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(GPB News)   Win-Win: Vidalia onion farmers don't need illegal aliens to pick crops in Georgia, prison inmates are working out just fine   (gpb.org) divider line 264
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2012-06-10 12:15:34 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: BarkingUnicorn: Probationers don't have that help, and TFA says they didn't work long in the onion fields.

FTA: "They've worked out real good," he said. "Some of them even said when they get out, they may come back and work for me, you know maybe next year. They have really worked out good."

When they get out they work for the farmer, no armed guards.


I guess we'll have to check back with this farmer next year, see how many actually came back.
 
2012-06-10 12:55:07 AM  

shark72: 1. Shut up and pay the higher price,
2. Give your business to another farmer who's not paying his workers so much, or
3. Start buying your onions from Brazil or Mexico?


1. If you want onions, yes.
2. That's why we have minimum wages in the first place, as well as laws against illegal immigrants being hired. Note I don't have a problem with migrant workers for seasonal work, nor am I afraid of educated foreigners brought over as H1Bs.
3. Tarrifs can be applied if necessary, and this is exactly the reason they sometimes should be used: A healthy food supply is a national security issue and a buffer against famine. Even tyrant kings built grain silos. (and, as a side note, it wouldn't be the end of the world for food prices to go up in this country as a whole)

4. There is also trade 101, in which it doesn't matter whether country A can make all products cheaper than country B, both countries can still produce and trade merely on the relative costs between the two countries. Fish and coconuts man, fish and coconuts. Trade will occur regardless, but even if you don't understand/believe that, you are still making a fool's argument to claim we simply MUST bring the treatment of our workers down to that of every competing country in the world. That is, frankly, farking retarded.

shark72: Why do so many farmers make use of illegal labor?


Because cheaper labor = higher profits. If they can't compete without the cheap labor, then one of two things are happening: 1. their competitors are already using the cheap labor, or 2. Their competitors have a superior product/business model and they deserve to put them out of business.

I've seen people ignoring a race to the bottom situation before, but I've never seen someone cheer in favor of it like you.
 
2012-06-10 01:00:54 AM  
Oh good, more financial incentives to send people to prison. This'll end well.
 
2012-06-10 03:32:21 AM  
If sending prisoners to work in the farms becomes a big thing then your trading partners are going to have to look at tariffs on any such goods that are then exported.

In effect you are state subsidizing these enterprises, allowing them to undercut private enterprise.
 
2012-06-10 07:57:22 AM  

AbbeySomeone: FTFA"part of the check goes toward defraying the cost of their incarceration", or something.
Yeah, clever how that worked out. How many 'favors' is this judge involved in?


or better yet how many shares of the private corrections company do he and the politicians own?

this is the future. neo-slavery that is state assisted.
 
2012-06-10 09:32:52 AM  

Great Janitor: So, people break the law, go to prison where they spend their time, why not have them work to help balance out the cost of their incarseration?


The issue isn't with what the inmates do with their incarceration (every apex civilization needs a class of undesirables to do the demeaning and hazardous work... there's nothing wrong with making criminals do that work)... the issue is how society decides who gets to be the inmates.

When the prison-industrial complex gets into full swing, you're going to start seeing more draconian legislation, longer sentences, tougher laws, more totalitarian judges.... all bought and paid for by corporations who want to see full prisons so they can have ready access to a pool of cheap and disposable labor.

Forced labor camps are nothing new. But we always see them as a function of fascist and communist dictatorships. Now we're seeing them here. That comparison should alarm you.
 
2012-06-10 09:39:28 AM  

Restil: There is no financial incentive to incarcerate people. The state is still losing money even with most of the inmate's salary going to pay for the incarceration. The state only makes money from a working citizen who is out there spending money and paying taxes.


This is untrue. There are 264 private prisons in the United States today, all run for profit, and the number is growing. They cost the state nothing.
 
2012-06-10 09:45:37 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: We have a lot of people in prison, but that's where they belong because they are criminals.


"We have a lot of Jews in these camps, but that's where they belong because they are Jews."
 
2012-06-10 10:00:04 AM  

Ishkur: Great Janitor: So, people break the law, go to prison where they spend their time, why not have them work to help balance out the cost of their incarseration?

The issue isn't with what the inmates do with their incarceration (every apex civilization needs a class of undesirables to do the demeaning and hazardous work... there's nothing wrong with making criminals do that work)... the issue is how society decides who gets to be the inmates.

When the prison-industrial complex gets into full swing, you're going to start seeing more draconian legislation, longer sentences, tougher laws, more totalitarian judges.... all bought and paid for by corporations who want to see full prisons so they can have ready access to a pool of cheap and disposable labor.


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/Zombie Reagan would approve
 
2012-06-10 10:46:54 AM  

Ishkur: Restil: There is no financial incentive to incarcerate people. The state is still losing money even with most of the inmate's salary going to pay for the incarceration. The state only makes money from a working citizen who is out there spending money and paying taxes.

This is untrue. There are 264 private prisons in the United States today, all run for profit, and the number is growing. They cost the state nothing.


Actually they still cost the state. The state pays the private prison for their service. I doubt any prisoner works for enough money to cover incarceration costs.
 
2012-06-10 11:41:59 AM  

lack of warmth: Riche: I think locking any person up against their will SHOULD cost the state "a ton" of money. We already have WAY too many in prison today. Making it cheaper (or even profitable) for the state to imprison even more people is a recipe for making this American disaster even worse still.

Do you really want America to become a literal prison state?

You would like Flint. A city without a jail. You get caught in the act b&e and you are not arrested only given a ticket to appear. Later a warrent will be issued and no one comes to take you to jail. I know that because I have witnessed this first hand a couple of days ago. From the news, I learned we have well over 50,000 unserved arrest warrents and no homicide arrest since Feb. I assure you we still have murders and shootings are up and no arrest for a few months. I guess this would be your town.

Meanwhile our streets are crumbling and are parks are nothing more than a story of where kids used to play. I would like to see a money strapped city be able to make some repairs by both using inmates doing the work and earning the money so the repairs can be made. They should repair the parks, since they like to shoot at each other in parks. Also, I had mentioned earlier, negotiate some time off for labor performed would motivate the inmate and reduce prison population.


But remember, folks, Michael Moore is fat, so Flint is invalid.
 
2012-06-10 12:40:04 PM  

Smackledorfer: Ishkur: Restil: There is no financial incentive to incarcerate people. The state is still losing money even with most of the inmate's salary going to pay for the incarceration. The state only makes money from a working citizen who is out there spending money and paying taxes.

This is untrue. There are 264 private prisons in the United States today, all run for profit, and the number is growing. They cost the state nothing.

Actually they still cost the state. The state pays the private prison for their service. I doubt any prisoner works for enough money to cover incarceration costs.


The important difference is that public non profit prisons have public employees while private for profit prisons are run by Job Creators. In the first case your tax dollars go to support socialist union thugs while in the latter your tax dollars go to capitalist entrepreneurs who deserve to be rewarded for their benevolence.
 
2012-06-10 01:00:20 PM  

TwoHead: The important difference is that public non profit prisons have public employees while private for profit prisons are run by Job Creators. In the first case your tax dollars go to support socialist union thugs while in the latter your tax dollars go to capitalist entrepreneurs who deserve to be rewarded for their benevolence.


Sadly, exactly this.

And how about those too-big-to-fail banks we all dislike? What newly privatized industry is going to be too big fail if we ever end up arresting too many "customers" of theirs to keep their business profitable?

Hate public sector unions because they are collectively bargaining for more pay at the cost of your tax dollars and thus gaining undue influence over politicians? Well wtf do you think the heads of a corporation which fulfills a necessary function of government is going to have?

grrr, frustrating. None of that matters because its about punishing bad guys most of the time, and helping them under a concept of "work makes you free" the rest in the eyes of so many. Short term thinking by the ends-justify-the-means crowd.
 
2012-06-11 09:06:16 AM  

Restil: Because People in power are Stupid: violentsalvation: AbbeySomeone: FTFA"part of the check goes toward defraying the cost of their incarceration", or something.
Yeah, clever how that worked out. How many 'favors' is this judge involved in?

That shiat bothers me. If the state decides I am guilty of a crime then they can foot the bill for my incarceration, I'm not going to work off my supposed dues slaving away in an onion field.

We agree on the issue. There is a financial incentive for the state to incarcerate people.

Of course, if what you are saying is that you will resist your slavers -I'm sure they'll understand and treat you well.

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There is no financial incentive to incarcerate people. The state is still losing money even with most of the inmate's salary going to pay for the incarceration. The state only makes money from a working citizen who is out there spending money and paying taxes.


You are blithely pretending that nobody with a financial interest is benefiting.

Your mind will blow when you hear about lobbying.
 
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