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(Japan Times)   Oregon environmental officers swoop in, use "short burst of fire" to strip Japanese tsunami dock of seaweed and barnacles containing species that might kill us all   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line 75
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2012-06-09 10:34:23 AM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-09 10:46:38 AM
Goddam illegal immigrants.
 
2012-06-09 12:14:45 PM
SyFy Movie?
 
2012-06-09 12:14:47 PM
I'm sure none of those invasive species could have been washed off the pier right before it was beached and are in the water being invasive. Nahhhhh could never happen.
 
2012-06-09 12:15:35 PM
media.giantbomb.com

What an invasive species might look like.
 
2012-06-09 12:16:15 PM
what? those species are already here, there... boats. it's one ocean. if u flew them on a 747 and dumped them into boston harbor it might be a different issue or used nuke to complete link the atlantic and pacific along the panama canal route... but ... you know what... u get imbalance then nature balances out after awhile. homeostasis. complex nonlinear systems. life finds a way. these environmental freaks are just looking for jobs. that flamethrower would be better used cooking soup for the homeless.
 
2012-06-09 12:16:54 PM
Xenomorphs!
 
2012-06-09 12:18:55 PM
mmmm, ribbon candy.
 
2012-06-09 12:20:10 PM

Walker: I'm sure none of those invasive species could have been washed off the pier right before it was beached and are in the water being invasive. Nahhhhh could never happen.


Some probably did. It's still a good idea to try to prevent it from getting worse. If there's one razor clam in your harbor, you're OK. It there are two, you're screwed.
 
2012-06-09 12:20:59 PM
i364.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-09 12:22:08 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Goddam illegal immigrants.


Welcome to Obama's America!
 
2012-06-09 12:22:19 PM
i184.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-09 12:28:19 PM
FTFA: "A species that evolves in an ecosystem evolves with natural checks and balance," Havel said. "When you take an organism out of the environment and put it in a new one, the balance is lost. It can outcompete native species and animals."

Yeah, like when redskinned humans first invaded the New World across the Bering Strait. And then 20-30,000 years later the whiteskins invaded from across the ocean and brought the blackskins with 'em. The American ecosystem has been whomped so hard so many times it'll be several thousand years before Nature finds its own balance again.

Several thousand years after all those pesky Homos Sapiens are gone, I mean. You ain't never gonna have any kind of ecosystemological balance with that invasive species of mutants around.

"SAVE THE PLANET: KILL YOURSELF."
 
2012-06-09 12:29:58 PM
Yeah, unless this procedure is performed on every single ship and boat that crosses the Pacific, I don't see how sterilizing this one piece of junk is going to make any difference.

Furthermore, this isn't the first earthquake that has sent debris across the Pacific.

In other words, this isn't the first time something has crossed the Pacific.
 
2012-06-09 12:31:46 PM

utah dude: what? those species are already here, there... boats. it's one ocean. if u flew them on a 747 and dumped them into boston harbor it might be a different issue or used nuke to complete link the atlantic and pacific along the panama canal route... but ... you know what... u get imbalance then nature balances out after awhile. homeostasis. complex nonlinear systems. life finds a way. these environmental freaks are just looking for jobs. that flamethrower would be better used cooking soup for the homeless.


Yeah...I agree but not just from this point of view.

The Tsunami was a natural disaster. The only reason that dock is here is because of NATURE. Even if that dock had been a log, a bit of coral or another bit of natural flotsam we'd have the same problem. Are you saying that we're bigger and better than nature? The world's lived a long time just fine without us humans poking at it and it'll be here a long time after we're gone. We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.
 
2012-06-09 12:33:15 PM
Oregonians always greet foreign invaders with fire or high explosives.
 
2012-06-09 12:33:47 PM
barnacles!
 
2012-06-09 12:34:33 PM
www.japantimes.co.jp

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT
 
2012-06-09 12:37:32 PM
Something something INNSMOUTH.
 
2012-06-09 12:37:50 PM

WhoGAS: We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.


this is beautiful poetry. make it so, number one.
 
2012-06-09 12:38:03 PM

Andulamb: In other words, this isn't the first time something has crossed the Pacific.


True, but this time a local government can justify budget increases for an invasive species. Arizona Oregon should just build a wall at the border.
 
2012-06-09 12:39:47 PM

RibbyK: Andulamb: In other words, this isn't the first time something has crossed the Pacific.

True, but this time a local government can justify budget increases for an invasive species. Arizona Oregon should just build a wall at the border.


hahaha. i lol'd.
 
2012-06-09 12:40:28 PM

WhoGAS: utah dude: what? those species are already here, there... boats. it's one ocean. if u flew them on a 747 and dumped them into boston harbor it might be a different issue or used nuke to complete link the atlantic and pacific along the panama canal route... but ... you know what... u get imbalance then nature balances out after awhile. homeostasis. complex nonlinear systems. life finds a way. these environmental freaks are just looking for jobs. that flamethrower would be better used cooking soup for the homeless.

Yeah...I agree but not just from this point of view.

The Tsunami was a natural disaster. The only reason that dock is here is because of NATURE. Even if that dock had been a log, a bit of coral or another bit of natural flotsam we'd have the same problem. Are you saying that we're bigger and better than nature? The world's lived a long time just fine without us humans poking at it and it'll be here a long time after we're gone. We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.


i just favorite-d you.
 
2012-06-09 12:41:28 PM
"it's invaded Southern California (but) it's not currently present in Oregon," he said."

Dang illegals with their medical resistant TB and Sea WEED invading and destroying our ECO system!
 
2012-06-09 12:44:16 PM

utah dude: i just favorite-d you.


I hope you used protection; you really don't know where I've been!

/Thanks!
 
2012-06-09 12:44:34 PM

WhoGAS:
The Tsunami was a natural disaster. The only reason that dock is here is because of NATURE. Even if that dock had been a log, a bit of coral or another bit of natural flotsam we'd have the same problem. Are you saying that we're bigger and better than nature? The world's lived a long time just fine without us humans poking at it and it'll be here a long time after we're gone. We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.


Environmentalists are reactionary nutjobs who are afraid of change.
 
2012-06-09 12:44:51 PM

Snarfangel: Oregonians always greet foreign invaders with fire or high explosives.


We just can't allow whales and such to just wander up the beach.

Ya gots to blowed it up.
 
2012-06-09 12:45:27 PM

Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT


A face hugger. Good thing they blasted it with fire.

www.entertainmentearth.com
 
2012-06-09 12:46:45 PM

WhoGAS: utah dude: i just favorite-d you.

I hope you used protection; you really don't know where I've been!

/Thanks!


i'll merely integrate your retroviri into my genome and treat the euks- and prokarys- as immune-challenges..
 
2012-06-09 12:48:30 PM

RibbyK: Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT

A face hugger. Good thing they blasted it with fire.

[www.entertainmentearth.com image 500x500]


where can i buy one of these? my tarantula died. :(
 
2012-06-09 12:48:53 PM
That shiat is probably a delicacy in Japan...Sells in vending machines for $ thousands!
 
2012-06-09 12:49:56 PM

Turbo Cojones: That shiat is probably a delicacy in Japan...Sells in vending machines for $ thousands!


they wrap it in rice and hello kitty women's panties, first.
 
2012-06-09 12:51:45 PM

Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT


th09.deviantart.net

A barnacle, of course.
 
2012-06-09 12:51:58 PM
So they saw weed and sparked up? Farking burners.
 
2012-06-09 12:56:57 PM

WhoGAS: utah dude: what? those species are already here, there... boats. it's one ocean. if u flew them on a 747 and dumped them into boston harbor it might be a different issue or used nuke to complete link the atlantic and pacific along the panama canal route... but ... you know what... u get imbalance then nature balances out after awhile. homeostasis. complex nonlinear systems. life finds a way. these environmental freaks are just looking for jobs. that flamethrower would be better used cooking soup for the homeless.

Yeah...I agree but not just from this point of view.

The Tsunami was a natural disaster. The only reason that dock is here is because of NATURE. Even if that dock had been a log, a bit of coral or another bit of natural flotsam we'd have the same problem. Are you saying that we're bigger and better than nature? The world's lived a long time just fine without us humans poking at it and it'll be here a long time after we're gone. We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.


The boll weevil was nature too.
 
2012-06-09 12:57:32 PM
Stupid. If the barge made it here, so did those species - even if they just fell off the barge along the way.
 
2012-06-09 12:58:38 PM

Walker: I'm sure none of those invasive species could have been washed off the pier right before it was beached and are in the water being invasive. Nahhhhh could never happen.


Too late.
 
2012-06-09 01:00:09 PM
"They wrap it in rice and slightly used hello kitty woman's panties, first"

/They mostly come at night, mostly
 
2012-06-09 01:01:17 PM
Tsunami, currents, and wind have been spreading "invasive species" since the beginning of creation. The world will go on; it's human-centric to believe that a particular snapshot of species distribution in our particular time is the way it "should" be.
 
2012-06-09 01:02:35 PM

WhoGAS: We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.


Please don't ever use that phrase. It is incredibly misleading and smacks of Lamarckism. Thank you.
 
2012-06-09 01:04:25 PM
All the time yelling "Remember Pearl Harbor!"
 
2012-06-09 01:14:13 PM

Nick Nostril: So they saw weed and sparked up? Farking burners.


It is Oregon after all.
 
2012-06-09 01:14:43 PM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-06-09 01:15:02 PM
I keep wondering if they are going to flip the dock over and clean the underside. Better yet, how?
 
2012-06-09 01:22:45 PM

Walker: I'm sure none of those invasive species could have been washed off the pier right before it was beached and are in the water being invasive. Nahhhhh could never happen.


Andulamb: Yeah, unless this procedure is performed on every single ship and boat that crosses the Pacific, I don't see how sterilizing this one piece of junk is going to make any difference.

Furthermore, this isn't the first earthquake that has sent debris across the Pacific.

In other words, this isn't the first time something has crossed the Pacific.


...

So many of these.

Just like the TSA is just security theater, this is just environmental theater.

That dock was floating in the local water for a while. Lots of critters could have fallen or jumped off anywhere along the way. eggs and larvae are often microscopic and can not be seen with the eyes.

And how many were scraped off as it went up on the shore?

Yeah, a waste of time.
 
2012-06-09 01:23:40 PM
We couldn't get anything cool like Godzillas carcass, no we get some crappy dock that everyone flocks to and the local news runs the story 24/7.
 
2012-06-09 01:29:26 PM
does that violate the dock's 7 year, 2000 part bumper-to-bumper warranty? where does the minidisk go?
 
2012-06-09 01:30:14 PM
i'm impressed with the Harley container remaining buoyant. somebody built the living crap out of that project.
 
2012-06-09 01:32:40 PM
Brought to you by the Oregon Department of "I know EXACTLY how to clean up this dead whale"

Link
 
2012-06-09 01:47:17 PM

neurothing: Brought to you by the Oregon Department of "I know EXACTLY how to clean up this dead whale"

Link


The Highway Dept did that one.
 
2012-06-09 02:06:47 PM

Akambe: Tsunami, currents, and wind have been spreading "invasive species" since the beginning of creation. The world will go on; it's human-centric to believe that a particular snapshot of species distribution in our particular time is the way it "should" be.


YEP!

But you seem to be disparaging human centrism ... I don't see any dolphins or grasses helping clean up after a cataclysmic natural event.

It's the humans that save the monkeys ... never the other way around.
 
2012-06-09 02:31:32 PM
"When you take an organism out of the environment and put it in a new one, the balance is lost. It can outcompete native species and animals.

"You end up with the native ecosystem being kicked out and an unbalanced ecosystem taking its place."

/SOCIALISM
 
2012-06-09 02:34:54 PM
"Short burst of fire"

what a short burst of fire may look like
tonyrogers.com

Although having 180(something) barrels, lets you put out a lot of lead in that short burst.
 
2012-06-09 02:41:19 PM

RibbyK: Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT

A face hugger. Good thing they blasted it with fire.

[www.entertainmentearth.com image 500x500]


www.bamkapow.com
 
2012-06-09 03:13:20 PM
Invasive species can be catastrophic for eco systems. An example is the zebra mussel, which is a filter feeder so efficient that it completely cleans up lakes to which it is introduced. Clean, clear water might sound good, but in this case what it cleans up is the food for the natural ecosystem, with the result that virtually every other species starves.

If it is reaction to try to prevent this sort of thing, then bring it on, baby! Lock and load! Ecological bibles in one hand and rifles in the other!

It takes an estimated average of 10 million years to create the new species to rebuild a complex ecosystem, and the human race won't be around this long.

Being married to the idea of "free markets" and "free trade" to the point of allowing the utter destruction of everything is going a bit far. Some government regulation and control is necessary to maintain a free society (or any society), a healthy environment for business and for living things, and the viability of man.

After all, if you allow the random and massive transplantation of organisms from one natural ecosystem to another, you will inevitably find the one organism that can crash each of them. I believe this is a law of nature. Read Gödel, Escher, Bach, a very seminal work in many fields, and you will find that any complex system is 1) incomplete (Gödel's Theorem) and 2) has one or more strings of code that will crash it (whether it is a computer program or an ecosystem).

We have been experimenting unwittingly since we began to move out across the world, experimenting by adding pollution and fire and over-population and over-exploitation to various eco-systems and then seeing what happens (they crash). It's high time we started to behave like a responsible member of the community rather than as anything-goes pirates and psychopaths.

A new species enters San Francisco Bay every two weeks on average. Consider it a grand experiment in destruction testing of natural ecosystems. In fact, consider the human race God's way of destruct-testing his Creation, if you like. How far do we have to go before we destroy not only the communities of every other living species, but ourselves?

All perfectly natural, like death, disease, famine, pestilence, war and stupidity.

Mother Nature can be such a biatch, but humans can be far more destructive than even the most destructive invasive species.

By over-fishing, pollution, greenhouse gas emissions, etc., we are destruct-testing the very Oceans which make all life possible. For example, some filter-feeders (other than zebra mussels) have bloomed in massive quantities where we have over-fished, resulting in massive swarms of jellyfish, sea urchins and such completely wiping out the natural ecosystems, leaving nothing but themselves and some of the plankton that other species besides themselves used to feed on.

This is not the right way to run a planet. If we don't learn to run a planet right, we're going to have a dead planet instead of a living planet with tens of millions of species working together to keep it that way.
 
2012-06-09 03:14:58 PM

FloydA: Walker: I'm sure none of those invasive species could have been washed off the pier right before it was beached and are in the water being invasive. Nahhhhh could never happen.

Some probably did. It's still a good idea to try to prevent it from getting worse. If there's one razor clam in your harbor, you're OK. It there are two, you're screwed.


NPR had a story about this yesterday. They are concerned that the bottom of the dock was scrapped clean and that they don't know what is now in their ecosystems.

Akambe: Tsunami, currents, and wind have been spreading "invasive species" since the beginning of creation. The world will go on; it's human-centric to believe that a particular snapshot of species distribution in our particular time is the way it "should" be.


True but humans have spread ones that would not have been transplanted in the first place.
 
2012-06-09 03:15:58 PM
Stupid environmentalists, those species got there naturally.
 
2012-06-09 03:19:31 PM

Andulamb: Yeah, unless this procedure is performed on every single ship and boat that crosses the Pacific, I don't see how sterilizing this one piece of junk is going to make any difference.


There are procedures in place to remove invasive species from ships before they cross certain lines.

/Hated cleaning out the bilges.
 
2012-06-09 03:24:55 PM
The kind of dogmatic oligarchic capitalism which is being preached and practiced by Communists and Free Enterprisers, by Libertarians and by Corporatists (Fascists), by the Super-Rich and by the Stupid Rich, is destroying the existential underpinning of not only itself but all human and environmental organization in this world.

If it doesn't die, we will, and we'll take most of life on Earth with us. There is no guarantee that even a billion years will allow such a wealth of bio-diversty to form again, let alone another sentient species. You may only get the one chance in life. You may not even be sure of that. All in all, the environmentalists, despite their errors and flaws, have it right, and it is the apologists for irresponsible and unaccountable plutocracy that have it most completely wrong.

You can't always have what you want. You're crazy if you hate government so much (right or left wing anarchism) that you prevent it from doing its proper job of providing security for most or all of us, even at the expense of false and destructive "liberties" for the very few or the majority alike.

It's ironic that Darwinism as well as pseudo-Darwinism ("Social Darwinism") grew from the same liberal economic theory in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. But now one of them has to go. It's very dangerous to import religious, political or economic dogmas (which are all half-assed if not fully and plumply assed) into scientific fields such as ecology. It's allowing your wish fulfillment fantasies to get the better of the reality principle, because dogma is inevitable at odds with reality, facts and truth, truthiness is inevitably a betrayal of truths let alone Truth.

So pack off Mammon worshippers. If you want to destroy a planet, go to the Moon, where Life is already non-existent and can be replaced with whatever the Hell it is you think you want.
 
2012-06-09 03:29:52 PM

Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT


Not sure, but I've seen them wash up on Rialto Beach in Washington. Pretty sure it's vegetable...

I think this is the same stuff.

i47.tinypic.com

So, too late, it was already here.
 
2012-06-09 03:44:51 PM

FloydA: Some probably did. It's still a good idea to try to prevent it from getting worse. If there's one razor clam in your harbor, you're OK. It there are two, you're screwed.


The Burnaby, BC parks department recently spent a couple of weeks chasing one snakehead fish.
 
2012-06-09 04:43:13 PM

Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT


Giant alien sperm.
 
2012-06-09 04:59:49 PM

Ivo Shandor:
The Burnaby, BC parks department recently spent a couple of weeks chasing one snakehead fish.


I don't blame them. When you've got a Ted Bundy roaming around on the loose, your first concern is not "I hope he doesn't breed some baby bundys." Your first concern is "kill that psychotic f**k! Kill it dead! Now!"

Even one snakehead will seriously mess up a lake.
 
2012-06-09 05:02:21 PM
Yeah sure, those deadly barnacles and seaweed are a biatch. That's why I use Gold Bond powder. What I want to know is how I can have the shipping container with the Harley appear on my lawn.
 
2012-06-09 06:00:21 PM

FloydA: WhoGAS: We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.

Please don't ever use that phrase. It is incredibly misleading and smacks of Lamarckism. Thank you.


Why? Without explanation, you may as well tell me to never open my mouth in public again and I'll obey just as well.
 
2012-06-09 06:41:15 PM

WhoGAS: FloydA: WhoGAS: We're just a catalyst for the next and more highly evolved species to happen.

Please don't ever use that phrase. It is incredibly misleading and smacks of Lamarckism. Thank you.

Why? Without explanation, you may as well tell me to never open my mouth in public again and I'll obey just as well.


No, please, "open your mouth" all you like, your opinions are valuable.

The thing is, the term "more highly evolved" is implicitly based on an assumption that evolution has a single "goal" in mind, towards which all species are striving, which is not accurate. The term "more evolved" implies that (metaphorically) all living things are ranked from "most perfect" to "least perfect" and that the difference between chimps and humans (for instance) is that they have not yet "traveled down the road as far as us" or "climbed the ladder" as high as we have.

That metaphor (like the famous "walking guys" picture) is a fundamentally misleading way to depict the process of evolution, which typically proceeds through cladogenesis and "branching," in which each of the descendant "branches" from a single shared ancestor are adapting to different environments. The separate branches become increasingly dissimilar to each other over the passage of time, but neither is "higher" or "closer to perfection" than the other.

A tiger is not a "better" kind of animal, in any absolute sense, than a shark. Both are apex predators, each in their own environment, but a shark in a tiger's environment, or a tiger in a shark's environment, is just food. It would make no sense to rank one as "higher" than the other, unless there is some metric by which we could rank "rainforest" as a "better" or "more perfect" type of habitat than "ocean."

Prior to Darwin (and sadly, even since then), people tried to sort species into "higher" and "lower" categories, relative to others, in accord with a notion of a "great chain of being." One of Darwin's most significant realizations was that a "uni-lineal" ranking of living organisms does not present an accurate picture of the organization of the biological realm. A "tree" topology is a better, more accurate depiction of the relationships between species than a "ladder."

Graphically, what I'm trying to say is:
i105.photobucket.com

Berkeley explains it better

The problem with the "higher" and "lower" terminology is that when we use it as a convenient shorthand, it is frequently hijacked by creationists and other pseudo-scientists. They critique the flaws of Lamarck (the "ladder") and then claim to have refuted Darwin (the "tree").

In short, a human is not "more evolved" than any other species, we are just evolved to fit a different habitat.

I'm cautious about how I use terms, because I've been deliberately misquoted in the past, and I just don't want you to have to go through the same tired, silly, and pointless arguments that I had to go through.

I hope I explained myself better that time.
 
2012-06-09 06:53:00 PM
On a note that is actually a problem........Cargo ships ballast water is freely traded amongst nations........legally........plenty of invasive species there........but due to the "economic" imperative......it does not matter...this is just a great photo op........
Keep amused Ameriduh!
 
2012-06-09 10:10:23 PM
creaturebox.com

Approves of the use of short bursts of fire to spycheck clean things up.
 
2012-06-09 10:35:25 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-06-10 01:25:49 AM

WhoGAS: The Tsunami was a natural disaster. The only reason that dock is here is because of NATURE. Even if that dock had been a log, a bit of coral or another bit of natural flotsam we'd have the same problem. Are you saying that we're bigger and better than nature?


Bigger? Yes. Better? I don't even know what that means.

What kind of natural formation would be as large and as buoyant as this chunk of dock?
 
2012-06-10 01:26:52 AM
Came for exploding whale... apparently just in time!
 
2012-06-10 02:19:36 AM

FloydA: Walker: I'm sure none of those invasive species could have been washed off the pier right before it was beached and are in the water being invasive. Nahhhhh could never happen.

Some probably did. It's still a good idea to try to prevent it from getting worse. If there's one razor clam in your harbor, you're OK. It there are two, you're screwed.


I got news for them: There's supposed to be something like 2 to 3 million metric tons of debris headed this way, and this is just the leading edge. The later stuff is going to be even more encrusted, and it's going to be hitting beaches from Washington to Central California.

We're going to have a massive infestation of "non-native" species over the next few months or years, and nothing humans can do will stop it. It's called evolution, folks, this is how it works.
 
2012-06-10 02:43:13 AM
As the Raft moves through the Pacific, riding mostly on ocean currents, it occasionally sheds great hunks of itself. Eventually, these fragments wash up in some place like Santa Barbara, still lashed together, carrying a payload of skeletons and gnawed bones.

When it gets to California, it will enter a new phase of its life cycle. It will shed much of its sprawling improvised bulk as a few hundred thousand Refus cut themselves loose and paddle to shore. The only Refus who make it that far are, by definition, the ones who were agile enough to make it out to the Raft in the first place, resourceful enough to survive the agonizingly slow passage through the arctic waters, and tough enough not to get killed by any of the other Refus. Nice guys, all of them. Just the kind of people you'd like to have showing up on your private beach in groups of a few thousand.
 
2012-06-10 08:24:15 AM
There have been many instances in which I have suggested various things be killed with fire. Seaweed was never one of those things.
 
2012-06-10 12:10:05 PM

Gregosaurus: Mister Peejay: [www.japantimes.co.jp image 350x525]

WHAT THE FARK IS THAT

Not sure, but I've seen them wash up on Rialto Beach in Washington. Pretty sure it's vegetable...

I think this is the same stuff.

[i47.tinypic.com image 640x445]

So, too late, it was already here.


It's a form of Kelp. The large "seaweed" mass floats, while that thick hose looking part hangs down and attaches to the sea floor. Think of a really odd looking water Lilly. Some can be 10 - 15+ foot long. My brother and I used to get into whip fights with them as kids. Although being Oregonians, we would have had just as much fun blowing them up with firecrackers. They smell bad.
 
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