Sheriff's Maj. Bryan Woodie told Channel 2, "The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why."

It has nothing to do with the triggered condition to 'go into action', when that door springs open- after the handler has been outside the vehicle for a bit of time.

It's not like someone didn't spend months training that into 'dogface'.
I understand your confusion.

Enemabag Jones: FYI officer.com forums state that the emergency release is a call for help.

Scary.

"I'm gonna take a trained attack dog and stick a fuse up its butt that can be opened by radio static from anyone's keychain. If ya'll need me, I'll be on the thunder bucket."

newton: Sheriff's Maj. Bryan Woodie told Channel 2, "The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why."

It has nothing to do with the triggered condition to 'go into action', when that door springs open- after the handler has been outside the vehicle for a bit of time.

It's not like someone didn't spend months training that into 'dogface'.
I understand your confusion.

" i just don't unnerstand. We didn't train 'im for darkies. We wanted this one to go after Messicans! It just makes no sense how this could have happened!" is what the sheriff probably meant.

doglover,
Enemabag Jones: FYI officer.com forums state that the emergency release is a call for help.
Scary.
"I'm gonna take a trained attack dog and stick a fuse up its butt that can be opened by radio static from anyone's keychain. If ya'll need me, I'll be on the thunder bucket."

"The only thing I was thinking was to try to get away," he said.
Not assigning fault here, but probably the bad decision with any dog, really bad decision with a police dog.

/Tactical mistakes were made even it the source was not his farkup.

Enemabag Jones: "The only thing I was thinking was to try to get away," he said.

Yeah. This is truly not a good idea when the animal has been trained for countless hours to bring people DOWN to the ground and keep them there.

He probably wouldn't have gotten any torso bites if the dog just took him down in the parking lot and he lay there.

The officer probably smacked the button on their remote while pulling their pants up in the bathroom.

I wonder what would have happened had that guy had a pocket knife or something, and managed to get the upper hand and kill the dog.

abhorrent1: I wonder what would have happened had that guy had a pocket knife or something, and managed to get the upper hand and kill the dog.

You "wonder" what would have happened? Really?

doglover: Enemabag Jones: "The only thing I was thinking was to try to get away," he said.

Yeah. This is truly not a good idea when the animal has been trained for countless hours to bring people DOWN to the ground and keep them there.

He probably wouldn't have gotten any torso bites if the dog just took him down in the parking lot and he lay there.

I know that if a large dog is aggressively coming after me, my response will be to stop and let myself be attacked. If the dog is so poorly trained that it attacks random people without a direct command or without seeing its handler in danger, then it needs to be put down. Yes, it is likely the trainer's fault, but the dog is dangerous regardless.

markfara: abhorrent1: I wonder what would have happened had that guy had a pocket knife or something, and managed to get the upper hand and kill the dog.

You "wonder" what would have happened? Really?

Hopefully this:




Seriously, it's a cruel world. Sometimes two good people have to square off and kill one another for no other reason than "Life's a biatch." It's not fair, it's just how things are. So if you do kill a good dog or other animal with a knife and you respect them as a warrior and kindred spirit, eat their heart and absorb their power.*


*Science does not guarantee power beyond the caloric content of said heart. Offer void where prohibited. Maguas not included.

No one loves dogs more than me, but if one attacked me, I'd be forced to quickly dispatch it.

markfara: abhorrent1: I wonder what would have happened had that guy had a pocket knife or something, and managed to get the upper hand and kill the dog.

You "wonder" what would have happened? Really?

Yes really. Enlighten me since you seem to know.
Or what if someone with concealed carry was there and shot it. They don't know it's a police dog. Sure they have a badge on their collar but you're probably not gonna notice while it's trying to rip your arms off.

doglover: Harry_Seldon: Rabies?

In a police dog?

That's like a serious disease in a Marine on active duty. Possible, but extremely unlikely.


Enemabag Jones: Are you talking about dog psychological handing, eye contact, ect? The finer points they talk about on the dog whisperer?

No I'm talking about "random" animal attacks where people "Just wanted to pet the bear." or stuff like that. Maybe the training did go haywire. Maybe the door did pop open randomly. Or maybe the guy was poking around, gettin' the dog riled up, and somehow opened the door on himself.


I'm not saying you can't have freak dog attacks. I'm just saying it's not usually the case that dogs, indeed ANY animal, attack people randomly. The attackees almost always did something, even if they couldn't possibly have known what they were doing at the time.

So perhaps the dog is trained to bite when someone stands and reaches for a gun. And perhaps the victim, upon seeing the dog escape the car, stood and reached for his cell phone to let someone know the dog was loose. (Many human cops have mistaken the two with deadly results.) You could say he "did something" to trigger the attack, but that something, calling for help, was a reasonable action and fault still lies with the officer and dog.

doglover: Enemabag Jones: doglover,
No I'm talking about "random" animal attacks where people "Just wanted to pet the bear." or stuff like that. Maybe the training did go haywire. Maybe the door did pop open randomly. Or maybe the guy was poking around, gettin' the dog riled up, and somehow opened the door on himself.

In the article it says there is video. It appears the cop had to use the facilities and the attack itself is on video, hopefully something definite will show up.

I would like to see the whole thing.

Like I said, it's not impossible the guy was innocent of preventable antagonism. Probably was. But just because you don't know what's going on, or can't know, doesn't mean the attack was random. I always side with the animals first, then second, then inch towards the people, then back to the animals because animals didn't invent mustard gas or taxes.

Stop pretending people are not animals.

Enemabag Jones: Christian Bale,
Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.
Sheriff's Maj. Bryan Woodie told Channel 2, "The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why."
Video of the dog's training

I swear, a family member has an adopted dog that does not like latino men.

My shepherds don't like the UPS or FedEx guys, or anyone with a stick.
But then again I actually spend time on training daily.

I think the guy was taunting the dog, door opened, dog went after him.

gadian: Police dog training is usually pretty solid. They just don't attack without command or provocation. They just don't. Doesn't happen. They are working dogs, have a job to do, and do it as directed.

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doglover: Enemabag Jones: "The only thing I was thinking was to try to get away," he said.

Yeah. This is truly not a good idea when the animal has been trained for countless hours to bring people DOWN to the ground and keep them there.

He probably wouldn't have gotten any torso bites if the dog just took him down in the parking lot and he lay there.

I'll remember that next time I'm being mauled by a random dog at a Walmart. Oh wait I forgot the dog yelled police and flashed its badge.

I swear there must be a place that specializes in poorly trained police dogs. It just makes them mean and stupid and calls that a "K9 Unit". Back when I lived in Warren I had a dog jump out of its car and take a run at me. The cops had the window down so the dog could get air and didn't have any kind of screen covering the window. Dog jumps out and comes at me.

Actually he likely was coming at the pair of Alaskan malamutes I was walking. He ended up getting farked up by a pair of 100 pound sled dogs and hopefully learned his lesson.

Police dogs are trained to defend their master when the door pops. I know this because I was walking by a K9 police cruiser one day when the remote opener malfunctioned.

Luckily, the officer was right there so the dog didn't attack, though I did plaster my back against the side of the cruiser with my hands up just to be sure. The cop tried to put the dog back in the car, but the remote opener kept popping the door. In the end, the cop just kept the dog outside and called for another car while I took the opportunity to leave.

The doors also have a heat release so that a stupid/forgetful/abusive/whatever officer can't cook their dog in the summer sun.

doglover: Enemabag Jones: "The only thing I was thinking was to try to get away," he said.

Yeah. This is truly not a good idea when the animal has been trained for countless hours to bring people DOWN to the ground and keep them there.

He probably wouldn't have gotten any torso bites if the dog just took him down in the parking lot and he lay there.

Not true at all. You folks think these guys follow the correct procedures when handling their animals or that the animals are perfectly trained.

I have seen first hand official k9's chomping at the bit at people just walking by like trying to get out of their car and get someone. I spoke to the officer (i was working the event) and was told the luger (the german shepard) had bitten several officers. so here we have a dog in service who not only was overtly aggressive with the public but had also injured other officers and was still working

dogs are great, and most of the time they are cool. But to somehow make sweeping judgements that the victim provoked the dog, or that these dogs don't randomly attack is silly.

yes they get great training, but they are also exposed to lots of stress and violence. dogs get messed in the head too.

Hacker_X: Maybe he meant to be a troll and maybe he was or wasn't trying to be racist, but dogs ARE known to be racists.

Really?

MythDragon: The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why.

I know why

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the dog saw one of the 'attack' colors

/brown people problems

Londan Tan?

kindms: yes they get great training, but they are also exposed to lots of stress and violence. dogs get messed in the head too.

If this was true I would have scars from my overly violent dachshund all over my left hand from the numerous times I had to get things out of his mouth.

*extends right hand for inspection*

I don't see and scars, do you?

Wondering what I would do if I was in the victim's situation and had no weapon available. If the dog wouldn't let go I'm thinking I'd go for the dog's eyes. Try and blind it.

abhorrent1: markfara: abhorrent1: I wonder what would have happened had that guy had a pocket knife or something, and managed to get the upper hand and kill the dog.

You "wonder" what would have happened? Really?

Yes really. Enlighten me since you seem to know.
Or what if someone with concealed carry was there and shot it. They don't know it's a police dog. Sure they have a badge on their collar but you're probably not gonna notice while it's trying to rip your arms off.

Well, I don't "know," but I strongly suspect that whoever did the dog in would probably wind up on the sh*tty end of the stick. That's just sort of how these things work, in my observation.

And yes, I have actually seen things work this way.

Unsung_Hero: Police dogs are trained to defend their master when the door pops. I know this because I was walking by a K9 police cruiser one day when the remote opener malfunctioned.

Luckily, the officer was right there so the dog didn't attack, though I did plaster my back against the side of the cruiser with my hands up just to be sure. The cop tried to put the dog back in the car, but the remote opener kept popping the door. In the end, the cop just kept the dog outside and called for another car while I took the opportunity to leave.

The doors also have a heat release so that a stupid/forgetful/abusive/whatever officer can't cook their dog in the summer sun.

Sounds like a bad idea to use the a door opener as an attack command. I can see having door opener, yet train the dog to simply find the handler then attack only by command. Would it take too much thought to not have the dog pop out of the door attacking? This does sound like a training issue.

Alexia Ikyu: The officer probably smacked the button on their remote while pulling their pants up in the bathroom.

THIS, or he was fapping

So was the victim injured or what?

what I think happened:

cop gets out of the car and heads into the store, says "hi" to the 52 year-old greeter (elderly employees are known to work as greeters) and goes to the bathroom. All the dog sees is his master walking into a house like he does all day every day and say something to the person standing guard at the door. the car would probably be right by the store entrance since most big-box stores have reserved parking for police near the entrance to deal with shoplifters, etc. or the cop was parked in a handicapped spot because hell, why not. I also know that all Wal Marts have a bathroom up at the front of the store.

like it was suggested above, the cop could have hit the button pulling his pants up or if he was taking a dump when he dropped his pants one of the many things on his belt might have pushed the button. door pops open, dog attacks the only person who he saw interact with, owner realized he goof'd, makes up a story of "some kid playing with a garage door opener" or "someone unlocking their door"

and as for the dog biting a black man either the dog went for the only guy who talked to the owner on his way in, or the dog is used to biting a disproportionate amount of black people at crime scenes but that would imply black people commit more crimes and I'm not touching that subject because there are no black people in Canada

It's not the dog it is the owner

just like asshole kids have asshole parents

just found the video on the page, the cop can be seen coming out of the bathroom maybe 30 seconds after the guy was initially attacked so I can assume the cop was pulling his pants up and accidentally hit the btton

Marcus Aurelius: The 52-year-old Dieke, of Riverdale, told Channel 2 that the dog immediately attacked him, latching onto his arm

In Philly that's called "resisting arrest".

YES!

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If that article is right, there's video of the car area too, so no, the guy who was bit wasn't messing with the door.... it doesn't look like the coffee area was really close enough for him to be teasing the dog either.

ErinPac: Link

If that article is right, there's video of the car area too, so no, the guy who was bit wasn't messing with the door.... it doesn't look like the coffee area was really close enough for him to be teasing the dog either.

Odd... Link doesn't appear to work... looked fine in the preview...

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/06-07-2012/sheriff%E2%80%99s-k-9- do g-gets-loose-bites-walmart-worker

fnordfocus: profplump: No, no, no. When a dog attacks an innocent it's not a police officer -- that's only when someone fights back against the dog that's biting them. But the dog is still liable for its own actions, and its handler bears no responsibility, as it is a professional police dog. Which is handy, because as a dog it can't be sued, and as a service animal it's hard to have killed.

But if a civilian kills a Police Dog, even accidentally, it's charged as capital murder of an Officer.

Mind you, where I live, K9 Officers have killed two of their own dogs recently with no personal repercussions.

1/10
You made it too obvious in your first sentence when you added the word accidentally. Be more subtle.

ErinPac: ErinPac: Link

If that article is right, there's video of the car area too, so no, the guy who was bit wasn't messing with the door.... it doesn't look like the coffee area was really close enough for him to be teasing the dog either.

Odd... Link doesn't appear to work... looked fine in the preview...

http://www.thecitizen.com/articles/06-07-2012/sheriff%E2%80%99s-k-9- do g-gets-loose-bites-walmart-worker

LOL@Major Woodie. Guess Mr. Dieke won't be having too many more of those after the groin bite.

Considering how many, uniquely dressed, people of wal-mart the dog saw coming in and out...I'm surprised the dog didn't snap sooner.

kim jong-un doglover: Enemabag Jones: "The only thing I was thinking was to try to get away," he said.
Yeah. This is truly not a good idea when the animal has been trained for countless hours to bring people DOWN to the ground and keep them there.
He probably wouldn't have gotten any torso bites if the dog just took him down in the parking lot and he lay there.
I'll remember that next time I'm being mauled by a random dog at a Walmart. Oh wait I forgot the dog yelled police and flashed its badge.

That good for some officer's personal safety. Do you want dead LEO citizen? Now suck it up and maybe take this check. Allow yourself to be bit when a police dog is running at you and it won't hurt as bad when it is over. Now accept this check from the taxpayers.

TheHappyCanadian
just found the video on the page, the cop can be seen coming out of the bathroom maybe 30 seconds after the guy was initially attacked so I can assume the cop was pulling his pants up and accidentally hit the button

Wondering if this is a serious possibility and ass-covering is going on. Interference was from other devices was claimed. I bet if the Jones automated K9 door company had to fess up they make cheap door locks prone to interference they may not say 'oops, our bad.'

Rozotorical,
Stop pretending people are not animals.

I visualize people as animals all the time. A pack of wolfs, or a weasel you don't turn your back on.

No one has connected this to the trend yet?