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2012-06-09 01:26:00 PM

MoronLessOff: I still haven't watched it, although I am curious. I loved PPG and Foster's Home, and who doesn't love Adventure Time.

Maybe I should take some time out of my busy busy work schedule to pull up an episode.


I recommend "Lesson Zero" as the first episode you should watch. It's season 2 but it's pretty damn good and you get the general idea, all the characters, and it's certainly NOT the best.
 
2012-06-09 01:27:28 PM
It's very simple. Holders of the Real Man[tm] card get to decide what that means. If you, like many in this thread, spend any amount of time obsessing that someone else's hobby is threatening to your masculinity, that ain't you. So stop pretending you are. You're not.
 
2012-06-09 01:27:42 PM
Shadow Blasko:
Doesn't matter.

We're still gonna love and tolerate the shiat outta you.


Doesn't matter.

The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.
 
2012-06-09 01:28:46 PM
cdn.smosh.com
 
2012-06-09 01:29:29 PM
Zerocyde: The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.

So, just out of curiousity, what do you do, again?
 
2012-06-09 01:29:59 PM

Zerocyde: Shadow Blasko:
Doesn't matter.

We're still gonna love and tolerate the shiat outta you.

Doesn't matter.

The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.


img.ponibooru.org
 
2012-06-09 01:32:13 PM

Zerocyde: Doesn't matter.

The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.


You seem upset. Ponies can help that. do you need a hug?

i.neoseeker.com
 
2012-06-09 01:32:57 PM

Zerocyde: Shadow Blasko:
Doesn't matter.

We're still gonna love and tolerate the shiat outta you.

Doesn't matter.

The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.


Don't bother me. I got kicked out of the He Man Woman Haters club years ago.

I still get more pussy than your local pound and that works for yo... see you around.

/Gotta stop listening to PonySwag
 
2012-06-09 01:33:15 PM

doglover: [i.imgur.com image 640x613]


i4.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-09 01:34:00 PM

Shadow Blasko: Zerocyde: Shadow Blasko:
Doesn't matter.

We're still gonna love and tolerate the shiat outta you.

Doesn't matter.

The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.

Don't bother me. I got kicked out of the He Man Woman Haters club years ago.

I still get more pussy than your local pound and that works for yo... see you around.

/Gotta stop listening to PonySwag


Crush. Kill. Destroy. Swag.
 
2012-06-09 01:35:35 PM

pedobearapproved: The MLP cartoon has been around since 2010. No one here was watching that show when they were 12.


Mostly wrong?

When I was a kid I desperately wanted to watch the original MLP cartoon, but my parents wouldn't spring for the Disney channel. I'd sometimes catch it at a friend's house. These days, I'm kind of glad I never wasted too much time watching it, because it royally sucked.

The new series has actual characters and plot, so that's a serious upgrade. It also lacks human characters - the old show encouraged us to want to be friends with (play with, in the form of toys) the ponies, while the new show encourages identification with the ponies, which is why there are so many clearly defined character types. (Which in turn encourages children to want the toys and character goods of the pony they most identify with or admire.)

I was largely attracted to the new, well-done MLP cartoon specifically because of my history with the original show and toy line. If I hadn't had an army of ponies and the remembrance of the desire for the show, I probably wouldn't have picked up on Friendship is Magic.
 
2012-06-09 01:35:43 PM

pedobearapproved: Edziak: Sorry, I only like things that the have been deemed appropriate for my age and gender. Want to join my very fun and socially appropriate club? We mostly watch NBC sitcoms while drinking Michelob Ultra. Mainstream culture rocks!

nice logical fallacy.


Then it's equally fallacious to say that adult males shouldn't watch MLP. I'm trying to use sarcasm to illustrate how absurd it is to make objective judgments of peoples personal tastes.
 
2012-06-09 01:36:32 PM

Zerocyde: Shadow Blasko:
Doesn't matter.

We're still gonna love and tolerate the shiat outta you.

Doesn't matter.

The definition of masculinity still doesn't include you.


Seems Zerocyde is compensating for something.
 
2012-06-09 01:36:40 PM

Gleeman: Coco LaFemme: Find something else to criticize people about.

This x infinity.

Crude: If a male hasn't weened himself off of cartoons by the age of 15, then you know that there is a developmental issue at hand.

[i.imgur.com image 400x300]
Roger Ebert disagrees. You're the one missing out, not us.

/tell us about your Mother


Aww, now I'm sad... Forgot about that film...
 
2012-06-09 01:37:30 PM

doglover: A Terrible Human: BronyMedic: Research Time!

And no matter what you post I'll always remember you posting about liking clopfics and then what I saw when I googled clopfics.
/There's not enough brain bleach in the world.

Oh please. If you find the idea of writing erotic fiction about cartoon horses to be sick, do stay away from the real dark parts of the internet like IDK Fark.com's main page? There was a story the other day about some Japanese guy who had his dick surgically removed and then cooked it up a few months later and served it for $200 a plate at a special dinner. That's much more disturbing than erotic fiction, which has been around since... well probably forever.

I forget what they're called but they had something similar to "clopfic" back in the 40's with cartoon characters like Popeye and Olive Oyal being bootlegged and then... well you don't want to know but let's just there's always a few weirdos out there who will draw anything having sex with anything else.

Tijuana bibles is what they were called, great grandpa had a few
/with a nod to Something Positive, cause that's where I learned this
 
2012-06-09 01:38:53 PM
i.imgur.com

Can't wait to get this on my wall...
 
2012-06-09 01:38:54 PM
Geeks love nothing more than to classify, segregate, and demonize other fandoms.

www.malakhgabriel.net
 
2012-06-09 01:42:25 PM

doglover: MoronLessOff: I still haven't watched it, although I am curious. I loved PPG and Foster's Home, and who doesn't love Adventure Time.

Maybe I should take some time out of my busy busy work schedule to pull up an episode.

I recommend "Lesson Zero" as the first episode you should watch. It's season 2 but it's pretty damn good and you get the general idea, all the characters, and it's certainly NOT the best.


Many thanks! I was thinking about asked for a suggestion, but I figured my post would be looked over. I got it on the youtube right now.
 
2012-06-09 01:44:28 PM

precia: Mostly wrong?


Nope. I think it's true. You're unique here. I'd go out on a limb and say most boys, thus most men, thus most bronies, weren't fans of the original three point five My Little Pony generations.

Friendship is magic is special, and everyone I know got it through word of mouth. Like soul herpes, only in a good way. Wow, I'm drunk.

Also I dunno about the toys. I like Pinkie Pie's character.

images.mylittlefacewhen.com

while the toy...
img.ponibooru.org

Look at all that forehead and the placid facial expression. It's the same creepy mutant horse face as all the other lines of My Little Pony. It's only the cartoon that's magic.
 
2012-06-09 01:47:22 PM
I don't have any problems with MLP, my only problem is that Bronies tend to be very vocal about their love for the show; it reminds me of Girl Gamer Syndrome or Female Sports Fan.

otherwise, I don't care.
 
2012-06-09 01:47:26 PM

MoronLessOff: doglover: MoronLessOff: I still haven't watched it, although I am curious. I loved PPG and Foster's Home, and who doesn't love Adventure Time.

Maybe I should take some time out of my busy busy work schedule to pull up an episode.

I recommend "Lesson Zero" as the first episode you should watch. It's season 2 but it's pretty damn good and you get the general idea, all the characters, and it's certainly NOT the best.

Many thanks! I was thinking about asked for a suggestion, but I figured my post would be looked over. I got it on the youtube right now.


WELCOME TO THE HERD.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-06-09 01:50:07 PM

FeedTheCollapse: I don't have any problems with MLP, my only problem is that Bronies tend to be very vocal about their love for the show; it reminds me of Girl Gamer Syndrome or Female Sports Fan.

otherwise, I don't care.


I'm only vocal about my love for the ponies when it comes up in conversation, or a thread like this.

Aside from that, I'm pretty low key about it. Well, I mean, aside from my corner windows on the car.

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-09 01:50:11 PM

doglover: precia: Mostly wrong?

Nope. I think it's true. You're unique here. I'd go out on a limb and say most boys, thus most men, thus most bronies, weren't fans of the original three point five My Little Pony generations.

Friendship is magic is special, and everyone I know got it through word of mouth. Like soul herpes, only in a good way. Wow, I'm drunk.

Also I dunno about the toys. I like Pinkie Pie's character.

[images.mylittlefacewhen.com image 640x360]

while the toy...
[img.ponibooru.org image 640x480]

Look at all that forehead and the placid facial expression. It's the same creepy mutant horse face as all the other lines of My Little Pony. It's only the cartoon that's magic.


I had never watched the original shows but I did recently to compare, and yeah, they are awful. Laura Faust commented on this and one of her goals with the show was to do away with the girly sickeningly sweet stereotypes and bland boring characters and storylines and make an intelligent show that everyone can enjoy. Even though Hasbro did tie her hands a bit I still think she clearly succeeded.
 
2012-06-09 01:52:11 PM
Wow, 300 plus comments so far.
 
2012-06-09 01:54:06 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-09 01:59:03 PM

Inigo: Are Bronies changing the definition of masculinity?

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

No.


My god, can you imagine what Conference Room B at the Sheraton smells like after they get done with their Fanclub Christmas Testostoestroquarian F*ck-O-Rama?
 
2012-06-09 02:02:05 PM
Me and the GF love this show but sadly, the fandom takes the show to whole other level. I.E. the pony with the hole.

Rather have kids watch this than farking anything on Disney or NIck. (Asides Tron, Avengers and Korra of course.)
 
2012-06-09 02:02:34 PM
img62.imageshack.us

It is Caturday...GO OUTSIDE!
 
2012-06-09 02:03:28 PM

eddievercetti: Me and the GF love this show but sadly, the fandom takes the show to whole other level. I.E. the pony with the hole.

Rather have kids watch this than farking anything on Disney or NIck. (Asides Tron, Avengers and Korra of course.)


To be fair, I think (hope?) that the one above is a puppet. Which contextualizes the hole.

/god I hope that's what that is
 
2012-06-09 02:04:00 PM

eddievercetti: the pony with the hole.


HER NAME, sir, IS LYRA HEARTSTRINGS.

And you should feel bad. What if someone made a farkbuddy in your likeness without your permission. If she was real, it would be a grievous slander.
 
2012-06-09 02:11:13 PM
And since it's a pony thread, the Denver Derpys!

farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-06-09 02:11:57 PM
These "bronies" aren't redefining masculinity. These are childish people who regressed and took refuge from life by adopting a childish activity as a form of escapism.

So, the reason why "bronies" are the negation of masculinity is not that they are effeminate; it's because they explicitly intend to avoid masculinity. These are men-child who yearn for a better time where they were pampered by a motherly figure and therefore avoid the adult world, with their responsibilities, demands and impositions, in favour of their own little children world.
 
2012-06-09 02:13:21 PM

GreatBunzinni: These "bronies" aren't redefining masculinity. These are childish people who regressed and took refuge from life by adopting a childish activity as a form of escapism.

So, the reason why "bronies" are the negation of masculinity is not that they are effeminate; it's because they explicitly intend to avoid masculinity. These are men-child who yearn for a better time where they were pampered by a motherly figure and therefore avoid the adult world, with their responsibilities, demands and impositions, in favour of their own little children world.


You sure like to read into someone else' choice of television show quite a lot.
 
2012-06-09 02:14:37 PM
unfortunately nearly every "brony" i've had the pleasure of meeting in person is an asshat. Extremely judgemental, unaccepting, self absorbed dicks.

TO be completely honest, bronies have proven themselves time and time again to be very similar to the Christian Extremists of the internet.

/yes there are exceptions
//two of my closer friends are bronies
 
2012-06-09 02:15:02 PM

Zerocyde: But I never wore a farking PPG t-shirt. I never went to a farking PPG convention. I never called myself a "Power Puff Guy." I never shiatted up internet communities with pictures I had drawn of the Power Puff Girls.

Why? BECAUSE I'M NOT A GODDAMNED LITTLE GIRL!



That's not what it's about. It's about being a part of some cool exclusive club, and when most people find it creepy, that only reinforces the whole "so uncool it's cool" thing. It's like a clique in high school, except they're not in high school, and it's retarded. Then when they get called out on it, it's all WHARGARRRRBL WHAT ABOUT SPORTS PERSONAL FREEDOM I'M A CRUSADER, blah blah blah, when it's not about that at all, it's a need to belong to something.

Bronies, do what you want, like what you want, it's cool...but don't pretend that this whole thing is anything other than a need to belong to something. Personally, I think you guys could choose something less creepy, but whatever.
 
2012-06-09 02:16:07 PM

doglover: precia: Mostly wrong?

Nope. I think it's true. You're unique here. I'd go out on a limb and say most boys, thus most men, thus most bronies, weren't fans of the original three point five My Little Pony generations.


I'm a unique snowflake!

Actually, I think there are more females who like FiM than we know, but they don't get any attention because it's less weird for women to like little girl things. We're also excluded from the core visible fanbase because we don't fit into the brony world. I really don't like that the word for adult fans is gender specific as this is a show that has managed to break down quite a few gender barriers, or that the bronies themselves half-assed a name for females who wanted to be included. Anybody who calls me a "pegasister" is getting a punch in the butthole.

I'm sure you're right that most adult male fans weren't into the original show, but I was mostly challenging pedo's theory that because the current show is only two years old there is no element of nostalgia driving the current trend.

Also I dunno about the toys.

The rooted hair ponies are all pretty crap, for sure. I've only bought some of the 2 inch molded plastic toys, which manage to look a great deal like the ponies from the show. They've still never made an accurate Fluttershy though. Reusing Dash's mold only makes it look like Fluttershy just got mugged.
 
2012-06-09 02:17:23 PM

Uglybarnacle: unfortunately nearly every "brony" i've had the pleasure of meeting in person is an asshat. Extremely judgemental, unaccepting, self absorbed dicks.

TO be completely honest, bronies have proven themselves time and time again to be very similar to the Christian Extremists of the internet.

/yes there are exceptions
//two of my closer friends are bronies


Are you trolling, or have you had a very weird experience? I don't doubt it's possible, so don't think I'm calling you a liar. I just think it's unlikely that you've come across a large number of "bronies," all of which are horrible, terrible people. It's just statistically unlikely.

I mean, maybe your friends are just coonts?
 
2012-06-09 02:18:41 PM

oh_please: Bronies, do what you want, like what you want, it's cool...but don't pretend that this whole thing is anything other than a need to belong to something. Personally, I think you guys could choose something less creepy, but whatever.


What's creepy about liking a cartoon? I'd like an honest answer that doesn't rely on gender role stereotypes.
 
2012-06-09 02:20:19 PM

Sim Tree: This whole brony 'debate' is reminiscent of middle school culture, where if you liked Star Trek, you were a 'nerd', and could get beat up


dl.dropbox.com
 
2012-06-09 02:21:49 PM

eddievercetti: And since it's a pony thread, the Denver Derpys!

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 450x450]


imageshack.us

\ Shouldn't the plural of Derpy be "Derpies"?
 
2012-06-09 02:22:04 PM

LasersHurt: oh_please: Bronies, do what you want, like what you want, it's cool...but don't pretend that this whole thing is anything other than a need to belong to something. Personally, I think you guys could choose something less creepy, but whatever.

What's creepy about liking a cartoon? I'd like an honest answer that doesn't rely on gender role stereotypes.


Because we base our fandom around a show who's target demographic is little girls?

I mean, I'm a proud brony, but even I can see that those who are just peeking into our world might go .. "Whaaaaa???"

Doesn't make it any less awesome, but I don't expect *most* people to understand it.
 
2012-06-09 02:23:41 PM

WhippingBoy: Perditax: Wayne 985: Perditax: I don't get why people think watching cartoons = pedophilia. I would much rather leave small children in the care of bronies than anyone who thinks of boffing kids the second they see a cartoon character. If you see a picture of a pony and you automatically think of schtupping kindergartners, you might just have a problem there.

I have nothing against ponies. My concern is with grown men who religiously watch any programming directed at small girls by themselves. It's very Michael Jackson.

Your misogyny is showing. I love the specific reference to girls' programming. If it were Voltron we were talking about and not My Little Pony, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Your concern is not about grown men watching kids' shows. It's about men doing anything that smacks of being "something for girls", thus contaminating them with cooties or somesuch. I really thought boys grew out of their fear of "girls things" but apparently not all of them do.

Holy crap, are you for real????


i.imgur.com

Actually, is Dolan.
 
2012-06-09 02:23:48 PM

Shadow Blasko: LasersHurt: oh_please: Bronies, do what you want, like what you want, it's cool...but don't pretend that this whole thing is anything other than a need to belong to something. Personally, I think you guys could choose something less creepy, but whatever.

What's creepy about liking a cartoon? I'd like an honest answer that doesn't rely on gender role stereotypes.

Because we base our fandom around a show who's target demographic is little girls?

I mean, I'm a proud brony, but even I can see that those who are just peeking into our world might go .. "Whaaaaa???"

Doesn't make it any less awesome, but I don't expect *most* people to understand it.


I just don't get "creepy." There are lots of people who like things that aren't targeted towards them, but they're generally not considered "creepy."
 
2012-06-09 02:26:44 PM

LasersHurt: LoneWolf343: Liking a TV show does not make you special. Bronies have a rampant ego problem.

Projection, HOOOOOOO!


1.bp.blogspot.com

First thing I thought of. Had I been taking a drink at the time, I would not be able to make this post for all the beverage everywhere.
 
2012-06-09 02:27:15 PM

LasersHurt: Shadow Blasko: LasersHurt: oh_please: Bronies, do what you want, like what you want, it's cool...but don't pretend that this whole thing is anything other than a need to belong to something. Personally, I think you guys could choose something less creepy, but whatever.

What's creepy about liking a cartoon? I'd like an honest answer that doesn't rely on gender role stereotypes.

Because we base our fandom around a show who's target demographic is little girls?

I mean, I'm a proud brony, but even I can see that those who are just peeking into our world might go .. "Whaaaaa???"

Doesn't make it any less awesome, but I don't expect *most* people to understand it.

I just don't get "creepy." There are lots of people who like things that aren't targeted towards them, but they're generally not considered "creepy."


Because grown men embracing little girl things has been "creepy" (at least, in the media's eyes) for ages.

I disagree with that, but I don't expect it to change overnight either.

I've converted several bronies, and most of them thought my appreciation for the cartoon was "a bit creepy" before they sat down and watched it, and I pointed out what it was about the show that appealed to me.

So, "a bit creepy" as a first blush generalization is to be expected I think.
 
2012-06-09 02:27:55 PM

doglover: [i.imgur.com image 640x613]


Is that what I think it is? Please tell me that's not some kind of sex doll....
 
2012-06-09 02:28:07 PM
GreatBunzinni: These "bronies" aren't redefining masculinity. These are childish people who regressed and took refuge from life by adopting a childish activity as a form of escapism.

So, the reason why "bronies" are the negation of masculinity is not that they are effeminate; it's because they explicitly intend to avoid masculinity. These are men-child who yearn for a better time where they were pampered by a motherly figure and therefore avoid the adult world, with their responsibilities, demands and impositions, in favour of their own little children world.


I see someone paid attention during the Freud portion of their psychology I Class.

/and not to anything else.
 
2012-06-09 02:29:26 PM

LasersHurt: Uglybarnacle: unfortunately nearly every "brony" i've had the pleasure of meeting in person is an asshat. Extremely judgemental, unaccepting, self absorbed dicks.

TO be completely honest, bronies have proven themselves time and time again to be very similar to the Christian Extremists of the internet.

/yes there are exceptions
//two of my closer friends are bronies

Are you trolling, or have you had a very weird experience? I don't doubt it's possible, so don't think I'm calling you a liar. I just think it's unlikely that you've come across a large number of "bronies," all of which are horrible, terrible people. It's just statistically unlikely.

I mean, maybe your friends are just coonts?


not trolling , this is serious. I know a very very low number of bronies that haven't completely went overboard. The majority of the bad ones i've met in person will bring about the question "Do you like ponies?" When I return the answer "no,, I've seen the show I don't care for it" they go batshiat. "You're just an unaccepting shiatlord" "What's the matter? in the closet?".

It might be an isolated incident but holy hell when nearly 2 dozen bronies do that, Is it coincidence?
 
2012-06-09 02:31:30 PM

Uglybarnacle: It might be an isolated incident but holy hell when nearly 2 dozen bronies do that, Is it coincidence?


Maybe you just piss people off, and they treat you thusly?

My experience differs greatly from yours, but I am not invalidating yours either.
 
2012-06-09 02:31:38 PM

Shadow Blasko: Because we base our fandom around a show who's target demographic is little girls?


Laura Faust produced the show specifically to NOT target only little girls. That's the type of ignorant stereotype she set out to end. Yes Hasbro does still market it that way but who cares what some corporate suits market it as. That has nothing to do with the actual content of the show. Unless little girls are really into David Bowie, The Big Lebowski, and other such pop culture references. Also John De Lancie, Wierd Al, Seth Green, etc. as well as many members of the military enjoy the show and I certainly don't think of them as little girls.

I think a lot of people think of the old show (which sucked and most definitely was for little girls) or the toy line and think it's more of that but it isn't. If the franchise had never existed before FIM this probably wouldn't be such an issue.
 
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