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2012-06-09 11:47:45 PM
14. One of our favorite lines in the movie is one that has always annoyed Henn. "It's the only line that anyone I ever run into remembers," she says in one Aliens documentary. "And anyone who ever wants to irriate me - my friends - they just say this. They say it for everything. The line was, 'They mostly come out at night. Mostly.' And my friends will say, 'Oh, we mostly go to the movies at night. Mostly' They just come up with whatever they can possibly come up with."

That's awesome.
 
2012-06-09 11:49:27 PM

PanicMan: The Alien biology just got a lot more complicated, for one. I'm still not sure what the small snake-like aliens did. Do they just eat your brain? Does the squid somehow become a facehugger?


All true. I must say I don't really care about this though. I'm not even sure what the hell the relationship is between this planet and the xenomorphs. I didn't get that stuff at all.

PanicMan: And how did the dude who was turning into an Engineer impregnate her with a non-Engineeer? Shouldn't her baby be a muscle-ey pale dude?


He was turning into an Engineer? What made you think that? That's not how I interpreted it, though to be fair my interpretation was mostly not understanding that entire sequence. Here are my questions as it relates to that:

How did David know what he was supposed to do, since they just discovered this stuff?
Why did David do what he did? Did Weyland order him to? If so, why?
Once Shaw goes through her surgery, the whole thing was dropped. What was the point? I don't get any of it. But it was cool to watch, and I was genuinely moved when the immolation scene happens.
 
2012-06-09 11:50:23 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That part of the story was fine... What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).


Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?
 
2012-06-09 11:50:51 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).


Agreed, I didn't like that reveal. Didn't think it added much. Peter Weyland is famous though - the corporation in the first Alien movie is Weyland-Youtani, after all.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: yet the the whole movie is essentially about him surviving


The movie isn't about him at all. Don't confuse the in-story explanation for the purpose of the mission with the point of the movie.
 
2012-06-09 11:51:38 PM

PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That part of the story was fine... What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).

Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?


This!!!
 
2012-06-09 11:52:03 PM

PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That part of the story was fine... What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).

Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?


This drove me NUTS. Seriously. They must have done it because they filmed flashback scenes of Guy Pierce as a young man and then decided to cut them.

While watching those scenes, I kept thinking "this would be so much better if this was just Ian McKellan".
 
2012-06-09 11:54:12 PM

DamnYankees: PanicMan: The Alien biology just got a lot more complicated, for one. I'm still not sure what the small snake-like aliens did. Do they just eat your brain? Does the squid somehow become a facehugger?

All true. I must say I don't really care about this though. I'm not even sure what the hell the relationship is between this planet and the xenomorphs. I didn't get that stuff at all.

PanicMan: And how did the dude who was turning into an Engineer impregnate her with a non-Engineeer? Shouldn't her baby be a muscle-ey pale dude?

He was turning into an Engineer? What made you think that? That's not how I interpreted it, though to be fair my interpretation was mostly not understanding that entire sequence. Here are my questions as it relates to that:

How did David know what he was supposed to do, since they just discovered this stuff?
Why did David do what he did? Did Weyland order him to? If so, why?
Once Shaw goes through her surgery, the whole thing was dropped. What was the point? I don't get any of it. But it was cool to watch, and I was genuinely moved when the immolation scene happens.


Completely agree with the David storyline. Why "infect" Holloway? How did Shaw get pregnant with an alien? If David's mission was to assist Weyland in gettig the engineers to extend his life, why fark with Holloway and Shaw at all? Makes no sense.
 
2012-06-09 11:54:24 PM

Ed Grubermann: therecksays: I highly doubt that when the human race sets out for the stars we will be bringing a device that strikes a primer in a cartridge that ignites powder that then uses gas to propell a lead slug for deadly effect. It wouldn't work in space anyway.

Yes it would. It would work better in space as there's no air resistance to slow the projectile. Modern cartridges contain both the fuel and the oxygen in the propellant mix. You don't think the gun sucks in air to fire, do you?


Exactly. Go to Youtube and search with the words "gun underwater". There are plenty of videos of people firing their firearms underwater. Modern ammunition will probably work just fine in space, and the range of bullets would be incredible without an atmosphere to slow them down.

Firearms are tried and tested, simple, cheap and effective. They will probably be with us a long, long time. And even if they aren't a weapon of some sort will. Knives, spears and axes were among mankind's first tools and we have never been unarmed as a species since. I have little doubt that 400 years from now we will still have weapons, probably just much better ones then we have now. Perhaps firearms, perhaps not - but certainly something at least as destructive and almost certainly MORE destructive.

Weaver and anyone else who thinks we won't have a need for weapons in the future is sweet, but woefully naive.
 
2012-06-09 11:55:18 PM

DamnYankees: PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That part of the story was fine... What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).

Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?

This drove me NUTS. Seriously. They must have done it because they filmed flashback scenes of Guy Pierce as a young man and then decided to cut them.

While watching those scenes, I kept thinking "this would be so much better if this was just Ian McKellan".


I was thinking the opposite: the engineers would give him some magic elixir and turn him young again. Instead he just got slapped to death.
 
2012-06-09 11:59:29 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Completely agree with the David storyline. Why "infect" Holloway? How did Shaw get pregnant with an alien? If David's mission was to assist Weyland in gettig the engineers to extend his life, why fark with Holloway and Shaw at all? Makes no sense.


All I can think is that maybe in his desire to not die, Weyland told David to test anything they found on the planet on the crew. But talk about a shot in the dark.

i will say that even though it made no sense, it was filmed and acted with great ability.
 
2012-06-09 11:59:43 PM

DamnYankees: PanicMan: And how did the dude who was turning into an Engineer impregnate her with a non-Engineeer? Shouldn't her baby be a muscle-ey pale dude?

He was turning into an Engineer? What made you think that? That's not how I interpreted it, though to be fair my interpretation was mostly not understanding that entire sequence. Here are my questions as it relates to that:


I thought that's what the black slime did. I thought that was why the redhead guy came back all strong and rageful, after he fell in the black slime. Maybe not, it wasn't really clear. Lots of things in the movie weren't clear.

DamnYankees: How did David know what he was supposed to do, since they just discovered this stuff?
Why did David do what he did? Did Weyland order him to? If so, why?
Once Shaw goes through her surgery, the whole thing was dropped. What was the point? I don't get any of it. But it was cool to watch, and I was genuinely moved when the immolation scene happens.


Good questions. The goal was immortality, or at least longer life? They seemed to not really have a plan beyond "get there, and then um...". I'm okay with mysteries, but that's some pretty big stuff.
 
2012-06-10 12:01:56 AM

PanicMan: I thought that's what the black slime did. I thought that was why the redhead guy came back all strong and rageful, after he fell in the black slime. Maybe not, it wasn't really clear. Lots of things in the movie weren't clear.


Is that what that sequence was? Again, I had no idea what the point of that was or how he came back to life. I don't really understand how the slime interacts with the xenomorphs, since they seem to be incubated in it, and I'm not sure your explanation squares that circle.
 
2012-06-10 12:04:01 AM

DamnYankees: i will say that even though it made no sense, it was filmed and acted with great ability.


There were some great characters and acting I wish they had explored more.
 
2012-06-10 12:06:37 AM
why the conventional wisdom that 3 and 4 sucked so hard?

besides winona ryder
 
2012-06-10 12:07:22 AM

DamnYankees: PanicMan: I thought that's what the black slime did. I thought that was why the redhead guy came back all strong and rageful, after he fell in the black slime. Maybe not, it wasn't really clear. Lots of things in the movie weren't clear.

Is that what that sequence was? Again, I had no idea what the point of that was or how he came back to life. I don't really understand how the slime interacts with the xenomorphs, since they seem to be incubated in it, and I'm not sure your explanation squares that circle.


The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.
 
2012-06-10 12:08:59 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: PanicMan: I thought that's what the black slime did. I thought that was why the redhead guy came back all strong and rageful, after he fell in the black slime. Maybe not, it wasn't really clear. Lots of things in the movie weren't clear.

Is that what that sequence was? Again, I had no idea what the point of that was or how he came back to life. I don't really understand how the slime interacts with the xenomorphs, since they seem to be incubated in it, and I'm not sure your explanation squares that circle.

The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.


Was that how we are supposed to interpret it? That reptile thing was a worm which grew because of the slime?
 
2012-06-10 12:20:13 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.


I hadn't thought of that. Does that make the Alien a complete accident? Just a byproduct of black goo and Engineer DNA?

Nevermind, that doesn't make sense. They had an image of an Alien on the wall.
 
2012-06-10 12:23:21 AM

DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: DamnYankees: PanicMan: I thought that's what the black slime did. I thought that was why the redhead guy came back all strong and rageful, after he fell in the black slime. Maybe not, it wasn't really clear. Lots of things in the movie weren't clear.

Is that what that sequence was? Again, I had no idea what the point of that was or how he came back to life. I don't really understand how the slime interacts with the xenomorphs, since they seem to be incubated in it, and I'm not sure your explanation squares that circle.

The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.

Was that how we are supposed to interpret it? That reptile thing was a worm which grew because of the slime?


I think so... When they first entered the chamber, they showed 2 or 3 shots of the floor with little worms crawling around, and then the ooze spilled onto them and I think that's where the snake things came from.
 
2012-06-10 12:31:33 AM

PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.

I hadn't thought of that. Does that make the Alien a complete accident? Just a byproduct of black goo and Engineer DNA?

Nevermind, that doesn't make sense. They had an image of an Alien on the wall.


I think the goo itself is the weapon. It takes a life form, a worm, a human, whatever, and turns it into a giant raging monster. Just drop one bottle of the black stuff on a planet's surface and eventually all life will be wiped out. That's my interpretation anyway, based on how the goo affected the worms, Fifield, Holloway, and Shaw's "baby".
 
2012-06-10 12:34:02 AM
One more thing: Shaw's "baby" that killed the engineer seemed to be a giant facehugger. If so, it would seem that whatever David put in Holloway's drink was a little black slime with microscopic facehuggers in it. I think.
 
2012-06-10 12:35:11 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think so... When they first entered the chamber, they showed 2 or 3 shots of the floor with little worms crawling around, and then the ooze spilled onto them and I think that's where the snake things came from.


Where did the worms come from?
 
2012-06-10 12:36:13 AM
davidphogan:

I just saw Prometheus today, and was kind of confused by the first scene and how exactly it related to the rest of the movie. At least that would have made a bit of sense for a setting up the plot early scene.


Well it is what it is, a major prologue. The name of the movie is the opening scene to a T, allegory and all. These, which were either not filmed or cut also help, but I figured it was something along these lines anyways (except for not seen guy#2)

SPOILER
http://lechib.free.fr/livreprometheus/P029.jpg
http://lechib.free.fr/livreprometheus/P030.jpg
 
2012-06-10 12:46:40 AM
DamnYankees: Just got back from Prometheus, and this seems like the only greened thread to discuss it in.

I liked it a lot. It is GORGEOUS. Such an incredibly great looking and well made movie. What struck me was that almost everything in the movie seemed like it was specifically designed to be cool/blow your mind. Given that, I think the movie breaks down like this:

50% was absolutely great and hit exactly, often making me smile in appreciation/horror.
25% was just silly and dumb, and these decisions usually seemed like they belonged in lesser sci-fi.
25% was cool but really didn't make any sense, so even though the decision made you go "whoa", two seconds later you say "wait, that doesn't really make any sense and didn't need to be there"

Don't want to be spoilery, so I'll wait a bit to be specific. Overall, very good.


Good to see a Farker with previously judged good taste agree. Personally i felt like things got a little jumbled 2/3 the way through the movie and motivations fell apart. I can overlook most of the stupid actions, but not clearly seeing the motivation was worrying. Then the end just ended with a nice big, horribly depressing bang; leaving A LOT of big (philosophical) and small (plot) questions. Which is a staple of good science fiction.

Still, it's Scott. Remember KOH? Remember the hack job most of his movies are for their theatrical releases, only to have major characterization, plot and motivation points re-added for the directors cuts?

Prometheus was 135 min, but seemed to go by very quickly. It did feel like it should have been a 180/5 min movie. Looking at the lost scene I posted above, I can only hope a restoration ala KOH is in store with finished, but trimmed footage. It felt there was a bit missing from Shaw, Holloway, Vickers, David, Weylands and the zombie ape black goo guy's plot lines, motivation and visual explanation. Also, something happened with the captain that wasn't really explained and felt out of place.

But overall, a pretty damn solid scifi movie as is cut now. I'm excited to see it again.
 
2012-06-10 12:49:28 AM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Spoiler:

Can someone explain the escape pod thing to me, from Prometheus? The captain said it had two years of life support, yet it just crashes into the ground and Charlize just jumps out to get crushed by the alien ship. Wtf?


The escape habitat was like the captains yacht in Star Trek, and at the back of the ship. She wouldn't have made it in time, nor would it have been safe to be in while it crashed. She went for an escape pod located near the airlocks, closer to the bridge, which brought her down to the surface. Unfortunately close to the crashing ship.
 
2012-06-10 12:50:34 AM

PanicMan: I'm trying to think of where to start. The Alien biology just got a lot more complicated, for one. I'm still not sure what the small snake-like aliens did. Do they just eat your brain? Does the squid somehow become a facehugger?

And how did the dude who was turning into an Engineer impregnate her with a non-Engineeer? Shouldn't her baby be a muscle-ey pale dude?


Maybe these have been answered, but what I thought was that the facehugger comes from biological engineering of the slime. Eat a tiny bit, have sex, and drop off a facehugger that way. Or at least, that was the first facehugger.

I'd assume that at some point between this movie and Alien the engineers come back and find what the queen laid. Maybe she finds her way in the dome, and lays the eggs there. More Earthlings or Engineers show up, and boom, someone who's infected tries to escape, and he sets a crash course for LV-426. He dies with a queen inside him and the autopilot takes him there.

At the same time, the pioneers on Prometheus made spaceflights of that distance nothing, and a Wayland-Yutani beacon picks up the distress signal. Start Alien.

DamnYankees: He was turning into an Engineer? What made you think that? That's not how I interpreted it, though to be fair my interpretation was mostly not understanding that entire sequence. Here are my questions as it relates to that:

How did David know what he was supposed to do, since they just discovered this stuff?
Why did David do what he did? Did Weyland order him to? If so, why?
Once Shaw goes through her surgery, the whole thing was dropped. What was the point? I don't get any of it. But it was cool to watch, and I was genuinely moved when the immolation scene happens.


David was talking to someone, and it was in a real time, so it probably was Weyland. I think that Charlie was turning into the building blocks of life, like the Engineer in the first scene. He was slowly going through what that guy went through very quickly. David did that to him to see if it was deadly or a fountain of life. David probably read a translation of something that said it was a fountain of life, but never shared this. By fountain of life it would convert a human into a God, but that would be the end of your life.

Also keep in mind the question David asked about creating life. "Because you could," seems kinda of like a reason to see what happens if you drink alien slime.

The Engineer was pissed that it's creation didn't get that we aren't meant to life forever. We're here to create new life, even if it takes a self sacrifice. They weren't happy with Earth, it was time to reset.
 
2012-06-10 12:52:20 AM

TyrantII: Well it is what it is, a major prologue. The name of the movie is the opening scene to a T, allegory and all. These, which were either not filmed or cut also help, but I figured it was something along these lines anyways (except for not seen guy#2)

SPOILER
http://lechib.free.fr/livreprometheus/P029.jpg
http://lechib.free.fr/livreprometheus/P030.jpg


Okay, it was what I thought.
 
2012-06-10 12:53:00 AM
Killing off Newt was a BIG mistake. OT but so was Rise of the Machines blowing up the world after we were told it would not happen in Judgement Day.

A huge middle finger to the audience.
 
2012-06-10 12:56:55 AM
DamnYankees: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).

Agreed, I didn't like that reveal. Didn't think it added much. Peter Weyland is famous though - the corporation in the first Alien movie is Weyland-Youtani, after all.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: yet the the whole movie is essentially about him surviving

The movie isn't about him at all. Don't confuse the in-story explanation for the purpose of the mission with the point of the movie.


Seems to be a very reoccurring theme with Ridley Scott.

Birth, life, death, rebirth
Father being replaced by the son who is looking for answers.

Remember Roy Batty in Blade Runner?

There's also some significance/allusion there with David and Meridith. I'm not entirely sure what, but the father/(artificial)son/(biological)daughter dynamic is there.
 
2012-06-10 12:56:57 AM

Strongbeerrules: Killing off Newt was a BIG mistake. OT but so was Rise of the Machines blowing up the world after we were told it would not happen in Judgement Day.

A huge middle finger to the audience.


Way too much time had passed for her not to have aged.
 
2012-06-10 12:59:03 AM

TyrantII: There's also some significance/allusion there with David and Meridith.


David means "beloved" or "house of the beloved".

/a David
 
2012-06-10 12:59:10 AM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: That part of the story was fine... What I didn't like is that the whole expedition was basically to find life-extending procedures for Weyland. Who is Weyland? Some old guy in a holographic corporate training video (until the third act reveal).

Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?

This!!!


The TED viral marketing campaign / prologue?

Honestly, he nailed the faux TED speech, and it was a nice touch he was in the movie. I agree the makeup was a little of a letdown and reminiscent of a low budget trek episode, but the connection to the prologue was what made it special IMO.
 
2012-06-10 12:59:25 AM

RoxtarRyan: This is one of the things that makes her a terrible actress. Real life != make believe. "I'm sorry, I'm part Native American, I can't do a film about going into space and colonizing it because look at what happened when the white man colonized the North American continent. But if you give me more money, I can shut my mouth."


It's not all her fault. She went to Madeira.
 
2012-06-10 01:01:16 AM

Strongbeerrules: Rise of the Machines blowing up the world


That was the only good scene in the entire film.
 
2012-06-10 01:03:15 AM

TyrantII: Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?

This!!!

The TED viral marketing campaign / prologue?

Honestly, he nailed the faux TED speech, and it was a nice touch he was in the movie. I agree the makeup was a little of a letdown and reminiscent of a low budget trek episode, but the connection to the prologue was what made it special IMO.


I'd guess future casting. It's tough to use him in a sequel if he's died.
 
2012-06-10 01:04:43 AM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

Completely agree with the David storyline. Why "infect" Holloway? How did Shaw get pregnant with an alien? If David's mission was to assist Weyland in gettig the engineers to extend his life, why fark with Holloway and Shaw at all? Makes no sense.


David's motivations do concern me a bit, and it was one of my problems. But we do see that he is very curious, and very... action prone. He was constantly acting on his curiosity, before weighing the concerns of the group or possible bad outcomes. Learning at all costs seemed to be his programming and motivation.

I found it very interesting that he first asked Holloway what he would do, what cost would be his payment to find out the secret of the engineers. Hollow replied that he wouldn't and was prepared to do ANYTHING to have that answer. It was then that David infected him with the goo.

While it might break Asimov's laws of robotics, it was interesting that David almost requested permission, even unwittingly, to do what he did. Clever.... Android.
 
2012-06-10 01:04:52 AM
The black goo has no consistent rules and does whatever the writers want it to do at any given moment.

Also, how does the squid thing grow to vast size locked in a medical bay? You can't make mass from fresh air. Also, why are the Engineers way smaller than the original Space Jockey? Also, a medical unit for males only, situated in an escape pod inhabited by a woman. Oh, fark off Ridley...

Guy Pearce's shiatty "old man" make-up and crappy acting. Overacting from the mohican guy. petting the alien snake (as one would naturally do). Just farking stupid crap.
 
2012-06-10 01:10:40 AM
DamnYankees: PanicMan: I thought that's what the black slime did. I thought that was why the redhead guy came back all strong and rageful, after he fell in the black slime. Maybe not, it wasn't really clear. Lots of things in the movie weren't clear.

Is that what that sequence was? Again, I had no idea what the point of that was or how he came back to life. I don't really understand how the slime interacts with the xenomorphs, since they seem to be incubated in it, and I'm not sure your explanation squares that circle.


One thing that confused me is the black slime almost seemed separate from the black nanotech like stuff in the ampoules. It seemed to me the black slime was the containers themselves breaking down, first on their tops, then down the sides (remember David seeing the top change?). Once in the lab, the ampoule's are removed, and seem to have a different effect. I do wish it was better explained.

The murals of the TRUE xeno and xeno / engineer / egg on the wall are interesting. Also of notice was the very human qualities of proto-xeno which was conceived in Shaw. It was almost humorous that the thing was more human esque and had some pearly, human whites and gums. But it was a very obvious decision, especially since it was a painstakenly created prop.
 
2012-06-10 01:11:10 AM

TyrantII: I found it very interesting that he first asked Holloway what he would do, what cost would be his payment to find out the secret of the engineers. Hollow replied that he wouldn't and was prepared to do ANYTHING to have that answer. It was then that David infected him with the goo.

While it might break Asimov's laws of robotics, it was interesting that David almost requested permission, even unwittingly, to do what he did. Clever.... Android.


Exactly. Between that and his comment about, "because we could" spoke to what David was learning.
 
2012-06-10 01:13:50 AM

Suede head: The black goo has no consistent rules and does whatever the writers want it to do at any given moment.

Also, how does the squid thing grow to vast size locked in a medical bay? You can't make mass from fresh air. Also, why are the Engineers way smaller than the original Space Jockey? Also, a medical unit for males only, situated in an escape pod inhabited by a woman. Oh, fark off Ridley...

Guy Pearce's shiatty "old man" make-up and crappy acting. Overacting from the mohican guy. petting the alien snake (as one would naturally do). Just farking stupid crap.


Space Jockey size, great point. I remember thinking "these engineers seem way too small, they're only 1.5x larger than normal humans."

Bottom line, I think this movie did to Alien what Phantom Menace did to Star Wars: we see the space jockey, and its underwhelming. It's just a tall, pale human. Really? Who gives a fark?
 
2012-06-10 01:14:16 AM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:
The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.


People are calling the Biologist a zombie (well, cause obviously zombies are in!) but to me it felt exactly like the silverbacks in Congo. A super ape, pissed off and looking for blood. Which kinda lines up with what the black goo seems to do when it's not ingested by a SJ.

There's production photo's ion the net of him where you get a better look, and he look more like something out of Resident Evil or the toxic waste guy from Robocop. He wasn't a zombie per say, but he was having a very bad day, thus the PO'd-ness.
 
2012-06-10 01:20:54 AM
PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The black slime apparently makes thing huge and violent. The snake thing that killed the biologist was a small worm, until the black goo covered it.

I hadn't thought of that. Does that make the Alien a complete accident? Just a byproduct of black goo and Engineer DNA?

Nevermind, that doesn't make sense. They had an image of an Alien on the wall.


apologies, trying to catch up on a interesting thread (don't go over to IMDB, you'll rip your eyes out and try to get back into hell)

The back goo from 4 billion years ago on earth seemed a bit different then what the crew of the Prometheus found. Hints seem to say that it has been advanced and weaponized in the time since the rouge SJ gave Earth it's fire. The hologram recordings, and the "cells" on the SJ head, also seemed to suggest that the same outbreak occurred on LV-224, killing the SJ's.

We do know from the murals that the SJ's seem to have a high opinion of the Xeno's, and we know the Xeno's are somewhat a mix of biological and before though of mechanical things (carbon, silicon, metal, acid, ect). Maybe, probably in the next flick, well find out they were experimenting with their goo and refining it with the Xeno's makeup, which like Ash they saw as a exquisite being.
 
2012-06-10 01:23:40 AM
PanicMan: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I think so... When they first entered the chamber, they showed 2 or 3 shots of the floor with little worms crawling around, and then the ooze spilled onto them and I think that's where the snake things came from.

Where did the worms come from?


Big problem here. You can say they were in the sealed room, and not an issue until the seal was broken.

I would have rather the scientists contaminated the room with bacteria on their skin, and that creates them. But that's much harder to get across to the audience without flat out telling them and making some stupid dialogue to explain it.
 
2012-06-10 01:25:33 AM

Suede head: The black goo has no consistent rules and does whatever the writers want it to do at any given moment.

Also, how does the squid thing grow to vast size locked in a medical bay? You can't make mass from fresh air. Also, why are the Engineers way smaller than the original Space Jockey? Also, a medical unit for males only, situated in an escape pod inhabited by a woman. Oh, fark off Ridley...

Guy Pearce's shiatty "old man" make-up and crappy acting. Overacting from the mohican guy. petting the alien snake (as one would naturally do). Just farking stupid crap.


The black goo wasn't that inconsistent. Fifield just had ingested more of it than Holloway. The growth thing bothered me a little too, but it also bothered me in Alien when the chestburster grew into a xenomorph. The medical unit was for Weyland, obviously. I don't know how you could have missed that.
 
2012-06-10 01:26:48 AM
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Here's what I figure. The goo messes up/does weird things to organic material, altering DNA and other things. When Holloway bangs Shaw, he's giving her haploids, only part of a genetic code. His half is all mangled/mutated. Her code doesn't mix properly, either, b/c apparently she's barren (no eggs? Bad womb? Leaking tubes?) They don't say how she's barren, so who knows how his crazy warped DNA mixes w/ her DNA into a squid baby face hugger. But we can all agree that it's somehow doing something differently than lying face down in a puddle of ooze or drinking said ooze.
 
2012-06-10 01:27:05 AM
davidphogan: TyrantII: Why was Weyland played by a young guy made to look like an old guy? Why not just use an old guy?

This!!!

The TED viral marketing campaign / prologue?

Honestly, he nailed the faux TED speech, and it was a nice touch he was in the movie. I agree the makeup was a little of a letdown and reminiscent of a low budget trek episode, but the connection to the prologue was what made it special IMO.

I'd guess future casting. It's tough to use him in a sequel if he's died.


Scott did ask for 250 million, 2 films and R rights. He got 1 film 130 million and R rights with a sequel if it did well.

Flashbacks in movie 2 very well could be the reason. Along wit more viral marketing, short stories, ect.
 
2012-06-10 01:27:25 AM

davidphogan: Strongbeerrules: Killing off Newt was a BIG mistake. OT but so was Rise of the Machines blowing up the world after we were told it would not happen in Judgement Day.

A huge middle finger to the audience.

Way too much time had passed for her not to have aged.


Yes, but they could have cast someone else. The Search for Spock did so with Saavik.
 
2012-06-10 01:29:59 AM
Suede head: The black goo has no consistent rules and does whatever the writers want it to do at any given moment.

Also, how does the squid thing grow to vast size locked in a medical bay? You can't make mass from fresh air. Also, why are the Engineers way smaller than the original Space Jockey? Also, a medical unit for males only, situated in an escape pod inhabited by a woman. Oh, fark off Ridley...

Guy Pearce's shiatty "old man" make-up and crappy acting. Overacting from the mohican guy. petting the alien snake (as one would naturally do). Just farking stupid crap.


As to the bold part, it was foreshadowing to Weylands reveal, right before it happened. We later find out Vickers was never supposed to be on the mission, and the pod and surgical unit was actually Weylands.
 
2012-06-10 01:40:17 AM

Strongbeerrules: Yes, but they could have cast someone else. The Search for Spock did so with Saavik.


I'm the rare Alien fan who liked 3, and loved the recut even more. It closed the story, even if it was done so in a fairly mediocre way. It was still better than almost any other #3 in a series movie I can think of.

Overall, the story worked. She was a woman who had just been used and abused by The Man her whole life, and she ends up on a planet inhabited by people like her, other than she's a woman. She was a victim of all of them, and like all of them. She had dealt with her family being destroyed, her friends and other humans being killed in front of her, and she had lost everything, twice.

Yet, she's given one last chance on a planet nobody is ever given another chance, and the prisoners help give her a last chance. She confronts her (literal) demons, and wins, even though her choice is to trust the company that has repeatedly shown no regard for anything that gets in their way, or take things into her own hands and self-abort.

Prometheus touched on a lot of the topics from the first three movies, but that got it's own sub-plot in a way.

Maybe they could have cast someone else, but they didn't need to. The point of the third one, much like Terminator 3, was that nobody gets out of this no matter how safe we might seen. At some point, the shiat will hit the fan.
 
2012-06-10 01:42:24 AM

thamike: Strongbeerrules: Rise of the Machines blowing up the world

That was the only good scene in the entire film.


Have you forgotten Kristanna Loken's birthday suit when she first arrives?

Having said that, still a disappointment. The story was told in the first two films.

Don't get me started on the television series.
 
2012-06-10 01:44:06 AM
Here's a question. Is Terminator Salvation a prequel, since it occurs before John Connor sends Kyle Reese back in time?
 
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