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2012-06-09 10:40:25 AM
[...]where consumers might feel enough loyalty to, say, Radiohead to buy their latest release rather than download it illegally, porn users don't have the same feelings about the Dirty Debutantes series.

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They then sign up to a lifestyle that inflicts stress and illness, not to mention embarrassment, on its young foot soldiers[...]


In fairness, while porn girls do take more headshots than, say, marines, they are far more likely to walk away from them. Rarely are they made to get vaccinated for tropical disease, slog through semen all night and face the phallus in a dawn attack, and outside of Japan they rarely come under anything like artillery bombardment.

I interviewed him in his office in LA and visited him on the set of a production entitled Forced Entry, a film about rape.

The film was "about" rape only in the sense that Stallone's First Blood movies were "about" guerrilla warfare.

[...]his being a friendly, intelligent guy - albeit in an over-caffeinated way - while making porn films that specialised in degrading women.

Dude. It wasn't caffeine.

Black is adept at putting a positive spin on the retrenchment that porn had undergone. But he appears somewhat ravaged and looks older than his 38 years. He has the air of someone who has been through something that hasn't killed him, but which hasn't made him stronger either.


(Insert your favorite Boogie Nights pic here.)

He had a reputation for being a dependable "woodsman" and was well liked in adult circles.

The porn industry has sullied my memories of Deerslayer and Daniel Boone.

Jon Dough's widow is a fellow performer whose stage name is Monique DeMoan. They met on the set of Dr Butts 3: The Anal Asylum and eventually had a daughter together.

There are no words.

A few hours later, the two performers are laughing and showering together, both happy with how the shoot had gone. In a reversal of the usual order of things, they are flirting and becoming friends after sex.

I do the same with hookers. But, apparently, they're really just porn actresses that haven't been filmed yet.
 
2012-06-09 10:41:14 AM

PizzaJedi81: gilatrout: PizzaJedi81: gilatrout: It isn't piracy or theft when they give it away for free.

\off to do my morning "constitutional"

You're talking about masturbation, aren't you?

I still have some unfinished work to do with yesterdays boobie thread. Now stop interrupting me.

Yeah, I know it's hard to recover when someone, ahem, breaks my stride.




damn rookies liters. :D
 
2012-06-09 10:41:16 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: r1niceboy: Even with tube porn, finding the niche you like can be difficult, but some pay site somewhere will offer it. The industry will survive, but the conveyor belt of identical looking Vivid stars will go away. Or so I hope.

This. Right. Here.

The problem with porn before the internet is that you only got one real kind: 'perfect' looking people dry-humping. With the Internet, you get real-looking people doing a variety of things that aren't solely biological. Fetishes are brought into it and it's more personalized. The days of accepting one sort of porn actor--a deep-fried plastic surgery nightmare--is now see rightfully as wholly unrealistic and startling fake.

The Porn Industry should have taken notes instead of accusing the Internet of pirating its sad wares. It has nothing to do with pirating, it has everything to do with a lazy business model that got oneupped by a more realistic model featuring...well, more realistic people having hot realistic sex.


When you said This. Right. Here. You were referring to his second sentence and not the first, right? If you did mean you also have trouble finding a niche then I am genuinely curious what your niches are. Because from what I can tell the internet has an impressive variety of porn. e.g. Random porn list of possible niches.

You guys must have some very interesting fetishes.
 
2012-06-09 10:43:42 AM

Rexipsa: If only it had killed porn itself.

Oh, I forgot, this is FARK, where it's cool to degrade and exploit women because it pissed off the Christians.


Not all women feel that way. I for one really enjoy hardcore porn, the more degrading to women the better, generally. I find porn directed to be for women's tastes horrifyingly dull, and not at all moisturizing IYKWIM
 
2012-06-09 10:43:47 AM

cig-mkr: So if you get popped with a hooker, your defense could be " Your Honor, I was casting for a porn movie and was testing her abilities to finish the job, and yes I paid for her travel expenses"


Open a "star in your own porno, we'll supply the partner" studio and you'll be rich!
 
2012-06-09 10:45:07 AM

WhippingBoy: Digital Communist: It's possible, you know, that Jon Dough had a great life that he chose for himself surrounded by people he loved. But he was sick, and it took his life.

Didn't the article say he killed himself because of his coke addiction?


FTA written by the guy who obviously wants to portray porn in the worst light possible: "But when he killed himself in 2006 at the age of 43 it was widely assumed that the woes of the industry - and specifically declining DVD sales - played a role."

My point was that if he killed himself, then he was very likely sick. It wasn't the porn industry that killed him as the author is boldly implying.
 
2012-06-09 10:45:26 AM

elvisaintdead: damn rookies liters. :D


Hey, now, I've TotalFARKed before...but, sadly, finances are too tight, even for $5 per month.

/the only time the word tight will be used in this thread.
 
2012-06-09 10:47:55 AM

r1niceboy: Even with tube porn, finding the niche you like can be difficult, but some pay site somewhere will offer it. The industry will survive, but the conveyor belt of identical looking Vivid stars will go away. Or so I hope.


MFC FTW
 
2012-06-09 10:51:22 AM
www.hotflick.net
Yeah, but it doesn't actually show dick going in which is a huge concern. Besides, have you ever seen a vagina by itself? Not for me.
 
2012-06-09 10:52:47 AM

BumpInTheNight: Author sounds very sheltered and how shall I say this...'dainty'.


That's his method. He comes on the wide-eyed, non-threatening innocent and he gets his subjects to open up like they don't for anyone else. He is very, very good at this.
 
2012-06-09 10:52:52 AM

KiwDaWabbit: The piracy argument, by and large, is a non sequitur.

The only way you can have lost revenue is if someone had the intention of purchasing of purchasing the product in the first place. By and large, the (pirating) decisions thought process results in a choice between pirating and not pirating, not pirating in the place of a purchase.


Yes. Just like a stolen car is not a lost sale for Ford.
 
2012-06-09 10:56:17 AM

Nana's Vibrator: FTFA: Now they find themselves out of work, looking for a Plan B, when the only experience on their resumé is having sex for cash.


He says it like it's a bad thing. Call me, Ashlynn. (note the well-placed comma)

He also talks about Jon Dough killing himself, then makes a giant leap in logic saying the downturn in the industry caused it...and not the fact that he was getting older, had no other means of income, and when he took a look at his life, he realized he met his wife on the movie set of "Dr. Butts.........3!!!!" It's likely that he often had to wait to talk with her after she spit some other guy's semen out.
We can only sit in agony and await the fate of those superstars who can attribute their union to the set of Dr. Butts 4 and "Anal Conspiracy 12"

Shut up, you Mo Rocco looking motherfarker. Porn invented and sustains the internet. More people watch porn now than in any other time in the history of mankind. Dick.


RTFA. He committed suicide because of his coke addiction.
 
2012-06-09 10:58:08 AM

SDRR: cig-mkr: So if you get popped with a hooker, your defense could be " Your Honor, I was casting for a porn movie and was testing her abilities to finish the job, and yes I paid for her travel expenses"

Open a "star in your own porno, we'll supply the partner" studio and you'll be rich!


Now, that has merit ! Hummm, I'm thinking, I'd have to be in the room to direct too.
Yes, this can be done. A booth at all the local strip clubs.....
 
2012-06-09 10:58:12 AM

Nana's Vibrator: FTFA: Now they find themselves out of work, looking for a Plan B, when the only experience on their resumé is having sex for cash.


He says it like it's a bad thing. Call me, Ashlynn. (note the well-placed comma)

He also talks about Jon Dough killing himself, then makes a giant leap in logic saying the downturn in the industry caused it...and not the fact that he was getting older, had no other means of income, and when he took a look at his life, he realized he met his wife on the movie set of "Dr. Butts.........3!!!!" It's likely that he often had to wait to talk with her after she spit some other guy's semen out.
We can only sit in agony and await the fate of those superstars who can attribute their union to the set of Dr. Butts 4 and "Anal Conspiracy 12"

Shut up, you Mo Rocco looking motherfarker. Porn invented and sustains the internet. More people watch porn now than in any other time in the history of mankind. Dick.


No, he says that the downturn is widely perceived to have contributed to his suicide.
 
2012-06-09 11:02:05 AM
I've been through the phase of seeking out ever more vile and outlandish sex acts but I just find that stuff grim and depressing now. What floats my boat is well-shot images of classy, well-dressed, confident women, no nudity need be involved. You can find that stuff on the stock photo sites.
 
2012-06-09 11:04:01 AM

tomWright: "subby reaped all the sweet rewards"

Yeah, a GF once told me eating a lot of ginger-root would make the 'rewards' sweet. But we broke up before the experiment was complete.

Anyone want to pick up the experiment? I'll supply the ginger-root


Sure, send me her email address and I'll report the findings
 
2012-06-09 11:09:54 AM
Am I the only one that mis-read the headline as "subby raped all the sweet rewards"?

OK, I'll just be over here by myself, then.
 
2012-06-09 11:20:23 AM

Digital Communist: So they couldn't afford an army of lawyers and congressmen to defend their antiquated business model like the RIAA and MPAA?


I guess you never heard of a law firm that went by the name of "ACS:Law"

Link


Their business model was ostensibly tracking down IP addresses of those sharing porno flicks online and suing the owners on behalf of the copyright owners, Of course, they never really checked out those IP addresses but planned on the recipients of the lawsuit being too ashamed to fight it. Extortion scam, plain and simple.
They didn't count on some people fighting back and the British government stepping in.

They are no more, but you can bet there are other slimy lawyers out there with this business model.
 
2012-06-09 11:20:32 AM

Rexipsa: Oh, I forgot, this is FARK, where it's cool to degrade and exploit women because it pissed off the Christians


i.imgur.com
Laughing all the way to the bank.

/while walking bowlegged
 
2012-06-09 11:25:07 AM

cig-mkr: SDRR: cig-mkr: So if you get popped with a hooker, your defense could be " Your Honor, I was casting for a porn movie and was testing her abilities to finish the job, and yes I paid for her travel expenses"

Open a "star in your own porno, we'll supply the partner" studio and you'll be rich!

Now, that has merit ! Hummm, I'm thinking, I'd have to be in the room to direct too.
Yes, this can be done. A booth at all the local strip clubs.....


img2.bdbphotos.com

Already beat you to this business model. I'm sure there's room in the market for competition though.
 
2012-06-09 11:27:47 AM
I've always been under the impression that the porn industry created the Internet.
 
2012-06-09 11:27:53 AM
It's amazing that there's any porn industry left. I guess there's still enough suckers and weirdos out there to keep it going, either by not being aware of the internet or just too stubborn to change. I dunno. Free is one thing, but the much better product that results from real people engaging in real sex is the main draw. No fake-titted porn queens in high heels and dragon-lady fingernails hiding behind skank make-up while they pretend to be into it. Of course, the industry has all but abandoned that in favor of the more popular homemade look, but they rarely pull it off. And then, of course, they expect you to pay them for it.

Which, as TFA states, leaves the high-end market. Like that's what I really want to see - more plot in my porn. Or a satire of Batman or The Simpsons. I doubt any of them even come close in production quality or writing to a non-industry "porn" film like 9 Songs, and that wasn't exactly a good movie. But it at least had actors that could be convincing in between their copulations.
 
2012-06-09 11:30:41 AM
Chuck Klosterman makes an interesting point in one of his essays... guys spend all day wishing the women they see looked more like Vivid porn stars, then go home and spend two hours looking at amateur porn and ignoring the starlet stuff. I guess it's the same principle that makes BIE way more exciting than a Google search for "nice tits."
 
2012-06-09 11:42:32 AM
trik.kitaj.net

For about a dollar a day, you can sponsor an unemployed adult film worker.
Contact us at Feed The Fluffers.org
 
2012-06-09 11:52:03 AM

Mr. Potatoass: [trik.kitaj.net image 290x387]

For about a dollar a day, you can sponsor an unemployed adult film worker.
Contact us at Feed The Fluffers.org


Thanks alot. Somebody turn that damned Sara Mclachan off!!!
 
2012-06-09 11:55:10 AM

Mr. Potatoass: [trik.kitaj.net image 290x387]

For about a dollar a day, you can sponsor an unemployed adult film worker.
Contact us at Feed The Fluffers.org


Link is broke.

rohar: img2.bdbphotos.com

Already beat you to this business model.


Who is that?
 
2012-06-09 11:55:12 AM

Happy Hours: tomWright: r1niceboy: Even with tube porn, finding the niche you like can be difficult, but some pay site somewhere will offer it.

I just wish sites would offer a "Do not want" search option. I hate it when browsing lesbian teen cheerleader stripper spinner porn and then have a thai ladyboy show up in the list. That is just so wrong and psychological traumatic. I really ought to sue for mental anguish and losses.

The industry will survive, but the conveyor belt of identical looking Vivid stars will go away. Or so I hope.

This. Do they send them all to the same boob-job shop or just breed them on a farm? Please do not tell me they are GM, I would have to boycott.

/Amateurs all the way.


ha ha - chalk you up as "traumatized by ladyboys".


I'm traumatized by real women whose "real" has been eradicated by plastic surgeons. I saw a vid once where the woman's nipples had one pointing up the way and the other down and to the left. She had lazy nipple. It quite put me off my stroke. Now I like the amateur German stuff. I never have the sound on so I can pretend what's going on.
 
2012-06-09 11:59:30 AM
But, Lily Thai is still getting paid right?

She seems to enjoy it so much, it would be a crime if she wasn't.
 
2012-06-09 12:09:23 PM
My wife will miss the high budget porns, she liked porn with a story for some reason.
 
2012-06-09 12:09:23 PM

rohar: cig-mkr: SDRR: cig-mkr: So if you get popped with a hooker, your defense could be " Your Honor, I was casting for a porn movie and was testing her abilities to finish the job, and yes I paid for her travel expenses"

Open a "star in your own porno, we'll supply the partner" studio and you'll be rich!

Now, that has merit ! Hummm, I'm thinking, I'd have to be in the room to direct too.
Yes, this can be done. A booth at all the local strip clubs.....

[img2.bdbphotos.com image 220x280]

Already beat you to this business model. I'm sure there's room in the market for competition though.


Wow, I haven't seen her in a while. It took a minute to remember her name.
 
2012-06-09 12:14:32 PM
They need a new business model. Look at Apple with music. When it is cheap enough, you will download a nicely indexed easy to find no guilt legal copy vs. going to the trouble of finding and stealing it. Considering from TFA how little these girls are making, reasonable .99 downloads or $20/year subscriptions to "Vivid" or the Porn Store or whatever for all you can download would make sense and would be more money in their pockets, assuming that they ever wear any. And it has to be download, not streaming, since that is the Apple model, and since everyone does not have high speed. Oh, you say, "but you are giving it away", but you are also capturing the entire market, so you do make up for it in volume in this case.
 
2012-06-09 12:16:30 PM

fragMasterFlash: Silly me, I thought AIDS killed the pr0n business.


Just gay porn.
 
2012-06-09 12:19:27 PM
I am going to take a wild guess and predict that the porn industry will start focusing more on drawing women in (thus broadening their consumer base) by using better looking men such as:

i669.photobucket.com

i306.photobucket.com

i214.photobucket.com

img.photobucket.com

i397.photobucket.com

i1225.photobucket.com

i1225.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-09 12:19:58 PM
The big outfit commercial porn has always been terrible (I call it "Plastic Porn"). When people finally got a large availability of choice they dumped that shiat for the good stuff. Capitalism at work.

It's not unlike what is happening to the music and movie markets.
 
2012-06-09 12:24:18 PM

KarmicDisaster: When it is cheap enough, you will download a nicely indexed easy to find no guilt legal copy vs. going to the trouble of finding and stealing it.


Yes, horrible trouble. The better part of a minute, if it's obscure.
 
2012-06-09 12:31:40 PM
Youporn and Spank wire need a "real boobs" and a "midget" tab and my life would be complete. The big boobs category us a bunch of bolt ons and midget doesn't exist.
 
2012-06-09 12:35:09 PM

titwrench: midget doesn't exist.


Not as a category...
 
2012-06-09 12:40:39 PM

MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...


That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.
 
2012-06-09 01:00:18 PM

titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...

That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.


Not to mention, you have to sort out the clips where the guys are the midgets. Pain in the ass.
 
2012-06-09 01:02:09 PM

BumpInTheNight: Author sounds very sheltered and how shall I say this...'dainty'.


Sounds like you've swallowed his bait.

I've been a big fan of Louis since I first came across him on Michael Moore's "TV Nation" many years ago.

Theroux comes across as innocent and harmless so people trust him and open up. Then he puts the dagger in. He has an enormous pair, too. He "inadvertently" mocks white supramacists, militia freaks and other assorted fruits and nuts. The "innocent" approach is the only thing that keeps him from getting his ass kicked.

See if you can find any of his "Weird Weekend" shows to watch. Hysterical. Few shows have as many laughs.
 
2012-06-09 01:04:12 PM

zappaisfrank:

That's why the "girl off the street" stuff is fun sometimes..

[i246.photobucket.com image 316x237]


So this. BRCC and ECG FTW!
 
2012-06-09 01:17:20 PM

MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...

That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.

Not to mention, you have to sort out the clips where the guys are the midgets. Pain in the ass.


You so get me.
 
2012-06-09 01:19:35 PM

titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...

That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.

Not to mention, you have to sort out the clips where the guys are the midgets. Pain in the ass.

You so get me.


*brofist*
...but wash your hands first.
 
2012-06-09 01:26:02 PM

MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...

That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.

Not to mention, you have to sort out the clips where the guys are the midgets. Pain in the ass.

You so get me.

*brofist*
...but wash your hands first.


You are now farkied as "shares my frustrations with midget porn"
 
2012-06-09 01:28:18 PM

swahnhennessy: KarmicDisaster: When it is cheap enough, you will download a nicely indexed easy to find no guilt legal copy vs. going to the trouble of finding and stealing it.

Yes, horrible trouble. The better part of a minute, if it's obscure.


All I can say, is that it seems to be working for music, which is certainly not any more difficult to search for. Plenty of buyers using iTunes even though they could steal that stuff.
 
2012-06-09 01:40:46 PM

titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...

That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.

Not to mention, you have to sort out the clips where the guys are the midgets. Pain in the ass.

You so get me.

*brofist*
...but wash your hands first.

You are now farkied as "shares my frustrations with midget porn"


There's a super short blonde gal with one of them exotic names, but it escapes me at the moment. She's like 4'0"...but you probably already know who I'm talking about.

/6'1"
//wonders what it would be like with a short gal.
 
2012-06-09 01:41:21 PM

Rexipsa: If only it had killed porn itself.

Oh, I forgot, this is FARK, where it's cool to degrade and exploit women because it pissed off the Christians.


Last time I checked, what "pissed off Christians" was giving women health care, birth control, and ownership of their bodies.
 
2012-06-09 01:44:41 PM

KarmicDisaster: swahnhennessy: KarmicDisaster: When it is cheap enough, you will download a nicely indexed easy to find no guilt legal copy vs. going to the trouble of finding and stealing it.

Yes, horrible trouble. The better part of a minute, if it's obscure.

All I can say, is that it seems to be working for music, which is certainly not any more difficult to search for. Plenty of buyers using iTunes even though they could steal that stuff.


With music, if you want the Beatles the Glee version won't do nor will a local cover band nor the lady next door singing in her shower.

With porn, on the other hand...
 
2012-06-09 01:47:45 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: KarmicDisaster: swahnhennessy: KarmicDisaster: When it is cheap enough, you will download a nicely indexed easy to find no guilt legal copy vs. going to the trouble of finding and stealing it.

Yes, horrible trouble. The better part of a minute, if it's obscure.

All I can say, is that it seems to be working for music, which is certainly not any more difficult to search for. Plenty of buyers using iTunes even though they could steal that stuff.

With music, if you want the Beatles the Glee version won't do nor will a local cover band nor the lady next door singing in her shower.

With porn, on the other hand...


Then the lady next door singing in her shower is perfect!
 
2012-06-09 01:48:29 PM

MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: MoronLessOff: titwrench: midget doesn't exist.

Not as a category...

That is what I meant. When I am in the mood to rub one out I don't want to do a lot of typing. I want to click a tab and go. Midget tab please.

Not to mention, you have to sort out the clips where the guys are the midgets. Pain in the ass.

You so get me.

*brofist*
...but wash your hands first.

You are now farkied as "shares my frustrations with midget porn"

There's a super short blonde gal with one of them exotic names, but it escapes me at the moment. She's like 4'0"...but you probably already know who I'm talking about.

/6'1"
//wonders what it would be like with a short gal.


The shortest I've had was 4' 11". She was Colombian. I also am 6' 1". It was fun. Oddly enough she made me the godfather to her children.
 
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