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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Fun fact: The doors on a police K9 vehicle that keep the dog inside can be remotely opened by a kid playing around with a garage door opener and may result in a bite to the groin   (ajc.com) divider line 97
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2012-06-08 11:55:44 PM
The man should sue for unprovoked police brutality.
 
2012-06-09 12:16:56 AM
OW MY BALLS!
 
2012-06-09 12:21:48 AM
They'll put the dog down, right?
 
2012-06-09 01:24:40 AM
The 52-year-old Dieke, of Riverdale, told Channel 2 that the dog immediately attacked him, latching onto his arm

In Philly that's called "resisting arrest".
 
2012-06-09 01:28:45 AM
The victim's name is MANG???

No wonder the dog went apeshiat.
 
2012-06-09 02:19:56 AM
and it definitely needs to be a kid with the remote?
 
2012-06-09 03:00:20 AM

Apos: The man should sue for unprovoked police brutality.


The man will be arrested for brutally attacking a police officer. The dog chipped tooth in the incident.
 
2012-06-09 03:00:35 AM
FTHL:a kid playing around with a garage door opener

I can recall those carefree days of the late 70s... Up and down! Up and down.
 
2012-06-09 03:03:01 AM
Mandingo don't know the lingo?

/down boy
 
2012-06-09 03:05:55 AM
Oh, and FTA: Police dog mauls Wal-Mart worker

biatch hates non-union workers is all.
 
2012-06-09 03:07:14 AM
I'd check the door of the car for fingerprints all the same. Video showed the guy coming into the store with dog attached; is there footage from outside?
 
2012-06-09 03:08:18 AM
Police dogs are old news.

You should see police cats. They're vicious.
 
2012-06-09 03:10:44 AM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-06-09 03:12:02 AM
Funny how dogs prefer dark meat
 
2012-06-09 03:12:11 AM

farkityfarker: Police dogs are old news.

You should see police cats. They're vicious.


(chairmanmeow.jpg)
 
2012-06-09 03:17:52 AM

hbk72777: Funny how dogs prefer dark meat


LOLOLOLOLOL...

Racists are so witty.
 
2012-06-09 03:23:45 AM
I'd test the SUV for prints and give the "victim" the third degree with a hot lamp in the face for hours on end to find out what really happened on that side because I don't believe any animals that aren't rabid attack randomly. So that guy's obviously telling a half truth.

Then I'd brow beat seven kind of shiat out of the officer for leaving his dog in a car. You're a cop, fuggin' take your dog inside. What are they gonna tell you? No? fark that. Dogs aren't people. They don't know the law. What they do know is ON and OFF. If you're not by your dog, and puppy decides it's ON time then someone's getting bitten no matter what. Asshole!

That said... I still think the guy who got bit did SOMETHING.
 
2012-06-09 03:23:53 AM
Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.

Unless the dog is a dedicated drug dog, I don't know how police dogs are exactly trained, aren't police dogs trained to be aggressive on command?

Door pops open, my master needs help. Isn't that how these things are meant to work?
 
2012-06-09 03:26:15 AM

farkityfarker: hbk72777: Funny how dogs prefer dark meat

LOLOLOLOLOL...

Racists are so witty.


See, I took that to mean that "The Man" had trained the animal, due to his own racist motives, to strike at minoritys.

You blamed the dog.

Dude's a Volvo Troll.
 
2012-06-09 03:26:38 AM

Enemabag Jones: Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.

Unless the dog is a dedicated drug dog, I don't know how police dogs are exactly trained, aren't police dogs trained to be aggressive on command?

Door pops open, my master needs help. Isn't that how these things are meant to work?


Actually, I believe they're trained to attack on verbal command. Doors popping open is a bad trigger to put on an attack animal.

Imagine what would happen every single day you get done with your routine patrol. "Okay Rex, time to go home. *pop*AAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
 
2012-06-09 03:33:33 AM
Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.

Sheriff's Maj. Bryan Woodie told Channel 2, "The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why."



Video of the dog's training
 
2012-06-09 03:33:50 AM
doglover
Actually, I believe they're trained to attack on verbal command. Doors popping open is a bad trigger to put on an attack animal.
Imagine what would happen every single day you get done with your routine patrol. "Okay Rex, time to go home. *pop*AAAAAAAAAAAAA!"


I agree with the verbal command should be primary. However dogs know when they are home and when they are not home. I personally think the doors flew open without the officer being there and the dog knew something was 'wrong'. Something was not right, and the dog freaked out.

/Looks like the officer freaked out and should good to jail for assault.
 
2012-06-09 03:36:19 AM

libranoelrose: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x409]


Can I help you?
 
2012-06-09 03:36:52 AM
Christian Bale,
Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.
Sheriff's Maj. Bryan Woodie told Channel 2, "The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why."
Video of the dog's training


I swear, a family member has an adopted dog that does not like latino men.
 
2012-06-09 03:37:56 AM

Apos: The man should sue for unprovoked police brutality.


No, no, no. When a dog attacks an innocent it's not a police officer -- that's only when someone fights back against the dog that's biting them. But the dog is still liable for its own actions, and its handler bears no responsibility, as it is a professional police dog. Which is handy, because as a dog it can't be sued, and as a service animal it's hard to have killed.

/ Tasers are only deadly weapon when fired at a cop; when fired by a cop they are perfectly safe
 
2012-06-09 03:42:26 AM

Enemabag Jones: I agree with the verbal command should be primary. However dogs know when they are home and when they are not home. I personally think the doors flew open without the officer being there and the dog knew something was 'wrong'. Something was not right, and the dog freaked out.


I dunno.

I can't blame animals. Even attack animals are usually just there, ya know? They don't wanna attack random people. And doors just pop open? I wonder.

It's like that lady who lost an arm to polar bears. She was so sweet and innocent and only climbed over two fences and swam across a moat to be in danger.

You get attacked by a police dog and I am not on your side automatically. It's a dog. Animals are logical, unlike people. If you got attacked, you done goofed.

And again, that officer... I was not aware you were allowed to leave attack animals unattended. that is news to me. It requires pacing back and forth while yelling at subordinates to fully hash out how dumb that is. Imagine if your handgun was curious, prone to boredom, and able to load itself and and wander around town.
 
2012-06-09 03:44:48 AM
I am confident that police will do a thorough review and that the dog will be put on a 10 day paid suspension.
 
2012-06-09 03:46:56 AM

doglover: You get attacked by a police dog and I am not on your side automatically. It's a dog. Animals are logical, unlike people. If you got attacked, you done goofed.


So I assume you're always on-guard and ready to defend yourself against a trained attack animal that someone brought to your workplace. Or do you have some evidence that this guy did anything other than stand outside and get attacked?
 
2012-06-09 03:48:18 AM

Christian Bale: Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.

Sheriff's Maj. Bryan Woodie told Channel 2, "The dog obviously thought the victim was a threat of some sort. I don't know why."


Video of the dog's training


Kristy McNichol didnt make a lot of good decisions.
 
2012-06-09 03:51:47 AM
doglover,
You get attacked by a police dog and I am not on your side automatically. It's a dog. Animals are logical, unlike people. If you got attacked, you done goofed.


Are you suggesting what appears to be the wal-mart greeter was doing something to aggravate the dog in the SUV? Not saying it is impossible but don't see anything indicating that.

Right now all I can see is that the dog was accidentally conditioned to know that something is wrong when the door pops open without the police officer being right there in a strange location.

And it is logical to assume police dogs are trained to attack, and that training can go haywire.
 
2012-06-09 04:03:12 AM
My mother knows a woman who is married to a K-9 officer. The officer once parked next to another K-9 car at a gas station or store or something and accidentally tried to open the door to the wrong car on his way out. Other guy's dog didn't like that and bit him when he opened the door.

For all we know, the guy in the article simply walked by and the animal interpreted the guy's presence as a sign of an attack.
 
2012-06-09 04:03:41 AM

profplump: Or do you have some evidence that this guy did anything other than stand outside and get attacked?


I don't have much evidence. All I really have is the past 15-33.000 years of peaceful canine-human interaction. But aside from this trivial thing, I have nothing except a lifetime where I've never seen someone RANDOMLY attacked by an animal. I've seen people IGNORANT of the reasons they just got bitten, but never randomly.
 
2012-06-09 04:07:27 AM

doglover: profplump: Or do you have some evidence that this guy did anything other than stand outside and get attacked?

I don't have much evidence. All I really have is the past 15-33.000 years of peaceful canine-human interaction. But aside from this trivial thing, I have nothing except a lifetime where I've never seen someone RANDOMLY attacked by an animal. I've seen people IGNORANT of the reasons they just got bitten, but never randomly.


Rabies?
 
2012-06-09 04:11:14 AM
doglover ,
profplump: Or do you have some evidence that this guy did anything other than stand outside and get attacked?
I don't have much evidence. All I really have is the past 15-33.000 years of peaceful canine-human interaction. But aside from this trivial thing, I have nothing except a lifetime where I've never seen someone RANDOMLY attacked by an animal. I've seen people IGNORANT of the reasons they just got bitten, but never randomly.


Are you talking about dog psychological handing, eye contact, ect? The finer points they talk about on the dog whisperer?

I suppose you could give a police dog a stink eye too and regret it.

Have you ever worked with a police dog?
 
2012-06-09 04:18:46 AM

Harry_Seldon: Rabies?


In a police dog?

That's like a serious disease in a Marine on active duty. Possible, but extremely unlikely.


Enemabag Jones: Are you talking about dog psychological handing, eye contact, ect? The finer points they talk about on the dog whisperer?


No I'm talking about "random" animal attacks where people "Just wanted to pet the bear." or stuff like that. Maybe the training did go haywire. Maybe the door did pop open randomly. Or maybe the guy was poking around, gettin' the dog riled up, and somehow opened the door on himself.


I'm not saying you can't have freak dog attacks. I'm just saying it's not usually the case that dogs, indeed ANY animal, attack people randomly. The attackees almost always did something, even if they couldn't possibly have known what they were doing at the time.
 
2012-06-09 04:22:47 AM

Enemabag Jones: Fayette Sheriff's deputies were puzzled at the dog's behavior, saying it had 16 hours of training every month and had never shown aggression in public before.

Unless the dog is a dedicated drug dog, I don't know how police dogs are exactly trained, aren't police dogs trained to be aggressive on command?

Door pops open, my master needs help. Isn't that how these things are meant to work?


My thoughts exactly. They are trained that is it opens without the officer being there to attack the nearest person not in uniform, The main problem here is that why the hell is the car door infrared signal not encrypted?
 
2012-06-09 04:30:08 AM
doglover,
No I'm talking about "random" animal attacks where people "Just wanted to pet the bear." or stuff like that. Maybe the training did go haywire. Maybe the door did pop open randomly. Or maybe the guy was poking around, gettin' the dog riled up, and somehow opened the door on himself.


In the article it says there is video. It appears the cop had to use the facilities and the attack itself is on video, hopefully something definite will show up.
 
2012-06-09 04:31:59 AM
The guy that got bit is lucky he wasn't arrested for assaulting a police officer.
 
2012-06-09 04:33:23 AM

rdu_voyager: The guy that got bit is lucky he wasn't arrested for assaulting a police officer.


not to mention shot and/or tased for the privilege
 
2012-06-09 04:36:37 AM

Enemabag Jones: doglover,
No I'm talking about "random" animal attacks where people "Just wanted to pet the bear." or stuff like that. Maybe the training did go haywire. Maybe the door did pop open randomly. Or maybe the guy was poking around, gettin' the dog riled up, and somehow opened the door on himself.

In the article it says there is video. It appears the cop had to use the facilities and the attack itself is on video, hopefully something definite will show up.


I would like to see the whole thing.

Like I said, it's not impossible the guy was innocent of preventable antagonism. Probably was. But just because you don't know what's going on, or can't know, doesn't mean the attack was random. I always side with the animals first, then second, then inch towards the people, then back to the animals because animals didn't invent mustard gas or taxes.
 
2012-06-09 04:45:33 AM

TomD9938: farkityfarker: hbk72777: Funny how dogs prefer dark meat

LOLOLOLOLOL...

Racists are so witty.

See, I took that to mean that "The Man" had trained the animal, due to his own racist motives, to strike at minoritys.

You blamed the dog.

Dude's a Volvo Troll.


Maybe he meant to be a troll and maybe he was or wasn't trying to be racist, but dogs ARE known to be racists. That said, it has nothing to do with how people look and everything to do with how people smell. Dogs have incredibly sensitive noses and can tell different ethnic groups apart by scent. Basically if a dog only grows up around one particular ethnic group it may not like others because they smell different to it. It can manifest as anything from shying away from them to being quite hostile. I don't think it is consistent between species but I know it happens with Chihuahuas.
 
2012-06-09 04:47:14 AM

doglover:

I'm not saying you can't have freak dog attacks. I'm just saying it's not usually the case that dogs, indeed ANY animal, attack people randomly. The attackees almost always did something, even if they couldn't possibly have known what they were doing at the time.


This is a service animal. It gets special rights and privileges in our society due to the training it's received. Did the dog get loose and he tried to pet it? IT DOESN'T MATTER. The fact is that the dog needs to be retired from service immediately, because it is not capable of being a service animal.

Unless the guy literally assaulted the dog, (which he didn't, or you know the parking-lot surveillance footage would be on the news in a "look at that dumbass" kind of way), it simply doesn't matter what subtle or "unknown" thing may have provoked the dog.
 
2012-06-09 04:59:58 AM

Captain Wingo: Unless the guy literally assaulted the dog, (which he didn't, or you know the parking-lot surveillance footage would be on the news in a "look at that dumbass" kind of way)


Would it? I wonder.

I don't mind retiring the dog. If a police officer bit someone who didn't attack them, I'd seriously reconsider their employment. But I haven't seen the footage. What I have seen is a hundred incidents, including many at the end of my own arms, where the person injured by an animal was in the wrong or at least making a mistake that was unavoidable.

I would like to see the footage. Also the dog bit the fark outta that guy. You can claim it's not fit for service, but I mean COME ON! You don't stop deploying the model of jet that flies the fastest just because some crewman got himself sucked into intake. This incident show that the dog at least knows its job. Maybe ship to Detroit or something, but I'd say keep the dog and deploy new rules about using the public can for officers on duty.
 
2012-06-09 05:07:17 AM
Police dog training is usually pretty solid. They just don't attack without command or provocation. They just don't. Doesn't happen. They are working dogs, have a job to do, and do it as directed. The training doesn't just go haywire. Unless the PD is being slack and stupid in their training, of course. Always a possibility.
 
2012-06-09 05:07:43 AM
FYI officer.com forums state that the emergency release is a call for help.

Link

It looks like the police dog did was he was trained to do.

And it looks like the dog did appropiate thing if the training was ethical.

The door that could be opened through a garage door remote or car remote keychain device is another matter.
 
2012-06-09 05:28:07 AM
I work with K9's on a daily basis and have attended "Decoy School" where you learn the ins and outs of having dogs maul you, chew on you, etc.

For the most part, these dogs are as docile as any other dog unless they are sent by their handler to do something, or they perceive an immediate threat. I'm sure that the door popping open was something unusual for the dog. It went out to investigate, saw somebody it didn't recognize and began to evaluate the situation. If the victim's first reaction here was to run, he made a mistake; these dogs often trained to apprehend fleeing suspects. Without a handler present it may have defaulted into thinking it's handler was injured and it should go after whatever was fleeing.

Also, a lot can be said for body language. If the guy approached the dog quickly, was afraid and tried to scare it off or made a challenge to the dog, the dog would respond in an aggressive manner. That's pretty much the same with any dog, regardless of training.

Regarding leaving a K9 in a patrol vehicle, it happens all the time. It's not unusual for an officer to leave the K9 in the car if they had to do something like use a restroom. There really isn't a need to spook a bunch of folks in Wal-Mart just because the officer had to go to the bathroom. The dog should have been secure and safe in the vehicle. The door coming open, for whatever reason, was unfortunate. However, that does not mean that the dog is a "vicious attack dog with rabies" or anything of the sort. There is no need to retire the dog or remove it from service. There is, however, a need to fix the root cause which appears to be a failure of the locking mechanism, and per the article the department is already working on a fix for that.
 
2012-06-09 05:46:12 AM
Sue the PD.
Have the court order the dog destroyed as part of the settlement.
If it was Joe Citizen's dog you can be damn sure what the outcome would be.
 
2012-06-09 05:55:38 AM

macsenwledig: Sue the PD.
Have the court order the dog destroyed as part of the settlement.
If it was Joe Citizen's dog you can be damn sure what the outcome would be.


Yup. Came here to say that. Although it's not really fair because the dog just did what it was trained to do, and it won't happen because the police will argue about the time and money spent training it, but if it was "Joe Citizen" then none of that would matter, it'd be ordered put down.
 
2012-06-09 06:15:36 AM
The remote locks are for emergencies and the dog went into attack mode when the door popped open.
Anyone standing outside the door or along the path his master took could become a target.

macsenwledig: Have the court order the dog destroyed as part of the settlement.


Some of those dogs training costs as much as a luxury car and the dog only did what it was likely trained to do.
Since governments will always fail to see irony or hypocrisy, it would just be a waste.
 
2012-06-09 06:22:04 AM

weave: macsenwledig: Sue the PD.
Have the court order the dog destroyed as part of the settlement.
If it was Joe Citizen's dog you can be damn sure what the outcome would be.

Yup. Came here to say that. Although it's not really fair because the dog just did what it was trained to do, and it won't happen because the police will argue about the time and money spent training it, but if it was "Joe Citizen" then none of that would matter, it'd be ordered put down.


This is the reason k9 units should now be restricted to tracking and detection duties only, In this day of Tasers and Armed Police there is really no need for attack dogs in policing.
 
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