorrow I am going to swim from that island to the Marin Headlands as the first part of a triathlon. I'm planning on taking a few bites of shark sushi on the way in. I did not know that it was 50 years from that event. I'm sure they will be making a big deal of it tomorrow.


WTH? i thought all farkers never left moms basement. huh. best of luck and enjoy the tri. you live more than many only dream.
 
2012-06-09 06:24:47 PM  

whidbey: I didn't say "rip tides," Professor. I said "tide rips," which is what you get in enclosed deep water bays with shoals like we're talking about.


And yet Adam and Jamie still pulled it off.

And the fact the money and the personal effects were found is the kicker.

Yep, its not like they wouldn't leave anything like that behind to make The Man think they're fish bait while they're high-tailing it to Tijuana. These guys planned the biggest escape this side of Steve McQueen on a motorbike, you think they're going to go easy on the last tail of the plot?

Oh, and FTFA: 'And the 2011 National Geographic program disclosed that footprints leading away from the raft had been found on Angel Island, and that contrary to official denials, a car had been stolen nearby on the night of the escape.'
 
2012-06-09 06:31:19 PM  
some pretty passionate discussion (read that as pi$$ing contest) over a 50 year old prison break in here.

I think we all need a time out.
 
2012-06-09 06:33:11 PM  

9beers: Degenz: Check him and 9beers out in any thread involving cops and crooks and you understand immediately that he's suddenly willing to believe what the librul media says, unless it involves crooked lying cops.

You sure do have a hard on about this fantasy that 3 convicted criminals managed to escape justice. Talk about taking cop hating to another level. They drowned, get over it.


I don't hate cops, my family is full of law enforcement officials. What I and they hate are weasle, wannabes like you.

Somewhere, someday, the real cops will catch you exercising the stupid judgment you have displayed here on Fark on the streets and your little punk ass will be gone. Just like Zimmerman.

It's only a matter of time.
 
2012-06-09 06:35:19 PM  

Magnus: some pretty passionate discussion (read that as pi$$ing contest) over a 50 year old prison break in here


Its a whidbey/skookum thread. What'd you expect?
 
2012-06-09 06:43:27 PM  

Degenz: Somewhere, someday, the real cops will catch you exercising the stupid judgment you have displayed here on Fark on the streets and your little punk ass will be gone. Just like Zimmerman.


There we go, now we know why you're so angry. Save your ITG act for somebody else, I'm not impressed.
 
2012-06-09 08:16:17 PM  
Federal officials said they almost certainly drowned in the maelstrom of riptides, undertows and turbulent, frigid waters of the 10-mile-wide bay, their bodies probably swept out to sea under the Golden Gate Bridge

The grandfather of the former owner of Harvey Field, an airport in Snohomish, WA, was a sailor on an English commercial ship. In the Gold Rush era, the penalty for desertion was hanging because so many British sailors left their ships at ports like San Francisco. But his grandfather piled coconuts in a burlap bag and at the right time went overboard as the ship left San Francisco Bay. "He figured that by the time they discovered I was missing it wouldn't be worth their time to sail back into the bay," the younger Harvey told me.

His grandfather tried his hand at gold mining, eventually coming N to Snohomish County and buying a stump farm from a lumber company that had clearcut the land. When aviation started becoming popular in the U.S. he started the private airport, a popular locale for parachutists.
 
2012-06-09 08:47:34 PM  

Degenz: Because you're a f*cking troll who on one hand whines about "big gubmint" while simultaneously believing everything they spout as long as it fits your peculiar view of society.


I've never ever made a post on Fark "whining about big gubmint." You might check who you're actually replying to next time.

And once again, the escapees were not swimming, there were in a raft they took many months to build.

Citation needed. In fact, the actual evidence suggests they capsized and drowned.

You just REALLY want these guys to be some kind of folk heroes don't you? So much that the most prosaic explanation is out of the question.
 
2012-06-09 09:11:37 PM  
Sheesh, no one knows what happened to these guys but don't let that stop ya'll from yelling at each other about it.
 
2012-06-09 09:13:41 PM  

Confabulat: Sheesh, no one knows what happened to these guys but don't let that stop ya'll from yelling at each other about it.


No, I've done some thinking about this:

They made it because they were on a mission from God and now they are running Ron Paul's campaign from his basement compound in Texas.
 
2012-06-09 09:42:05 PM  

whidbey:

I've never ever made a post on Fark "whining about big gubmint." You might check who you're actually replying to next time.


Never ever? Methinks you protest too much. I'm looking at this objectively while you're attacking me for being a "bad guy" wanting the crooks to get away.

Citation needed. In fact, the actual evidence suggests they capsized and drowned.


No, and once again the "actual evidence" is precisely contrary to your position. I've already shown that your previous response concerning "rip tides" and "tide rips" was complete nonsense.

You have yet to refer to anything anyone can believe besides your delusional fantasies about currents that don't exist in the San Francisco Bay, yet you continue to belabor the issue.

I have jury duty in a few weeks and I'll be damned if I'm going to let any douchebag off the hook. But at the same time I'm sure not going to buy the shinola you believe about what is "evidence."

You're a boot licker.



You just REALLY want these guys to be some kind of folk heroes don't you? So much that the most prosaic explanation is out of the question.
 
2012-06-09 09:44:22 PM  

whidbey: Confabulat: Sheesh, no one knows what happened to these guys but don't let that stop ya'll from yelling at each other about it.

No, I've done some thinking about this:

They made it because they were on a mission from God and now they are running Ron Paul's campaign from his basement compound in Texas.


Sounds about right.
 
2012-06-09 09:53:52 PM  

Degenz: Citation needed. In fact, the actual evidence suggests they capsized and drowned.

No, and once again the "actual evidence" is precisely contrary to your position. I've already shown that your previous response concerning "rip tides" and "tide rips" was complete nonsense.


"Complete nonsense" would be your continued insistence on coming up with speculation as to what happened, when the facts pretty much proved they didn't make it, and very likely drowned. Why you're still trying to polish this turd is beyond me when it was settled with my Weeners. But no, you decided to throw a poofest where you accused anyone who countered your speculative position as "trolls" or "chickenshiats,"

Never ever?

Never.

I'm looking at this objectively while you're attacking me for being a "bad guy" wanting the crooks to get away.

It appears to be the most possible scenario. You even went into some kind of incomprehensible "Bonnie and Clyde" kind of spiel up ^there ^ too, like we're supposed to root for these criminals.

They were clearly overconfident in their venture and completely underestimated the elements. They very likely drowned, as pretty much anyone in this part of the country is going to do if they set off into a foggy unpredictable large body of cold water at night, in a makeshift raft that probably didn't even hold the air they pumped into it.
 
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